Frostings wrote: l110

Frostings wrote: l110

Hey, Sakura
Haven't played scum in a long time. How common are flavor fakeclaims for scum in mafia in general

Sakura please answer this it's critical

Mod dependant.
Fake Claims are usually mod given to match flavor so that scum that have no knowledge of flavor aren't at a disadvantage, it's also common in setups where it's alignment indicative for flavor.
Alternatively the mod may randomize flavor for alignment, but even then if your flavor gives you something like "Godfather" or "Strongman" and you have no knowledge of flavor the mod might give you a fake claim of another role that matches flavor but doesnt look scummy.

The most common way for fake claims is that the scum, picks a role and the mod gives them a fake claim based on the role they pick, it's not spoon fed, scum also gotta think it through.

huh is beeboy double voter?
Also
@Mod: order of votes is important

Sakura's saying we should break the game if we can. Tsukasa is saying that we can't necessarily do that with this setup.
I don't see any reason why there should be an exchange of votes for this. It's not telling of anything.

Zexion wrote: 11654m

Eeeehhh Flavor might be just spoilers for people who haven't played the game.

Anyways, Ace is scum.

Vote: Ace

damn you found me

gg the gig is up

have we all just been talking about flavor claiming so far? Cause that's completely pointless.

Vote: beefboy

seaboy's read intent, motivation, sincerity post is hilarious

beeboy123 wrote: 6u4d5c

I want to play Mafia not break the game through a flavour claim.

lmao

metal sonic1 wrote: 22506x

i am sans so i am automatically town

you guys need to stop my knees are weak

gonna go ahead and take a page out of frostings's book and call scum team rn

ms1 + beefboy

oh shit there's 3 scum

uhh...

I'll figure out the 3rd eventually

beeboy123 wrote: 6u4d5c

We aren't winning the game through outsmart the mod.

Outsmarting Jess is literally impossible. To outsmart, you've got to predict the reasoning, the path of cognition they naturally take, and stay a step ahead. Jess's reasoning is a complete mystery so even trying to outsmart her is a futile action.

tbh

Tsukasa wrote: i3p

Trying to break the gameflavour is great and all

But With what I experienced in another Undertale mafia (which I'm still not supposed to talk about)

I Highly doubt it

bruh

I had a theory with Sakura scumslipping regarding scum getting potential fakeclaims, but maybe it's unlikely

I agree with ace with his reads, actually. ms1 and beeboy sit at the top for me

Vote: metalsonic

I'm not seeing how tsu is thinking sakura is scum, making everyone flavor claim is kinda null.

Frostings wrote: l110

Vote: metalsonic

why ms > beefboy?

Ace Timing wrote: 36512t

why ms > beefboy?

beeboy is kinda trolling and my read on him is more gut feel than anything
I don't like how ms1 handled his flavor claim and I don't believe his description of his picture

that being said,
@Everyone: to what extent can we talk about the actual game Undertale
I feel like Jess might have made the roles and alignments similar to the personality of the characters in the game, so talking about the actual game is necessary
On the other hand, I don't wanna spoil the game for anyone, it's actually pretty good

I mean, I hope Jess made the setup necessarily spoiler-free, but it's somehow doubtful

Seaboy wtf every single post? Really?

Tsukasa wrote: i3p

OR

or

We fuck up because we give scums ideas on who to kill. I appreciate frostings for doing it but its not worth it at all

This is interesting, how would that possibly work? Because the whole thing of gaming the system by flavour is just to find who the "bad guys" are, nothing else.

Tsukasa wrote: i3p

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

And how am i even supposed to know that? I never even played the game.

Screw having played the game

Here's what I'm getting at

These are pretty much basic considerations into trying to break the game

1) If you're trying to break the game via flavor...

This is quite obvious btw, I think the flavor claiming idea was more or less an experiment but as I said -many posts ago- the nature of the flavor, Undertale, makes it already hard to say who is good and who is bad. This wall was completely unnecesary.

I still find it curious you would go so far to relate flavor to roles. I hope you weren't expecting to reveal the whole game by flavor, or that we would just trust that?

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

beeboy123 wrote: 6u4d5c

We aren't winning the game through outsmart the mod.

GIF almost broke a setup that is supposed to be Open by massclaim D1.
The only way i see jess not tying flavor to alignment is by pure random.org and i already mentioned it on a post earlier.
But even then, I don't see any harm in trying.

That was my game, and you guys sure love to break them >_<

Frostings wrote: l110

@Everyone: to what extent can we talk about the actual game Undertale
I feel like Jess might have made the roles and alignments similar to the personality of the characters in the game, so talking about the actual game is necessary
On the other hand, I don't wanna spoil the game for anyone, it's actually pretty good

Are you going to play mafia or try to figure everything by flavor? Ugh, I'd like this flavor spec to go away please...


FOS: Tsukasa


Ace is still scum.

Lets just say that we tried that already

And things

Went to shit

I would assume so if you tried to find out the roles by that.

And I want to believe Frostings only wanted to go for aligments.

@Mod: here you go, free ISOS:

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Zexion wrote: 11654m

I would assume so if you tried to find out the roles by that.

And I want to believe Frostings only wanted to go for aligments.

That's pretty much it.
And my Open example was meant to say that even the most experienced mods can make mistakes that lead to flavor breaking the game, just because, they are people, people can make mistakes.

Zexion wrote: 11654m

And I want to believe Frostings only wanted to go for aligments.

Nah it was for alignments and trying to break the game

What happened was it failed horribly, everything was outed, etc etc.

Tsukasa wrote: i3p

Zexion wrote: 11654m

And I want to believe Frostings only wanted to go for aligments.

Nah it was for alignments and trying to break the game

What happened was it failed horribly, everything was outed, etc etc.

Not necessarily, it may mislead scum as much as help them.

Persona 4 mafia on MS my character was Yukiko who's very known in the game for healing spells and scum targeted me thinking i was a doctor when i was actually a VT.

In the meantime flavor claiming doesnt hurt at all.

Its worth mentioning that the said flavor claiming and setup speculation was done by someone not-town aligned

Sooooo yeah

I'm not gonna experience that bullshit again please

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

answers to 1,2 and 3) Mod is Jess.

And I like how you say this

Before you say that

Interesting thing tho, you say that people tried to flavor break the game before and it was led by scum, yet Zexion here says that the way the game is flavor may mean nothing in of alignments, if this is true then how did that happen in whichever game you were?

In addition, i'll always endorese any path that will lead to a town win, even if it's not a commonly used one like breaking the game.

Point being, Frosty says we can probably flavor break the game.
I endorse this even if i dont know how he plans on doing so.
You're disagreeing with me.
But your vote on me is because of disagreement while trying to spun it off as a scumread.
Ergo, you're scum.

Zexion wrote: 11654m

Are you going to play mafia or try to figure everything by flavor? Ugh, I'd like this flavor spec to go away please...

one strategy of playing mafia is to setup spec, I don't know why any town would be against it

Sorry, I completely forgot about this game.

Glanced over most of the posts, didn't read the last two pages. seaboy is town, Sakura is probably Town, Tsukasa is probably Town, Ace seemed Townish. Frostings is scum.

Vote: Frostings

I'm gonna back tomorrow because it's really late now and I have to sleep

I'd rather be lynched then mass flavour claim.

I need to review why I am voting Tsukasa

fartownik wrote: 64d9

Sorry, I completely forgot about this game.

Glanced over most of the posts, didn't read the last two pages. seaboy is town, Sakura is probably Town, Tsukasa is probably Town, Ace seemed Townish. Frostings is scum.

Vote: Frostings

((ᕦ(ò_óˇᕦ)
fight me fartow

Frostings wrote: l110

Zexion wrote: 11654m

Are you going to play mafia or try to figure everything by flavor? Ugh, I'd like this flavor spec to go away please...

one strategy of playing mafia is to setup spec, I don't know why any town would be against it

I am against basing everything on your flavor plan. Because it will probably lead nowhere.

I mean, I totally wouldn't lynch someone just because they claim they're the main antagonist in the game

I feel like Jess is ionate about this game (Undertale)
Wouldn't it be weird if she made it such that, say, a character in the game who is malicious and deceptive, and his main philosophy is "kill or be killed" turned out to be a town character?

Zexion wrote: 11654m

I am against basing everything on your flavor plan. Because it will probably lead nowhere.

What's the downside?

Frostings, I feel like you are trying to make a flavor claim look more useful than it actually would turn out. By more useful I mean even tad useful, because it wouldn't give us anything at all. The only thing it'd achieve is: 1. We would know players' characters, which means we could try guessing their roles, which is complete opposite of useful for Town. 2. (You think) you will look good in players' eyes because you started something you believe was the way to go (you're miserably failing though). 3. We'd waste time by actually doing that.

Which means the only thing that's being achieved, no matter whether the claim goes through or not, is number 2, which means the only motivation you had behind that claim was your own self-interest. If I had to guess, you have a character that would be easily associated with Town in this game, so you'd gain something nonetheless even if we claimed and you'd manage to successfully convince people that flavor is important (when it's not).

From what I read on Undertale Wiki my character would fit both as Town and Mafia flavor-wise. I will not be bringing up this topic again and anyone who does so will look suspicious in my eyes.

I'm not trying to role fish, if that's what you're saying
I can guess flavor isn't role-indicative at all from my own role pm

Alignment though is something I'm curious about, and claiming flavor will take no time at all (we have like 10 days still), and we can decide if the information is useful once everyone has their claims out

fartownik wrote: 64d9

Frostings, I feel like you are trying to make a flavor claim look more useful than it actually would turn out. By more useful I mean even tad useful, because it wouldn't give us anything at all. The only thing it'd achieve is: 1. We would know players' characters, which means we could try guessing their roles, which is complete opposite of useful for Town. 2. (You think) you will look good in players' eyes because you started something you believe was the way to go (you're miserably failing though). 3. We'd waste time by actually doing that.

Which means the only thing that's being achieved, no matter whether the claim goes through or not, is number 2, which means the only motivation you had behind that claim was your own self-interest. If I had to guess, you have a character that would be easily associated with Town in this game, so you'd gain something nonetheless even if we claimed and you'd manage to successfully convince people that flavor is important (when it's not).

From what I read on Undertale Wiki my character would fit both as Town and Mafia flavor-wise. I will not be bringing up this topic again and anyone who does so will look suspicious in my eyes.

Did you miss the part where i flavor claimed in one game and scum wasted an action on a VT thinking i was doc? Flavor guessing isnt as easy as you might think.

fartownik wrote: 64d9

From what I read on Undertale Wiki my character would fit both as Town and Mafia flavor-wise. I will not be bringing up this topic again and anyone who does so will look suspicious in my eyes.

I might as well be suspicious than fall back on my beliefs.
But i suggest you start scumhunting instead of "those who believe in flavor breaking" hunting.

Frostings wrote: l110

I'm not trying to role fish, if that's what you're saying
I can guess flavor isn't role-indicative at all from my own role pm

Alignment though is something I'm curious about, and claiming flavor will take no time at all (we have like 10 days still), and we can decide if the information is useful once everyone has their claims out

Frostings gets it.

Frostings wrote: l110

I feel like Jess is ionate about this game (Undertale)
Wouldn't it be weird if she made it such that, say, a character in the game who is malicious and deceptive, and his main philosophy is "kill or be killed" turned out to be a town character?

I thought this.

I was wrong.

The second part, not the first part.

Also why the hell is no one voting me.

I'm literally never quiet, the fact I'm barely talking this game should've got at least one vote on me.

You guys are getting distracted far too much by this flavour thing.

Let's flavour claim and move on with the the game.
My character is flowey.

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

Also why the hell is no one voting me.

I'm literally never quiet, the fact I'm barely talking this game should've got at least one vote on me.

You guys are getting distracted far too much by this flavour thing.

Sorry im too busy voting scum.

I having a growing temptation to vote Mbomb for asking for it.
I wish I could call Ace town but his scum read on me is terrible :'(

Vote: Tsukass

where's my vote right now

Vote: beeboy
KILL OR BE KILLEDDD

you know with all these votes flying around, someone could be already lynched and we wouldn't even know it

Zexion wrote: 11654m

Monsters:

1. Aomi
2. - Magic Bomb -
3. Zexion
4. Tsukasa
5. Ace Timing
6. fartownik
7. Frostings
8. NoHitter
9. Sakura
10. metal sonic1
11. beeboy123
12. seaboy312

for my own sanity

[3] Tsukasa: Sakura, ms1, beeboy
[2] Frostings: Aomi, fartownik
[2] beeboy: Ace, Frostings
[2] Ace: Zexion, NoHitter
[1] Sakura: Tsukasa
[1] Aomi: seaboy

Not Voting: MB

again, for my own sanity

Also, while looking at ISOs

Aomi wrote: 2q6w66

vote: frostings

hello old friend we meet again

who even are you

^ pretty sure this guy forgot this game exists

Who should I vote guys?

seaboy's intent post seems to be trying too hard.
Tsukasa and Sakura is probably town v town.
The rest is a blur

NoHitter wrote: 262z5z

Who should I vote guys?

seaboy's intent post seems to be trying too hard.
Tsukasa and Sakura is probably town v town.
The rest is a blur

I think you just answered your own question.

NoHitter wrote: 262z5z

Who should I vote guys?

seaboy's intent post seems to be trying too hard.
Tsukasa and Sakura is probably town v town.
The rest is a blur

Trying too hard is NAI at best...

Vote: Beeboy

for claiming to be the character that i am

i do find it very interesting that he claimed the same character as me despite the fact i had quite obviously hinted that i was flowey, though.

I assumed that would be scum flavour and I wanted to see how people reacted LOL

My real flavour is Papyrus.

lynch all liars

Why would anyone claim a false flavor when a flavor mass claim is currently being considered lol

So will a flavor massclaim even work?

Basically these are the main characters:
There are 10 of them all in all. That means we're still missing two characters for the remaining 2 people. This means there will be at least two from the side characters.

IMO this tells me that we're not going to get anything substantial from this.

can i just kill you all for still discussing flavor claim

also Vote: beeboy123

He's got 4 votes iirc, 2 more and he's lynched.

Frostings wrote: l110

Also, while looking at ISOs

Aomi wrote: 2q6w66

vote: frostings

hello old friend we meet again

who even are you

wow
i played greatest idea mafia with you ??
i see how it is ):

also knowing jess she'd probably make flowey a town chara or something

im tired will re-read everything later zz

Aomi wrote: 2q6w66

wow
i played greatest idea mafia with you ??
i see how it is ):

also knowing jess she'd probably make flowey a town chara or something

im tired will re-read everything later zz

are you Mafia with Magic Bomb? )))))

I would say something to stop my lynch but I don't have scum reads and I don't know why people think I am scum.

fart glad to see you're town this game

But can we at least get sakura first?

Very glad farto gets it, just one more thing to address and I'll never speak about this again:

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

Zexion wrote: 11654m

I am against basing everything on your flavor plan. Because it will probably lead nowhere.

What's the downside?

What's happening right now. Everyone so worried about flavor we neglect everything else.

beeboy123 wrote: 6u4d5c

I would say something to stop my lynch but I don't have scum reads and I don't know why people think I am scum.

I still don't get the town logic of denying a flavor claim, then claiming and lying about your flavor. Maybe explain what was your idea?

NoHitter wrote: 262z5z

Who should I vote guys?

seaboy's intent post seems to be trying too hard.
Tsukasa and Sakura is probably town v town.
The rest is a blur

This ive attitude is starting to bother me. I didn't think you would do what you said so literally.

That's not a downside, that's a side effect of being stubborn.

Like stop assuming things that havent happened yet, everyone flavor claims, we get nothing? we move on, we get something? it was worth it. The only reason everyone's talking about it is because everyone's refusing.

Fakeclaiming flavour wouldn't have been a problem, to me, if I hadn't very clearly pointed to it being my character just a post earlier.

Well technically 3 posts earlier but all of those posts were by me so it's easier to just class it as one post.

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

That's not a downside, that's a side effect of being stubborn.

And being stubborn of pushing the flavor claim tho people disagreed?

I still don't see how we can possibly break this game that way.

Zexion wrote: 11654m

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

That's not a downside, that's a side effect of being stubborn.

And being stubborn of pushing the flavor claim tho people disagreed?

I still don't see how we can possibly break this game that way.

Well it's kinda hard to see something without the info to take that conclusion sooo

Zexion wrote: 11654m

If Jess actually related flavor with aligments... then there aren't that many "bad" characters to begin with. Depends on your definition of bad, so it's kinda ambiguous for undertale.

Everyone claims, ok, who is scum? Would you dare lynching someone based on that?

I don't really want to discuss this any further...

As I said we wont know until we try.

who on earth is Chara

Aomi wrote: 2q6w66

wow
i played greatest idea mafia with you ??
i see how it is ):

Oh I don't even that game, I died N1 as a third party and lost interest in it
my bad

Here's my thought on flavor claims
1. everyone claims flavor

2. If a fishy claim comes up we have a nice friendly discussion about it
otherwise we go about with our lives

3. if, after a few flips it's starting to look like flavor might play a role in alignment we lynch accordingly to test the theory
otherwise, we forget about it

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

Fakeclaiming flavour wouldn't have been a problem, to me, if I hadn't very clearly pointed to it being my character just a post earlier.

Why didn't you ask me why I thought Aomi is Mafia with you

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

Fakeclaiming flavour wouldn't have been a problem, to me, if I hadn't very clearly pointed to it being my character just a post earlier.

Wait why does me not paying attention make it a problem o3o

yeah I don't know why mb is making a big deal about him hinting about it when I don't know what post he's even referring to

vote: mbomb

Ye this doesn't make sense to me

fartownik wrote: 64d9

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

Fakeclaiming flavour wouldn't have been a problem, to me, if I hadn't very clearly pointed to it being my character just a post earlier.

Why didn't you ask me why I thought Aomi is Mafia with you

Aomi wrote: 2q6w66

also knowing jess she'd probably make flowey a town chara or something

im tired will re-read everything later zz

I thought it was because of this post?

beeboy123 wrote: 6u4d5c

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

Fakeclaiming flavour wouldn't have been a problem, to me, if I hadn't very clearly pointed to it being my character just a post earlier.

Wait why does me not paying attention make it a problem o3o

When is not paying attention a good thing wtf

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

Frostings wrote: l110

I feel like Jess is ionate about this game (Undertale)
Wouldn't it be weird if she made it such that, say, a character in the game who is malicious and deceptive, and his main philosophy is "kill or be killed" turned out to be a town character?

I thought this.

I was wrong.

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

The second part, not the first part.

This is what I meant by me strongly hinting at claiming flowey, btw.

I'm disliking how little thought seems to be going into beeboy and Frostings's posts, by the way.

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

When is not paying attention a good thing wtf

When is not paying attention a scum tell? You aren't looking for scum you are finding things you don't like.

Sorry for fencesitting on this but...
Im not sure if magic bomb is scum picking on a weakpoint or town thinking that something they dislike = scum.

Meanwhile Tsukasa is still scum.

Regardless mbomb's attack on beeboy is weak, nothing in there points to beeboy being scum, unless you think he was scum fake reaction testing. And if you're arguing that flavor is irrelevant then HOW THE FUCK do you think scum would claim the exact same character you have. Do you think beeboy's master scum plan was to "Oh hey let's fake claim a character someone's probably going to have to make a point about flavor and reaction test people"