Very glad farto gets it, just one more thing to address and I'll never speak about this again:

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

Zexion wrote: 11654m

I am against basing everything on your flavor plan. Because it will probably lead nowhere.

What's the downside?

What's happening right now. Everyone so worried about flavor we neglect everything else.

beeboy123 wrote: 6u4d5c

I would say something to stop my lynch but I don't have scum reads and I don't know why people think I am scum.

I still don't get the town logic of denying a flavor claim, then claiming and lying about your flavor. Maybe explain what was your idea?

NoHitter wrote: 262z5z

Who should I vote guys?

seaboy's intent post seems to be trying too hard.
Tsukasa and Sakura is probably town v town.
The rest is a blur

This ive attitude is starting to bother me. I didn't think you would do what you said so literally.

That's not a downside, that's a side effect of being stubborn.

Like stop assuming things that havent happened yet, everyone flavor claims, we get nothing? we move on, we get something? it was worth it. The only reason everyone's talking about it is because everyone's refusing.

Fakeclaiming flavour wouldn't have been a problem, to me, if I hadn't very clearly pointed to it being my character just a post earlier.

Well technically 3 posts earlier but all of those posts were by me so it's easier to just class it as one post.

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

That's not a downside, that's a side effect of being stubborn.

And being stubborn of pushing the flavor claim tho people disagreed?

I still don't see how we can possibly break this game that way.

Zexion wrote: 11654m

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

That's not a downside, that's a side effect of being stubborn.

And being stubborn of pushing the flavor claim tho people disagreed?

I still don't see how we can possibly break this game that way.

Well it's kinda hard to see something without the info to take that conclusion sooo

Zexion wrote: 11654m

If Jess actually related flavor with aligments... then there aren't that many "bad" characters to begin with. Depends on your definition of bad, so it's kinda ambiguous for undertale.

Everyone claims, ok, who is scum? Would you dare lynching someone based on that?

I don't really want to discuss this any further...

As I said we wont know until we try.

who on earth is Chara

Aomi wrote: 2q6w66

wow
i played greatest idea mafia with you ??
i see how it is ):

Oh I don't even that game, I died N1 as a third party and lost interest in it
my bad

Here's my thought on flavor claims
1. everyone claims flavor

2. If a fishy claim comes up we have a nice friendly discussion about it
otherwise we go about with our lives

3. if, after a few flips it's starting to look like flavor might play a role in alignment we lynch accordingly to test the theory
otherwise, we forget about it

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

Fakeclaiming flavour wouldn't have been a problem, to me, if I hadn't very clearly pointed to it being my character just a post earlier.

Why didn't you ask me why I thought Aomi is Mafia with you

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

Fakeclaiming flavour wouldn't have been a problem, to me, if I hadn't very clearly pointed to it being my character just a post earlier.

Wait why does me not paying attention make it a problem o3o

yeah I don't know why mb is making a big deal about him hinting about it when I don't know what post he's even referring to

vote: mbomb

Ye this doesn't make sense to me

fartownik wrote: 64d9

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

Fakeclaiming flavour wouldn't have been a problem, to me, if I hadn't very clearly pointed to it being my character just a post earlier.

Why didn't you ask me why I thought Aomi is Mafia with you

Aomi wrote: 2q6w66

also knowing jess she'd probably make flowey a town chara or something

im tired will re-read everything later zz

I thought it was because of this post?

beeboy123 wrote: 6u4d5c

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

Fakeclaiming flavour wouldn't have been a problem, to me, if I hadn't very clearly pointed to it being my character just a post earlier.

Wait why does me not paying attention make it a problem o3o

When is not paying attention a good thing wtf

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

Frostings wrote: l110

I feel like Jess is ionate about this game (Undertale)
Wouldn't it be weird if she made it such that, say, a character in the game who is malicious and deceptive, and his main philosophy is "kill or be killed" turned out to be a town character?

I thought this.

I was wrong.

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

The second part, not the first part.

This is what I meant by me strongly hinting at claiming flowey, btw.

I'm disliking how little thought seems to be going into beeboy and Frostings's posts, by the way.

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

When is not paying attention a good thing wtf

When is not paying attention a scum tell? You aren't looking for scum you are finding things you don't like.

Sorry for fencesitting on this but...
Im not sure if magic bomb is scum picking on a weakpoint or town thinking that something they dislike = scum.

Meanwhile Tsukasa is still scum.

Regardless mbomb's attack on beeboy is weak, nothing in there points to beeboy being scum, unless you think he was scum fake reaction testing. And if you're arguing that flavor is irrelevant then HOW THE FUCK do you think scum would claim the exact same character you have. Do you think beeboy's master scum plan was to "Oh hey let's fake claim a character someone's probably going to have to make a point about flavor and reaction test people"

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

I thought it was because of this post?

I meant why didn't you ask me why I think she's scum with you, you didn't address that. If you were Town you'd ask why I'm thinking you may be scum with Aomi instead of ignoring my accusation.

fartownik wrote: 64d9

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

I thought it was because of this post?

I meant why didn't you ask me why I think she's scum with you, you didn't address that. If you were Town you'd ask why I'm thinking you may be scum with Aomi instead of ignoring my accusation.

Because with me, as someone who was claiming flowey, that makes sense to make that comment. I did address exactly that.

beeboy123 wrote: 6u4d5c

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

When is not paying attention a good thing wtf

When is not paying attention a scum tell? You aren't looking for scum you are finding things you don't like.

Well because things I don't like are things that aren't beneficial to town, and I'd have thought town would want to help out town.
Not paying attention is a story I don't believe, you're just using that as an excuse to miss out information, simple.

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

Because with me, as someone who was claiming flowey, that makes sense to make that comment. I did address exactly that.

Nononono, you said nothing until you were called out by me. Do you even understand what I'm trying to say?

fartownik wrote: 64d9

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

Because with me, as someone who was claiming flowey, that makes sense to make that comment. I did address exactly that.

Nononono, you said nothing until you were called out by me. Do you even understand what I'm trying to say?

Honestly, I don't get what you're saying. At that stage I had already hinted strongly at being flowey, if you didn't realise I was hinting at that, then yeah, I don't understand, but I assumed that's why you said that. If you want to explain otherwise then I'm all ears, but honestly I considered it as more of a joke post at the time.

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

Well because things I don't like are things that aren't beneficial to town, and I'd have thought town would want to help out town.
Not paying attention is a story I don't believe, you're just using that as an excuse to miss out information, simple.

What I was doing wasn't even anti town I was reaction testing......

Town vote this pls.

No one is this misguided. To just ignore what Sakura posted and continue to vote me for NAI reasons.

I love how MB conveniently skips over my post
Vote: mbomb

Good job Sakura ^_^

And sorry "wasnt paying attention" doesnt fly since you said yourself that you're voting beeboy and not believing he "wasnt paying attention" funny how it works doesnt it.

Also Seaboy I know I said Sakura was a good player but don't you dare make on of those weird wall posts again.

I am starting to think Mbomb could just be really horribly misguided because he pushes me for no reason every game. But idk what stops him from doing the same as scum and nothing else in his posts make me think town :/

Gawd I suck at reading Osu players as scum. Maybe I should town hunt...

Oh yeah
@seaboy: the things you did in your wall you kinda need to do in your head and come to a conclusion, motivation can either be town motive or scum motive, also town in general tends to be more honest while scum needs to fake honesty.
In addition i saw you asked what's a FOS it's called "Finger of Suspicion" think of it as a tier below a vote.

If you're gonna call me out for not responding to posts which literally make NO FUCKING SENSE, then fine, i guess i'll respond.

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

Regardless mbomb's attack on beeboy is weak, nothing in there points to beeboy being scum, unless you think he was scum fake reaction testing. And if you're arguing that flavor is irrelevant then HOW THE FUCK do you think scum would claim the exact same character you have. Do you think beeboy's master scum plan was to "Oh hey let's fake claim a character someone's probably going to have to make a point about flavor and reaction test people"

Think about it this way, what he did makes absolutely no sense from a town perspective. Whilst it may not make much sense from a scum perspective, there is a little bit of sense from a scum perspective as your first point implies.

Please think a tiny bit.

By the way, you don't want to lynch me.

Your point is weak unless you can tie it to why would scum do what he did.
Until then you saying "there's scum motivation" without saying what the scum motivation is it's an empty vote and case.

Well as I said, scum motivation seems to be trying to get someone else to flavour claim that character, because that character is commonly renowned as being a bad guy, so to that logic, people could try and use that flavour to get a mislynch on someone, as they know none of the actual mafia team are that character.

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

Well as I said, scum motivation seems to be trying to get someone else to flavour claim that character, because that character is commonly renowned as being a bad guy, so to that logic, people could try and use that flavour to get a mislynch on someone, as they know none of the actual mafia team are that character.

So lemme get this straight.
You say that beeboy fake claimed a character to get the real person with that character to claim and frame them to get them mislynched.
Instead of the real player with that character staying quiet and letting beeboy eat a lynch since it's a commonly renowned as a bad guy.
Doesn't make sense to me.

Basically your logic makes sense if beeboy had done it with the intent of getting the player to claim.

But beeboy cant predict whether they'll counter claim the character or not, and if their intent was to use the "bad guy" appearance of the claim to earn a mislynch they risk getting lynched themselves if the real player stays quiet.

No gain for scum.

What DOES however make more sense is for beeboy to be doing as he stated... reaction testing by claiming a character that has a "bad guy" apperance.

(And sure scum can fake reaction testing, but what i mean is that it's a null tell not a scum tell).

But mbomb is always scum

I have a hunch

What sort of hunch?

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

Well as I said, scum motivation seems to be trying to get someone else to flavour claim that character, because that character is commonly renowned as being a bad guy, so to that logic, people could try and use that flavour to get a mislynch on someone, as they know none of the actual mafia team are that character.

So lemme get this straight.
You say that beeboy fake claimed a character to get the real person with that character to claim and frame them to get them mislynched.
Instead of the real player with that character staying quiet and letting beeboy eat a lynch since it's a commonly renowned as a bad guy.
Doesn't make sense to me.

As you said yourself, it was very likely someone had this character, and surely the person with this character would counterclaim because of someone fakeclaiming flavour.

That was in response to the whole thing btw, I was just too lazy to quote every message.

So basically you're saying that scum was enabled to mislynch you because you counter claimed.

Enphasis on you counterclaimed.

This is something YOU did, no one forced you to do it, did beeboy point a gun at your head to counter claim?

If you saw it as "scum wanting to use the flavor to mislynch you"
Then why the heck didnt you let them get lynched on the very same flavor?

Your action progress doesnt make any sense.

I mean... I thought it was scum flavour so I expected no one to cc me.

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

So basically you're saying that scum was enabled to mislynch you because you counter claimed.

Enphasis on you counterclaimed.

This is something YOU did, no one forced you to do it, did beeboy point a gun at your head to counter claim?

If you saw it as "scum wanting to use the flavor to mislynch you"
Then why the heck didnt you let them get lynched on the very same flavor?

Your action progress doesnt make any sense.

Because I have a tendancy of not hiding the truth? I see that as a scum thing to do regardless.

As in, I see hiding the truth as a scum thing to do.

this conversation is going over my head
Did beeboy ever claim his real flavor

Papyrus, got it

Vote: ms1

food^

I can't make sense of this game

But that's OK

Actually now that I think about it, scum wouldn't have a motive to push a mislynch via claiming flavor since the moment the flip occurs, it'll be a 1 for 1 since we'll probably lynch back when we see its wrong.

@Zexion
Think what you may

Who should I vote guys?

{beeboy, ms1, MB}

take your pick

Ace Timing wrote: 36512t

{beeboy, ms1, MB}

take your pick

Why pick a range instead of a single person?

pick me, pick me!1

NoHitter wrote: 262z5z

Ace Timing wrote: 36512t

{beeboy, ms1, MB}

take your pick

Why pick a range instead of a single person?

I interpreted your post as you trying to get a scum read or a wagon to get on to get invested in the game, so I gave you options.

and because I don't know which one has the largest wagon atm.

raffle!1 baffle!1

snaffle~

MS are you gonna be like this all game?

scum^

Vote: Tsukass

I should've told mod that I won't be here Sundays.

Unvote
Vote: Aomi

My lynch for today!

@people not voting magic bomb
Do you have a townread there? if so why?
Do you have a scumread somewhere else? who and why?

If you answer no to these questions, then vote magic bomb.

Seaboy I will unfriend you irl if you don't vote Mbomb.

fartownik wrote: 64d9

Unvote
Vote: Aomi

My lynch for today!

After checking through your ISO i find that you believe MBomb and Aomi are buddies, did your read on MBomb change at some point? Otherwise why vote the wagon with less votes?

Also i find it funny that while you guys were arguing flavor is irrelevant Mr Magic Bomb here is pushing for a lynch based entirely on misconceptions of "beeboy wanted to mislynch someone with the flavor flowey by... claiming flowey".

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

fartownik wrote: 64d9

Unvote
Vote: Aomi

My lynch for today!

After checking through your ISO i find that you believe MBomb and Aomi are buddies, did your read on MBomb change at some point? Otherwise why vote the wagon with less votes?

It went to null. He clearly didn't understand my reaction test so I had to nullify everything about it.

I still think what Aomi did could've been a really poor attempt of defending a scumfriend in that one post where she said that Jess would probably make Flowey a Town character. She's also active in random Offtopic discussions but she's not here. She's clearly afraid of posting here, and if she was Town it would be less of a burden for someone who is actually busy to post something because you don't feel like you're risking as much when you're Town.

That's why I think an Aomi lynch would be optimal. If she turned Town, we wouldn't lose as much as we would if we lynched anyone else. If she turned out to be a scum-flavored character (and scum as well of course) we could even flavorclaim tomorrow or go for MB the other day.

That's fair.
Outside of your reaction test, what do you think of my posts about mbomb?

They pretty much convinced me you're Town. MBomb's half-aggressive responses don't speak to me very well, though.

Mbomb has something weird in the counter claim thingy

And IIRC he's contradicting himself

But I'm so fucking lazy to see if he was pro or anti flavor claim

Can someone other than mbomb answer that?

While it is pretty dumb to lynch someone off the pretense of a flavor counterclaim as scum (see earlier post), I've come to think that pushing that fact isn't something scum would do either.

It's too stupid of a mistake by a relatively experienced player. I don't think scum would push for such an obvious move a day 1 where they want to blend in more.

That's why I'm seeing MB V beeboy as town V town.

Can't find whether he was pro or con towards mass flavor claim, i did find his piece that he referenced interesting tho:

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

Frostings wrote: l110

I feel like Jess is ionate about this game (Undertale)
Wouldn't it be weird if she made it such that, say, a character in the game who is malicious and deceptive, and his main philosophy is "kill or be killed" turned out to be a town character?

I thought this.

I was wrong.

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

The second part, not the first part.

For reference imma cut through the unrelated part and bold the interesting part:

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

Frostings wrote: l110

Wouldn't it be weird if she made it such that, say, a character in the game who is malicious and deceptive, and his main philosophy is "kill or be killed" turned out to be a town character?

I thought this.

I was wrong.

@NH: My point isnt that he's scum counter claiming, but his argument for beeboy scum is weak and i can't believe he actually believes what he says.

So there's 2 things i can conclude from this, neither speak well of mbomb.

1) He's implying that it's not weird for an antagonist to be town, yet he's using flavor to attack beeboy.

2) He's implying that he knows a bad guy isnt a town character, which is a scum slip.

My main problem with magic bomb is, beeboy hadn't even attacked mbomb for his claim.

Magic Bomb made the first move on the assumption that he was going to attack him for his flavor, this makes no sense if you dont know beeboy's alignment, why not just wait and see how beeboy reacts?

Magic Bomb thought beeboy is scum for fake claiming his flavor... why not say this instead of the above? this would make more sense

It looks to me like he's scum that is just looking for reasons to attack beeboy, rather than figure out beeboy's alignment.

pretty sure like metalsonic is scum

he seems very unmotivated, just like the others games he was scum

My guess is he gets bored if he's not on the same team as his friends

Fair Point i do have some gut feelings about ms1, but i also wanna know your opinion on everything else.

mb isn't really a scumtell imo
he's just voting beeboy because he claimed his flavor (as far as I'm aware)
some people are a little quiet (Aomi, seaboy), and I wanna hear from them

there's too many players to keep track of and finding a 3 scum team is harder than finding a 2 scum team

Frostings wrote: l110

mb isn't really a scumtell imo
he's just voting beeboy because he claimed his flavor (as far as I'm aware)
some people are a little quiet (Aomi, seaboy), and I wanna hear from them

there's too many players to keep track of and finding a 3 scum team is harder than finding a 2 scum team

Good thing you dont play larges in MS then.

I am a bit drunk right now so my attention span is lower, anyways:

NoHitter wrote: 262z5z

Actually now that I think about it, scum wouldn't have a motive to push a mislynch via claiming flavor since the moment the flip occurs, it'll be a 1 for 1 since we'll probably lynch back when we see its wrong.

@Zexion
Think what you may

Who should I vote guys?

What's this supposed to mean? o_o

----

Anyways, I think MB thingy on flavour is pretty weak considering it was only flavor. Still makes me want to vote them.

Aomi is slipping under the radar, and besides this post:

Aomi wrote: 2q6w66

also knowing jess she'd probably make flowey a town chara or something

im tired will re-read everything later zz

Making flowey a town chara...? I think I get why is farto voting him but the reason is pretty confusing. He should be here to clear this up.

Vote: Aomi

don't ask me to think further for now, please x_x

These lack of mbomb votes make me feel great about voting him tbh.

If Aomi turns Town, Zexion is Mafia.

I didn't find Magic Bomb's situation as disturbing as you portray it right now. @Sakura you misinterpret his answer and you dig into it too much. He simply meant that his character, despite being scum-flavored, is in fact Town (it doesn't prove that he's Town, obviously).

Frostings still rings some scumbells.

Frostings wrote: l110

some people are a little quiet (Aomi, seaboy), and I wanna hear from them

1. Ask for a prod then!
2. Vote them then!

You do neither! Why you write such an empty statement? They're not gonna read it anyway. The only ones that read your statement is us, and you want to look like a productive member of society that pushes the game forward, my friend.

not sure where you're getting these conclusions

that would be a lame attempt at a wagon if I was mafia

Yes, it would be indeed! And you're drunk, so you're more than capable of thinking less right now.

Frostings wrote: l110

pretty sure like metalsonic is scum

pretty sure like metalsonic is town

alright you've convinced me

So is Aomi the counterwagon to scum MBomb?
There's a lot of resistance to wagoning MBomb and little resistance to wagoning Aomi
That gives me a bad feeling.