Oh so if it [E-1] and you vote, then your vote doesn't matter?Yhuan Debeste wrote: 5h2o60
it does, I just can't be last vote I thinkNotRaffi wrote: 171b11
does your vote not counts?Yhuan Debeste wrote: 5h2o60
I cannot hammer
this, is it just two specific person in one day, or is it randomized?Yhuan Debeste wrote: 5h2o60
two?NotRaffi wrote: 171b11
I have 2 people that i can't votepentaqola wrote: 576830
wait, you can't vote at all? or is it something like: vote once and you are permanently stuck with who you voted forNotRaffi wrote: 171b11
oh we can reveal roles now? I can do nothing but My voting is restricted
also what the fuck, thats gotta be the worst negative if you don't manage to get it out in timeShinRun wrote: 4p6j2
My negative is that I will die at the beginning of day 3
I don’t think it’s gonna affect me that much as I could just remove the role
You should out this now, just in case.NotRaffi wrote: 171b11
I have 2 people that i can't votepentaqola wrote: 576830
wait, you can't vote at all? or is it something like: vote once and you are permanently stuck with who you voted forNotRaffi wrote: 171b11
oh we can reveal roles now? I can do nothing but My voting is restricted
As a warning to everybody, this means that if ShinRun doesn't remove this and we remove town days 1 and 2 (with no stopped kills), we instantly lose.ShinRun wrote: 4p6j2
My negative is that I will die at the beginning of day 3
I don’t think it’s gonna affect me that much as I could just remove the role
Shin and YhuAmianki wrote: 4f234j
You should out this now, just in case.NotRaffi wrote: 171b11
I have 2 people that i can't votepentaqola wrote: 576830
wait, you can't vote at all? or is it something like: vote once and you are permanently stuck with who you voted forNotRaffi wrote: 171b11
oh we can reveal roles now? I can do nothing but My voting is restricted
i like this thought mainly because it delves into the negative role bambi has, however i can see some ways mafia can handle this setup.abraker wrote: 6cx2d
So this is an interesting thought
Penta scum offers balanced gameplay. Scum is killed, but as a double edged sword, town looses a role.
- Let's assume bambinex and penta are town
- Based on bambinex's role, if penta is nk'd then scum can do double the damage to town
- Damage 1: Penta, a town is nk'd. Damage 2: Town will be left with one less good role (bambinex's neg role)
- Therefore, scum should target penta
- However, this makes things way way too easy for scum and is quite unbalanced
- Because of this, it does not make sense for both penta and bambi to be town - one of them are scum
Bambi scum offers gameplay in favor of town. Scum is killed and nothing bad happens to town
So what be it hmmm...
It doesn't make sense for town to have negative roles that actually hurt town but scum not.pentaqola wrote: 576830
i think you are rightShinRun wrote: 4p6j2
I don’t think we should assume who is scum based on their negative role
we shouldn't assume who is scum just based off role either way
and we already lost multiple games due to this form of assumption
wait, are you saying that we could assume via negative roles only?abraker wrote: 6cx2d
It doesn't make sense for town to have negative roles that actually hurt town but scum not.pentaqola wrote: 576830
i think you are rightShinRun wrote: 4p6j2
I don’t think we should assume who is scum based on their negative role
we shouldn't assume who is scum just based off role either way
and we already lost multiple games due to this form of assumption
But I feel like if this is true, it would be too obviousabraker wrote: 6cx2d
It doesn't make sense for town to have negative roles that actually hurt town but scum not.pentaqola wrote: 576830
i think you are rightShinRun wrote: 4p6j2
I don’t think we should assume who is scum based on their negative role
we shouldn't assume who is scum just based off role either way
and we already lost multiple games due to this form of assumption
Well I dont expect igor to think everything throughShinRun wrote: 4p6j2
But I feel like if this is true, it would be too obviousabraker wrote: 6cx2d
It doesn't make sense for town to have negative roles that actually hurt town but scum not.pentaqola wrote: 576830
i think you are rightShinRun wrote: 4p6j2
I don’t think we should assume who is scum based on their negative role
we shouldn't assume who is scum just based off role either way
and we already lost multiple games due to this form of assumption
You can use your ability the moment you unlocks it. Nightkills will be the last thing resolving.samX500 wrote: 4e1z5d
@Igorsprite We spend our path point during the night, but when does it take effect? It's not clear from the rules what the priority of ability is during the night.
if i understood correctly, i will not PM a role that they don't have and i don't mind if someone say a role that i didn't PMAmianki wrote: 4f234j
@Mod: Is it public knowledge whether the mafia have fakeclaims or not, and if so, do they?
Since this would really mess their plan up if they were scumsamX500 wrote: 4e1z5d
how does that make them least scum?ShinRun wrote: 4p6j2
So if we’re assuming who’s scum based on their negative role, wouldn’t Cleveland and Amianki be the least scum since their role basically randomize the chance of them killing who they want to kill if they’re mafia
???ShinRun wrote: 4p6j2
Since this would really mess their plan up if they were scumsamX500 wrote: 4e1z5d
how does that make them least scum?ShinRun wrote: 4p6j2
So if we’re assuming who’s scum based on their negative role, wouldn’t Cleveland and Amianki be the least scum since their role basically randomize the chance of them killing who they want to kill if they’re mafia
If amianki is scum and can kill, he is basically blind then?abraker wrote: 6cx2d
???ShinRun wrote: 4p6j2
Since this would really mess their plan up if they were scumsamX500 wrote: 4e1z5d
how does that make them least scum?ShinRun wrote: 4p6j2
So if we’re assuming who’s scum based on their negative role, wouldn’t Cleveland and Amianki be the least scum since their role basically randomize the chance of them killing who they want to kill if they’re mafia
Amianki's role is bad for both sides but scum are extra fucked if the kill is randomized onto another scum
Well 50% chance that he would be blindNotRaffi wrote: 171b11
If amianki is scum and can kill, he is basically blind then?abraker wrote: 6cx2d
???ShinRun wrote: 4p6j2
Since this would really mess their plan up if they were scumsamX500 wrote: 4e1z5d
how does that make them least scum?ShinRun wrote: 4p6j2
So if we’re assuming who’s scum based on their negative role, wouldn’t Cleveland and Amianki be the least scum since their role basically randomize the chance of them killing who they want to kill if they’re mafia
Amianki's role is bad for both sides but scum are extra fucked if the kill is randomized onto another scum
Exactlyabraker wrote: 6cx2d
???ShinRun wrote: 4p6j2
Since this would really mess their plan up if they were scumsamX500 wrote: 4e1z5d
how does that make them least scum?ShinRun wrote: 4p6j2
So if we’re assuming who’s scum based on their negative role, wouldn’t Cleveland and Amianki be the least scum since their role basically randomize the chance of them killing who they want to kill if they’re mafia
Amianki's role is bad for both sides but scum are extra fucked if the kill is randomized onto another scum
i mean, why not. we are all new to this and since this is the first day, we can develop strategies and such for nowClevelandsMyBro wrote: 58np
kinda skeptical but hey i dont oppose something newabraker wrote: 6cx2d
Well since this is new territory let's decide whether we should judge neg roles like that.
I do agree with abraker. We need to that scum also have negative ability. If someone has a negative ability that is bad if they are scum, but that is good if they are town, then we can probably extrapolate that that person is a scum.abraker wrote: 6cx2d
Well since this is new territory let's decide whether we should judge neg roles like that.
Imo we should because certain roles may give a massive advantage to scum if that's true. I simply don't believe the game would be set up to skew in favor of scum that bad.
are you telling us that we should vote for bambinex?ShinRun wrote: 4p6j2
I still wouldn’t prefer to vote someone based on their negative ability
I feel like voting for those that are most inactive are better since you gain roles and ability over time
Kinda ig since unlike other games, we gain ability the more we play so those who barely talk are probably not gonna be any help during the first few days of the gamepentaqola wrote: 576830
are you telling us that we should vote for bambinex?ShinRun wrote: 4p6j2
I still wouldn’t prefer to vote someone based on their negative ability
I feel like voting for those that are most inactive are better since you gain roles and ability over time
if yes, damn i am betting he would get the yhuan curse real fast when we put him in other mafia games
NotRaffi wrote: 171b11
Prod skip
Don't have anything to say
Amianki wrote: 4f234j
Dodge
Sorry, too much on my mind lately
You two, thoughts on this?abraker wrote: 6cx2d
Well since this is new territory let's decide whether we should judge neg roles like that.
Imo we should because certain roles may give a massive advantage to scum if that's true. I simply don't believe the game would be set up to skew in favor of scum that bad.
pentaqola wrote: 576830
i think you are rightShinRun wrote: 4p6j2
I don’t think we should assume who is scum based on their negative role
we shouldn't assume who is scum just based off role either way
and we already lost multiple games due to this form of assumption
This kind of indecisiveness is what will fuck us uppentaqola wrote: 576830
i mean, why not. we are all new to this and since this is the first day, we can develop strategies and such for nowClevelandsMyBro wrote: 58np
kinda skeptical but hey i dont oppose something newabraker wrote: 6cx2d
Well since this is new territory let's decide whether we should judge neg roles like that.
I don't think we should do that because well that doesn't mean anything, like maybe igor just gave the negs randomly hence a townie could have a neg that is bad for scum, but the problem is that we don't know how igor has given the roles, so at least for now we shouldn't take them inabraker wrote: 6cx2d
Well since this is new territory let's decide whether we should judge neg roles like that.
Imo we should because certain roles may give a massive advantage to scum if that's true. I simply don't believe the game would be set up to skew in favor of scum that bad.
I think it's mostly meaningless since we know very little about the setup currently. It's very hard to tell whether any of this is even relevant to alignment until we can be reasonably sure whether they tie into our abilities or not.abraker wrote: 6cx2d
NotRaffi wrote: 171b11
Prod skip
Don't have anything to sayAmianki wrote: 4f234j
Dodge
Sorry, too much on my mind latelyYou two, thoughts on this?abraker wrote: 6cx2d
Well since this is new territory let's decide whether we should judge neg roles like that.
Imo we should because certain roles may give a massive advantage to scum if that's true. I simply don't believe the game would be set up to skew in favor of scum that bad.
If you are right, then this worries meAmianki wrote: 4f234j
The fact that scum apparently don't have fake claims either indicates that there isn't much correlation between our negatives and alignment or that there isn't enough forethought put into each role as a whole to make it cohesive (which can be checked by what abilities everyone has available to them)
abraker wrote: 6cx2d
So this is an interesting thought
Penta scum offers balanced gameplay. Scum is killed, but as a double edged sword, town looses a role.
- Let's assume bambinex and penta are town
- Based on bambinex's role, if penta is nk'd then scum can do double the damage to town
- Damage 1: Penta, a town is nk'd. Damage 2: Town will be left with one less good role (bambinex's neg role)
- Therefore, scum should target penta
- However, this makes things way way too easy for scum and is quite unbalanced
- Because of this, it does not make sense for both penta and bambi to be town - one of them are scum
Bambi scum offers gameplay in favor of town. Scum is killed and nothing bad happens to town
So what be it hmmm...
i'm sorry for being indecisive, this is mostly my fault for trying to get into what you are going for because you prefer that way.abraker wrote: 6cx2d
pentaqola wrote: 576830
i think you are rightShinRun wrote: 4p6j2
I don’t think we should assume who is scum based on their negative role
we shouldn't assume who is scum just based off role either way
and we already lost multiple games due to this form of assumptionpentaqola wrote: 576830
i mean, why not. we are all new to this and since this is the first day, we can develop strategies and such for nowClevelandsMyBro wrote: 58np
kinda skeptical but hey i dont oppose something newabraker wrote: 6cx2d
Well since this is new territory let's decide whether we should judge neg roles like that.
This kind of indecisiveness is what will fuck us up
if you are going for the assumption that one night proves my side then this is extremely faulty.abraker wrote: 6cx2d
I guess we will wait for D2 to know what to do with penta. What will happen is either
- town spares penta, he dies at night, flips town
- town spares penta, doesn't die at night cause he is scum
I think we should at least wait for day 2 before voting pentaqola, so I can get rid of my neg and then we can kill a scum without town losing a role, but voting me right now just doesn't make any sense, all you will do is lose a townieabraker wrote: 6cx2d
Penta scum offers balanced gameplay. Scum is killed, but as a double edged sword, town looses a role.
Bambi scum offers gameplay in favor of town. Scum is killed and nothing bad happens to town
that's still with the assumption that there's one scum between the both of you which I personally won't be too sure about given how fucked setups can bebambinex wrote: 4c1o3r
Mainly because of this tbh
I think we should at least wait for day 2 before voting pentaqola, so I can get rid of my neg and then we can kill a scum without town losing a role, but voting me right now just doesn't make any sense, all you will do is lose a townieabraker wrote: 6cx2d
Penta scum offers balanced gameplay. Scum is killed, but as a double edged sword, town looses a role.
Bambi scum offers gameplay in favor of town. Scum is killed and nothing bad happens to town
If there's not one scum between us that mean we're both town so we're even more fucked because everyone's going to vote penta at day 2 hence we lose 2 towniesYhuan Debeste wrote: 5h2o60
that's still with the assumption that there's one scum between the both of you which I personally won't be too sure about given how fucked setups can bebambinex wrote: 4c1o3r
Mainly because of this tbh
I think we should at least wait for day 2 before voting pentaqola, so I can get rid of my neg and then we can kill a scum without town losing a role, but voting me right now just doesn't make any sense, all you will do is lose a townieabraker wrote: 6cx2d
Penta scum offers balanced gameplay. Scum is killed, but as a double edged sword, town looses a role.
Bambi scum offers gameplay in favor of town. Scum is killed and nothing bad happens to town
this could have made sense if it wasn't again for the unpredictability and to me, all roles affect the side the it is from no matter what as well.bambinex wrote: 4c1o3r
Mainly because of this tbh
I think we should at least wait for day 2 before voting pentaqola, so I can get rid of my neg and then we can kill a scum without town losing a role, but voting me right now just doesn't make any sense, all you will do is lose a townieabraker wrote: 6cx2d
Penta scum offers balanced gameplay. Scum is killed, but as a double edged sword, town looses a role.
Bambi scum offers gameplay in favor of town. Scum is killed and nothing bad happens to town
ok but voting for me is like pretty bad + we don't know if shin is a townie so we are possibly helping a scum by doing thatpentaqola wrote: 576830
its okay, i explained it a bit in the post above mebambinex wrote: 4c1o3r
@penta sorry but I actually don't get your reasoning behind voting me
just something about path points, cuz take note, town needs those and shin really needs his neg removed asap