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NaaaahTsukasa wrote: i3p
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We fuck up because we give scums ideas on who to kill. I appreciate frostings for doing it but its not worth it at all
How is that a sign of already fucking up? he's still pro-mass flavor claim.Tsukasa wrote: i3p
Its a sign that we're already fucking upFrostings wrote: l110
also stop flavor claiming, I wanted an order
Thanks guys
As i said... scum's opposed to the idea of flavor breaking the game.Tsukasa wrote: i3p
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or OMGUS, whichever's better.
Screw having played the gameSakura wrote: 1q3420
And how am i even supposed to know that? I never even played the game.
Here's what I'm getting at
These are pretty much basic considerations into trying to break the game
1) If you're trying to break the game via flavor, Are you, for certain, without a doubt, that the flavor is very lore driven?
- most mods wouldn't do this. Its pretty stupid. Say that this was... I dunno... Fucking Naruto mafia and someone claimed... I dunno... Gaara or some asshole from the sand village. You'd normally think "Its Gaara he must be town" if you knew the flavor. BUT. ARE YOU FUCKING SURE HE'S TOWN? For all I know it can be a safeclaim, or even a mod provided fake claim. This happened a long time ago in Hunter x Hunter mafia.
2) Have you considered the possibilty of outing a role that you didn't want to get outed?
- You're pretty much giving scum the information they need.
A) You deny information on NK
B) You give scum a free
C) You just really destroyed town
3) Would you, In any sense, are 100% sure, that you can do it?
- Why even attempt it when you're 50-50 on it. "I maybe able to" =/= "I'm gonna be fucking nailing shit".
I mean sure it's possible this is a colossal waste of time.
But we can't really be sure of that until someone flips regardless.
I expect town to be in favor of flavor mass claim, as not being sure that alignment is tied to flavor, we also cant be necessarily sure roles are tied to flavor, but then again I never played the game so i would never know.
But we can't really be sure of that until someone flips regardless.
I expect town to be in favor of flavor mass claim, as not being sure that alignment is tied to flavor, we also cant be necessarily sure roles are tied to flavor, but then again I never played the game so i would never know.
GIF almost broke a setup that is supposed to be Open by massclaim D1.beeboy123 wrote: 6u4d5c
We aren't winning the game through outsmart the mod.
The only way i see jess not tying flavor to alignment is by pure random.org and i already mentioned it on a post earlier.
But even then, I don't see any harm in trying.
*Where is snowin town?
*you ask
*In the end of the east,also
*although monsters are looks cute and innocent,they might not be a good monster
*please that
*you ask
*In the end of the east,also
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[2]Tsukasa - beeboy123,Sakura
[2]Ace Timing - NoHitter,Zexion
[1]Aomi - seaboy321
[1]Frostings - Aomi
[1]Sakura - Tsukasa
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Mod dependant.Frostings wrote: l110
Sakura please answer this it's criticalFrostings wrote: l110
Hey, Sakura
Haven't played scum in a long time. How common are flavor fakeclaims for scum in mafia in general
Fake Claims are usually mod given to match flavor so that scum that have no knowledge of flavor aren't at a disadvantage, it's also common in setups where it's alignment indicative for flavor.
Alternatively the mod may randomize flavor for alignment, but even then if your flavor gives you something like "Godfather" or "Strongman" and you have no knowledge of flavor the mod might give you a fake claim of another role that matches flavor but doesnt look scummy.
I'll figure out the 3rd eventually
tbh
Outsmarting Jess is literally impossible. To outsmart, you've got to predict the reasoning, the path of cognition they naturally take, and stay a step ahead. Jess's reasoning is a complete mystery so even trying to outsmart her is a futile action.beeboy123 wrote: 6u4d5c
We aren't winning the game through outsmart the mod.
tbh
beeboy is kinda trolling and my read on him is more gut feel than anythingAce Timing wrote: 36512t
why ms > beefboy?
I don't like how ms1 handled his flavor claim and I don't believe his description of his picture
that being said,
@Everyone: to what extent can we talk about the actual game Undertale
I feel like Jess might have made the roles and alignments similar to the personality of the characters in the game, so talking about the actual game is necessary
On the other hand, I don't wanna spoil the game for anyone, it's actually pretty good
Seaboy wtf every single post? Really?
I still find it curious you would go so far to relate flavor to roles. I hope you weren't expecting to reveal the whole game by flavor, or that we would just trust that?
FOS: Tsukasa
Ace is still scum.
This is interesting, how would that possibly work? Because the whole thing of gaming the system by flavour is just to find who the "bad guys" are, nothing else.Tsukasa wrote: i3p
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We fuck up because we give scums ideas on who to kill. I appreciate frostings for doing it but its not worth it at all
This is quite obvious btw, I think the flavor claiming idea was more or less an experiment but as I said -many posts ago- the nature of the flavor, Undertale, makes it already hard to say who is good and who is bad. This wall was completely unnecesary.Tsukasa wrote: i3p
Screw having played the gameSakura wrote: 1q3420
And how am i even supposed to know that? I never even played the game.
Here's what I'm getting at
These are pretty much basic considerations into trying to break the game
1) If you're trying to break the game via flavor...
I still find it curious you would go so far to relate flavor to roles. I hope you weren't expecting to reveal the whole game by flavor, or that we would just trust that?
That was my game, and you guys sure love to break them >_<Sakura wrote: 1q3420
GIF almost broke a setup that is supposed to be Open by massclaim D1.beeboy123 wrote: 6u4d5c
We aren't winning the game through outsmart the mod.
The only way i see jess not tying flavor to alignment is by pure random.org and i already mentioned it on a post earlier.
But even then, I don't see any harm in trying.
Are you going to play mafia or try to figure everything by flavor? Ugh, I'd like this flavor spec to go away please...Frostings wrote: l110
@Everyone: to what extent can we talk about the actual game Undertale
I feel like Jess might have made the roles and alignments similar to the personality of the characters in the game, so talking about the actual game is necessary
On the other hand, I don't wanna spoil the game for anyone, it's actually pretty good
FOS: Tsukasa
Ace is still scum.
@Mod: here you go, free ISOS:
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That's pretty much it.Zexion wrote: 11654m
I would assume so if you tried to find out the roles by that.
And I want to believe Frostings only wanted to go for aligments.
And my Open example was meant to say that even the most experienced mods can make mistakes that lead to flavor breaking the game, just because, they are people, people can make mistakes.
Not necessarily, it may mislead scum as much as help them.Tsukasa wrote: i3p
Nah it was for alignments and trying to break the gameZexion wrote: 11654m
And I want to believe Frostings only wanted to go for aligments.
What happened was it failed horribly, everything was outed, etc etc.
Persona 4 mafia on MS my character was Yukiko who's very known in the game for healing spells and scum targeted me thinking i was a doctor when i was actually a VT.
In the meantime flavor claiming doesnt hurt at all.
Interesting thing tho, you say that people tried to flavor break the game before and it was led by scum, yet Zexion here says that the way the game is flavor may mean nothing in of alignments, if this is true then how did that happen in whichever game you were?
In addition, i'll always endorese any path that will lead to a town win, even if it's not a commonly used one like breaking the game.
In addition, i'll always endorese any path that will lead to a town win, even if it's not a commonly used one like breaking the game.
I am against basing everything on your flavor plan. Because it will probably lead nowhere.Frostings wrote: l110
one strategy of playing mafia is to setup spec, I don't know why any town would be against itZexion wrote: 11654m
Are you going to play mafia or try to figure everything by flavor? Ugh, I'd like this flavor spec to go away please...
Frostings, I feel like you are trying to make a flavor claim look more useful than it actually would turn out. By more useful I mean even tad useful, because it wouldn't give us anything at all. The only thing it'd achieve is: 1. We would know players' characters, which means we could try guessing their roles, which is complete opposite of useful for Town. 2. (You think) you will look good in players' eyes because you started something you believe was the way to go (you're miserably failing though). 3. We'd waste time by actually doing that.
Which means the only thing that's being achieved, no matter whether the claim goes through or not, is number 2, which means the only motivation you had behind that claim was your own self-interest. If I had to guess, you have a character that would be easily associated with Town in this game, so you'd gain something nonetheless even if we claimed and you'd manage to successfully convince people that flavor is important (when it's not).
From what I read on Undertale Wiki my character would fit both as Town and Mafia flavor-wise. I will not be bringing up this topic again and anyone who does so will look suspicious in my eyes.
Which means the only thing that's being achieved, no matter whether the claim goes through or not, is number 2, which means the only motivation you had behind that claim was your own self-interest. If I had to guess, you have a character that would be easily associated with Town in this game, so you'd gain something nonetheless even if we claimed and you'd manage to successfully convince people that flavor is important (when it's not).
From what I read on Undertale Wiki my character would fit both as Town and Mafia flavor-wise. I will not be bringing up this topic again and anyone who does so will look suspicious in my eyes.
I'm not trying to role fish, if that's what you're saying
I can guess flavor isn't role-indicative at all from my own role pm
Alignment though is something I'm curious about, and claiming flavor will take no time at all (we have like 10 days still), and we can decide if the information is useful once everyone has their claims out
I can guess flavor isn't role-indicative at all from my own role pm
Alignment though is something I'm curious about, and claiming flavor will take no time at all (we have like 10 days still), and we can decide if the information is useful once everyone has their claims out
Did you miss the part where i flavor claimed in one game and scum wasted an action on a VT thinking i was doc? Flavor guessing isnt as easy as you might think.fartownik wrote: 64d9
Frostings, I feel like you are trying to make a flavor claim look more useful than it actually would turn out. By more useful I mean even tad useful, because it wouldn't give us anything at all. The only thing it'd achieve is: 1. We would know players' characters, which means we could try guessing their roles, which is complete opposite of useful for Town. 2. (You think) you will look good in players' eyes because you started something you believe was the way to go (you're miserably failing though). 3. We'd waste time by actually doing that.
Which means the only thing that's being achieved, no matter whether the claim goes through or not, is number 2, which means the only motivation you had behind that claim was your own self-interest. If I had to guess, you have a character that would be easily associated with Town in this game, so you'd gain something nonetheless even if we claimed and you'd manage to successfully convince people that flavor is important (when it's not).
From what I read on Undertale Wiki my character would fit both as Town and Mafia flavor-wise. I will not be bringing up this topic again and anyone who does so will look suspicious in my eyes.
I might as well be suspicious than fall back on my beliefs.fartownik wrote: 64d9
From what I read on Undertale Wiki my character would fit both as Town and Mafia flavor-wise. I will not be bringing up this topic again and anyone who does so will look suspicious in my eyes.
But i suggest you start scumhunting instead of "those who believe in flavor breaking" hunting.
Frostings gets it.Frostings wrote: l110
I'm not trying to role fish, if that's what you're saying
I can guess flavor isn't role-indicative at all from my own role pm
Alignment though is something I'm curious about, and claiming flavor will take no time at all (we have like 10 days still), and we can decide if the information is useful once everyone has their claims out
MBomb
I thought this.Frostings wrote: l110
I feel like Jess is ionate about this game (Undertale)
Wouldn't it be weird if she made it such that, say, a character in the game who is malicious and deceptive, and his main philosophy is "kill or be killed" turned out to be a town character?
I was wrong.
MBomb
for my own sanityZexion wrote: 11654m
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