@frostings
As a mod, I generally don't give fakeclaims, since knowing how to maneuver through flavor is supposed to be a skill

vote seaboy wtf

Frostings wrote: l110

if so, can you describe it to me

its pink and a little bit of brown, there are red polka dots on the bottom. theres a red round thing on the top looks like a cherry

I should stop taking naps I always forget to open stuff

Frostings wrote: l110

I'd like everyone to flavor claim today

I would like to throw you off a bridge <3

Sadly enough I'm not supposed to do that

beeboy123 wrote: 6u4d5c

I want to play Mafia not break the game through a flavour claim.
Seaboy has never played Mafia before btw LOL.

Sakura and Frostings might be town.

Who the fuck is seaboy though really

I almost reported you for multi ing :kappa:

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

Zexion wrote: 11654m

I kinda get the FOS.

I'm not really sure we're going to break the game by flavour just considering this is undertale and decisions and blah blah, but it's still worth a try.

It's not about whether we would manage to break the game or not
It's the desire to break it, scum would be aiming for the opposite.

OR

or

We fuck up because we give scums ideas on who to kill. I appreciate frostings for doing it but its not worth it at all

Frostings wrote: l110

also stop flavor claiming, I wanted an order

Its a sign that we're already fucking up

Thanks guys

Vote: Sakura

Way better vote btw

scum^

Tsukasa wrote: i3p

OR

or

We fuck up because we give scums ideas on who to kill. I appreciate frostings for doing it but its not worth it at all

Naaaah

Tsukasa wrote: i3p

Frostings wrote: l110

also stop flavor claiming, I wanted an order

Its a sign that we're already fucking up

Thanks guys

How is that a sign of already fucking up? he's still pro-mass flavor claim.

Tsukasa wrote: i3p

Vote: Sakura

Way better vote btw

As i said... scum's opposed to the idea of flavor breaking the game.
Vote: Tsukasa
or OMGUS, whichever's better.

Sakura y u make Seaboy waste all his time? He is so town tho it isn't funny.

Seaboy the real secret to finding scum is sheeping me all game.

beeboy123 wrote: 6u4d5c

Sakura y u make Seaboy waste all his time? He is so town tho it isn't funny.

He was the one who decided to do it like that, i only told him what to look for in people's posting.

Trying to break the gameflavour is great and all

But With what I experienced in another Undertale mafia (which I'm still not supposed to talk about)

I Highly doubt it

And how am i even supposed to know that? I never even played the game.

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

beeboy123 wrote: 6u4d5c

Sakura y u make Seaboy waste all his time? He is so town tho it isn't funny.

He was the one who decided to do it like that, i only told him what to look for in people's posting.

You confused him

Here's me calling anyone that doesnt have a townread on Tsukasa to vote this scum out of the earth.

vote: Sakura

You are really getting into this game Sakura o3o

beeboy123 wrote: 6u4d5c

vote: Sakura

You are really getting into this game Sakura o3o

Yes i am

O wait fuk wrong player

vote: Tsukasa

Ignore that Sakura vote everyone

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

And how am i even supposed to know that? I never even played the game.

Screw having played the game

Here's what I'm getting at

These are pretty much basic considerations into trying to break the game

1) If you're trying to break the game via flavor, Are you, for certain, without a doubt, that the flavor is very lore driven?
- most mods wouldn't do this. Its pretty stupid. Say that this was... I dunno... Fucking Naruto mafia and someone claimed... I dunno... Gaara or some asshole from the sand village. You'd normally think "Its Gaara he must be town" if you knew the flavor. BUT. ARE YOU FUCKING SURE HE'S TOWN? For all I know it can be a safeclaim, or even a mod provided fake claim. This happened a long time ago in Hunter x Hunter mafia.

2) Have you considered the possibilty of outing a role that you didn't want to get outed?
- You're pretty much giving scum the information they need.
A) You deny information on NK
B) You give scum a free
C) You just really destroyed town

3) Would you, In any sense, are 100% sure, that you can do it?
- Why even attempt it when you're 50-50 on it. "I maybe able to" =/= "I'm gonna be fucking nailing shit".

Ya'll are disgusting

answers to 1,2 and 3) Mod is Jess.

That's fucking mean

It's not mean, it's playing strategically outguess the mod.

We aren't winning the game through outsmart the mod.

Can you at least respect your mod?

I haven't played a Jess game but I'm pretty sure s/he's not that stupid

I mean sure it's possible this is a colossal waste of time.
But we can't really be sure of that until someone flips regardless.
I expect town to be in favor of flavor mass claim, as not being sure that alignment is tied to flavor, we also cant be necessarily sure roles are tied to flavor, but then again I never played the game so i would never know.

I'm not one for meta and relating this game to another game

You know that, right?

But after what I've experienced? Nu Uh I'm never gonna let this shit through

beeboy123 wrote: 6u4d5c

We aren't winning the game through outsmart the mod.

GIF almost broke a setup that is supposed to be Open by massclaim D1.
The only way i see jess not tying flavor to alignment is by pure random.org and i already mentioned it on a post earlier.
But even then, I don't see any harm in trying.

I honestly want to kill myself IRL

We are not claiming flavor.

and I do not want to discuss this any further

Instead

Frostings is town
Beebs is probably town

Sakura can die though

beeboy123 wrote: 6u4d5c

We are not claiming flavor.

You already claimed flavor.
I already claimed flavor.
i think MB already claimed flavor.

I kinda have a hard time seeing this stopping anytime soon.

Tsukasa wrote: i3p

Sakura can die though

I dare you try.

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

Tsukasa wrote: i3p

Sakura can die though

I dare you try.

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

beeboy123 wrote: 6u4d5c

We are not claiming flavor.

You already claimed flavor.
I already claimed flavor.
i think MB already claimed flavor.

I kinda have a hard time seeing this stopping anytime soon.

Don't trick people pls I haven't claimed anything.

*Where is snowin town?
*you ask
*In the end of the east,also
*although monsters are looks cute and innocent,they might not be a good monster
*please that

I have stuff to do today so I'll be back at night around same time as yesterday.
Hopefully I finish what I was doing and get something out of it.

Frostings wrote: l110

Hey, Sakura
Haven't played scum in a long time. How common are flavor fakeclaims for scum in mafia in general

Sakura please answer this it's critical

In the last 3 months I have played over a dozen theme games 1 did not have flavor fake claims the rest did

Frostings wrote: l110

Frostings wrote: l110

Hey, Sakura
Haven't played scum in a long time. How common are flavor fakeclaims for scum in mafia in general

Sakura please answer this it's critical

Mod dependant.
Fake Claims are usually mod given to match flavor so that scum that have no knowledge of flavor aren't at a disadvantage, it's also common in setups where it's alignment indicative for flavor.
Alternatively the mod may randomize flavor for alignment, but even then if your flavor gives you something like "Godfather" or "Strongman" and you have no knowledge of flavor the mod might give you a fake claim of another role that matches flavor but doesnt look scummy.

The most common way for fake claims is that the scum, picks a role and the mod gives them a fake claim based on the role they pick, it's not spoon fed, scum also gotta think it through.

huh is beeboy double voter?
Also
@Mod: order of votes is important

Sakura's saying we should break the game if we can. Tsukasa is saying that we can't necessarily do that with this setup.
I don't see any reason why there should be an exchange of votes for this. It's not telling of anything.

Zexion wrote: 11654m

Eeeehhh Flavor might be just spoilers for people who haven't played the game.

Anyways, Ace is scum.

Vote: Ace

damn you found me

gg the gig is up

have we all just been talking about flavor claiming so far? Cause that's completely pointless.

Vote: beefboy

seaboy's read intent, motivation, sincerity post is hilarious

beeboy123 wrote: 6u4d5c

I want to play Mafia not break the game through a flavour claim.

lmao

metal sonic1 wrote: 22506x

i am sans so i am automatically town

you guys need to stop my knees are weak

gonna go ahead and take a page out of frostings's book and call scum team rn

ms1 + beefboy

oh shit there's 3 scum

uhh...

I'll figure out the 3rd eventually

beeboy123 wrote: 6u4d5c

We aren't winning the game through outsmart the mod.

Outsmarting Jess is literally impossible. To outsmart, you've got to predict the reasoning, the path of cognition they naturally take, and stay a step ahead. Jess's reasoning is a complete mystery so even trying to outsmart her is a futile action.

tbh

Tsukasa wrote: i3p

Trying to break the gameflavour is great and all

But With what I experienced in another Undertale mafia (which I'm still not supposed to talk about)

I Highly doubt it

bruh

I had a theory with Sakura scumslipping regarding scum getting potential fakeclaims, but maybe it's unlikely

I agree with ace with his reads, actually. ms1 and beeboy sit at the top for me

Vote: metalsonic

I'm not seeing how tsu is thinking sakura is scum, making everyone flavor claim is kinda null.

Frostings wrote: l110

Vote: metalsonic

why ms > beefboy?

Ace Timing wrote: 36512t

why ms > beefboy?

beeboy is kinda trolling and my read on him is more gut feel than anything
I don't like how ms1 handled his flavor claim and I don't believe his description of his picture

that being said,
@Everyone: to what extent can we talk about the actual game Undertale
I feel like Jess might have made the roles and alignments similar to the personality of the characters in the game, so talking about the actual game is necessary
On the other hand, I don't wanna spoil the game for anyone, it's actually pretty good

I mean, I hope Jess made the setup necessarily spoiler-free, but it's somehow doubtful

Seaboy wtf every single post? Really?

Tsukasa wrote: i3p

OR

or

We fuck up because we give scums ideas on who to kill. I appreciate frostings for doing it but its not worth it at all

This is interesting, how would that possibly work? Because the whole thing of gaming the system by flavour is just to find who the "bad guys" are, nothing else.

Tsukasa wrote: i3p

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

And how am i even supposed to know that? I never even played the game.

Screw having played the game

Here's what I'm getting at

These are pretty much basic considerations into trying to break the game

1) If you're trying to break the game via flavor...

This is quite obvious btw, I think the flavor claiming idea was more or less an experiment but as I said -many posts ago- the nature of the flavor, Undertale, makes it already hard to say who is good and who is bad. This wall was completely unnecesary.

I still find it curious you would go so far to relate flavor to roles. I hope you weren't expecting to reveal the whole game by flavor, or that we would just trust that?

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

beeboy123 wrote: 6u4d5c

We aren't winning the game through outsmart the mod.

GIF almost broke a setup that is supposed to be Open by massclaim D1.
The only way i see jess not tying flavor to alignment is by pure random.org and i already mentioned it on a post earlier.
But even then, I don't see any harm in trying.

That was my game, and you guys sure love to break them >_<

Frostings wrote: l110

@Everyone: to what extent can we talk about the actual game Undertale
I feel like Jess might have made the roles and alignments similar to the personality of the characters in the game, so talking about the actual game is necessary
On the other hand, I don't wanna spoil the game for anyone, it's actually pretty good

Are you going to play mafia or try to figure everything by flavor? Ugh, I'd like this flavor spec to go away please...


FOS: Tsukasa


Ace is still scum.

Lets just say that we tried that already

And things

Went to shit

I would assume so if you tried to find out the roles by that.

And I want to believe Frostings only wanted to go for aligments.

@Mod: here you go, free ISOS:

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Zexion wrote: 11654m

I would assume so if you tried to find out the roles by that.

And I want to believe Frostings only wanted to go for aligments.

That's pretty much it.
And my Open example was meant to say that even the most experienced mods can make mistakes that lead to flavor breaking the game, just because, they are people, people can make mistakes.

Zexion wrote: 11654m

And I want to believe Frostings only wanted to go for aligments.

Nah it was for alignments and trying to break the game

What happened was it failed horribly, everything was outed, etc etc.

Tsukasa wrote: i3p

Zexion wrote: 11654m

And I want to believe Frostings only wanted to go for aligments.

Nah it was for alignments and trying to break the game

What happened was it failed horribly, everything was outed, etc etc.

Not necessarily, it may mislead scum as much as help them.

Persona 4 mafia on MS my character was Yukiko who's very known in the game for healing spells and scum targeted me thinking i was a doctor when i was actually a VT.

In the meantime flavor claiming doesnt hurt at all.

Its worth mentioning that the said flavor claiming and setup speculation was done by someone not-town aligned

Sooooo yeah

I'm not gonna experience that bullshit again please

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

answers to 1,2 and 3) Mod is Jess.

And I like how you say this

Before you say that

Interesting thing tho, you say that people tried to flavor break the game before and it was led by scum, yet Zexion here says that the way the game is flavor may mean nothing in of alignments, if this is true then how did that happen in whichever game you were?

In addition, i'll always endorese any path that will lead to a town win, even if it's not a commonly used one like breaking the game.

Point being, Frosty says we can probably flavor break the game.
I endorse this even if i dont know how he plans on doing so.
You're disagreeing with me.
But your vote on me is because of disagreement while trying to spun it off as a scumread.
Ergo, you're scum.

Zexion wrote: 11654m

Are you going to play mafia or try to figure everything by flavor? Ugh, I'd like this flavor spec to go away please...

one strategy of playing mafia is to setup spec, I don't know why any town would be against it

Sorry, I completely forgot about this game.

Glanced over most of the posts, didn't read the last two pages. seaboy is town, Sakura is probably Town, Tsukasa is probably Town, Ace seemed Townish. Frostings is scum.

Vote: Frostings

I'm gonna back tomorrow because it's really late now and I have to sleep

I'd rather be lynched then mass flavour claim.

I need to review why I am voting Tsukasa

fartownik wrote: 64d9

Sorry, I completely forgot about this game.

Glanced over most of the posts, didn't read the last two pages. seaboy is town, Sakura is probably Town, Tsukasa is probably Town, Ace seemed Townish. Frostings is scum.

Vote: Frostings

((ᕦ(ò_óˇᕦ)
fight me fartow

Frostings wrote: l110

Zexion wrote: 11654m

Are you going to play mafia or try to figure everything by flavor? Ugh, I'd like this flavor spec to go away please...

one strategy of playing mafia is to setup spec, I don't know why any town would be against it

I am against basing everything on your flavor plan. Because it will probably lead nowhere.

I mean, I totally wouldn't lynch someone just because they claim they're the main antagonist in the game

I feel like Jess is ionate about this game (Undertale)
Wouldn't it be weird if she made it such that, say, a character in the game who is malicious and deceptive, and his main philosophy is "kill or be killed" turned out to be a town character?

Zexion wrote: 11654m

I am against basing everything on your flavor plan. Because it will probably lead nowhere.

What's the downside?

Frostings, I feel like you are trying to make a flavor claim look more useful than it actually would turn out. By more useful I mean even tad useful, because it wouldn't give us anything at all. The only thing it'd achieve is: 1. We would know players' characters, which means we could try guessing their roles, which is complete opposite of useful for Town. 2. (You think) you will look good in players' eyes because you started something you believe was the way to go (you're miserably failing though). 3. We'd waste time by actually doing that.

Which means the only thing that's being achieved, no matter whether the claim goes through or not, is number 2, which means the only motivation you had behind that claim was your own self-interest. If I had to guess, you have a character that would be easily associated with Town in this game, so you'd gain something nonetheless even if we claimed and you'd manage to successfully convince people that flavor is important (when it's not).

From what I read on Undertale Wiki my character would fit both as Town and Mafia flavor-wise. I will not be bringing up this topic again and anyone who does so will look suspicious in my eyes.

I'm not trying to role fish, if that's what you're saying
I can guess flavor isn't role-indicative at all from my own role pm

Alignment though is something I'm curious about, and claiming flavor will take no time at all (we have like 10 days still), and we can decide if the information is useful once everyone has their claims out

fartownik wrote: 64d9

Frostings, I feel like you are trying to make a flavor claim look more useful than it actually would turn out. By more useful I mean even tad useful, because it wouldn't give us anything at all. The only thing it'd achieve is: 1. We would know players' characters, which means we could try guessing their roles, which is complete opposite of useful for Town. 2. (You think) you will look good in players' eyes because you started something you believe was the way to go (you're miserably failing though). 3. We'd waste time by actually doing that.

Which means the only thing that's being achieved, no matter whether the claim goes through or not, is number 2, which means the only motivation you had behind that claim was your own self-interest. If I had to guess, you have a character that would be easily associated with Town in this game, so you'd gain something nonetheless even if we claimed and you'd manage to successfully convince people that flavor is important (when it's not).

From what I read on Undertale Wiki my character would fit both as Town and Mafia flavor-wise. I will not be bringing up this topic again and anyone who does so will look suspicious in my eyes.

Did you miss the part where i flavor claimed in one game and scum wasted an action on a VT thinking i was doc? Flavor guessing isnt as easy as you might think.

fartownik wrote: 64d9

From what I read on Undertale Wiki my character would fit both as Town and Mafia flavor-wise. I will not be bringing up this topic again and anyone who does so will look suspicious in my eyes.

I might as well be suspicious than fall back on my beliefs.
But i suggest you start scumhunting instead of "those who believe in flavor breaking" hunting.

Frostings wrote: l110

I'm not trying to role fish, if that's what you're saying
I can guess flavor isn't role-indicative at all from my own role pm

Alignment though is something I'm curious about, and claiming flavor will take no time at all (we have like 10 days still), and we can decide if the information is useful once everyone has their claims out

Frostings gets it.

Frostings wrote: l110

I feel like Jess is ionate about this game (Undertale)
Wouldn't it be weird if she made it such that, say, a character in the game who is malicious and deceptive, and his main philosophy is "kill or be killed" turned out to be a town character?

I thought this.

I was wrong.

The second part, not the first part.

Also why the hell is no one voting me.

I'm literally never quiet, the fact I'm barely talking this game should've got at least one vote on me.

You guys are getting distracted far too much by this flavour thing.

Let's flavour claim and move on with the the game.
My character is flowey.

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

Also why the hell is no one voting me.

I'm literally never quiet, the fact I'm barely talking this game should've got at least one vote on me.

You guys are getting distracted far too much by this flavour thing.

Sorry im too busy voting scum.

I having a growing temptation to vote Mbomb for asking for it.
I wish I could call Ace town but his scum read on me is terrible :'(

Vote: Tsukass

where's my vote right now

Vote: beeboy
KILL OR BE KILLEDDD

you know with all these votes flying around, someone could be already lynched and we wouldn't even know it

Zexion wrote: 11654m

Monsters:

1. Aomi
2. - Magic Bomb -
3. Zexion
4. Tsukasa
5. Ace Timing
6. fartownik
7. Frostings
8. NoHitter
9. Sakura
10. metal sonic1
11. beeboy123
12. seaboy312

for my own sanity

[3] Tsukasa: Sakura, ms1, beeboy
[2] Frostings: Aomi, fartownik
[2] beeboy: Ace, Frostings
[2] Ace: Zexion, NoHitter
[1] Sakura: Tsukasa
[1] Aomi: seaboy

Not Voting: MB

again, for my own sanity