aight, listing down the negative roles here


just doing this for future reference here, it might come in handy in ing the neg roles

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

So this is an interesting thought

1. Let's assume bambinex and penta are town
2. Based on bambinex's role, if penta is nk'd then scum can do double the damage to town
3. Damage 1: Penta, a town is nk'd. Damage 2: Town will be left with one less good role (bambinex's neg role)
4. Therefore, scum should target penta
5. However, this makes things way way too easy for scum and is quite unbalanced
6. Because of this, it does not make sense for both penta and bambi to be town - one of them are scum

Penta scum offers balanced gameplay. Scum is killed, but as a double edged sword, town looses a role.
Bambi scum offers gameplay in favor of town. Scum is killed and nothing bad happens to town

So what be it hmmm...

i like this thought mainly because it delves into the negative role bambi has, however i can see some ways mafia can handle this setup.

if for example penta = town and bambi = scum, mafia can plan on keeping me alive until n2 or n3, or maybe until they see me as useless. this might favor town at first, but if kept for long it can cause some problems

if it is the other way around, they have the choice of voting me off in a specific day before bambi gets better roles. practically sacrificing me to cause problems to town. if they do sacrifice me, chances are its because my role for them is absolutely terrible and useless for what i have gotten blindly

if however this ends up being town + town for the two of us, I'll probably be dead at the next day, if not then i really wish that a town investigative role checks on this

i think the bambi scum, penta town thing can be balanced by rng by the way.

if i get a shitty and useless role and path (since i literally don't know what i am gonna pick), i can become a problem for town despite being town. this will be helpful for mafia as they have one less problem to deal with, if i ever become a problem in the first place

I don’t think we should assume who is scum based on their negative role

yeah I'm pretty sure role =/= allignment

ShinRun wrote: 4p6j2

I don’t think we should assume who is scum based on their negative role

i think you are right

we shouldn't assume who is scum just based off role either way

and we already lost multiple games due to this form of assumption

pentaqola wrote: 576830

ShinRun wrote: 4p6j2

I don’t think we should assume who is scum based on their negative role

i think you are right

we shouldn't assume who is scum just based off role either way

and we already lost multiple games due to this form of assumption

It doesn't make sense for town to have negative roles that actually hurt town but scum not.

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

pentaqola wrote: 576830

ShinRun wrote: 4p6j2

I don’t think we should assume who is scum based on their negative role

i think you are right

we shouldn't assume who is scum just based off role either way

and we already lost multiple games due to this form of assumption

It doesn't make sense for town to have negative roles that actually hurt town but scum not.

wait, are you saying that we could assume via negative roles only?

@Mod: Is it public knowledge whether the mafia have fakeclaims or not, and if so, do they?

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

pentaqola wrote: 576830

ShinRun wrote: 4p6j2

I don’t think we should assume who is scum based on their negative role

i think you are right

we shouldn't assume who is scum just based off role either way

and we already lost multiple games due to this form of assumption

It doesn't make sense for town to have negative roles that actually hurt town but scum not.

But I feel like if this is true, it would be too obvious

ShinRun wrote: 4p6j2

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

pentaqola wrote: 576830

ShinRun wrote: 4p6j2

I don’t think we should assume who is scum based on their negative role

i think you are right

we shouldn't assume who is scum just based off role either way

and we already lost multiple games due to this form of assumption

It doesn't make sense for town to have negative roles that actually hurt town but scum not.

But I feel like if this is true, it would be too obvious

Well I dont expect igor to think everything through

Judging by how you guys play these games most of you don't seem to look deeper than what happens on surface

I'm assuming we want everyone to reveal their negatives then?

Yhuan Debeste wrote: 5h2o60

I'm assuming we want everyone to reveal their negatives then?

Didn’t everyone already reveal their negative role tho

did they? I lost count

I counted 6

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

based on the red names, those are the ones you feel like has the possibility to be scum

yes?

or are they because they are rooted to another person's role?

pentaqola wrote: 576830

or are they because they are rooted to another person's role?

as i see it, the red names are related to another person's role

also any benefits or drawbacks for not voting?

samX500 wrote: 4e1z5d

@Igorsprite We spend our path point during the night, but when does it take effect? It's not clear from the rules what the priority of ability is during the night.

You can use your ability the moment you unlocks it. Nightkills will be the last thing resolving.

Amianki wrote: 4f234j

@Mod: Is it public knowledge whether the mafia have fakeclaims or not, and if so, do they?

if i understood correctly, i will not PM a role that they don't have and i don't mind if someone say a role that i didn't PM

Wait how long is prod time?

pentaqola wrote: 576830

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

based on the red names, those are the ones you feel like has the possibility to be scum

pentaqola wrote: 576830

or are they because they are rooted to another person's role?

rooted to another person's role

So if we’re assuming who’s scum based on their negative role, wouldn’t Cleveland and Amianki be the least scum since their role basically randomize the chance of them killing who they want to kill if they’re mafia

ShinRun wrote: 4p6j2

So if we’re assuming who’s scum based on their negative role, wouldn’t Cleveland and Amianki be the least scum since their role basically randomize the chance of them killing who they want to kill if they’re mafia

how does that make them least scum?

samX500 wrote: 4e1z5d

ShinRun wrote: 4p6j2

So if we’re assuming who’s scum based on their negative role, wouldn’t Cleveland and Amianki be the least scum since their role basically randomize the chance of them killing who they want to kill if they’re mafia

how does that make them least scum?

Since this would really mess their plan up if they were scum

ShinRun wrote: 4p6j2

samX500 wrote: 4e1z5d

ShinRun wrote: 4p6j2

So if we’re assuming who’s scum based on their negative role, wouldn’t Cleveland and Amianki be the least scum since their role basically randomize the chance of them killing who they want to kill if they’re mafia

how does that make them least scum?

Since this would really mess their plan up if they were scum

???

Amianki's role is bad for both sides but scum are extra fucked if the kill is randomized onto another scum

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

ShinRun wrote: 4p6j2

samX500 wrote: 4e1z5d

ShinRun wrote: 4p6j2

So if we’re assuming who’s scum based on their negative role, wouldn’t Cleveland and Amianki be the least scum since their role basically randomize the chance of them killing who they want to kill if they’re mafia

how does that make them least scum?

Since this would really mess their plan up if they were scum

???

Amianki's role is bad for both sides but scum are extra fucked if the kill is randomized onto another scum

If amianki is scum and can kill, he is basically blind then?

NotRaffi wrote: 171b11

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

ShinRun wrote: 4p6j2

samX500 wrote: 4e1z5d

ShinRun wrote: 4p6j2

So if we’re assuming who’s scum based on their negative role, wouldn’t Cleveland and Amianki be the least scum since their role basically randomize the chance of them killing who they want to kill if they’re mafia

how does that make them least scum?

Since this would really mess their plan up if they were scum

???

Amianki's role is bad for both sides but scum are extra fucked if the kill is randomized onto another scum

If amianki is scum and can kill, he is basically blind then?

Well 50% chance that he would be blind

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

ShinRun wrote: 4p6j2

samX500 wrote: 4e1z5d

ShinRun wrote: 4p6j2

So if we’re assuming who’s scum based on their negative role, wouldn’t Cleveland and Amianki be the least scum since their role basically randomize the chance of them killing who they want to kill if they’re mafia

how does that make them least scum?

Since this would really mess their plan up if they were scum

???

Amianki's role is bad for both sides but scum are extra fucked if the kill is randomized onto another scum

Exactly

Exactly

That’s why I’m saying they’re have the least scum negative role

Also I’m not here to debate whether someone is scum based on their role but instead I’m saying that judging who’s scum based on their role is a terrible idea

The negative role literally do nothing if we use our points to remove them so why are we even arguing about it


On an unrelated note, do we only learn points by voting someone

Realized I wrote “exactly twice”

Well since this is new territory let's decide whether we should judge neg roles like that.

Imo we should because certain roles may give a massive advantage to scum if that's true. I simply don't believe the game would be set up to skew in favor of scum that bad.

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Well since this is new territory let's decide whether we should judge neg roles like that.

kinda skeptical but hey i dont oppose something new

prod dodge

Prod skip
Don't have anything to say

Prod skip

i'm rather blank too other than

ClevelandsMyBro wrote: 58np

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Well since this is new territory let's decide whether we should judge neg roles like that.

kinda skeptical but hey i dont oppose something new

i mean, why not. we are all new to this and since this is the first day, we can develop strategies and such for now

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Well since this is new territory let's decide whether we should judge neg roles like that.

Imo we should because certain roles may give a massive advantage to scum if that's true. I simply don't believe the game would be set up to skew in favor of scum that bad.

I do agree with abraker. We need to that scum also have negative ability. If someone has a negative ability that is bad if they are scum, but that is good if they are town, then we can probably extrapolate that that person is a scum.

Let's say I am not lying about my ability (If eliminated via town vote, skip next day phase). If I am scum, this is 100% a positive ability for me to have. So I wouldn't have that as a negative ability if I am scum.

I still wouldn’t prefer to vote someone based on their negative ability

I feel like voting for those that are most inactive are better since you gain roles and ability over time

ShinRun wrote: 4p6j2

I still wouldn’t prefer to vote someone based on their negative ability

I feel like voting for those that are most inactive are better since you gain roles and ability over time

are you telling us that we should vote for bambinex?

if yes, damn i am betting he would get the yhuan curse real fast when we put him in other mafia games

pentaqola wrote: 576830

ShinRun wrote: 4p6j2

I still wouldn’t prefer to vote someone based on their negative ability

I feel like voting for those that are most inactive are better since you gain roles and ability over time

are you telling us that we should vote for bambinex?

if yes, damn i am betting he would get the yhuan curse real fast when we put him in other mafia games

Kinda ig since unlike other games, we gain ability the more we play so those who barely talk are probably not gonna be any help during the first few days of the game

Also it’s not like they have any useful ability right now so there isn’t really backlash for voting them off

Dodge

Sorry, too much on my mind lately

NotRaffi wrote: 171b11

Prod skip
Don't have anything to say

Amianki wrote: 4f234j

Dodge

Sorry, too much on my mind lately

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Well since this is new territory let's decide whether we should judge neg roles like that.

Imo we should because certain roles may give a massive advantage to scum if that's true. I simply don't believe the game would be set up to skew in favor of scum that bad.

You two, thoughts on this?

pentaqola wrote: 576830

ShinRun wrote: 4p6j2

I don’t think we should assume who is scum based on their negative role

i think you are right

we shouldn't assume who is scum just based off role either way

and we already lost multiple games due to this form of assumption

pentaqola wrote: 576830

ClevelandsMyBro wrote: 58np

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Well since this is new territory let's decide whether we should judge neg roles like that.

kinda skeptical but hey i dont oppose something new

i mean, why not. we are all new to this and since this is the first day, we can develop strategies and such for now

This kind of indecisiveness is what will fuck us up

Ngl Penta seems all over the place

replacement dodge

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Well since this is new territory let's decide whether we should judge neg roles like that.

Imo we should because certain roles may give a massive advantage to scum if that's true. I simply don't believe the game would be set up to skew in favor of scum that bad.

I don't think we should do that because well that doesn't mean anything, like maybe igor just gave the negs randomly hence a townie could have a neg that is bad for scum, but the problem is that we don't know how igor has given the roles, so at least for now we shouldn't take them in

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

NotRaffi wrote: 171b11

Prod skip
Don't have anything to say

Amianki wrote: 4f234j

Dodge

Sorry, too much on my mind lately

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Well since this is new territory let's decide whether we should judge neg roles like that.

Imo we should because certain roles may give a massive advantage to scum if that's true. I simply don't believe the game would be set up to skew in favor of scum that bad.

You two, thoughts on this?

I think it's mostly meaningless since we know very little about the setup currently. It's very hard to tell whether any of this is even relevant to alignment until we can be reasonably sure whether they tie into our abilities or not.

The fact that scum apparently don't have fake claims either indicates that there isn't much correlation between our negatives and alignment or that there isn't enough forethought put into each role as a whole to make it cohesive (which can be checked by what abilities everyone has available to them)

Amianki wrote: 4f234j

The fact that scum apparently don't have fake claims either indicates that there isn't much correlation between our negatives and alignment or that there isn't enough forethought put into each role as a whole to make it cohesive (which can be checked by what abilities everyone has available to them)

If you are right, then this worries me

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

So this is an interesting thought

1. Let's assume bambinex and penta are town
2. Based on bambinex's role, if penta is nk'd then scum can do double the damage to town
3. Damage 1: Penta, a town is nk'd. Damage 2: Town will be left with one less good role (bambinex's neg role)
4. Therefore, scum should target penta
5. However, this makes things way way too easy for scum and is quite unbalanced
6. Because of this, it does not make sense for both penta and bambi to be town - one of them are scum

Penta scum offers balanced gameplay. Scum is killed, but as a double edged sword, town looses a role.
Bambi scum offers gameplay in favor of town. Scum is killed and nothing bad happens to town

So what be it hmmm...

If both bambinex and penta are town, then town as a whole is already at a disadvantage. I'd rather believe that one of them are scum rather than believe that gameplay is unbalanced

I guess we will wait for D2 to know what to do with penta. What will happen is either

- town spares penta, he dies at night, flips town
- town spares penta, doesn't die at night cause he is scum

shouldn't*

sorry I don't read my messages again before posting them so expect dumb typing errors like this one to appear quite often

This kind of thing is exactly why I say we need to be planning who is on wagons ahead of time

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

pentaqola wrote: 576830

ShinRun wrote: 4p6j2

I don’t think we should assume who is scum based on their negative role

i think you are right

we shouldn't assume who is scum just based off role either way

and we already lost multiple games due to this form of assumption

pentaqola wrote: 576830

ClevelandsMyBro wrote: 58np

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Well since this is new territory let's decide whether we should judge neg roles like that.

kinda skeptical but hey i dont oppose something new

i mean, why not. we are all new to this and since this is the first day, we can develop strategies and such for now

This kind of indecisiveness is what will fuck us up

i'm sorry for being indecisive, this is mostly my fault for trying to get into what you are going for because you prefer that way.

the reason i did this is just to see what can be done with assuming via negative roles. i should have just questioned, but i wanna see whats about it fully cuz in reality i see every role as negative no matter the side. also, this is the first day, and if someone gets a role thats good but their negative role literally hinders that. it literally doesn't matter that side it is, it's just bad.

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

I guess we will wait for D2 to know what to do with penta. What will happen is either

- town spares penta, he dies at night, flips town
- town spares penta, doesn't die at night cause he is scum

if you are going for the assumption that one night proves my side then this is extremely faulty.

you literally gave out the thought that: what if bambi is scum and penta is town; you know that they'll keep me alive if bambi is scum, and for some reason would rather vote me out than vote bambi out

this is also why i don't get the negative role assumption, you gave multiple and somehow went for that because "balancing". i am already disliking this idea just because of it's nature of disregarding possibilities in favor of "if negative role does this then that person must be scum" because anyone from the list can be from any side and it will still fuck things up regardless

in fact, i would rather go with what shin said. vote out bambi, and if he ends up town then vote me out if you really want to.

and if you somehow think i want to vote out bambi for an advantage because i somehow am scum to you, why would i want to be voted out the next day if i am wrong? this would become a massive disadvantage for scum if i was scum

and honestly, i'll be alright in becoming path points instead of just being nightkilled at n3

My scum reads:

Yhuan
Bambi

I get bamb but kinda confused to how Yhuan got there

ShinRun wrote: 4p6j2

I get bamb but kinda confused to how Yhuan got there

yhuan's activity is below what is called a "town healthy" behavior. You ought tell them to start dancing or town vultures will come vote them to pieces.

so voting bambi would be safest option no?

wait why is everyone wanting to vote for me now ? Because reading at all the messages again this literally doesn't make any sense
@abraker you proved long ago that, based on the negs, pentaqola is more likely to be scum than me, and now all of a sudden I'm on your scum reads like wtf

@penta sorry but I actually don't get your reasoning behind voting me

Mainly because of this tbh

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Penta scum offers balanced gameplay. Scum is killed, but as a double edged sword, town looses a role.
Bambi scum offers gameplay in favor of town. Scum is killed and nothing bad happens to town

I think we should at least wait for day 2 before voting pentaqola, so I can get rid of my neg and then we can kill a scum without town losing a role, but voting me right now just doesn't make any sense, all you will do is lose a townie

bambinex wrote: 4c1o3r

Mainly because of this tbh

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Penta scum offers balanced gameplay. Scum is killed, but as a double edged sword, town looses a role.
Bambi scum offers gameplay in favor of town. Scum is killed and nothing bad happens to town

I think we should at least wait for day 2 before voting pentaqola, so I can get rid of my neg and then we can kill a scum without town losing a role, but voting me right now just doesn't make any sense, all you will do is lose a townie

that's still with the assumption that there's one scum between the both of you which I personally won't be too sure about given how fucked setups can be

Yhuan Debeste wrote: 5h2o60

bambinex wrote: 4c1o3r

Mainly because of this tbh

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Penta scum offers balanced gameplay. Scum is killed, but as a double edged sword, town looses a role.
Bambi scum offers gameplay in favor of town. Scum is killed and nothing bad happens to town

I think we should at least wait for day 2 before voting pentaqola, so I can get rid of my neg and then we can kill a scum without town losing a role, but voting me right now just doesn't make any sense, all you will do is lose a townie

that's still with the assumption that there's one scum between the both of you which I personally won't be too sure about given how fucked setups can be

If there's not one scum between us that mean we're both town so we're even more fucked because everyone's going to vote penta at day 2 hence we lose 2 townies

Voting either me or pentaqola right now is just a bad idea

i think our biggest danger right now isn't even the negative roles, its the unpredictability of what side is handling the roles.

i am town, nothing else. if bambi is not lying that they are town, we are fucked no matter what

bambinex wrote: 4c1o3r

Mainly because of this tbh

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Penta scum offers balanced gameplay. Scum is killed, but as a double edged sword, town looses a role.
Bambi scum offers gameplay in favor of town. Scum is killed and nothing bad happens to town

I think we should at least wait for day 2 before voting pentaqola, so I can get rid of my neg and then we can kill a scum without town losing a role, but voting me right now just doesn't make any sense, all you will do is lose a townie

this could have made sense if it wasn't again for the unpredictability and to me, all roles affect the side the it is from no matter what as well.

with the addition of path points which are obtainable by voting someone off, i thought it would have made sense to do what shin said. heck we both are being looked into just because of our neg roles for whatever reason, so why not include me being at d2 in case you aren't scum

bambinex wrote: 4c1o3r

@penta sorry but I actually don't get your reasoning behind voting me

its okay, i explained it a bit in the post above me

just something about path points, cuz take note, town needs those and shin really needs his neg removed asap

pentaqola wrote: 576830

bambinex wrote: 4c1o3r

@penta sorry but I actually don't get your reasoning behind voting me

its okay, i explained it a bit in the post above me

just something about path points, cuz take note, town needs those and shin really needs his neg removed asap

ok but voting for me is like pretty bad + we don't know if shin is a townie so we are possibly helping a scum by doing that

Bro i skipped prod what the hell man smh

So are we voting the most not-that-bad role?

NotRaffi wrote: 171b11

So are we voting the most not-that-bad role?

for the townies, yes. so now we're figuring out which one has the worst role of the bunch.

Shin, penta, ami, and bambi all suck dude

no wait i kinda suck at wording.

pretty much try figuring out who gives the least amount of damage for towns if we were to eliminate what we presume are the scums, what are the consequences if we were to, etc.

if we were to vote penta out, then bambi would just lose his role because then it's pretty much useless no?
if we vote bambi, then penta would just gets free role and path

i hope i'm getting this correctly

ClevelandsMyBro wrote: 58np

if we were to vote penta out, then bambi would just lose his role because then it's pretty much useless no?
if we vote bambi, then penta would just gets free role and path

i hope i'm getting this correctly

Penta can't see her path and roles even if die, so it's more like:

if we were to vote penta out, then bambi would just lose his role because then it's pretty much useless no?
if we vote bambi, then literally nothing would happen and penta would die because she pushed to vote for me so town loses 2 townies

I don't understand how people think voting either me or pentaqola right now is a good idea

Ok

prod dodge.

I am a bit busy with school so I can't pay much attention right now.

I guess I can also V/LA until next monday.

bambinex wrote: 4c1o3r

wait why is everyone wanting to vote for me now ? Because reading at all the messages again this literally doesn't make any sense
@abraker you proved long ago that, based on the negs, pentaqola is more likely to be scum than me, and now all of a sudden I'm on your scum reads like wtf

Wait so you are saying I should judge who is scum by neg roles?

community/forums/posts/8344050 hmmmm

For someone who is against using neg role to judge scum I'd expect the response to be something along the lines of "uhh what? role != alignment didn't you get the message?". Instead what I am seeing is panicked finger pointing, "but but you said penta's neg role make h-him more scum then mine, why me?". So making up excuses to save your own skin are we now? The best part is that you would loose ability to get a role if penta is killed. So what this tells me is that this is not just panicked finger pointing, but brain dead panicked finger pointing.

Scum would attempt to save their skin even if it means they will not get a role due to their neg. Town would attempt to save themselves without desperately trying to make scum of someone else. You've just made yourself.

Bamb kinda shot himself in the foot here ay

bambinex wrote: 4c1o3r

pentaqola wrote: 576830

bambinex wrote: 4c1o3r

@penta sorry but I actually don't get your reasoning behind voting me

its okay, i explained it a bit in the post above me

just something about path points, cuz take note, town needs those and shin really needs his neg removed asap

ok but voting for me is like pretty bad + we don't know if shin is a townie so we are possibly helping a scum by doing that

it still doesn't dismiss the fact other towns do need points too, not just shin. town getting neg roles removed is very helpful and can stop some problems that they have in their way. like amianki's randomized night action, if removed then this would prevent that 50/50 chance of doing something completely different and mes town's plan from happening.

or even cleve's 50/50 chance of failing to do a night action.

hell, town would also gain roles from this process if they dont wanna get their neg roles removed yet. if town gets some good roles like investigative roles, doctor roles, and some more potentially good ones, this would be beneficial for town.

the examples are going from the assumption that they are town btw, i do not know if they are town, i don't have any idea on what side they could be in, and i just want to give examples of how it could help town in case they are town, you can also look at the other roles and see that if they are town then it would majorly help town if those roles disappear.

and yeah, i can agree with abraker on here, you seem to be panicking. you good bro?

ClevelandsMyBro wrote: 58np

if we were to vote penta out, then bambi would just lose his role because then it's pretty much useless no?
if we vote bambi, then penta would just gets free role and path

i hope i'm getting this correctly

also, i will still be blind. yes i can get points for role and path, but i wouldn't know what i will get.

also, sorry for the wording on the first sentence if it seems like i still believe shin is town. he is in a grey line to me too.

i'm still saying that it doesn't dismiss the fact that townies still need points

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

For someone who is against using neg role to judge scum I'd expect the response to be something along the lines of "uhh what? role != alignment didn't you get the message?". Instead what I am seeing is panicked finger pointing, "but but you said penta's neg role make h-him more scum then mine, why me?". So making up excuses to save your own skin are we now? The best part is that you would loose ability to get a role if penta is killed. So what this tells me is that this is not just panicked finger pointing, but brain dead panicked finger pointing.

bambinex wrote: 4c1o3r

Penta can't see her path and roles even if die, so it's more like:

if we were to vote penta out, then bambi would just lose his role because then it's pretty much useless no?
if we vote bambi, then literally nothing would happen and penta would die because she pushed to vote for me so town loses 2 townies

I don't understand how people think voting either me or pentaqola right now is a good idea

How in the world did you understood that I said we needed to vote pentaqola ?
Yes, I was panicked, because everyone was against me all of a sudden and for no real reason, and I think everyone would be, even more if they are town.

You are not reading my messages, taking some old message I sent at the very beginning of the game just to make an accusation that doesn't make any sense based on my mot recent messages, wtf are you trying to do ?

Also, the message you took was literally my third message. I wasn't familiar with the setup at the time and didn't really took the time to understand it before posting because I was almost getting replaced, so I just wrote it in like 5 minutes so I would have something to send. That's why I think you really shouldn't make your accusation based only on this message.

Why don't we go for the usual random vote instead of reading people in day 1?

If we’re doing usual votes then you’ll probably be on the list

Alright then let's not do random votes

bambinex wrote: 4c1o3r

I don't understand how people think voting either me or pentaqola right now is a good idea

well try thinking of someone else then.

also i dont want to judge people from their wording but fuck me bambi, you're really fucking sus rn. and i honestly had this feeling even before abraker said it.

ClevelandsMyBro wrote: 58np

bambinex wrote: 4c1o3r

I don't understand how people think voting either me or pentaqola right now is a good idea

well try thinking of someone else then.

also i dont want to judge people from their wording but fuck me bambi, you're really fucking sus rn. and i honestly had this feeling even before abraker said it.

Why am I looking sus to you ? Just saying that without giving me any information is dumb.

ClevelandsMyBro wrote: 58np

bambinex wrote: 4c1o3r

I don't understand how people think voting either me or pentaqola right now is a good idea

well try thinking of someone else then.

You ? Or literally anyone else. But me or pentaqola just isn't a good idea and I've already explained it multiple times.

bambinex wrote: 4c1o3r

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

For someone who is against using neg role to judge scum I'd expect the response to be something along the lines of "uhh what? role != alignment didn't you get the message?". Instead what I am seeing is panicked finger pointing, "but but you said penta's neg role make h-him more scum then mine, why me?". So making up excuses to save your own skin are we now? The best part is that you would loose ability to get a role if penta is killed. So what this tells me is that this is not just panicked finger pointing, but brain dead panicked finger pointing.

bambinex wrote: 4c1o3r

Penta can't see her path and roles even if die, so it's more like:

if we were to vote penta out, then bambi would just lose his role because then it's pretty much useless no?
if we vote bambi, then literally nothing would happen and penta would die because she pushed to vote for me so town loses 2 townies

I don't understand how people think voting either me or pentaqola right now is a good idea

How in the world did you understood that I said we needed to vote pentaqola ?
Yes, I was panicked, because everyone was against me all of a sudden and for no real reason, and I think everyone would be, even more if they are town.

Jee I wonder how

bambinex wrote: 4c1o3r

@abraker you proved long ago that, based on the negs, pentaqola is more likely to be scum than me, and now all of a sudden I'm on your scum reads like wtf

bambinex wrote: 4c1o3r

You are not reading my messages, taking some old message I sent at the very beginning of the game just to make an accusation that doesn't make any sense based on my mot recent messages, wtf are you trying to do ?

uhhh saying that is not helping cause you are itting to be anti-town at best lol

bambinex wrote: 4c1o3r

some old message I sent at the very beginning of the game just to make an accusation

Just to stress which part of that message is scummy

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

bambinex wrote: 4c1o3r

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

For someone who is against using neg role to judge scum I'd expect the response to be something along the lines of "uhh what? role != alignment didn't you get the message?". Instead what I am seeing is panicked finger pointing, "but but you said penta's neg role make h-him more scum then mine, why me?". So making up excuses to save your own skin are we now? The best part is that you would loose ability to get a role if penta is killed. So what this tells me is that this is not just panicked finger pointing, but brain dead panicked finger pointing.

bambinex wrote: 4c1o3r

Penta can't see her path and roles even if die, so it's more like:

if we were to vote penta out, then bambi would just lose his role because then it's pretty much useless no?
if we vote bambi, then literally nothing would happen and penta would die because she pushed to vote for me so town loses 2 townies

I don't understand how people think voting either me or pentaqola right now is a good idea

How in the world did you understood that I said we needed to vote pentaqola ?
Yes, I was panicked, because everyone was against me all of a sudden and for no real reason, and I think everyone would be, even more if they are town.

Jee I wonder how

bambinex wrote: 4c1o3r

@abraker you proved long ago that, based on the negs, pentaqola is more likely to be scum than me, and now all of a sudden I'm on your scum reads like wtf

Was I saying that we needed to vote pentaqola out ? Stop reinterpreting m'y messages pls

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

bambinex wrote: 4c1o3r

some old message I sent at the very beginning of the game just to make an accusation

Just to stress which part of that message is scummy

Why is that scummy ? Sorry but I actually don't understand lmao

Have we decided yet?

bambinex wrote: 4c1o3r

Mainly because of this tbh

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Penta scum offers balanced gameplay. Scum is killed, but as a double edged sword, town looses a role.
Bambi scum offers gameplay in favor of town. Scum is killed and nothing bad happens to town

I think we should at least wait for day 2 before voting pentaqola, so I can get rid of my neg and then we can kill a scum without town losing a role, but voting me right now just doesn't make any sense, all you will do is lose a townie

Also you forgot this message

NotRaffi wrote: 171b11

Have we decided yet?

That looks like a no and the problem is that abraker wasted all of the day trying to accuse me so now uuuuh... yeah