Well as I said, scum motivation seems to be trying to get someone else to flavour claim that character, because that character is commonly renowned as being a bad guy, so to that logic, people could try and use that flavour to get a mislynch on someone, as they know none of the actual mafia team are that character.

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

Well as I said, scum motivation seems to be trying to get someone else to flavour claim that character, because that character is commonly renowned as being a bad guy, so to that logic, people could try and use that flavour to get a mislynch on someone, as they know none of the actual mafia team are that character.

So lemme get this straight.
You say that beeboy fake claimed a character to get the real person with that character to claim and frame them to get them mislynched.
Instead of the real player with that character staying quiet and letting beeboy eat a lynch since it's a commonly renowned as a bad guy.
Doesn't make sense to me.

Basically your logic makes sense if beeboy had done it with the intent of getting the player to claim.

But beeboy cant predict whether they'll counter claim the character or not, and if their intent was to use the "bad guy" appearance of the claim to earn a mislynch they risk getting lynched themselves if the real player stays quiet.

No gain for scum.

What DOES however make more sense is for beeboy to be doing as he stated... reaction testing by claiming a character that has a "bad guy" apperance.

(And sure scum can fake reaction testing, but what i mean is that it's a null tell not a scum tell).

But mbomb is always scum

I have a hunch

What sort of hunch?

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

Well as I said, scum motivation seems to be trying to get someone else to flavour claim that character, because that character is commonly renowned as being a bad guy, so to that logic, people could try and use that flavour to get a mislynch on someone, as they know none of the actual mafia team are that character.

So lemme get this straight.
You say that beeboy fake claimed a character to get the real person with that character to claim and frame them to get them mislynched.
Instead of the real player with that character staying quiet and letting beeboy eat a lynch since it's a commonly renowned as a bad guy.
Doesn't make sense to me.

As you said yourself, it was very likely someone had this character, and surely the person with this character would counterclaim because of someone fakeclaiming flavour.

That was in response to the whole thing btw, I was just too lazy to quote every message.

So basically you're saying that scum was enabled to mislynch you because you counter claimed.

Enphasis on you counterclaimed.

This is something YOU did, no one forced you to do it, did beeboy point a gun at your head to counter claim?

If you saw it as "scum wanting to use the flavor to mislynch you"
Then why the heck didnt you let them get lynched on the very same flavor?

Your action progress doesnt make any sense.

I mean... I thought it was scum flavour so I expected no one to cc me.

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

So basically you're saying that scum was enabled to mislynch you because you counter claimed.

Enphasis on you counterclaimed.

This is something YOU did, no one forced you to do it, did beeboy point a gun at your head to counter claim?

If you saw it as "scum wanting to use the flavor to mislynch you"
Then why the heck didnt you let them get lynched on the very same flavor?

Your action progress doesnt make any sense.

Because I have a tendancy of not hiding the truth? I see that as a scum thing to do regardless.

As in, I see hiding the truth as a scum thing to do.

this conversation is going over my head
Did beeboy ever claim his real flavor

Papyrus, got it

Vote: ms1

food^

I can't make sense of this game

But that's OK

Actually now that I think about it, scum wouldn't have a motive to push a mislynch via claiming flavor since the moment the flip occurs, it'll be a 1 for 1 since we'll probably lynch back when we see its wrong.

@Zexion
Think what you may

Who should I vote guys?

{beeboy, ms1, MB}

take your pick

Ace Timing wrote: 36512t

{beeboy, ms1, MB}

take your pick

Why pick a range instead of a single person?

pick me, pick me!1

NoHitter wrote: 262z5z

Ace Timing wrote: 36512t

{beeboy, ms1, MB}

take your pick

Why pick a range instead of a single person?

I interpreted your post as you trying to get a scum read or a wagon to get on to get invested in the game, so I gave you options.

and because I don't know which one has the largest wagon atm.

raffle!1 baffle!1

snaffle~

MS are you gonna be like this all game?

scum^

Vote: Tsukass

I should've told mod that I won't be here Sundays.

Unvote
Vote: Aomi

My lynch for today!

@people not voting magic bomb
Do you have a townread there? if so why?
Do you have a scumread somewhere else? who and why?

If you answer no to these questions, then vote magic bomb.

Seaboy I will unfriend you irl if you don't vote Mbomb.

fartownik wrote: 64d9

Unvote
Vote: Aomi

My lynch for today!

After checking through your ISO i find that you believe MBomb and Aomi are buddies, did your read on MBomb change at some point? Otherwise why vote the wagon with less votes?

Also i find it funny that while you guys were arguing flavor is irrelevant Mr Magic Bomb here is pushing for a lynch based entirely on misconceptions of "beeboy wanted to mislynch someone with the flavor flowey by... claiming flowey".

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

fartownik wrote: 64d9

Unvote
Vote: Aomi

My lynch for today!

After checking through your ISO i find that you believe MBomb and Aomi are buddies, did your read on MBomb change at some point? Otherwise why vote the wagon with less votes?

It went to null. He clearly didn't understand my reaction test so I had to nullify everything about it.

I still think what Aomi did could've been a really poor attempt of defending a scumfriend in that one post where she said that Jess would probably make Flowey a Town character. She's also active in random Offtopic discussions but she's not here. She's clearly afraid of posting here, and if she was Town it would be less of a burden for someone who is actually busy to post something because you don't feel like you're risking as much when you're Town.

That's why I think an Aomi lynch would be optimal. If she turned Town, we wouldn't lose as much as we would if we lynched anyone else. If she turned out to be a scum-flavored character (and scum as well of course) we could even flavorclaim tomorrow or go for MB the other day.

That's fair.
Outside of your reaction test, what do you think of my posts about mbomb?

They pretty much convinced me you're Town. MBomb's half-aggressive responses don't speak to me very well, though.

Mbomb has something weird in the counter claim thingy

And IIRC he's contradicting himself

But I'm so fucking lazy to see if he was pro or anti flavor claim

Can someone other than mbomb answer that?

While it is pretty dumb to lynch someone off the pretense of a flavor counterclaim as scum (see earlier post), I've come to think that pushing that fact isn't something scum would do either.

It's too stupid of a mistake by a relatively experienced player. I don't think scum would push for such an obvious move a day 1 where they want to blend in more.

That's why I'm seeing MB V beeboy as town V town.

Can't find whether he was pro or con towards mass flavor claim, i did find his piece that he referenced interesting tho:

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

Frostings wrote: l110

I feel like Jess is ionate about this game (Undertale)
Wouldn't it be weird if she made it such that, say, a character in the game who is malicious and deceptive, and his main philosophy is "kill or be killed" turned out to be a town character?

I thought this.

I was wrong.

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

The second part, not the first part.

For reference imma cut through the unrelated part and bold the interesting part:

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

Frostings wrote: l110

Wouldn't it be weird if she made it such that, say, a character in the game who is malicious and deceptive, and his main philosophy is "kill or be killed" turned out to be a town character?

I thought this.

I was wrong.

@NH: My point isnt that he's scum counter claiming, but his argument for beeboy scum is weak and i can't believe he actually believes what he says.

So there's 2 things i can conclude from this, neither speak well of mbomb.

1) He's implying that it's not weird for an antagonist to be town, yet he's using flavor to attack beeboy.

2) He's implying that he knows a bad guy isnt a town character, which is a scum slip.

My main problem with magic bomb is, beeboy hadn't even attacked mbomb for his claim.

Magic Bomb made the first move on the assumption that he was going to attack him for his flavor, this makes no sense if you dont know beeboy's alignment, why not just wait and see how beeboy reacts?

Magic Bomb thought beeboy is scum for fake claiming his flavor... why not say this instead of the above? this would make more sense

It looks to me like he's scum that is just looking for reasons to attack beeboy, rather than figure out beeboy's alignment.

pretty sure like metalsonic is scum

he seems very unmotivated, just like the others games he was scum

My guess is he gets bored if he's not on the same team as his friends

Fair Point i do have some gut feelings about ms1, but i also wanna know your opinion on everything else.

mb isn't really a scumtell imo
he's just voting beeboy because he claimed his flavor (as far as I'm aware)
some people are a little quiet (Aomi, seaboy), and I wanna hear from them

there's too many players to keep track of and finding a 3 scum team is harder than finding a 2 scum team

Frostings wrote: l110

mb isn't really a scumtell imo
he's just voting beeboy because he claimed his flavor (as far as I'm aware)
some people are a little quiet (Aomi, seaboy), and I wanna hear from them

there's too many players to keep track of and finding a 3 scum team is harder than finding a 2 scum team

Good thing you dont play larges in MS then.

I am a bit drunk right now so my attention span is lower, anyways:

NoHitter wrote: 262z5z

Actually now that I think about it, scum wouldn't have a motive to push a mislynch via claiming flavor since the moment the flip occurs, it'll be a 1 for 1 since we'll probably lynch back when we see its wrong.

@Zexion
Think what you may

Who should I vote guys?

What's this supposed to mean? o_o

----

Anyways, I think MB thingy on flavour is pretty weak considering it was only flavor. Still makes me want to vote them.

Aomi is slipping under the radar, and besides this post:

Aomi wrote: 2q6w66

also knowing jess she'd probably make flowey a town chara or something

im tired will re-read everything later zz

Making flowey a town chara...? I think I get why is farto voting him but the reason is pretty confusing. He should be here to clear this up.

Vote: Aomi

don't ask me to think further for now, please x_x

These lack of mbomb votes make me feel great about voting him tbh.

If Aomi turns Town, Zexion is Mafia.

I didn't find Magic Bomb's situation as disturbing as you portray it right now. @Sakura you misinterpret his answer and you dig into it too much. He simply meant that his character, despite being scum-flavored, is in fact Town (it doesn't prove that he's Town, obviously).

Frostings still rings some scumbells.

Frostings wrote: l110

some people are a little quiet (Aomi, seaboy), and I wanna hear from them

1. Ask for a prod then!
2. Vote them then!

You do neither! Why you write such an empty statement? They're not gonna read it anyway. The only ones that read your statement is us, and you want to look like a productive member of society that pushes the game forward, my friend.

not sure where you're getting these conclusions

that would be a lame attempt at a wagon if I was mafia

Yes, it would be indeed! And you're drunk, so you're more than capable of thinking less right now.

Frostings wrote: l110

pretty sure like metalsonic is scum

pretty sure like metalsonic is town

alright you've convinced me

So is Aomi the counterwagon to scum MBomb?
There's a lot of resistance to wagoning MBomb and little resistance to wagoning Aomi
That gives me a bad feeling.

Tsukasa wrote: i3p

Can someone other than mbomb answer that?

I can answer it for you for reasons I'm going to explain.

I never said whether I was for or against a flavour claim if i correctly, so there is no way for anyone else to tell you.
But I never said because I was entirely neutral towards the idea.

^ when are we lynching that?

Frostings wrote: l110

alright you've convinced me

I learn my art of persuasion from the legendary Trump

yeah that's a scum claim.

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

yeah that's a scum claim.

This was directed at mbomb's post

vote: magic bomb
Kaboom!!!

Town points to whoever notices what magic bomb just itted to.

Idk what the scum claim was but can I get town points?

Also can I spread out my town points between me and seaboy?

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

Town points to whoever notices what magic bomb just itted to.

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

yeah that's a scum claim.

i cant see it though

Because there's no scum claim.

He may have itted to something that turned out to be a lie, a lie which I'm not aware of because I don't his posts this thoroughly.

Or Sakura is just digging too deep into his posts again and misinterprets them.

If Sakura has some contradicting posts of his, please link them to us asap.

bakudan no mahou

metal sonic1 wrote: 22506x

bakudan no mahou

excuse me

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

I can answer it for you for reasons I'm going to explain.

I never said whether I was for or against a flavour claim if i correctly, so there is no way for anyone else to tell you.
But I never said because I was entirely neutral towards the idea.

Ok so, it's said that all information people do have is their role PM at the start, both town and scum act accordingly to this information. In his mind evil characters = scum was a possibility, hence his neutral stance towards the idea of flavor breaking the game.
He claimed Flowey
He's not town.

Otherwise he would be against the idea.

Inb4 farto comes here and says "Sakura you're going too deep into this"

But as I said, if you're flowey and you know you're town, wouldn't you know already that the flavor breaking strategy would go nowhere and be against it?

Fuck me, I didn't notice that. Why didn't I notice that?

Unvote
Vote: Magic Bomb

Yeah, pretty sure MB is Mafia right now. Good job, Sakura. I will honor you the next day by catching the remaining scum because I'm pretty sure they're going to kill the fuck out of you tonight.

Does this mean that metal sonic actually noticed it, that's why he voted for MB? There goes another Town then.

Unvote

The pressure is on

fartownik wrote: 64d9

Fuck me, I didn't notice that. Why didn't I notice that?

Dont worry im here to notice things for you.
But pay more attention in the future please in case i die over the night.

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

Tsukasa wrote: i3p

Can someone other than mbomb answer that?

I can answer it for you for reasons I'm going to explain.

I never said whether I was for or against a flavour claim if i correctly, so there is no way for anyone else to tell you.
But I never said because I was entirely neutral towards the idea.

Thanks

You did my job for me

I just need a VC

Frostings wrote: l110

Unvote

The pressure is on

The pleasure is off

Zzzz wow am I really gonna have to roleclaim...

You're all fucking idiots.

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

I can answer it for you for reasons I'm going to explain.

I never said whether I was for or against a flavour claim if i correctly, so there is no way for anyone else to tell you.
But I never said because I was entirely neutral towards the idea.

Ok so, it's said that all information people do have is their role PM at the start, both town and scum act accordingly to this information. In his mind evil characters = scum was a possibility, hence his neutral stance towards the idea of flavor breaking the game.
He claimed Flowey
He's not town.

Otherwise he would be against the idea.

Inb4 farto comes here and says "Sakura you're going too deep into this"

But as I said, if you're flowey and you know you're town, wouldn't you know already that the flavor breaking strategy would go nowhere and be against it?

This post makes literally NO FUCKING SENSE. I shouldn't have to explain how shit this post is, but I will because you're all clearly idiots.
Why the fuck would I be against the idea of scumclaiming simply because my character is a bad character in the game. When the fuck did I EVER FUCKING SAY THAT EVIL CHARACTERS BEING SCUM WAS A POSSIBILITY. I LITERALLY FUCKING SAID THAT FROSTINGS WAS WRONG WHEN HE SAID YOU'D THINK EVIL CHARACTERS WOULD BE SCUM.

fucking hell you're so stupid you make me want to kill myself.

BUT OF COURSE, SAKURA, YOU'LL HAVE SOME EVIDENCE FOR YOUR RIDICULOUS CLAIM OF SOMETHING I NEVER SAID, RIGHT?

COME ON, I'M WAITING, BECAUSE FOR SOME REASON PEOPLE FUCKING BELIEVE YOU DESPITE THE FACT YOU GAVE LITERALLY NO EVIDENCE FOR THIS CLAIM.

Vote: Sakura

Anyone who doesn't vote sakura at this stage is so fucking moronic i swear to god.

Oh wait, I just realised. You said something. Something that makes literally no fucking sense, but it's something you said.

Flavour claiming won't break the game, no. That doesn't mean we shouldn't flavour claim at all, though.

Also, like I've said, for all I know flowey might be good at the end of the game, I never completed it.

Don't worry Sakura I'll protect you!!!

Unvote

So she did have a reason to say what she said, it was just a fucking retarded reason.

Not dropping the idea of Sakura scum, that has been an obvious idea this whole fucking game, because she's acting pretty scummy, but, that was my bad.

alright well, back to this
Vote: metalsonic

Wait why the fuck am I unvoting sakura, she's like 99% scum.

Vote: Sakura

Look through her ISO. Anything, LITERALLY ANYTHING that can be taken from a town perspective, please show me.

I won't protect YOU! Stop being salty!

Sakura is bae

You are bad

Sakura is mafia, though, surely you should be putting your vote on mafia, ms1?

bae - e + d = bad BTW!!

Magic bomb, but you are always Mafia, why should I believe you?

metal sonic1 wrote: 22506x

Magic bomb, but you are always Mafia, why should I believe you?

Because I'm town!

nah but because you can literally read through sakura's iso and she hasn't made a single town post this whole game

Also because lynching me today is a bad idea, at least wait a day or 2 first, like I've said before.

If you seriously scumread me, lynch me in 2 days. You're an idiot, but you can be that, it's fine.