dude they just literally claimed scum
uhhh hello guys?

the only thing i know about undertale is from this vid:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAIN73RGmbA

i am sans so i am automatically town

very good we have 3 obvious towns

We should be able to #rekt scum again easy.
Unfortunately someone's bound to get paranoid somewhere and everything will just fall apart.

including me

Hello guys. It sucks to be me, so I'll solely sheep this entire game.
Tell me who is scum and why and I'll vote for them. Kthxbye

unfortunately i wont be able to participate in quick lynches because of timezone, the last game i didnt even get to see MB get #rekt overnight

So I've been reading the game over and over again and I still got nothing.
How do people get stuff this early?

NoHitter wrote: 262z5z

Hello guys. It sucks to be me, so I'll solely sheep this entire game.
Tell me who is scum and why and I'll vote for them. Kthxbye

I'll give you 3 choices
Ace Timing
Timing Ace
Ace

Choose one.

seaboy321 wrote: 5c1z2d

So I've been reading the game over and over again and I still got nothing.
How do people get stuff this early?

Experience

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

NoHitter wrote: 262z5z

Hello guys. It sucks to be me, so I'll solely sheep this entire game.
Tell me who is scum and why and I'll vote for them. Kthxbye

I'll give you 3 choices
Ace Timing
Timing Ace
Ace

Choose one.

Oh forgot the why
Because they are scum.
There!

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

seaboy321 wrote: 5c1z2d

So I've been reading the game over and over again and I still got nothing.
How do people get stuff this early?

Experience

Well shit. I wanted to be a wizard too.

Haha, sorry it's just that i have a hard time explaining. I can give you a few tips
Read Intent
Read Motivation
Read Sincerity

Also seaboy gives me newbtown vibes so far.

highly doubt seaboy is a newb

also stop flavor claiming, I wanted an order

hey ms1, do you have a picture of your character in your role pm

if so, can you describe it to me

You may embed only 2 quotes within each other.

Way to go game.

Frostings wrote: l110

I'd like everyone to flavor claim today

Intent: To start mass flavor claim.
Motivation: Looks pretty high.
Sincerity: I don't think anyone would say this as a joke.

Frostings wrote: l110

oh yeah
Vote seaboy

Intent: ???
Motivation: Can't discern.
Sincerity: ???

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

i dont mind, but do you know why flavor would be relevant to anything?
Vote: Ace Timing

Intent: She wants to know what flavor has to do with alignment. Vote looks random.
Motivation: Normal.
Sincerity: I guess.

Frostings wrote: l110

BEEBOY AND NOW SEABOY
THERE'RE TOO MANY OF EM

Intent: He is jealous of me and beeboy.
Motivation: He looks crushed and demotivated.
Sincerity: He cries.

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

FROSTY answer my question pls.

Intent: She wants to get down to beez kneez.
Motivation: As much as a dude interrogating someone.
Sincerity: Serious buisness.

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

also im going to be upfront and say i didnt play undertale so i know nothing about the flavor.

Intent: To claim that she has no idea about flavor. That makes sincerity of her earlier post true I think.
Motivation: Normal
Sincerity: It matches up so I guess sincere.

Frostings wrote: l110

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

i dont mind, but do you know why flavor would be relevant to anything?

well I mean, I got a cute little picture that goes along with mine so I'm assuming I'm a good guy in the game
good guy in the game = town, you feel?

Intent: To say that his flavor is town. I never played Undertale so I have no way to confirm that cute things are nice and good.
Motivation: emoticon.
Sincerity: I don't know.

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

ok i guess, mine was kinda cute too, the character was mettaton or something like that.

Intent: To reveal her flavor as a Mettaton.
Motivation: Normal.
Sincerity: Doesn't sound like she is lying.

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

Jess is a new mod tho, and i'd feel bad if her first game gets flavor broken, but if it's possible im gonna LOL.

Intent: Making fun of the new .
Motivation: Normal.
Sincerity: Ugh do I really have to keep track of this

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

Btw unless something drastic changes, im not voting Frosty ever.

Intent: To say that she townreads Frostings.
Motivation: over my dead body
Sincerity: Dunno. It came out of nowhere.

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

Jess is a new mod tho, and i'd feel bad if her first game gets flavor broken, but if it's possible im gonna LOL.

I doubt it, whilst I haven't played much of the game, I actually know my character starts off as a bad character.

Although, this might change through the story, as I haven't completed it yet.

Intent: To indirectly claim his flavor by saying he was once a bad guy.
Motivation: Normal
Sincerity: Doesn't feel like a lie.

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

Though I did still get a cute little picture with mine

Intent: To brag that his flavor is something cute.
Motivation: High
Sincerity: I guess?

Zexion wrote: 11654m

Eeeehhh Flavor might be just spoilers for people who haven't played the game.

Anyways, Ace is scum.

Vote: Ace

Intent: To announce that Ace is mafia, and to ring up a spoiler alert.
Motivation: Normal
Sincerity: I dunno. Ace never made a post.

Zexion wrote: 11654m

If Jess actually related flavor with aligments... then there aren't that many "bad" characters to begin with. Depends on your definition of bad, so it's kinda ambiguous for undertale.

Are we flavor claiming?

Intent: To tell people that flavor has minimal relation with alignment.
Motivation: Normal.
Sincerity: I never played the game.

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

i dont really care at this point, but Frosty wanting to break the game via flavor is super town.

Intent: To explain her earlier townread of Frostings.
Motivation: Normal.
Sincerity: Well it's explaining her townread.

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

I mean, its mostly a thing of whether Jess randomized which flavor is scum which is a thing that's super easy to do, or whether she wanted the characters to stay connected to flavor via alignment, in which case scum could get flavor fake claims which is not something i'd think Jess would anticipate, but you never know.

Intent: To say that flavor claiming is basically useless.
Motivation: Normal.
Sincerity: I guess.

Frostings wrote: l110

if we're gonna flavor claim, i want to establish an order first, via RVS or post-RVS whatever

though let's not get ahead of ourselves and forget osumafia's first rule: new players are always scum
points at beeboy's friend

Intent: Try to call me mafia with some kind of weird logic.
Motivation: emoticon.
Sincerity: I don't think he's serious here.

Frostings wrote: l110

also FOS Sakura

Intent: To "FOS" Sakura. (What is FOS)
Motivation: emoticon.
Sincerity: What is FOS

Frostings wrote: l110

damn SNB isn't in this game

Intent: State that "SNB" is not in the game.
Motivation: emoticon.
Sincerity: What's "SNB"

Zexion wrote: 11654m

I kinda get the FOS.

I'm not really sure we're going to break the game by flavour just considering this is undertale and decisions and blah blah, but it's still worth a try.

Intent: Saying that flavor claim might net something.
Motivation: Normal
Sincerity: I guess so.

beeboy123 wrote: 6u4d5c

I want to play Mafia not break the game through a flavour claim.
Seaboy has never played Mafia before btw LOL.

Sakura and Frostings might be town.

Intent: Disagreeing with flavor massclaim. Also some names who he think is town.
Motivation: beeboy
Sincerity: Why would he not want to take the easy way?

beeboy123 wrote: 6u4d5c

Why are you assuming this was his intention tho?

Intent: Explaining her Frostings townread once again.
Motivation: Why am I repeating myself
Sincerity: Match with her posts above.

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

It's not about whether we would manage to break the game or not
It's the desire to break it, scum would be aiming for the opposite.

Intent: Explaining her Frostings townread once again.
Motivation: Why am I repeating myself
Sincerity: Match with her posts above.

beeboy123 wrote: 6u4d5c

what post in particular all I see is him asking for flavour with 0 follow up.
Have you never seen so,some ask for flavour out of curiosity?

Intent: Show me some proof.
Motivation: Curious
Sincerity: It's a question.

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

^

Meanwhile Ace Timing is scumming it up.

Intent: Answering beeboy's question.
Motivation: Normal.
Sincerity: Ace didn't post yet??? I'm confused now.

I'm tired. Rest later.

You cannot make another post so soon after your last.

Way to go game.

w t f

do I have to read that

is that literally every post in the game?
I think that's every post in the game

If you want to.
It's for me really.

Actually, yes. You need to read all that.

Frostings wrote: l110

is that literally every post in the game?
I think that's every post in the game

No, it's up to near bottom of page 7.

I read it, but I don't get the purpose of it really, besides taking Sakura's post literally for the fun of it

everything you say is completely neutral and you're just commenting on everyone else's posts without really formulating your own opinions or pressuring anyone about it

I would be a huge dick if I was poking fun of someone who literally gave me tips on how to play. I read the game and got nothing so I'm trying her method to see if something clicks. I guess it really belongs on my notepad but I think posting here lets me access to my progress easier.

think Sakura was half joking

seaboy, flavor?

Nepstarblock or something long name.

Unvote

Hey, Sakura
Haven't played scum in a long time. How common are flavor fakeclaims for scum in mafia in general

vote: frostings

hello old friend we meet again

ok Sakura
Vote: Ace

@frostings
As a mod, I generally don't give fakeclaims, since knowing how to maneuver through flavor is supposed to be a skill

vote seaboy wtf

Frostings wrote: l110

if so, can you describe it to me

its pink and a little bit of brown, there are red polka dots on the bottom. theres a red round thing on the top looks like a cherry

I should stop taking naps I always forget to open stuff

Frostings wrote: l110

I'd like everyone to flavor claim today

I would like to throw you off a bridge <3

Sadly enough I'm not supposed to do that

beeboy123 wrote: 6u4d5c

I want to play Mafia not break the game through a flavour claim.
Seaboy has never played Mafia before btw LOL.

Sakura and Frostings might be town.

Who the fuck is seaboy though really

I almost reported you for multi ing :kappa:

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

Zexion wrote: 11654m

I kinda get the FOS.

I'm not really sure we're going to break the game by flavour just considering this is undertale and decisions and blah blah, but it's still worth a try.

It's not about whether we would manage to break the game or not
It's the desire to break it, scum would be aiming for the opposite.

OR

or

We fuck up because we give scums ideas on who to kill. I appreciate frostings for doing it but its not worth it at all

Frostings wrote: l110

also stop flavor claiming, I wanted an order

Its a sign that we're already fucking up

Thanks guys

Vote: Sakura

Way better vote btw

scum^

Tsukasa wrote: i3p

OR

or

We fuck up because we give scums ideas on who to kill. I appreciate frostings for doing it but its not worth it at all

Naaaah

Tsukasa wrote: i3p

Frostings wrote: l110

also stop flavor claiming, I wanted an order

Its a sign that we're already fucking up

Thanks guys

How is that a sign of already fucking up? he's still pro-mass flavor claim.

Tsukasa wrote: i3p

Vote: Sakura

Way better vote btw

As i said... scum's opposed to the idea of flavor breaking the game.
Vote: Tsukasa
or OMGUS, whichever's better.

Sakura y u make Seaboy waste all his time? He is so town tho it isn't funny.

Seaboy the real secret to finding scum is sheeping me all game.

beeboy123 wrote: 6u4d5c

Sakura y u make Seaboy waste all his time? He is so town tho it isn't funny.

He was the one who decided to do it like that, i only told him what to look for in people's posting.

Trying to break the gameflavour is great and all

But With what I experienced in another Undertale mafia (which I'm still not supposed to talk about)

I Highly doubt it

And how am i even supposed to know that? I never even played the game.

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

beeboy123 wrote: 6u4d5c

Sakura y u make Seaboy waste all his time? He is so town tho it isn't funny.

He was the one who decided to do it like that, i only told him what to look for in people's posting.

You confused him

Here's me calling anyone that doesnt have a townread on Tsukasa to vote this scum out of the earth.

vote: Sakura

You are really getting into this game Sakura o3o

beeboy123 wrote: 6u4d5c

vote: Sakura

You are really getting into this game Sakura o3o

Yes i am

O wait fuk wrong player

vote: Tsukasa

Ignore that Sakura vote everyone

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

And how am i even supposed to know that? I never even played the game.

Screw having played the game

Here's what I'm getting at

These are pretty much basic considerations into trying to break the game

1) If you're trying to break the game via flavor, Are you, for certain, without a doubt, that the flavor is very lore driven?
- most mods wouldn't do this. Its pretty stupid. Say that this was... I dunno... Fucking Naruto mafia and someone claimed... I dunno... Gaara or some asshole from the sand village. You'd normally think "Its Gaara he must be town" if you knew the flavor. BUT. ARE YOU FUCKING SURE HE'S TOWN? For all I know it can be a safeclaim, or even a mod provided fake claim. This happened a long time ago in Hunter x Hunter mafia.

2) Have you considered the possibilty of outing a role that you didn't want to get outed?
- You're pretty much giving scum the information they need.
A) You deny information on NK
B) You give scum a free
C) You just really destroyed town

3) Would you, In any sense, are 100% sure, that you can do it?
- Why even attempt it when you're 50-50 on it. "I maybe able to" =/= "I'm gonna be fucking nailing shit".

Ya'll are disgusting

answers to 1,2 and 3) Mod is Jess.

That's fucking mean

It's not mean, it's playing strategically outguess the mod.

We aren't winning the game through outsmart the mod.

Can you at least respect your mod?

I haven't played a Jess game but I'm pretty sure s/he's not that stupid

I mean sure it's possible this is a colossal waste of time.
But we can't really be sure of that until someone flips regardless.
I expect town to be in favor of flavor mass claim, as not being sure that alignment is tied to flavor, we also cant be necessarily sure roles are tied to flavor, but then again I never played the game so i would never know.

I'm not one for meta and relating this game to another game

You know that, right?

But after what I've experienced? Nu Uh I'm never gonna let this shit through

beeboy123 wrote: 6u4d5c

We aren't winning the game through outsmart the mod.

GIF almost broke a setup that is supposed to be Open by massclaim D1.
The only way i see jess not tying flavor to alignment is by pure random.org and i already mentioned it on a post earlier.
But even then, I don't see any harm in trying.

I honestly want to kill myself IRL

We are not claiming flavor.

and I do not want to discuss this any further

Instead

Frostings is town
Beebs is probably town

Sakura can die though

beeboy123 wrote: 6u4d5c

We are not claiming flavor.

You already claimed flavor.
I already claimed flavor.
i think MB already claimed flavor.

I kinda have a hard time seeing this stopping anytime soon.

Tsukasa wrote: i3p

Sakura can die though

I dare you try.

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

Tsukasa wrote: i3p

Sakura can die though

I dare you try.

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

beeboy123 wrote: 6u4d5c

We are not claiming flavor.

You already claimed flavor.
I already claimed flavor.
i think MB already claimed flavor.

I kinda have a hard time seeing this stopping anytime soon.

Don't trick people pls I haven't claimed anything.

*Where is snowin town?
*you ask
*In the end of the east,also
*although monsters are looks cute and innocent,they might not be a good monster
*please that

I have stuff to do today so I'll be back at night around same time as yesterday.
Hopefully I finish what I was doing and get something out of it.

Frostings wrote: l110

Hey, Sakura
Haven't played scum in a long time. How common are flavor fakeclaims for scum in mafia in general

Sakura please answer this it's critical

In the last 3 months I have played over a dozen theme games 1 did not have flavor fake claims the rest did

Frostings wrote: l110

Frostings wrote: l110

Hey, Sakura
Haven't played scum in a long time. How common are flavor fakeclaims for scum in mafia in general

Sakura please answer this it's critical

Mod dependant.
Fake Claims are usually mod given to match flavor so that scum that have no knowledge of flavor aren't at a disadvantage, it's also common in setups where it's alignment indicative for flavor.
Alternatively the mod may randomize flavor for alignment, but even then if your flavor gives you something like "Godfather" or "Strongman" and you have no knowledge of flavor the mod might give you a fake claim of another role that matches flavor but doesnt look scummy.

The most common way for fake claims is that the scum, picks a role and the mod gives them a fake claim based on the role they pick, it's not spoon fed, scum also gotta think it through.

huh is beeboy double voter?
Also
@Mod: order of votes is important

Sakura's saying we should break the game if we can. Tsukasa is saying that we can't necessarily do that with this setup.
I don't see any reason why there should be an exchange of votes for this. It's not telling of anything.

Zexion wrote: 11654m

Eeeehhh Flavor might be just spoilers for people who haven't played the game.

Anyways, Ace is scum.

Vote: Ace

damn you found me

gg the gig is up

have we all just been talking about flavor claiming so far? Cause that's completely pointless.

Vote: beefboy

seaboy's read intent, motivation, sincerity post is hilarious

beeboy123 wrote: 6u4d5c

I want to play Mafia not break the game through a flavour claim.

lmao

metal sonic1 wrote: 22506x

i am sans so i am automatically town

you guys need to stop my knees are weak

gonna go ahead and take a page out of frostings's book and call scum team rn

ms1 + beefboy

oh shit there's 3 scum

uhh...

I'll figure out the 3rd eventually

beeboy123 wrote: 6u4d5c

We aren't winning the game through outsmart the mod.

Outsmarting Jess is literally impossible. To outsmart, you've got to predict the reasoning, the path of cognition they naturally take, and stay a step ahead. Jess's reasoning is a complete mystery so even trying to outsmart her is a futile action.

tbh

Tsukasa wrote: i3p

Trying to break the gameflavour is great and all

But With what I experienced in another Undertale mafia (which I'm still not supposed to talk about)

I Highly doubt it

bruh

I had a theory with Sakura scumslipping regarding scum getting potential fakeclaims, but maybe it's unlikely

I agree with ace with his reads, actually. ms1 and beeboy sit at the top for me

Vote: metalsonic

I'm not seeing how tsu is thinking sakura is scum, making everyone flavor claim is kinda null.

Frostings wrote: l110

Vote: metalsonic

why ms > beefboy?

Ace Timing wrote: 36512t

why ms > beefboy?

beeboy is kinda trolling and my read on him is more gut feel than anything
I don't like how ms1 handled his flavor claim and I don't believe his description of his picture

that being said,
@Everyone: to what extent can we talk about the actual game Undertale
I feel like Jess might have made the roles and alignments similar to the personality of the characters in the game, so talking about the actual game is necessary
On the other hand, I don't wanna spoil the game for anyone, it's actually pretty good

I mean, I hope Jess made the setup necessarily spoiler-free, but it's somehow doubtful

Seaboy wtf every single post? Really?

Tsukasa wrote: i3p

OR

or

We fuck up because we give scums ideas on who to kill. I appreciate frostings for doing it but its not worth it at all

This is interesting, how would that possibly work? Because the whole thing of gaming the system by flavour is just to find who the "bad guys" are, nothing else.

Tsukasa wrote: i3p

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

And how am i even supposed to know that? I never even played the game.

Screw having played the game

Here's what I'm getting at

These are pretty much basic considerations into trying to break the game

1) If you're trying to break the game via flavor...

This is quite obvious btw, I think the flavor claiming idea was more or less an experiment but as I said -many posts ago- the nature of the flavor, Undertale, makes it already hard to say who is good and who is bad. This wall was completely unnecesary.

I still find it curious you would go so far to relate flavor to roles. I hope you weren't expecting to reveal the whole game by flavor, or that we would just trust that?

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

beeboy123 wrote: 6u4d5c

We aren't winning the game through outsmart the mod.

GIF almost broke a setup that is supposed to be Open by massclaim D1.
The only way i see jess not tying flavor to alignment is by pure random.org and i already mentioned it on a post earlier.
But even then, I don't see any harm in trying.

That was my game, and you guys sure love to break them >_<

Frostings wrote: l110

@Everyone: to what extent can we talk about the actual game Undertale
I feel like Jess might have made the roles and alignments similar to the personality of the characters in the game, so talking about the actual game is necessary
On the other hand, I don't wanna spoil the game for anyone, it's actually pretty good

Are you going to play mafia or try to figure everything by flavor? Ugh, I'd like this flavor spec to go away please...


FOS: Tsukasa


Ace is still scum.

Lets just say that we tried that already

And things

Went to shit

I would assume so if you tried to find out the roles by that.

And I want to believe Frostings only wanted to go for aligments.

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Zexion wrote: 11654m

I would assume so if you tried to find out the roles by that.

And I want to believe Frostings only wanted to go for aligments.

That's pretty much it.
And my Open example was meant to say that even the most experienced mods can make mistakes that lead to flavor breaking the game, just because, they are people, people can make mistakes.