I really like this unified ranking system. But i don't really understand how it exactlty works or why i can't see people's ranking place.

Also, i scored an A that was better than my S a few moments ago. The A was saved online, but what was shown was the S. If i wanted to check my A I had to scroll.
Things like that make me think i don't know how this new system works.

It really looks good. but i miss the buttons on top.

I think it would be nice if i could go to options and disable autoscrolling or choose what i want to be shown in a way i could choose.

mario182 wrote: 461r4

I reported this here: p/2198503
But since this seems to be a bug anyways, awesome update, keep up the good work, peppy

Sometimes my local score is on the left when I'm playing and sometimes it is not. Guessing it must be a bug since it's not permanent.

Great. Another useless innovation. Online Local scores (you kidding, right? its local, why now this need online?), automatic scrolling in the score list (very annoying thing), bye top400, hello top5 http://puu.sh/2nFEK, people with same mods - how nice and useless things. Friends best scores maybe one good point from "update".

Ranking must be like this


But it's like this (Blue color only)


It's harder to read

Dislike. i want see only local scores. Old style with swithcer was better

I dislike this fix

Now custom spinners are not transparent anymore

The spinner i had edited looked like this


But now it looks like this

I want to see flanchan again behind the spinner :/

RbwDash wrote: 5j12o

Dislike. i want see only local scores. Old style with swithcer was better

Please play offline.

[SAK]KING_OF_SA wrote: 14g5o

Now custom spinners are not transparent anymore

skin.ini SpinnerFadePlayfield:0
or "Prefer new default skin" in skin options.

frfrfr wrote: 3i2k4w

ye top400, hello top5

You can toggle this. By definition innovation cannot be useless, but I'm sorry you feel this way. Hopefully next update will have a more useful innovation for you. I think this one will be useful to the majority of the community, though.

wow, nice update!
but why are there so many random people with low score there?

peppy wrote: 6w4l42

[SAK]KING_OF_SA wrote: 14g5o

Now custom spinners are not transparent anymore

skin.ini SpinnerFadePlayfield:0
or "Prefer new default skin" in skin options.

hooo hoooh. I'm definetly doint that. thanks.

I really like this new feature!
Now will it be the turn for "Country" Unified scores? I will hope and wait for that too!

Don Omar wrote: 6u593i

wow, nice update!
but why are there so many random people with low score there?

your friends

theowest wrote: tpu

Don Omar wrote: 6u593i

wow, nice update!
but why are there so many random people with low score there?

your friends

random people

Stop downgrade Ose!.. please

>ose

Aww, where did the local scores go..? I liked it the way it was before better. .. oh, well. gotta get used to it. D:

(But please, PLEASE add an option somewhere to disable auto-scrolling! it's a nice idea, yah, but really irritating as well.. at least for me. @.@)
Edit: Yeay, just noticed that auto-scrolling disappeared! Like it waaay better non-moving. (:

EDIT:
Found my local scores, but the old one is definitely better than this. Especially that scroll at the result screen, christ that looks so annoying.

Demmon wrote: 1v2j2c

Ranking must be like this

screen

But it's like this (Blue color only)

screen

It's harder to read

it's like this because ur not er.

Nice update! Autoscrolling is a bit annoying but from the outcry I assume it'll be fixed soon.

The two things I'd like to see changed:
1. More top overall scores: Maybe not back to 400, but 40 would be nice.
2. An option to put your local scores at the top. Having to scroll down to them all the time is a little annoying.

Otherwise I really like the idea. I need more friends

лучше бы заместо нового скина дал возможность отключить всю эту фигню

Nice update again !

Well, I have to say new score system is cool, but can't see up to Top 400 is... ;_;

Btw, autoscroll is not much annoying, indeed is cool.

Xplayer1 wrote: 4t131n

1. More top overall scores: Maybe not back to 400, but 40 would be nice.

The new limit is rank 50, but you will see pretty much all ranks with the mods you have selected anyway with unified.

Xplayer1 wrote: 4t131n

2. An option to put your local scores at the top. Having to scroll down to them all the time is a little annoying.

That's actually a pretty good suggestion.

I only want top400 back while not using "Unified scores" setting, and the "Refresh button"..
Top400 was a very good idea..

just want to say

from what i see that's pretty much useless @@

Is there any way -not- to show local scores on the online scoreboards? Right now it looks something like this:

It looks even worse on songs i whored.. so yeah. Not a er atm though so not sure if intended zz

I still prefer the classic top 6

z and c keys are placing notes since the latest update for me, which is very frustrating when trying to map and using keyboard shortcuts.

I wonder what are these scores

Those are the score differences between the player and the player below.

Mashley wrote: 134c1t

z and c keys are placing notes since the latest update for me, which is very frustrating when trying to map and using keyboard shortcuts.

you've hit ctrl-tab somehow and activated live-mapping mode, hit it again to disable xc override

edit: no, you're right. this is my bad. i've got lua on the brain and completely fucked up the condition for check livemapping status. i'll push a fix right away. have peppy fix my hrorible code and already have a public build up with the fix before i even noticed.

Rock Forever wrote: 725d4w

I wonder what are these scores

Next to the score, you see how many points MORE this score has to the previous one.

Is there any way to close this score setting? -_-

Good update. Thanks, Peppy

i like the new update but i not prefer peppy make that local score gone just like that

It'd be nice if there were 3 buttons: Top 40, Friends, and Local. It'd be much easier to understand in my opinion.

Like the overall update. Personally i haven't seen the local scoreboard autoscroll, but maybe I'm just not paying attention. One thing that confuses me is the point of the local score since it seems really cluttered when you have a lot of plays on a specific song. Also i think when you have a local score that is the same as your personal best its a bit redundant since you end up having 3 of the same score on the board.
The thing i would want to see changed is that maybe all local scores get moved under the personal best that shows the rank, then you dont have the issue like my image that shows a local score, a personal best, then more local scores.

So yea like the update, cant wait for unified to go live for free s(its a really nice feature but im certainly not paying for it haha)

Scrolling all the way down every time and no local scores is really annoying . qq

Takeda Shingen wrote: y3m70

Demmon wrote: 1v2j2c

Ranking must be like this

screen

But it's like this (Blue color only)

screen

It's harder to read

it's like this because ur not er.

So, because i'm not er, ranking is blue ? That idiot.

Rock Forever wrote: 725d4w

I wonder what are these scores

Look that

Demmon wrote: 1v2j2c

Right, here +91 is the difference with Lance's score, and the +427 023 the difference with my best score

that nice! peppy thanks!

good work!

The more I play a song, the more my name shows up in the ranking screen. I really would like to prevent my entire top score list from filling up with my local scores. Is there some option I need to disable or something?

Yes yes yes yes yes yes

Thank you

Ephemeral wrote: 4k296t

Mashley wrote: 134c1t

z and c keys are placing notes since the latest update for me, which is very frustrating when trying to map and using keyboard shortcuts.

you've hit ctrl-tab somehow and activated live-mapping mode, hit it again to disable xc override

edit: no, you're right. this is my bad. i've got lua on the brain and completely fucked up the condition for check livemapping status. i'll push a fix right away. have peppy fix my hrorible code and already have a public build up with the fix before i even noticed.

Thanks Now I can finish my map

peppy! What is this patch in the online ranking in the window says "+ number"?

BrokenArrow wrote: 6i5o49

Those are the score differences between the player and the player below.

First i wasn't sure what to think out of it just by seeing but I love this update <3

Well, I think this is the first time I dislike a new update. I was quite attached to the seperation online/local and the top 400. Now I find everything cluttered by too much information.

For example, I find the difference in points between 2 people pretty useless. What is interesting to know in osu! is the absolute score you have to get to someone, not the score difference.



Moreover, those duplicated entries in the ranking make me puzzled. I mean, no need to show the same piece of information three times, right?
...Or maybe this is a bug?

XPJ38 wrote: 364g3l

Well, I think this is the first time I dislike a new update. I was quite attached to the seperation online/local and the top 400. Now I find everything cluttered by too much information.

For example, I find the difference in points between 2 people pretty useless. What is interesting to know in osu! is the absolute score you have to get to someone, not the score difference.



Moreover, those duplicated entries in the ranking make me puzzled. I mean, no need to show the same piece of information three times, right?
...Or maybe this is a bug?

The difference in points between 2 people is cool, you just don't use it
I think your -- rank is you best rank on your computer and the first #357 your best online score (For the second #357 I think t will delet)

Cobra wrote: 1u2s6w

It'd be nice if there were 3 buttons: Top 40, Friends, and Local. It'd be much easier to understand in my opinion.

But then that would make sense... and we can't have that

I don't like this update because I don't want to see the online rankings all the time, I just want to see my local scores, nothing else ._.

I don't like how the rankings automatically scroll down and show my scores. I much prefer having separate online and local scores - everything's much too cluttered as it is now. Can there be an option to view the new scoreboard and the old version with just the top 40? Or at least stopping it from scrolling down every time I choose a song :S

Normally I don't comment on these things and just get used to them, but this is really annoying.

Sweet update thanks

It's a lot of nice ideas but needs some work still. The scoreboard is very cluttered and slightly confusing as-is, and I hate the auto-scrolling feature (which seems to have disappeared already?). Also, I'm generally more interested in top scores than my own scores. Generally my only score I'm interested in is my top score, and the old system showed it just fine. If I want to see more details about my own scores, I scroll down.

Xiyng wrote: 4jb7

It's a lot of nice ideas but needs some work still.

I have to agree on this one. As much as I respect your work peppy, please test those features out in the test build a bit longer and wait for further instead of publishing them (half-assed) for everyone immediately.

MoldyCereal wrote: 62267

I don't like this update because I don't want to see the online rankings all the time, I just want to see my local scores, nothing else ._.

+1

nice update!!!

Why is this one option. Separate into 3 boards with friends' scores, top 40 (or 400), and local scores. And nobody cares about same-mod, just a waste of space cluttering things up.

A friends board is also the only thing you mentioned that would make things more competitive. I can see a friends board being pretty awesome.

PS: Making local scores harder to see is annoying, why would you do that for no real reason.

make 3 box that we can tick it

[ ]Top 400
[ ]Friends
[ ]Local

that will looks much more better

kind of confusing, but oh well xD.
Saw it on my other .

I fail to understand why no one should care about same mod scores. You realise that for those that can't get in the top x00, this will give them a more competitive play environment? You realise you can still toggle it off? Why not compete against people playing with the same difficulty settings as you? Where does the problem lie here?

Airaplenane wrote: 71102s

MoldyCereal wrote: 62267

I don't like this update because I don't want to see the online rankings all the time, I just want to see my local scores, nothing else ._.

+1

Please play offline. This will cause online ranking to be hidden.

mochi wrote: 3u3l

Cobra wrote: 1u2s6w

It'd be nice if there were 3 buttons: Top 40, Friends, and Local. It'd be much easier to understand in my opinion.

But then that would make sense... and we can't have that

Oh, right.

As long as it is being limited to ~50 items, I am not splitting it out into multiple options, sorry. Looking to keep things simple when it comes to the interface, because i'd like to increase vertical space in the near future. Scrolling ain't that hard .

peppy wrote: 6w4l42

Please play offline. This will cause online ranking to be hidden.

So, when we just want to see the local ranking, we have to . What is your purpose here?

mixed feelings on this. but im mostly positive.
I don't focus on local scores all that much, so i dont have a problem with that.

as for the mod separation and other stuff, i actually look forward to using that when looking at scores, but i guess it'll take a little getting used to .

EDIT: I see, so the whole thing about local score is that its all stuffed at the bottom... lol, i actually like this. i can compare my scores with diff mods and %'s easily just by scrolling

I can definitely see an issue with local scores when they are actually high enough to be in the middle of the online scores. I will look at improving this scenario.

peppy wrote: 6w4l42

I can definitely see an issue with local scores when they are actually high enough to be in the middle of the online scores. I will look at improving this scenario.

lol, yup, i saw this too. will you move it away and separate it somehow (you can click a toggle to show where your local scores go in between others), or will you like colorcode it off or something? I'm interested in this developing scenario.

peppy wrote: 6w4l42

As long as it is being limited to ~50 items, I am not splitting it out into multiple options, sorry. Looking to keep things simple when it comes to the interface, because i'd like to increase vertical space in the near future. Scrolling ain't that hard .

I find scrolling immensely difficult when using tablet.

In my opinion some World|Local|Friends|Country tabs upon unchecking Unified would make for a cleaner interface and provide more information. (Though the Country thing is still feature request).

also is there any chance of you bringing back web ranked score number?

I'll give some input about the new leaderboards here as the current #20 player.

I play some maps repeatedly because I enjoy them and/or want a better score. When I beat my record, I almost always no longer want to see the old ones because they're not relevant anymore. I'm more interested in how my friends or other top players have scored.
Playing at a global level is less fun now because most of the Top 50 is hidden now, so there's not as much incentive for me to play for a good score in that range unless I get into the Top 5, which is usually difficult.
Seeing the distance between scores (+54,958 for example) is too much clutter on the leaderboards for me. Each already contains many statistics and it's almost always more helpful to see the score I have to beat.

Top 40: I often play for scores in this range, so I would like to see these. Top 5 is too limiting.
SameMod: Not really interested.
Local: I usually only want to see my highest score.
Friends: Most interesting statistic for me, I would most appreciate just being able to see my friends' scores.

In my opinion letting people see one leaderboard at a time is best. Putting them all together is really confusing, it gets cluttered by local scores and people can't easily find the information they're looking for. It's a bit late for me, so I hope this made sense.

I don't like this. I don't care about the online board scores, I only care about my own local scores. I don't want to see the others.

I'm not that good, I don't care what they got.

Let me go back to only seeing my scores.

Put some way to show the default online scoreboards. That would be better.
EDIT: I meant offline.

Could all these people saying they cant see their own scores please explain? They are always visible for me.

The thing about these merged scoreboards is that if you're online, you have to wait for the online scores to load so you can view the local scores stored on your computer.

Which seems silly in my opinion, since if you've got really terrible internet and the online scoreboard can take a while to load or may not load at all, why must you wait for the online scores to load so you can view your local scores? Playing offline will bring up just the local scores, but then you can't really submit scores to the online scoreboards without connecting to the internet, submitting the score, then disconnecting so you can view the local scores again.

Plus, having all these scoreboards mashed together is messy, can't we have 3 scoreboard categories to choose from, like local / friends / online because that would be great and 100% more clean. u c u;

senofdark wrote: 1p1s21

make 3 box that we can tick it

[ ]Top 400
[ ]Friends
[ ]Local

that will looks much more better

I think it's a nice idea.

I always play with my local ranks. And anyway, I don't think that just play offline is a nice way to resolve the problem. I play with my local rank is for check the hard part that I may usually missed on by checking the combo of my local ranks. And on the other hand, I think it may be really important to most players that are not really so pro that can always in top 50 to see their local ranks when playing.

Basically, the use cases was before:

1. local ranking.
2. online ranking (top 40 scores, and maaany pages).

But now:

1. Table unified ranking (Online top50, friends, and local). <-- cool xD

Opinions: I like the idea, usually never look at my local ranking, since I only want the highest score (that is the that remains online). The only "bad" is that now is a bit confusing quickly recognize what is what.

>> I would rather see a small title, when the ranking changes.


Now, what really interests me is the change that will calculate the PP. I guess now is the top of each mod, which I quite like, being 1st in any map requires a lot of skill with FL, although they can be very good with other modifiers, such as Hidden.
So I look forward to the announcement.

Sorry for my poor English, I helped with Google ._.

Whatever, cool change o3ob

Also hi my map

I am considering everyone's opinions here. There will likely be some changes to this feature in the near future. Keep the coming from both sides. I'm especially interested to hear from people who prefer the new style of ranking, since these people generally won't speak out loudly.

I'm actually a huge fan of the ingame leaderboard - competing against friend scores means you can actually see your place rise as you play the song, not just in the last 10 notes or so. And I can also see my own score now while I'm watching someone else play, which is something I've wanted for ages.

On the flipside, the song select leaderboard feels a bit cluttered and off IMO, the local scores crowd it up and the "mods you're playing with" gives irrelevant, nomod results a lot of the time when the mods you're playing with have very few scores. I'm looking forward to seeing how that evolves.

I say definitely keep the mixed ranking with friends cause that's very nice and you can compare with your friends on certain maps, definitely really good.

That being said, I liked to be able to go through my local scores and watch my old replays, so I'd definitely be in favor of that coming back.

Awesome update! osu! is going in the right way!

peppy wrote: 6w4l42

As long as it is being limited to ~50 items, I am not splitting it out into multiple options, sorry. Looking to keep things simple when it comes to the interface, because i'd like to increase vertical space in the near future. Scrolling ain't that hard .

The point is not everyone is going to understand it. Limit it to 50 if you have to. It would be less confusing and be a normal leaderboard system that everyone would understand. Just throwing it out there.

peppy wrote: 6w4l42

I am considering everyone's opinions here.

I just want to view the rankings of my friends. I don't want to search for my friends that are scattered amongst a bunch of other scores i don't care about.

If you're gonna keep the unified list, don't even bother putting in our local scores in it too. Because sometimes i clear a single map like 20 times ok? I don't need to see my name 20 times in a already cluttered list.

mochi wrote: 3u3l

peppy wrote: 6w4l42

I am considering everyone's opinions here.

I just want to view the rankings of my friends. I don't want to search for my friends that are scattered amongst a bunch of other scores i don't care about.

If you're gonna keep the unified list, don't even bother putting in our local scores in it too. Because sometimes i clear a single map like 20 times ok? I don't need to see my name 20 times in a already cluttered list.

I'd like to have a possibility to compare my old scores to my new ones, tho, to see whether I improved or whether I'm still as shitty as ever, so I wouldn't like to have local scores removed from scoreboards.
Having them on a seperate scoreboard, similar to what we had before, would work better, I guess.

I find it very nice because you can see now who does from your List played the same Map and see what Score they reached, what Combos they have, etc. But I find to keep Local Scores seperate would be better, not only because of the Look imo.

peppy wrote: 6w4l42

By definition innovation cannot be useless, but I'm sorry you feel this way. Hopefully next update will have a more useful innovation for you. I think this one will be useful to the majority of the community, though.

I don't think your innovation should remove old functionality, though. I liked being able to look through local scores separately and also seeing out to rank 400~ or so to check for certain mods on some maps. Also, it shouldn't default to unified ranking after each play - it should save your preferred settings.

Also, you're doing the same thing you did with the last update - forcing a large change (full of bugs) with very minimal testing on the entire playerbase. If you are going to use your entire playerbase as testers, then at least allow options to fallback to old functionality that doesn't include all of the bugs, etc. While this update doesn't affect gameplay directly so it's not so bad, I think the way you are going about pushing these updates out is wrong. I understand you have your vision of how the game is supposed to be, but you have a large base and many very dedicated followers, please take their feelings into consideration as much or moreso than your own.

In any case, it's a good idea, but the current implementation is a mess imo. Needs more organization. I think separate tabs for local, country, friend, overall, mod scores, etc would work better than showing everything in one list -- the current method causes too much clutter/unwanted information. There is never a danger in allowing more specific searching! Possibly instead of tabs, you have checkboxes that you can mix and match for each option. So you can check friend/country and it will show those scores, or just friends and it will show only those. Also make it so that whatever you picked is saved between plays instead of reset (this should happen currently, as well)

mochi wrote: 3u3l

peppy wrote: 6w4l42

I am considering everyone's opinions here.

I just want to view the rankings of my friends. I don't want to search for my friends that are scattered amongst a bunch of other scores i don't care about.

If you're gonna keep the unified list, don't even bother putting in our local scores in it too. Because sometimes i clear a single map like 20 times ok? I don't need to see my name 20 times in a already cluttered list.

^This

It would seem prudent to separate Local scores from Online scores. There's absolutely no reason to show every local score you ever had on a map you've played. Especially if you've played said map hundreds of times.

I don't have er so I haven't looked at the friend ranking scoreboard, however what mochi said seems about right for that too.

Edit: I like the point differential shown below accuracy. I think the new scoreboard is a good idea, just improperly implemented.

Peppy, in general, I love the new update, I like the friends score (although it does make me feel bad sometimes) and the way scores work when you play now. Also, thanks so much for fixing the complaints with the skin update so quickly, that was really great!

I have to agree though, that everything is a bit crowded... I understand the desire to save space, but I was so confused by the update I had to read almost the entire thread to figure it out entirely.

I would agree with a tabs solution, despite you seeming against it.

Couple of quick things:

1. You say that we can toggle a lot of the new changes... could you please point out where? Maybe I'm being dense, but I can't find them...

2. You also mentioned a pp change? Are you going to elaborate soon?

[Added] 3. I think its a bit weird that when I'm playing with no mods, I see all of the no-mods scores below my highest, modded score. E.G I have a score with HD and DT, and see a bunch of lower scores without mods underneath it when I'm playing no mods. I know you want to encourage more competiton among no mods groups, but that information means nothing to me below my score... Perhaps this feature could only engage when we start to play a map. Or perhaps the "same mods" should be according to the mods on our highest score? Not trying to be critical in the slightest, just suggesting some alternatives

Thanks for (if you actually do) reading!

Ps. Peppy, I think that you are bringing a lot of cool changes in Osu!, but bringing them far to quickly. It seems as if you face a torrent of differing opinions when you release these HUGE updates. I think it would be beneficial to you and the community if you slowed the updates down a bit, so you could better receive our opinion and gauge the effectiveness of what you release.

Would have been nice to use Community Voice to gauge the reception of such a change.

"Would you like unified rankings?" with "Yes", "No", "Neutral" as possible answers, with some explanations and a mock-up in the OP.

Good Job! That'll help out a bit. You play the piano? (I'm only asking because of that video on your channel)

peppy wrote: 6w4l42

As long as it is being limited to ~50 items, I am not splitting it out into multiple options, sorry. Looking to keep things simple when it comes to the interface, because i'd like to increase vertical space in the near future. Scrolling ain't that hard .

If anything, the unified ranking increases complexity in my opinion. It doesn't make a lot of sense to have four different sets of scores mashed together. You're usually only interested in one of the sets at a time. Since the sets overlap on the scoreboard, you'll have to gather the information you're looking for yourselves.

About same mod scores: I'm not really interested in them. Competing with players who (for the most part) I've never heard of seems kinda pointless to me. It doesn't really tell me how good my score was unless I look up all the players who got similar scores. I don't want to do that. Comparing yourselves to the top 50, your friends or your country tells you way more about the quality of your score. It's more fun too since you have some sort of relation to these players, they're not just names. Most people play nomod anyway, and having tons of SS on the scoreboard is useless.

The scoreboard is an important part of the game. I think giving up usability for a bit of vertical space is a bad idea. I don't think the current implementation is simple at all. A scoreboard switcher doesn't have to be fancy either. A single button for switching through the scoreboards would be sufficient.

mochi wrote: 3u3l

peppy wrote: 6w4l42

I am considering everyone's opinions here.

I just want to view the rankings of my friends. I don't want to search for my friends that are scattered amongst a bunch of other scores i don't care about.

If you're gonna keep the unified list, don't even bother putting in our local scores in it too. Because sometimes i clear a single map like 20 times ok? I don't need to see my name 20 times in a already cluttered list.

Following from this, here's an idea:

How about customizable scoreboard settings, instead of one design forced upon everyone?

If someone only wants to see their local scores, they shoud be able to only see local scores. If they want to see locals+friends, or friends+local top (only their top) score, or local+friends+online, they should be able to control exactly which of these are visible (and even maybe which colors are used for highlighting, etc.)

It seems that the best way to solve the problem would be just to separate the local/online scores.
It gets to a point where the leaderboards start to look ridiculous...

Silynn wrote: 6f6f3u

Also, you're doing the same thing you did with the last update - forcing a large change (full of bugs) with very minimal testing on the entire playerbase.

You're obviously new here. This is how I've developed osu! for the last 6 years and I don't intend on changing that. The fact that bugs are fixed within hours if not days should be enough to counter any negatives brought on by this rapid release cycle.

If you would like to help with testing, you can the few people on the test server that tend to help me test. Anyone is welcome to help.

peppy wrote: 6w4l42

Silynn wrote: 6f6f3u

Also, you're doing the same thing you did with the last update - forcing a large change (full of bugs) with very minimal testing on the entire playerbase.

You're obviously new here. This is how I've developed osu! for the last 6 years and I don't intend on changing that. The fact that bugs are fixed within hours if not days should be enough to counter any negatives brought on by this rapid release cycle.

If you would like to help with testing, you can the few people on the test server that tend to help me test. Anyone is welcome to help.

>new here

Also the minimal testing refers mostly to the playability of the new features and how much they change the game.

If you feel this way then how about helping test? The features were live weeks before public release, and heavily tested by only 3-4 s.

Silynn wrote: 6f6f3u

Also, you're doing the same thing you did with the last update - forcing a large change (full of bugs) with very minimal testing on the entire playerbase.

Don't you think that there is a possibility that a hand full of people cannot find every single Bug and that the Community which doesn't use the Test Build would be a good way to find them?

Stefan wrote: 5nd6l

Silynn wrote: 6f6f3u

Also, you're doing the same thing you did with the last update - forcing a large change (full of bugs) with very minimal testing on the entire playerbase.

Don't you think that there is a possibility that a hand full of people cannot find every single Bug and that the Community which doesn't use the Test Build would be a good way to find them?

Pretty much this. The general community may moan and complain, but bugs get fixed and features get tweaked so much faster when everyone is pitching in (intentionally or not)
This is the fastest way to progress osu! forward, and big, exciting things would be delayed so much longer otherwise, not to mention critical bug fixes. Unhappiness from the vocal minority is a small price to pay.

I disagree on a fundamental level, you shouldn't push out updates to the detriment of your players. At the very least, like I said, include fallbacks to older versions on major updates (skin changes, leaderboard changes, etc) until everything in the system is smoothed out. This way, the players who want to see these features will end up helping out, and the people who can't be fucked to help but are bothered by the bugs, changes, etc, have something to go back to in the mean time.

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This way, the players who want to see these features will end up helping out, and the people who can't be fucked to help but are bothered by the bugs, changes, etc, have something to go back to in the mean time.

This is already possible, The fallback is the difference between osu! and osu!test

And that's where I disagree, just because a player has a er tag does not mean they want to be a tester. Be considerate of your base, please.

I never said they had to, it's up to them whether they want to test or not.

And then they're being forced to test once features that aren't ready to be pushed to live are pushed to live.

All I ask for is to not force this upon people and add a way to fall back.

I'm not changing the way I push updates, sorry. The reason I can work so hard on osu! is due to how fast I can push stuff out. If this was to change I would probably lose a lot of motivation.