Well... Will start using custom skins.
Been playing osu since beta... For a first time, right after this update, can feel my eyes hurting, literally.
Especially the new spinner part. On my eyes it works similar to watching bycicles wheel. After a certain speed i can no longer see witch way its spinning and it gets rly disorientating.

AWESOME spinner.
Also, nice scroll at the results screen! o.o
The lack of circle ghosts is still making me think it looks empty, but it's definitely better for more busy maps!
Also, the super pretty ripple effect (lighting) is broken .-. Even if that was intended, it just staying there is annoying... .-.

But it's still a GREAT skin!

Exerion wrote: 3a2mo

White reverse arrows on white sliders - great idea. "Try to guess when need to repeat". Hooray new skin, I will miss 70% often.

They will turn black after a certain colour threshold.

Based on , I do plan on changing the spinner to be less distracting.

peppy wrote: 6w4l42

Based on , I do plan on changing the spinner to be less distracting.

will you still release the skin elements for the current spinner?
or only for the next one?

CXu wrote: 1u4829

[*] http://puu.sh/2kudW <-- This looks extremely weird, as the repeat arrow should be a part of the slider-tail here, but it's not overlapped by the slider-head.

It was always like that xD

peppy wrote: 6w4l42

Based on , I do plan on changing the spinner to be less distracting.

Any way to the spinner elements or something before it's all gone..? .-.

First I was went "Nice!", then I saw the spinner and went "NICE!!!"

After playing for an hour or so, i think the miss would be better if it starts to fade at same time it starts to fall. BUT as i cant test it, i dont know, i may be wrong xD

MAN!!!! THIS WAS AWESOME!!! THANK YOU!!

Bittersweet wrote: 4k72g

CXu wrote: 1u4829

[*] http://puu.sh/2kudW <-- This looks extremely weird, as the repeat arrow should be a part of the slider-tail here, but it's not overlapped by the slider-head.

It was always like that xD

Huh wait really? I never noticed until the recent changes

They will turn black after a certain colour threshold.

Can you change the threshold because on some sliders the arrow remains withe but is hardly seable like these :


This one I failed while playing because I didn't saw the reverse arrow :\

^ THIS
Threshold really need to be tuned more thoroughly.

It's cool to of had a new update this different but I really don't like it.
As I first looked at the menu I was thinking 'Where has everything gone?!?!?'
Is there a way to switch back to the old style because I really can't play it this way it's just rather annoying...
I'm sorry that was a really long and annoying rant but I wanted to know;
How do I get back the old skin and style?

pretty sure you can't ;w;
and even if you did rollback, osu! would just update to the new version again anyway. this new layout might seem a bit strange, but it can help when you get used to it

iamazoroark wrote: 2l201o

How do I get back the old skin and style?

What prevents you from using the old templateskin as a skin?
Now it can not be ed through osume, but people in any way have it. In the theme of skinning on the forum, for example.

You can use it, but it will be missing some elements, and others are not skinnable (as main-menu tabs, for example)

deadbeat wrote: 819

pretty sure you can't ;w;
and even if you did rollback, osu! would just update to the new version again anyway. this new layout might seem a bit strange, but it can help when you get used to it

+1; when I was trying it out on test build, I beat most, if not all of my high scores, and could play easier :p Your experience may vary of course depending on what skin you were using previously.

Has anyone else noticed that "old" spinner skins (even the original old one) aren't dimmed when you use them, which doesn't make them look very good, since the spinner background picture is limited in a squarish area in the center. Anyone else have this problem?

deadbeat wrote: 819

rakiru wrote: 1g1b20

Is it possible to get the old skin back? I really don't like the new spinner (it's hard to tell how much you've got left to do), and I'd like the option to use the old circles and stuff too.

the old default skin is floating around the forum's
try here https://osu-ppy-sh.jeuxcrack.net/forum/t/51694

New spinnerrr ^______^
New skin amazing , but i cant find SS rank maps

Awesome stuff! Though I would like to say that I dislike some of the new elements, I'm conscious of the fact that we're resistant to change, so I'll probably grow into it.

The spinner was totally messed up on my side, though. It doesn't stretch to the full height of my monitor (1280x1024) - there is a line of spare pixels on either side, and a lot of space on the top and bottom which is the song background darkened. Perhaps this was intentional, though, for widescreen s.

The Muffin Man wrote: 5x2e33

Awesome stuff! Though I would like to say that I dislike some of the new elements, I'm conscious of the fact that we're resistant to change, so I'll probably grow into it.

you sir, have my respect.

It'll take some getting used to, but I guess it's needed because innovation is key.

Q: How do we rate beatmaps now?

vizzy wrote: 342o5o

It'll take some getting used to, but I guess it's needed because innovation is key.

Q: How do we rate beatmaps now?

it's below the ranking now. you need to click and drag the screen and the online information is at the bottom

i wish i had a video about all the new changes right now >_>

Nice update! But I just deleted my skin's spinner elements to have this new cool spinner, and for some reason, instead of the new spinner, the old one appears... What to do?

Edit: Nevermind, I found out :3

vizzy wrote: 342o5o

It'll take some getting used to, but I guess it's needed because innovation is key.

Q: How do we rate beatmaps now?

scroll down:

Thanks. Got it!

I do not like this skin, it makes it unreadable Beatmap with some spins (blue spin ). Transparency and a Windows 8 style that I do not approve. Sorry I prefer the old skin.
If you can return to the ergonomics of the former, I am satisfied.

OH MY GOD THE REVERSE ARROW ON SLIDERS TURNS BLACK IF THE HITCIRCLES ARE WHITE, IT'S MAGIC!!!11!!1!ONEONE

Lovin' the new skin. The moving followpoints are a bit distracting IMO, but I just probably have to get used to it

even if i can imagine, that there was a lot of work involved with this update, i really don't like the new skin. It is to bright for my eyes and the new spinner is too confusing. Well that wouldn't be a too big problem, because i could still use the skin, i normally use. But since the ranking screen changed, the screen is now totally messed up...

Here a screen:


My suggestion would be, that there is an option for old skins, that will change the ranking screen design to the old one.
Also, i don't like the fact, that you need to scroll now, to see, if you improved in the map. Thats something, i want to see right away. I dont know, why that was changed. Was it really that inconvenient to press the mouse button 2 times, even though you click much more often during the game?

Hello.

As you all know, I am a taiko player. I have noticed something that deeply concerns me in the gameplay of taiko, as it has been changed in this update.

When you miss a note, the miss bubble falls down and obscures the notes. This is a problem for all players, as it is a distraction of the notes and thus covers up parts when you play.

For Example (these may not be the best as they are screenshots)

It affects any time the map has any kind of stream, or a flow of constant notes.

I encourage you to change it back, not because "omg I hate change" but because it actually affects how the game is played and makes it an unneeded distraction.

Beuchi wrote: t3r41

OH MY GOD THE REVERSE ARROW ON SLIDERS TURNS BLACK IF THE HITCIRCLES ARE WHITE, IT'S MAGIC!!!11!!1!ONEONE

Lovin' the new skin. The moving followpoints are a bit distracting IMO, but I just probably have to get used to it

still somewhat buggy t/123382

TMoD wrote: 1f373

even if i can imagine, that there was a lot of work involved with this update, i really don't like the new skin. It is to bright for my eyes and the new spinner is too confusing. Well that wouldn't be a too big problem, because i could still use the skin, i normally use. But since the ranking screen changed, the screen is now totally messed up...

Here a screen:


My suggestion would be, that there is an option for old skins, that will change the ranking screen design to the old one.
Also, i don't like the fact, that you need to scroll now, to see, if you improved in the map. Thats something, i want to see right away. I dont know, why that was changed. Was it really that inconvenient to press the mouse button 2 times, even though you click much more often during the game?

You'll have to skin around that for now, and about the "option for old skins": p/2185835

Hi, I changed my frame limiter to unlimited and this has caused me to be unable to see the game even though I can interact with it. Please help.

Backfire wrote: 5y252a

Hello.

As you all know, I am a taiko player. I have noticed something that deeply concerns me in the gameplay of taiko, as it has been changed in this update.

When you miss a note, the miss bubble falls down and obscures the notes. This is a problem for all players, as it is a distraction of the notes and thus covers up parts when you play.

For Example (these may not be the best as they are screenshots)

SPOILER

It affects any time the map has any kind of stream, or a flow of constant notes.

I encourage you to change it back, not because "omg I hate change" but because it actually affects how the game is played and makes it an unneeded distraction.

already reported t/123349
post in that topic

jyknight wrote: 454v54

Hi, I changed my frame limiter to unlimited and this has caused me to be unable to see the game even though I can interact with it. Please help.

something like this maybe: t/119926 but it might happen a lot more since this update.

nice skin

@theowest None of those, but nevermind. I managed to fix it though constant clicking to find the frame limiter. Thanks for the help though.

Wow, this looks amazing! Great job.

theowest wrote: tpu

You'll have to skin around that for now, and about the "option for old skins": p/2185835

I think, you meant the "Prefer new Default when skin not available" option with the Link? Well, it was turned off, so it doesn't change anything. Even tried to turn it on, but that just resulted in other bugs
Also i dont have a clue about making/changing skins

Dont like the new style at all, want the old back or at least an option to change it for yourself

Yay, such a nice update c:!

Souar wrote: 121q4e

Dont like the new style at all, want the old back or at least an option to change it for yourself

Better get used to it.
Germans are so picky.

you cant even tell if youre playing well with the new skin because theres not the color like befor that signals you when you fail doing a 300. you have to look up on your accuracy what really sux i think. also the circles are not as visable as they where before. i always loose the focus on the mouse in spinners.

ppy already said that spinner will be changed. Soon the sprites will be released so you can recolor the hitbusts for whatever you want (or find a friend to do if you cant). Circles are more visible and clean, what are you talking about xD IF you really hate it and cant play at all with it because whatever reason, you can always use template skin or any other

Great modernizing update for osu! in my opinion. There will be haters but then again you cannot satisfy everyone.

heyheyheyheyheyheyeheyeheey
make the slider ball the same-ish sort of color as the combo color it's on
boom

Cobra wrote: 1u2s6w

heyheyheyheyheyheyeheyeheey
make the slider ball the same-ish sort of color as the combo color it's on
boom

or its complementary/inverted colour. that would be pretty amazing. Like how the repeat arrow gets black when it's a whiter combo colour and vice versa.

Actually would be nice if the reverse arrow would be the negative value of the combo color of the slider, while the slider ball would use the combo color of the slider.

I absolutely love it! <3

Great work guys!

Stop complaining about the new skin, its amazing!!!

Also there are some things i propose:
1.An option to use old animations (lighting is too little, ticks are slow,old 300 are not so smooth...) (maybe in skin.ini?)
2.An option to return to old cursortrail logistics (this skin is now broken ;.; https://osu-ppy-sh.jeuxcrack.net/forum/t/98455 )

This is definitly a step foward for skinners and a memorable day in osu! but look at the past and all those skins that now can´t be enjoyed as well as before...
(im also still waiting for an option to use 4:3 backgrounds on widescreen resolutions, the image quality is incredibly better).

I agree with everyone that it looks so clean especially the main menu! ^.^

So - I think that the new game skin quite well, although it needs further development.

1. It would be better if the added option to switch a new skin to the previous in general.
2. The same would probably be better if the game mode selection button would be the same size as the others. (http://puu.sh/2kG4W)
3. I believe that the need to reduce the size of icons and text contents of the new button in the drop-down menu so that the right border of the menu were is flush with the right edge of the button "selection options" (http://puu.sh/2kG8h)
4. Also - white arrow sometimes merges with the background slider. Thus it is likely that the player will not notice it. (http://puu.sh/2kGbe)
5. In some places, sometimes there are black instead of white arrows.
6. http://puu.sh/2kGdj - surprised that has changed the button location "back"

In all my years of Osu an update I really cherish. Thanks for that!

Took a little bit getting used to, but this is a huge improvement. Great job to everyone who worked on this!

1. I was concerned about how hitbursts seemed to linger a bit before disappearing(and misses seemed to drop off the screen instead of just disappearing) compared to the old skin, but it didn't affect my gameplay as much as I thought it would and was able to get used to it pretty quickly. Can't say the same about other players, though.
2. My playstyle makes me somewhat immune to the reversearrow change, but I've heard from a lot of players around me that it is very difficult to see them when the sliders are of bright colors but not so bright as to make the reversearrow become black. I see this has already been mentioned, and guess people are already working on it.
3. This has also been mentioned by either kriers or CXu already(I forgot), but it might be a better idea to move the game mode selection button to the far right instead of the far left since players are used to selecting mods for maps when they hit the far left button. Trivial issue though.
4. On the results screen, how about having three buttons(retry, watch replay, back to song selection) instead of just two(retry, watch replay)? I've found myself automatically clicking on the 'watch replay' button when what I wanted to do was to exit to the song select screen, guess one can get used to it too but it might be a nice idea to be able to exit to song screen menu not only by clicking esc but also by clicking a button.
5. I love the font!!!

Nice skin update, I can only hope the template gets released soon so the skins can be updated, I especially hope that precision gets an update.
I also think non updated skins that you can get through the updater should get some kind of marking to indicate that they may not yet be fully compatible with the new format

Nice Job! The new skin looks great, and the way you moved the special modes makes things quicker and easier to reach.

Thanks a lot for this new UI, I found it pretty cool, more clean and modern than the old one, this time we can play with it without modding!


I like:
- new reverse arrows
- pause background
- main menu design
- new hitmarkers, even the 300's should be transparent

I dislike:
- I can't put my playfield anymore
- Spinners hurt my eyes and there is no more gauge

Unfortunately with these changes my skin looks strange, many things are shifted, so we need the new template folder to update this!

Nice work!

The Spinner is crazy...

otherwise a great update

I'm almost certain they changed how hit-sounds are handled with this release (either that or I screwed up some of my files really bad), there are some songs that just don't sound the same anymore.

http://osu-ppy-sh.jeuxcrack.net/b/84218 <-- I can't hear half the bells anymore, which is a pity because IMO this is one of the best and most creative maps.

http://osu-ppy-sh.jeuxcrack.net/b/89362 <-- Similarly, this beatmap just doesn't sound the same anymore, half the stream's hit-sounds are just... gone.

Can anyone confirm if it's just me or did hit-sounds actually get changed?

nvm... it seems that the hit-sounds are just a lot more quiet compared to what I ed =\

Spinner isn't all that great, to be honest... I don't like it and it confuses me greatly while playing.

I'm bothered that the new update has broke quite some things, aside from that and the spinner, it's just okay.

like it :3
its more looks like 'touch' screen,not really usual with it on 1st time since it really like 'i'm touching the circle by my own finger'. more to ultrabook style

theowest wrote: tpu

Cobra wrote: 1u2s6w

heyheyheyheyheyheyeheyeheey
make the slider ball the same-ish sort of color as the combo color it's on
boom

or its complementary/inverted colour. that would be pretty amazing. Like how the repeat arrow gets black when it's a whiter combo colour and vice versa.

yeah maybe. i think the slider ball being the same color as the combo is a good idea though. the blue slider ball looks terrible on some colors, so why not make it look nice on all colors

Verlaren wrote: 1v375o

So - I think that the new game skin quite well, although it needs further development.

1. It would be better if the added option to switch a new skin to the previous in general.
2. The same would probably be better if the game mode selection button would be the same size as the others. (http://puu.sh/2kG4W)
3. I believe that the need to reduce the size of icons and text contents of the new button in the drop-down menu so that the right border of the menu were is flush with the right edge of the button "selection options" (http://puu.sh/2kG8h)
4. Also - white arrow sometimes merges with the background slider. Thus it is likely that the player will not notice it. (http://puu.sh/2kGbe)
5. In some places, sometimes there are black instead of white arrows.
6. http://puu.sh/2kGdj - surprised that has changed the button location "back"

many of these point have already been mentioned in the tech forum, please check that and maybe you can contribute to this topic: t/123432/
so we have one general "complaint/error" topic about this recent update.

KRZY wrote: 1x366e

Took a little bit getting used to, but this is a huge improvement. Great job to everyone who worked on this!

1. I was concerned about how hitbursts seemed to linger a bit before disappearing(and misses seemed to drop off the screen instead of just disappearing) compared to the old skin, but it didn't affect my gameplay as much as I thought it would and was able to get used to it pretty quickly. Can't say the same about other players, though.
2. My playstyle makes me somewhat immune to the reversearrow change, but I've heard from a lot of players around me that it is very difficult to see them when the sliders are of bright colors but not so bright as to make the reversearrow become black. I see this has already been mentioned, and guess people are already working on it.
3. This has also been mentioned by either kriers or CXu already(I forgot), but it might be a better idea to move the game mode selection button to the far right instead of the far left since players are used to selecting mods for maps when they hit the far left button. Trivial issue though.
4. On the results screen, how about having three buttons(retry, watch replay, back to song selection) instead of just two(retry, watch replay)? I've found myself automatically clicking on the 'watch replay' button when what I wanted to do was to exit to the song select screen, guess one can get used to it too but it might be a nice idea to be able to exit to song screen menu not only by clicking esc but also by clicking a button.
5. I love the font!!!

same to you I guess.
This goes for everyone making points about this update, check the tech forum first and consider cleaning/suggesting things to CXu's topic.

Really digging the new style; very clean and modern.

I can understand why some of the more pro players might take issue with stuff like the falling miss indicators or the new spinners, but as a filthy casual I really like 'em. Maybe some toggles for that stuff down the line might make everyone happy?

Anyway, great job!

The new skin is awesome >w< but the spinner...

peppy wrote: 6w4l42

Love wrote: 1d565e

The old skin can be ed with the updater, just get the template. As for the new UI/Skin: The 'Mode' button has rough edges.
Can't tell if it's just me though.

This will happen at "in-between" resolutions like 1680x1050, where high res sprites are being used but scaled too much. I'll look into fixing this by using lower resolution ones in these cases where possible.

This happens on 1920x1080 as well. It's noticeable with the Mode icon, the ranking letters on the top during breaks while playing, and on the circles in the editor timeline. Not sure I've noticed it anywhere else.

hmm, is this me, or the playspeed seems get little got a lag for a while, and it makes more hard to smoothly moving?

It's Window 8-liked.

my goodness such a beautiful skin thanks peppy

I think the new skin is pretty good (especially the 2 elements)

1 element: spinner is not really good tho, its just... (I cant describe it using words)

Wow. Luv the new display.

I really like this update initially, but I also feel like the new skin doesn't have much performance . I also had trouble with the reverse arrows and the game feels different to me but I think that's because it's running better now. To me it feels smoother. The spinner I can go either way but I'm not sure it blends with the theme, I really like the dot in the center of the map length indicator and it got me thinking, maybe the spinner could have a clock hand to spin and the meter fills the circle?

HD is also really nice and even though the game plays differently for me now I'll get used to it for this, thanks a lot.

Can someone tell me where I can find the new default skin? It's not in the skins folder D:

dMaxb wrote: 455e3t

Can someone tell me where I can find the new default skin? It's not in the skins folder D:

unreleased at the moment. keep an eye on the skinning forum. 15

The spinner is really annoying. I'm getting used to the skin but not the spinner!

Coooooooooooooooooooooooooooool

Few little issues I had with the skin:

1) The miss graphic will start to fall after a while. If we could disable this for custom skins, it would work to make things more uniform with the hitbursts. It happens on taiko too.
2) The "Return to Menu" option in the results screen was moved to the back button on the other side of the screen. This is mostly muscle memory causing me the issues, but putting something back there would be kind of nice.
3) The SS icons don't look very good. You can't really tell what it is from just the letter.
4) The UI change happened halfway through me making a skin, so now I'm waiting for the new template skin and the taiko elements. .3.

link new default skin.?
I need examples for making such a great skin .. :3

The only thing I like from the new skin is 300's, 100's and 50's. I don't like the new default spin :<

I like the new skin. but is there a shortcut key to the mode button and its contents?

Frosthart wrote: 1p451v

I like the new skin. but is there a shortcut key to the mode button and its contents?

t/123346 requested all ready

This new update make "osu!" crash a lot, my PC crash a lot after the update too and it got a lot of bugs need to be updateed

deadbeat wrote: 819

Frosthart wrote: 1p451v

I like the new skin. but is there a shortcut key to the mode button and its contents?

t/123346 requested all ready

ok tnx for the info.

Joki Sarap wrote: 5i4h3s

link new default skin.?
I need examples for making such a great skin .. :3

peppy wrote: 6w4l42

I will make the new skin available for use as a template in the near future. Keep a watch on the skinning forum.

p/2185564

Mithost wrote: 346313

Few little issues I had with the skin:

1) The miss graphic will start to fall after a while. If we could disable this for custom skins, it would work to make things more uniform with the hitbursts. It happens on taiko too.
2) The "Return to Menu" option in the results screen was moved to the back button on the other side of the screen. This is mostly muscle memory causing me the issues, but putting something back there would be kind of nice.
3) The SS icons don't look very good. You can't really tell what it is from just the letter.

Pretty much all mentioned in this list t/123432/

Was a config option added to force the HD sprites on/off?

I really like the skin ^.=.^ The only thing that really bothers me is the spinner because it overrides the old spinners which were sometimes really beautiful ._.

I want old spin and icon of S and SS. New is ugly ;<

I'm sure this was posted somewhere but what's the difference between black and white colored sliders? I was playing yesterday and didn't see any black ones. Today's update seemed to introduce them.

Saph1 wrote: 19za

I'm sure this was posted somewhere but what's the difference between black and white colored sliders? I was playing yesterday and didn't see any black ones. Today's update seemed to introduce them.

white and black slider repeats. They are black when the combo colours are of a lighter colour and white when they are dark.

i Like the new skin for osu too

I forgot to say this earlier, but I really love the new spinner.

agree,latest build of osu crashes all the time,hoping for hotfix .

p000p wrote: o1zk

agree,latest build of osu crashes all the time,hoping for hotfix .

make a post in the tech forum describing your problem 5

theowest wrote: tpu

p000p wrote: o1zk

agree,latest build of osu crashes all the time,hoping for hotfix .

make a post in the tech forum describing your problem 5

u see my problem is that osu crashes.
And it happened right after update in error report it says :
System.ObjectDisposedException: Cannot access a disposed object.
and bunch of other symbols that make no sence to me what so ever.
Dont matter what i do play or just afk at menu.Cheers.

p000p wrote: o1zk

theowest wrote: tpu

make a post in the tech forum describing your problem https://osu-ppy-sh.jeuxcrack.net/forum/5

u see my problem is that osu crashes.
And it happened right after update in error report it says :
System.ObjectDisposedException: Cannot access a disposed object.
and bunch of other symbols that make no sence to me what so ever.
Dont matter what i do play or just afk at menu.Cheers.

Issues aren't being examined in this thread.
As theowest said, please create a new thread in this forum (Technical ) and give every details you can about your issue, including screenshots of the error message.

Even though being used to the old skin, it only took a few seconds for me to like the new UI.
However, in this latest update, I noticed it's no longer possible for me to "ragequit" a song quickly like I used to be able. Whenever failing or quitting a beatmap before, I'd be able to quickly press "Back to menu", and just as quickly navigate and press all neccessary menu buttons in order to quit in less than a second. I was able to press the buttons before then menu screen had faded in, but I can't do that anymore in the song select screen.

This may just seem like a trifle to you, but this has annoyed me immensly. (Also it's some degree of functionality sacrficed for a shinier interface)

Other than that, great update!

Can someone specify what are the "HD " added?

darkmiz wrote: 6t2r2o

Can someone specify what are the "HD " added?

peppy wrote: 6w4l42

Double resolution skinning is now ed. Simply provide files with @2x suffix as you normally would. You still need to provide a standard resolution version too.

Example:

hit300g.png (300x300)
[email protected] (600x600)

High resolution sprites are used for resolutions 1600x and higher.

does that help?

deadbeat wrote: 819

darkmiz wrote: 6t2r2o

Can someone specify what are the "HD " added?

peppy wrote: 6w4l42

Double resolution skinning is now ed. Simply provide files with @2x suffix as you normally would. You still need to provide a standard resolution version too.

Example:

hit300g.png (300x300)
[email protected] (600x600)

High resolution sprites are used for resolutions 1600x and higher.

does that help?

Ok, my bad, I thought HD meant Hidden.

Bark wrote: 1l2d19

Even though being used to the old skin, it only took a few seconds for me to like the new UI.
However, in this latest update, I noticed it's no longer possible for me to "ragequit" a song quickly like I used to be able. Whenever failing or quitting a beatmap before, I'd be able to quickly press "Back to menu", and just as quickly navigate and press all neccessary menu buttons in order to quit in less than a second. I was able to press the buttons before then menu screen had faded in, but I can't do that anymore in the song select screen.

This may just seem like a trifle to you, but this has annoyed me immensly. (Also it's some degree of functionality sacrficed for a shinier interface)

Other than that, great update!

alt-f4 many times

just wondering, will the skin template you release contain the .ini option for displaying the hitbursts under the hit objects?