Zexion wrote: 11654m

Are you going to play mafia or try to figure everything by flavor? Ugh, I'd like this flavor spec to go away please...

one strategy of playing mafia is to setup spec, I don't know why any town would be against it

Sorry, I completely forgot about this game.

Glanced over most of the posts, didn't read the last two pages. seaboy is town, Sakura is probably Town, Tsukasa is probably Town, Ace seemed Townish. Frostings is scum.

Vote: Frostings

I'm gonna back tomorrow because it's really late now and I have to sleep

I'd rather be lynched then mass flavour claim.

I need to review why I am voting Tsukasa

fartownik wrote: 64d9

Sorry, I completely forgot about this game.

Glanced over most of the posts, didn't read the last two pages. seaboy is town, Sakura is probably Town, Tsukasa is probably Town, Ace seemed Townish. Frostings is scum.

Vote: Frostings

((ᕦ(ò_óˇᕦ)
fight me fartow

Frostings wrote: l110

Zexion wrote: 11654m

Are you going to play mafia or try to figure everything by flavor? Ugh, I'd like this flavor spec to go away please...

one strategy of playing mafia is to setup spec, I don't know why any town would be against it

I am against basing everything on your flavor plan. Because it will probably lead nowhere.

I mean, I totally wouldn't lynch someone just because they claim they're the main antagonist in the game

I feel like Jess is ionate about this game (Undertale)
Wouldn't it be weird if she made it such that, say, a character in the game who is malicious and deceptive, and his main philosophy is "kill or be killed" turned out to be a town character?

Zexion wrote: 11654m

I am against basing everything on your flavor plan. Because it will probably lead nowhere.

What's the downside?

Frostings, I feel like you are trying to make a flavor claim look more useful than it actually would turn out. By more useful I mean even tad useful, because it wouldn't give us anything at all. The only thing it'd achieve is: 1. We would know players' characters, which means we could try guessing their roles, which is complete opposite of useful for Town. 2. (You think) you will look good in players' eyes because you started something you believe was the way to go (you're miserably failing though). 3. We'd waste time by actually doing that.

Which means the only thing that's being achieved, no matter whether the claim goes through or not, is number 2, which means the only motivation you had behind that claim was your own self-interest. If I had to guess, you have a character that would be easily associated with Town in this game, so you'd gain something nonetheless even if we claimed and you'd manage to successfully convince people that flavor is important (when it's not).

From what I read on Undertale Wiki my character would fit both as Town and Mafia flavor-wise. I will not be bringing up this topic again and anyone who does so will look suspicious in my eyes.

I'm not trying to role fish, if that's what you're saying
I can guess flavor isn't role-indicative at all from my own role pm

Alignment though is something I'm curious about, and claiming flavor will take no time at all (we have like 10 days still), and we can decide if the information is useful once everyone has their claims out

fartownik wrote: 64d9

Frostings, I feel like you are trying to make a flavor claim look more useful than it actually would turn out. By more useful I mean even tad useful, because it wouldn't give us anything at all. The only thing it'd achieve is: 1. We would know players' characters, which means we could try guessing their roles, which is complete opposite of useful for Town. 2. (You think) you will look good in players' eyes because you started something you believe was the way to go (you're miserably failing though). 3. We'd waste time by actually doing that.

Which means the only thing that's being achieved, no matter whether the claim goes through or not, is number 2, which means the only motivation you had behind that claim was your own self-interest. If I had to guess, you have a character that would be easily associated with Town in this game, so you'd gain something nonetheless even if we claimed and you'd manage to successfully convince people that flavor is important (when it's not).

From what I read on Undertale Wiki my character would fit both as Town and Mafia flavor-wise. I will not be bringing up this topic again and anyone who does so will look suspicious in my eyes.

Did you miss the part where i flavor claimed in one game and scum wasted an action on a VT thinking i was doc? Flavor guessing isnt as easy as you might think.

fartownik wrote: 64d9

From what I read on Undertale Wiki my character would fit both as Town and Mafia flavor-wise. I will not be bringing up this topic again and anyone who does so will look suspicious in my eyes.

I might as well be suspicious than fall back on my beliefs.
But i suggest you start scumhunting instead of "those who believe in flavor breaking" hunting.

Frostings wrote: l110

I'm not trying to role fish, if that's what you're saying
I can guess flavor isn't role-indicative at all from my own role pm

Alignment though is something I'm curious about, and claiming flavor will take no time at all (we have like 10 days still), and we can decide if the information is useful once everyone has their claims out

Frostings gets it.

Frostings wrote: l110

I feel like Jess is ionate about this game (Undertale)
Wouldn't it be weird if she made it such that, say, a character in the game who is malicious and deceptive, and his main philosophy is "kill or be killed" turned out to be a town character?

I thought this.

I was wrong.

The second part, not the first part.

Also why the hell is no one voting me.

I'm literally never quiet, the fact I'm barely talking this game should've got at least one vote on me.

You guys are getting distracted far too much by this flavour thing.

Let's flavour claim and move on with the the game.
My character is flowey.

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

Also why the hell is no one voting me.

I'm literally never quiet, the fact I'm barely talking this game should've got at least one vote on me.

You guys are getting distracted far too much by this flavour thing.

Sorry im too busy voting scum.

I having a growing temptation to vote Mbomb for asking for it.
I wish I could call Ace town but his scum read on me is terrible :'(

Vote: Tsukass

where's my vote right now

Vote: beeboy
KILL OR BE KILLEDDD

you know with all these votes flying around, someone could be already lynched and we wouldn't even know it

Zexion wrote: 11654m

Monsters:

1. Aomi
2. - Magic Bomb -
3. Zexion
4. Tsukasa
5. Ace Timing
6. fartownik
7. Frostings
8. NoHitter
9. Sakura
10. metal sonic1
11. beeboy123
12. seaboy312

for my own sanity

[3] Tsukasa: Sakura, ms1, beeboy
[2] Frostings: Aomi, fartownik
[2] beeboy: Ace, Frostings
[2] Ace: Zexion, NoHitter
[1] Sakura: Tsukasa
[1] Aomi: seaboy

Not Voting: MB

again, for my own sanity

Also, while looking at ISOs

Aomi wrote: 2q6w66

vote: frostings

hello old friend we meet again

who even are you

^ pretty sure this guy forgot this game exists

Who should I vote guys?

seaboy's intent post seems to be trying too hard.
Tsukasa and Sakura is probably town v town.
The rest is a blur

NoHitter wrote: 262z5z

Who should I vote guys?

seaboy's intent post seems to be trying too hard.
Tsukasa and Sakura is probably town v town.
The rest is a blur

I think you just answered your own question.

NoHitter wrote: 262z5z

Who should I vote guys?

seaboy's intent post seems to be trying too hard.
Tsukasa and Sakura is probably town v town.
The rest is a blur

Trying too hard is NAI at best...

Vote: Beeboy

for claiming to be the character that i am

i do find it very interesting that he claimed the same character as me despite the fact i had quite obviously hinted that i was flowey, though.

I assumed that would be scum flavour and I wanted to see how people reacted LOL

My real flavour is Papyrus.

lynch all liars

Why would anyone claim a false flavor when a flavor mass claim is currently being considered lol

So will a flavor massclaim even work?

Basically these are the main characters:
There are 10 of them all in all. That means we're still missing two characters for the remaining 2 people. This means there will be at least two from the side characters.

IMO this tells me that we're not going to get anything substantial from this.

can i just kill you all for still discussing flavor claim

also Vote: beeboy123

He's got 4 votes iirc, 2 more and he's lynched.

Frostings wrote: l110

Also, while looking at ISOs

Aomi wrote: 2q6w66

vote: frostings

hello old friend we meet again

who even are you

wow
i played greatest idea mafia with you ??
i see how it is ):

also knowing jess she'd probably make flowey a town chara or something

im tired will re-read everything later zz

Aomi wrote: 2q6w66

wow
i played greatest idea mafia with you ??
i see how it is ):

also knowing jess she'd probably make flowey a town chara or something

im tired will re-read everything later zz

are you Mafia with Magic Bomb? )))))

I would say something to stop my lynch but I don't have scum reads and I don't know why people think I am scum.

fart glad to see you're town this game

But can we at least get sakura first?

Very glad farto gets it, just one more thing to address and I'll never speak about this again:

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

Zexion wrote: 11654m

I am against basing everything on your flavor plan. Because it will probably lead nowhere.

What's the downside?

What's happening right now. Everyone so worried about flavor we neglect everything else.

beeboy123 wrote: 6u4d5c

I would say something to stop my lynch but I don't have scum reads and I don't know why people think I am scum.

I still don't get the town logic of denying a flavor claim, then claiming and lying about your flavor. Maybe explain what was your idea?

NoHitter wrote: 262z5z

Who should I vote guys?

seaboy's intent post seems to be trying too hard.
Tsukasa and Sakura is probably town v town.
The rest is a blur

This ive attitude is starting to bother me. I didn't think you would do what you said so literally.

That's not a downside, that's a side effect of being stubborn.

Like stop assuming things that havent happened yet, everyone flavor claims, we get nothing? we move on, we get something? it was worth it. The only reason everyone's talking about it is because everyone's refusing.

Fakeclaiming flavour wouldn't have been a problem, to me, if I hadn't very clearly pointed to it being my character just a post earlier.

Well technically 3 posts earlier but all of those posts were by me so it's easier to just class it as one post.

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

That's not a downside, that's a side effect of being stubborn.

And being stubborn of pushing the flavor claim tho people disagreed?

I still don't see how we can possibly break this game that way.

Zexion wrote: 11654m

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

That's not a downside, that's a side effect of being stubborn.

And being stubborn of pushing the flavor claim tho people disagreed?

I still don't see how we can possibly break this game that way.

Well it's kinda hard to see something without the info to take that conclusion sooo

Zexion wrote: 11654m

If Jess actually related flavor with aligments... then there aren't that many "bad" characters to begin with. Depends on your definition of bad, so it's kinda ambiguous for undertale.

Everyone claims, ok, who is scum? Would you dare lynching someone based on that?

I don't really want to discuss this any further...

As I said we wont know until we try.

who on earth is Chara

Aomi wrote: 2q6w66

wow
i played greatest idea mafia with you ??
i see how it is ):

Oh I don't even that game, I died N1 as a third party and lost interest in it
my bad

Here's my thought on flavor claims
1. everyone claims flavor

2. If a fishy claim comes up we have a nice friendly discussion about it
otherwise we go about with our lives

3. if, after a few flips it's starting to look like flavor might play a role in alignment we lynch accordingly to test the theory
otherwise, we forget about it

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

Fakeclaiming flavour wouldn't have been a problem, to me, if I hadn't very clearly pointed to it being my character just a post earlier.

Why didn't you ask me why I thought Aomi is Mafia with you

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

Fakeclaiming flavour wouldn't have been a problem, to me, if I hadn't very clearly pointed to it being my character just a post earlier.

Wait why does me not paying attention make it a problem o3o

yeah I don't know why mb is making a big deal about him hinting about it when I don't know what post he's even referring to

vote: mbomb

Ye this doesn't make sense to me

fartownik wrote: 64d9

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

Fakeclaiming flavour wouldn't have been a problem, to me, if I hadn't very clearly pointed to it being my character just a post earlier.

Why didn't you ask me why I thought Aomi is Mafia with you

Aomi wrote: 2q6w66

also knowing jess she'd probably make flowey a town chara or something

im tired will re-read everything later zz

I thought it was because of this post?

beeboy123 wrote: 6u4d5c

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

Fakeclaiming flavour wouldn't have been a problem, to me, if I hadn't very clearly pointed to it being my character just a post earlier.

Wait why does me not paying attention make it a problem o3o

When is not paying attention a good thing wtf

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

Frostings wrote: l110

I feel like Jess is ionate about this game (Undertale)
Wouldn't it be weird if she made it such that, say, a character in the game who is malicious and deceptive, and his main philosophy is "kill or be killed" turned out to be a town character?

I thought this.

I was wrong.

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

The second part, not the first part.

This is what I meant by me strongly hinting at claiming flowey, btw.

I'm disliking how little thought seems to be going into beeboy and Frostings's posts, by the way.

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

When is not paying attention a good thing wtf

When is not paying attention a scum tell? You aren't looking for scum you are finding things you don't like.

Sorry for fencesitting on this but...
Im not sure if magic bomb is scum picking on a weakpoint or town thinking that something they dislike = scum.

Meanwhile Tsukasa is still scum.

Regardless mbomb's attack on beeboy is weak, nothing in there points to beeboy being scum, unless you think he was scum fake reaction testing. And if you're arguing that flavor is irrelevant then HOW THE FUCK do you think scum would claim the exact same character you have. Do you think beeboy's master scum plan was to "Oh hey let's fake claim a character someone's probably going to have to make a point about flavor and reaction test people"

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

I thought it was because of this post?

I meant why didn't you ask me why I think she's scum with you, you didn't address that. If you were Town you'd ask why I'm thinking you may be scum with Aomi instead of ignoring my accusation.

fartownik wrote: 64d9

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

I thought it was because of this post?

I meant why didn't you ask me why I think she's scum with you, you didn't address that. If you were Town you'd ask why I'm thinking you may be scum with Aomi instead of ignoring my accusation.

Because with me, as someone who was claiming flowey, that makes sense to make that comment. I did address exactly that.

beeboy123 wrote: 6u4d5c

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

When is not paying attention a good thing wtf

When is not paying attention a scum tell? You aren't looking for scum you are finding things you don't like.

Well because things I don't like are things that aren't beneficial to town, and I'd have thought town would want to help out town.
Not paying attention is a story I don't believe, you're just using that as an excuse to miss out information, simple.

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

Because with me, as someone who was claiming flowey, that makes sense to make that comment. I did address exactly that.

Nononono, you said nothing until you were called out by me. Do you even understand what I'm trying to say?

fartownik wrote: 64d9

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

Because with me, as someone who was claiming flowey, that makes sense to make that comment. I did address exactly that.

Nononono, you said nothing until you were called out by me. Do you even understand what I'm trying to say?

Honestly, I don't get what you're saying. At that stage I had already hinted strongly at being flowey, if you didn't realise I was hinting at that, then yeah, I don't understand, but I assumed that's why you said that. If you want to explain otherwise then I'm all ears, but honestly I considered it as more of a joke post at the time.

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

Well because things I don't like are things that aren't beneficial to town, and I'd have thought town would want to help out town.
Not paying attention is a story I don't believe, you're just using that as an excuse to miss out information, simple.

What I was doing wasn't even anti town I was reaction testing......

Town vote this pls.

No one is this misguided. To just ignore what Sakura posted and continue to vote me for NAI reasons.

I love how MB conveniently skips over my post
Vote: mbomb

Good job Sakura ^_^

And sorry "wasnt paying attention" doesnt fly since you said yourself that you're voting beeboy and not believing he "wasnt paying attention" funny how it works doesnt it.

Also Seaboy I know I said Sakura was a good player but don't you dare make on of those weird wall posts again.

I am starting to think Mbomb could just be really horribly misguided because he pushes me for no reason every game. But idk what stops him from doing the same as scum and nothing else in his posts make me think town :/

Gawd I suck at reading Osu players as scum. Maybe I should town hunt...

Oh yeah
@seaboy: the things you did in your wall you kinda need to do in your head and come to a conclusion, motivation can either be town motive or scum motive, also town in general tends to be more honest while scum needs to fake honesty.
In addition i saw you asked what's a FOS it's called "Finger of Suspicion" think of it as a tier below a vote.

If you're gonna call me out for not responding to posts which literally make NO FUCKING SENSE, then fine, i guess i'll respond.

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

Regardless mbomb's attack on beeboy is weak, nothing in there points to beeboy being scum, unless you think he was scum fake reaction testing. And if you're arguing that flavor is irrelevant then HOW THE FUCK do you think scum would claim the exact same character you have. Do you think beeboy's master scum plan was to "Oh hey let's fake claim a character someone's probably going to have to make a point about flavor and reaction test people"

Think about it this way, what he did makes absolutely no sense from a town perspective. Whilst it may not make much sense from a scum perspective, there is a little bit of sense from a scum perspective as your first point implies.

Please think a tiny bit.

By the way, you don't want to lynch me.

Your point is weak unless you can tie it to why would scum do what he did.
Until then you saying "there's scum motivation" without saying what the scum motivation is it's an empty vote and case.

Well as I said, scum motivation seems to be trying to get someone else to flavour claim that character, because that character is commonly renowned as being a bad guy, so to that logic, people could try and use that flavour to get a mislynch on someone, as they know none of the actual mafia team are that character.

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

Well as I said, scum motivation seems to be trying to get someone else to flavour claim that character, because that character is commonly renowned as being a bad guy, so to that logic, people could try and use that flavour to get a mislynch on someone, as they know none of the actual mafia team are that character.

So lemme get this straight.
You say that beeboy fake claimed a character to get the real person with that character to claim and frame them to get them mislynched.
Instead of the real player with that character staying quiet and letting beeboy eat a lynch since it's a commonly renowned as a bad guy.
Doesn't make sense to me.

Basically your logic makes sense if beeboy had done it with the intent of getting the player to claim.

But beeboy cant predict whether they'll counter claim the character or not, and if their intent was to use the "bad guy" appearance of the claim to earn a mislynch they risk getting lynched themselves if the real player stays quiet.

No gain for scum.

What DOES however make more sense is for beeboy to be doing as he stated... reaction testing by claiming a character that has a "bad guy" apperance.

(And sure scum can fake reaction testing, but what i mean is that it's a null tell not a scum tell).

But mbomb is always scum

I have a hunch

What sort of hunch?

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

Well as I said, scum motivation seems to be trying to get someone else to flavour claim that character, because that character is commonly renowned as being a bad guy, so to that logic, people could try and use that flavour to get a mislynch on someone, as they know none of the actual mafia team are that character.

So lemme get this straight.
You say that beeboy fake claimed a character to get the real person with that character to claim and frame them to get them mislynched.
Instead of the real player with that character staying quiet and letting beeboy eat a lynch since it's a commonly renowned as a bad guy.
Doesn't make sense to me.

As you said yourself, it was very likely someone had this character, and surely the person with this character would counterclaim because of someone fakeclaiming flavour.

That was in response to the whole thing btw, I was just too lazy to quote every message.

So basically you're saying that scum was enabled to mislynch you because you counter claimed.

Enphasis on you counterclaimed.

This is something YOU did, no one forced you to do it, did beeboy point a gun at your head to counter claim?

If you saw it as "scum wanting to use the flavor to mislynch you"
Then why the heck didnt you let them get lynched on the very same flavor?

Your action progress doesnt make any sense.

I mean... I thought it was scum flavour so I expected no one to cc me.