And why?abraker wrote: 6cx2d
To level this uncertainty off, I ask you to analyze your own posts and come up with a detailed read on yourself.
So are my posts leaning townie or mafia? You're confusing meabraker wrote: 6cx2d
Your posts are turning out too null or leaning townie, but since I know how analytically helpful behavior goes, it can be either town or mafia.
Your posts are full of valid points and analysis, and it's hard to find a fault in them, at least for me. People are prone to bias when talking about themselves, more so when trying to hide something. It will be an interesting analysis to read because it will highlight either your bias or faults. To put it in layman , I have a hard time reading you despite your activity.Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p
And why?
I am saying that your posts are leaning townie, but they also are reminiscent of my tactics in the first game I played where I was scum.Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p
So are my posts leaning townie or mafia? You're confusing me
I'm pretty sure you need more than one bait for scumhunting.abraker wrote: 6cx2d
I am scum-hunting, but subtly. It's just that no fish took my bait yet, sadly.
I fail to see why voting me should be cautious when I'm at L-4.Hika wrote: 2p2929
we have like two more days in the game left, i'm not voting you cuz i dont see anyone else posting today? @Lincolm
I said I'm sticking my vote on him after that post, though. Because I don't see why and how his action is coming from town, at all.johnmedina999 wrote: 3r3a6s
Yes, I know what PoE is. However, you only just started PoE here. Your PoE strategy does not include all the rest of your posts against abraker when the 1v1 could have ended long ago. Again, don't hold me against my claim, because this might be perfectly normal in a game and it just may be my lack of experience.
Thanks, Lucifer, Hika wasn't L-1.Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
I HAVEN'T READ ANYTHING BUT I'M JESUS SO
Hika
Uh-huh. Because I can.Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
LOL
is this PoE on day one? How the fuck dude?
Have you considered what if they are newbie? because I read three of them as newbie.Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
Scum:
Foxtrot
johnmedina999
[ - Zekks - ]
Explain how this one indicates scum. Looks like a legit reaction to me.Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
p/6177786/
This one is less, but Hika showed similar concern here.Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
p/6181003/
Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p
No, you do have a choice. And that choice is not to off yourself. Are you trying to do this to make yourself more believable?abraker wrote: 6cx2d
Well since we can forgive zekks's concerning stupidity, PoE looks sexy as fuck, and I would like to bring my end of the deal, I guess I have no choice either
vote: abraker
It reads sour to me as disingenuous because it looks like he's trying to twist things into being scummy and then asking them if they're doing it. Feels like ez faux-scumhuntingFoxtrot wrote: 2l233p
are you deliberately avoiding my question?[ - Zekks - ] wrote: 4w4v2y
Who's her?
I am still trying to figure out Foxtrot and have trouble seeing that, but it is a helpful explanation.Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
It reads sour to me as disingenuous because it looks like he's trying to twist things into being scummy and then asking them if they're doing it. Feels like ez faux-scumhunting
Still noob enough not to know what this meansAce Timing wrote: 36512t
faux-scumhunting
rEdo wrote: p3f2b
Why are you so mean already
I haven't seen Zekks in ourrecursivetown yet, so he must be the bad guy!
Vote: [ - Zekks - ]
rEdo wrote: p3f2b
I did, except for Foxtrot. Nice try. >:)
rEdo wrote: p3f2b
Actually, I don't recall playing with john, but I saw him on the forums like a month ago or so, that's why I somehow him.
rEdo wrote: p3f2b
[quote="[ - Zekks - ]"Or I can change my vote to Lincolm, because Foxtrot has decent amount of evidence to the fact that Lincolm could be the mafia
rEdo wrote: p3f2b
wow are you serious that this quote box has fucked up LOL
rEdo wrote: p3f2b
[ - Zekks - ] wrote: 4w4v2y
Or I can change my vote to Lincolm, because Foxtrot has decent amount of evidence to the fact that Lincolm could be the mafia
What do you mean by decent?
(oh, I fucked it up.)
rEdo wrote: p3f2b
Let this one be a lesson to new guys, too: DO NOT EDIT YOUR POSTS, even if you messed up your formatting. It's third-rate, the content and the intent to send such content is the meat that we want.
rEdo wrote: p3f2b
jesus I forgot to copy my Last for osu! somewhere to at work
rEdo wrote: p3f2b
Back, catching up.
rEdo wrote: p3f2b
[ - Zekks - ] wrote: 4w4v2y
I would reconsider my vote, but I don't know to vote for
I might vote for Foxtrot, since she is trying to pin everyone on Lincolm, but that seems kinda weak, but I'll still hold onto that
Or I can change my vote to Lincolm, because Foxtrot has decent amount of evidence to the fact that Lincolm could be the mafia
What do you mean by decent?
What worries me, is the fact that he ignored my question. That was a try to fish out why is he just parrotting the two most active guys. He is either a newb townie that does not really know what is going on, or scum pretending to be one.
[ - Zekks - ] wrote: 4w4v2y
As long as I'm still alive, no mafia can't stop me
What the hell is this?
[b][color=#FF40BF]At this point Zekks is the center of attention. However, the Lincolm and Foxtrot quarrel shouldn't imply both are town. In fact, what you guys think about the following: Scum are more likely to start a frenzy questioning players in order to blend in. Ofc that is assuming scum are trying to act like town and are overdoing it.
Also I didn't see that question on bottom after my vote initially. I believe I answered it later on, though I am not sure why jump to conclusions and say "why zekks" if that's the case.
To add on to it, since I didn't see the question, I interpreted the vote as a random thing because why not. It didn't help that Lincolm's vote was the actual "why not" one. Because I saw so little care for voting, I decided to go on ahead and vote for myself with the same "why not" behavior while keeping my word from here. But frankly, my initial idea to vote for my self came from Lincom's questioning of why I did RVS, which sparked the idea of what is the most idiot RVS I can do that mafia wouldn't dare do just like that.[/color][/b]
[ - Zekks - ] wrote: 4w4v2y
I'm just confused, I'm too lazy to look over things asdf. If I die the mafia will have a higher chance of living, so if you decide to kill me off, good luck!
Until this post I thought Zekks was scum, but now I'm somewhat convinced he's just a townie that doesn't give a darn.
Lincolm and Foxtrot 1v1-ish quarrel makes me think they both are town. Zexion is as null as ever, same goes for Hika. Dawnsy goes with analysis over scumhunting, but that's usual for him. Not sure how to read john yet.
Let's try this way.
Unvote
Vote: abraker
Who's scum and why Zekks?
rEdo wrote: p3f2b
oh and back to work, I might check the thread in 2-3 hours or so.
rEdo wrote: p3f2b
If you don't give a fuck, why do you even bother playing? If you're town, you might ask for a replacement if you don't want to scumhunt with us. I know this might sound like a neckbeardish thing to say, but we're here to actually play the game, not just chill. A mafia game is somewhat a commitment.
rEdo wrote: p3f2b
Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p
Zexion wrote: 11654m
Besides, why did abraker vote himself after rEdo if he could have just done it without someone else triggering it? I asked rEdo why he chose abraker and he asked me who would I have chosen instead. I straight up told him I don't know. But he also didn't answer my question, instead asking me another one, and that's a way to dodge a question as well.
so let me ask you again rEdo, why abraker?
That's because he's the most active in my could-be-scum-list, and I wanted to pressure him to fish out his reaction. That's how I usually (and I think that's how people should generally) use my vote. Why specifically abraker? He has shown that little information I could work him. I thought of pressuring john first, but then I realised he could scumslip by trying to get back on the Zekks wagon, because that seems like the easiest lynch scum could pull out today. And hell, that's what happened.
I hate the fact that abraker has not answered my question (who's scum?) yet, too. I feel like I forced out his reads, but he doesn't seem to be actually hunting for scum.
rEdo wrote: p3f2b
johnmedina999 wrote: 3r3a6s
I just noticed that quite a few people are still worried about the Zekks train so I take that bit back.
lol
rEdo wrote: p3f2b
Lincolm wrote: 2x5543
Uhh.. there is also many questions to ask to you but my bet you won't respond them.
Isn't the fact that somebody left a question unanswered also a valuable information to work with?
rEdo wrote: p3f2b
Is anyone alive?
rEdo wrote: p3f2b
@mod: Please replace Dawnsday and perhaps extend the deadline. Ace Timing, do you want to play in the end?
Yes, if you're town it WOULD help if you were still a no vote.
By that little I did not mean so little, but a little so I could work with it. Self-voting is a terribly bad idea, especially if you were town. I am not sure but you seem way too egocentric when it comes to playing mafia in general. And I just can't help myself to think this is a scum tell.
My vote stands where it was, as my read on abraker changed from leaning scum to scum.
By the way...
Hika wrote: 2p2929
abraker ur doing the same thing i dont think is a town move and im not going to vote you because it's dumb
Was that a warning from your scumpartner?[/quote]
What? I asked them a question and they completely ignored it but because they asked "who's she" that means they actually read it. I was rightfully irritatedAce Timing wrote: 36512t
It reads sour to me as disingenuous because it looks like he's trying to twist things into being scummy and then asking them if they're doing it. Feels like ez faux-scumhuntingFoxtrot wrote: 2l233p
are you deliberately avoiding my question?
By recursive I just meant that we're playing the mafia game over and over. We keep scumhunting, we keep dying, etcetera.abraker wrote: 6cx2d
RVS vote. Recursive likely hints nothing, though it would be nice of rEdo did say something regarding it
rEdo wrote: p3f2b
Why are you so mean already
I haven't seen Zekks in ourrecursivetown yet, so he must be the bad guy!
Vote: [ - Zekks - ]
Because I saw that as a RVS quarrel and did not take it seriously, so I'd rather wait and see what people have to say.abraker wrote: 6cx2d
Detail picking, but what is interesting is that rEdo completely miss Lincolm's color fiasco as well as him asking too many questions for comfort. Instead rEdo went straight to Zekks. Now this might be due to laziness on mobile judging by how it's hard to fuck up a simple quote box on pc, but then attempting to correct it instead of saying "fuck it" tells me otherwise. So the questions remains open: why didn't rEdo pick up on Lincolm before or after reponding to zekks in that session?
I have already addressed that.abraker wrote: 6cx2d
I am most active yet I provide so little information. Well I can say same about Foxtrot, so eh. It does look like the pressuring John thing is sincere.
I'm not sure. He has provided ISO analyses for two people so far, and I want to say that he's just trying to move the game forward, as we only have 30 hours left.rEdo wrote: p3f2b
john, what do you think of abraker?
and proceeded to analyse an ISO; I want to say that he's just trying to move the game forward (because there was a 9 hour delay between his post and the last) but another possibility would be that he has the largest number of votes and is trying to get them off desperately because he doesn't want to flip scum. Personally, though, I would just say it's the former.abraker wrote: 6cx2d
Wow nobody? Did we run out of ideas on how to find scum or something?
I think it is very natural responseAce Timing wrote: 36512t
It's not the scummiest ISO on earth but it's hard to get a baseline like this lol
Ahoy, mine too.Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p
sorry guys I had my first day of work today
Why not both? Why not because it was worrying not seeing a response for that long with the day nearing end and why not because suicide D1 is an darn awful way to go regardless what alignment I am? I would be lying if I said that I am not looking for reasons to justify changing my vote to someone else. What might happen is that I change my vote a few hours before the day is up, and that will surely make me look like scum even more. I am digging myself further into this hole as I post, but what to do?johnmedina999 wrote: 3r3a6s
I want to say that he's just trying to move the game forward (because there was a 9 hour delay between his post and the last) but another possibility would be that he has the largest number of votes and is trying to get them off desperately because he doesn't want to flip scum. Personally, though, I would just say it's the former.rEdo wrote: p3f2b
john, what do you think of abraker?
I realized you read me as scum. That is the expected consequence of the self vote and me accidentally ignoring your question.rEdo wrote: p3f2b
You literally ignored the fact that I scumread you, or perhaps you must have missed that. So?
Dawnsday wrote: 366838
Hello! Sorry for the delay. Catching up on everything now and will do the do
Dawnsday wrote: 366838
Judging that I didn't skip a post/some super relevant info I'm in the neutral party currently: Lincolm attempted a..? Thing? and John responded with the choice to abstain from any info rather than straight up claiming his PM text was green.
John also seems to be willing to progress other lines of reading (see; his most recent post) whereas Lincolm has stuck to explaining his play. Nothing solid for me atm
My entire opinion on the entire "PM color" thing is that no matter what John responded (even red?), it couldn't be taken at face value ever. He responds green? Duh he's scum, or town. Leaving you with nothing. He responds with nor green nor red? Great, he's given you nothing. He responds red? He can simply claim he was trying to see how far you'd push him as a newb and how devoted you'd be to taking such info at face value. (Though I'm not sure I'd even consider this a possbility in hindsight, just pointing out that even in the most extreme of responses it could be played off.) therefore I think the entire concept of asking for his PM color was flawed in response.
Again, siding with neither of you on this one.
Foxtrot did the same amount of nosing around on the subject as I did so, neutral on her.
Dawnsday wrote: 366838
Zexion wrote: 11654m
Dawnsday wrote: 366838
My entire opinion on the entire "PM color" thing is that no matter what John responded (even red?), it couldn't be taken at face value ever. He responds green? Duh he's scum, or town. Leaving you with nothing. He responds with nor green nor red? Great, he's given you nothing. He responds red? He can simply claim he was trying to see how far you'd push him as a newb and how devoted you'd be to taking such info at face value. (Though I'm not sure I'd even consider this a possbility in hindsight, just pointing out that even in the most extreme of responses it could be played off.) therefore I think the entire concept of asking for his PM color was flawed in response.
I think you're just overanalyzing a bad newb-test Lincolm did.
I'm looking at it critically but maybe you're right. I stand by that the concept was flawed, I have no idea as to Lincolm's experience but I'm just giving my opinion on the matter. I stand by that it COULD potentially have been a scum play but I agree that it's just a shortsighted newb test.
Dawnsday wrote: 366838
Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p
interesting that you mention a connection between Lincolm and Zekks, Dawnsday
Zekks recently wrote this
Zekks wrote: 102o9
idc, as long as I'm walking, there's no stopping for me 'w'
and I asked her to clarify on this, but she hasn't told me anything yet. I know, I might be looking too hard for clues, but that is such an odd thing to say
It is odd agreed. It's possible this is just fluff memery (however inappropriate one may deem it in a thread). I'm also quite eager to hear the reasoning for it but on the whole I don't think there's too too much that can be read into.
Dawnsday wrote: 366838
Vote: Zekks
Maybe this gives you the incentive to "look things over". You're setting off my scumdar now.
Dawnsday wrote: 366838
last mod post, he was 1 vote, me and fox voted so that's 3?
L-2 I think but not sure of it's accuracy.
/shrug
Kinda hope Zekks posts soon, been scummy the entire time and this latest post doesn't help :S
Dawnsday wrote: 366838
Lincolm wrote: 2x5543
Somehow this question doesn't posted in my previous post.
Dawnsday wrote: 366838
furthering the narrative that Zekks & Lincolm seems to have some connection
What do you mean by "connection" between me and Zekks? Do you mean scum-scum interaction or something? What if one or both of us town?
You and Zekks seemed to speak to eachother a lot, you were asking Zekks for his thoughts about John (you've explained this to be solely down to online s but I'm still iffy.)
Not saying it's scum scum but I'm not sure about buddying in any scenario as townies.
Dawnsday wrote: 366838
Lincolm wrote: 2x5543
Dawnsday wrote: 366838
You and Zekks seemed to speak to eachother a lot, you were asking Zekks for his thoughts about John (you've explained this to be solely down to online s but I'm still iffy.)
I think there are more interaction between me and Foxtrot now. What do you think about that?
Incomparable. This is currently an open discussion, not a simple "hey X what do you think about Y" out of the blue (where X is currently most people's top scumread). You x Foxtrot interaction is limited to discussion, not the half-buddying I witnessed, again. I'm not claiming it to be scum-scum buddying. Was just an observation I made when rereading the thread.
Lincolm wrote: 2x5543
Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p
it's not like we can't unvote, so why would you say that? is zekks getting too many votes for your liking?
As abraker and Hika scum-read Zekks also, I would like you guys to see other players as I don't think Zekks is scum for now. Also, you can go unvote and vote him back. It's not about the votes, but everyone seems too focused on Zekks.
Somehow, I'm pretty sure there is no point in pressuring or waiting Zekks. But if you want to stick your vote, I don't mind also.
Explain? When asked to open up on certain things he simply says "I'm too lazy" and literally applies a logical fallacy (Appeals to emotion in his statement that if we lynch him we'll give mafia a higher probability.)
I'm not saying he's guaranteed scum but he should 100% be setting off some alarms in your head right about now.
Dawnsday wrote: 366838
looking forward to posts from rEdo and Zexion honestly, haven't seen enough to get reads.
Also even if Zekks isn't a redname his posts don't exactly scream "pro-town" to me so I'm still entirely set on getting some info from him, obviously I'm open to let him go and follow other reads if we get any but this is defo the flavor of the day controversy for me.
Dawnsday wrote: 366838
Zekks play is anti town but I think he's just a bit clueless. I'm gonna drop it for now but if we turn up nothing I'm going to go for a policy lynch.
unvote
If zekks is a town, then we can expect zekks to be the victim at night. Depending on the PR dawnsday think zekks might have and if Dawnsday is scum, it would be in his best interest to lynch zekks. However, we seem him let zekks go. Doesn't make sense if dawnsday is scum
Dawnsday wrote: 366838
I actually catch a hint of Zekks possibly being PR because of his "lynch me and mafia have a higher chance" post. It just seems that something a noob with a power role would say, could be entirely wrong but it's 100% a possibility in my mind and one that wouldn't shock me if it were to be true.
Also +1 to Foxtrot's point about John and Zexion needing to post more content. It's hard to get reads on people who don't converse
Will post later
Dawnsday wrote: 366838
Lincolm wrote: 2x5543
, but I hate policy lynch also.
Why? If he's not commited to reading he's going to hurt town in the long run. It's not FUN to policy lynch rest assured I'd rather the idea was never even conceived but honestly.
I agree we shouldnt straight call it a day here and lynch but it should 100% be an option for us moving forward.
Dawnsday wrote: 366838
I have little to no faith in the power of PoE currently, seriously it's day 1.
Also, how and why does selfvoting exist in mafia; I seriously fail to see it's applications in any useful scenario. The last time I saw it used was BBoy last game and he did it to CLAIM he was scum.
Any other time it's used it's just straight up weird. Anyone explain it's use here? (Sorry I'm still learning mafia apparently).
unvote
removing my vote on Zekks because this is a weird gamestate
Dawnsday wrote: 366838
Hika wrote: 2p2929
Also, self voting strategy shouldn't be mentioned here. Maybe google it cause we're currently in game and dont want mafia doing anything with that information.
Aight, ty anyway.
Dawnsday wrote: 366838
Going to give my reads and throw a few observations of mine into the mix
Foxtrot: As everyone has said, she looks largely townie. I have no reason not to have the same assumption, I'm weary but given what small meta I know this is likely to be a townie.
Lincolm: His 1v1 with Foxtrot earlygame gives me 2 townies trying to pry vibes. Everything he posts to me looks very very pro town agenda and for now he's a slight townread but this is subject to change moving forward
John: Posts strike me as just a new townie (Same as lincolm), I'm also swayed by his reaction to policy lynching (He's a newb but he understands the townie benefits of PL)
Abraker: Largely null but he's trying to help town, Selfvote earlygame gives me a strong townie vibe from him
Null Zone is Zexion, rEdo, Zekks, Hika
Zexion - Inactive.
rEdo - Not enough content to sway me over but he's more realistically nulltown.
Zekks - I felt like making a "Zekks" zone and putting him in it for the rest of the game, we played irc mafia earlier and he seemed competent as a mafia (he actually won rofl.), his mafia strategy largely entailed parroting the most active townies just enough to stay out of suspicion. But IRC is a different beast to forum so I have no idea how reliable any of it is. He stays in null permanently probably.
Hika - Actually one of my strongest "gut" feelings I've had in a mafia game thus far. Everything Hika posts rubs me the wrong way, I'm going to link specific posts eventually (pressed for time here atm) but a lot of what she posts just FEELS SO "LAMIST" to me, I'm willing to accept I'm probably wrong on this one and I'm just being paranoid but it's a read and I have it so that's that. Keeping in null because there's nothing I have beyond my gut.
Dawnsday wrote: 366838
there was an attempt
Dawnsday wrote: 366838
Hika wrote: 2p2929
Also, self voting strategy shouldn't be mentioned here. Maybe google it cause we're currently in game and dont want mafia doing anything with that information.
Strikes me as a LAMIST post mainly due to the "dont want mafia doing anything with that information". Just feels like such a weird addition to the sentence in general, ending at "we're currently in game" would've been acceptable but the last bit seems to be tacked on solely to remind us you're not mafia.
Also upon actually rereading you don't have as many posts I find questionable as I seem to have ed. You're probably still pretty null for me honestly. Sorry for forcing you to do stuff on your drinking night, I'm just giving my honest views!
also @mod can we have a votecount
Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
I HAVEN'T READ ANYTHING BUT I'M JESUS SO
Hika
Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
fuck
Vote: Hika
Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
ok i just started reading and stuff
Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p
Lincolm wrote: 2x5543
That's logical answer. And no, I just ask if you get red or green colour, hoping you to answer red somehow.
Well-written flavour, though.
why would he answer red? are you trying to distract us from actual scum and shift the attention to the new players?
Hey Zekks, what do you think about John?
this further proves my suspicion; stop trying to initiate a bandwagon, it's not working
Vote: Lincolm
this is horrible lmao
Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p
you're acting very scummy, zekks. if you're town, i advise you to stop it. you're most likely not.
I'm starting to think this is playstyle cause you sound so forced and unnatural
Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
Lincolm wrote: 2x5543
Vote : abraker because PoE (L-3)
LOL
is this PoE on day one? How the fuck dude?
Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
Dawnsday wrote: 366838
Lincolm wrote: 2x5543
, but I hate policy lynch also.
Why? If he's not commited to reading he's going to hurt town in the long run. It's not FUN to policy lynch rest assured I'd rather the idea was never even conceived but honestly.
I read this as dawn actually saying he'd like it better if zekks was never conceived and I was laughing so hard
Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
Hika wrote: 2p2929
I have more people in the red rather than green, sad to say
me_irl
y'all are so scummy for no reason
Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
abraker wrote: 6cx2d
To level this uncertainty off, I ask you to analyze your own posts and come up with a detailed read on yourself.
LOL
Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
holy shit you guys have me rolling
Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
ok it took me about 20 minutes to read everything, which was, disappointing, to say the least.
I want to say my reads are something like
Town:
Zexion
Hika
abraker
Null:
rEdo
Lincolm
Scum:
Foxtrot
johnmedina999
[ - Zekks - ]
Which is too many scum for the purposes of this game.
Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
abraker was initially scum, which had me at more scum than town lol
Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
yes they are newbie and scum
ty for adjectives
Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
Lincolm wrote: 2x5543
So you like your vote in Hika, your townread, instead your scumread? Interesting choice
I'm exceedingly lazy
Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
rEdo wrote: p3f2b
@Ace Timing: what makes you think Foxtrot is scum?
He's got a tone of awkwardness and stiffness that I don't particularly like. I also find a few of his posts quite egregrious.
Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
https://osu-ppy-sh.jeuxcrack.net/forum/p/6181003/" rel="nofollow">https://osu-ppy-sh.jeuxcrack.net/forum/p/6181003/
These posts are some examples of such
It's not the scummiest ISO on earth but it's hard to get a baseline like this lol
Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p
abraker wrote: 6cx2d
Well since we can forgive zekks's concerning stupidity, PoE looks sexy as fuck, and I would like to bring my end of the deal, I guess I have no choice either
vote: abraker
No, you do have a choice. And that choice is not to off yourself. Are you trying to do this to make yourself more believable?
Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p
[ - Zekks - ] wrote: 4w4v2y
Who's her?
are you deliberately avoiding my question?
It reads sour to me as disingenuous because it looks like he's trying to twist things into being scummy and then asking them if they're doing it. Feels like ez faux-scumhunting
abraker wrote: 6cx2d
Still noob enough not to know what this meansAce Timing wrote: 36512t
faux-scumhunting
Just because you're projecting yourself onto me? There's not enough time for me to analyze my posts and I don't think it's necessary. Also I don't particularly feel like it because I don't think it would help the game in any way.abraker wrote: 6cx2d
To level this uncertainty off, I ask you to analyze your own posts and come up with a detailed read on yourself.
I didn't ask why you're not voting for abraker, I asked why you need votecount for read. I realize this is old, but that's not exactly what I asked.Hika wrote: 2p2929
I dont want scum to come along and 'accidentally' hammer abraker also. Would be dumb for anyone else to vote him without a complete town decision. hope you see where im coming from
What do you mean "why not both"? That implies that you don't want to flip scum but at the same time you want to move the game forward. Is that what you're trying to say here?abraker wrote: 6cx2d
Why not both? Why not because it was worrying not seeing a response for that long with the day nearing end and why not because suicide D1 is an darn awful way to go regardless what alignment I am? I would be lying if I said that I am not looking for reasons to justify changing my vote to someone else. What might happen is that I change my vote a few hours before the day is up, and that will surely make me look like scum even more. I am digging myself further into this hole as I post, but what to do?
I don't want to be voted off D1 and I don't want things to let be since there is still a lot left to analyze.Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p
What do you mean "why not both"? That implies that you don't want to flip scum but at the same time you want to move the game forward. Is that what you're trying to say here?
Oh shit dawnsday isn't on this read! What gives?johnmedina999 wrote: 3r3a6s
abraker wrote: 6cx2d
@John
Your reads?ng else.[/list]
- I don't know much about Zexion, or Hika, so I cannot say anything for them.
- I can't say much about redo either, but due to his last post, I would say he's town, but I'm not too sure.
- Foxtrot is also town to me, her posts analyze all players very well and she pushes people to give info, I don't think that's associated as scum.
- As abraker pointed out, they both post similarly, very neutral, very analytic. Personally, I don't like this "poker face" style of play because there is really nothing to analyze; abraker played like this last game as well, and he got lynched, and he flipped town, so I don't know about these two.
abraker, however, with his self-vote, is starting to flip towards the mafia side, because of the reasons previously posted. I will have my eye on you.- Zekks is lazy and may be either town or mafia.
- Lincolm is leaning towards scum, he is very defensive explaining his actions and doesn't really offer
Well why is Hika your town read? It still puts me off that hika needed vote count for reads. Hammer or no hammer, vote count should be an honest opinion. If the person needs one vote to lynch and you think that person is scum, you need to say it so that person and other can respond to it.Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
I mean if you do threaten to lynch Hika I'm gonna unvote, because she's my townread... That's not a very good associative read there bud.
Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
It's really not though
Except it is. Needing a vote count before giving reads implies that the reads are based on who has votes or not. Following me so far?Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
It's really not though
That's exactly what we're doing, if you haven't noticed.Hika wrote: 2p2929
idk why I play with newbies bc you guys miss the point of playing mafia
The whole point is to AS A TEAM, come up with a lynch before deadline, otherwise we might get rekt AS A TEAM
Just because people have their guns pointed at you doesn't mean that no one is playing as a team; three people have you under their radar, while a couple more have their eye on you. Why are you getting paranoid now that the day is almost over?Hika wrote: 2p2929
And it's more suspicious that three people are still on my case about it
Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
the hammer isn't the only aspect of the vote count relevant to reads. Sometimes a VC doesn't make sense with your reads, and a readover is necessary.
As you are going through reading the posts, you can keep track of the vote count on your own. It's a bold action separate from much else. If you are lazy to do that much, then my understanding is that you just skimmed through posts and picked whatever best fit your needs. It would have been faster to go through the posts and do a vote count yourself than wait a few days for bboy. I went through all 18 (now 19) pages at least 6 times in the past few hours while compiling player data. It's not that hard.Hika wrote: 2p2929
I don't understand what's so hard to get with me wanting vote counts
You're comparing my reads to my slot's earlier reads, which is NAI at best. You're forcing a connection where there isn't one.Ok, fair
Any thoughts about any player help, especially if that player is self. Was worth the try anyway, didn't expect much after Foxtrot declined.Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
I'm not going to do that. That wouldn't help you at all.
My logic isn't "scum won't do scummy things". Anything scummy is instantly on radar, and it's the easiest to pick up upon. It's townie actions which are hard to decipher because both town and scum would do it. Because those actions can be either scum or town, and I evaluate both possibilities and draw conclusions. I am yet to post a grand total analysis of all major player actions with both sides to each action, but it is in the works. Players that played with me before can vouch that I am not bullshitting about making it.Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
With the logic of "scum won't do scummy things," your scumhunting is extremely limited. Scumhunting is a townie action, and thus it's scum's prerogative to fake doing so; fake scumhunting is inherently scummy and it stops there. You're bending over backwards to tell me some irrelevant method of scumhunting from you that isn't applicable here.
Also this is missing an answer to why you think Hika is town. It just has a counter toward my argument that Hika might be scum for the weird VC request.Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
>Well why is Hika your town read? It still puts me off that hika needed vote count for reads. Hammer or no hammer, vote count should be an honest opinion. If the person needs one vote to lynch and you think that person is scum, you need to say it so that person and other can respond to it.
the hammer isn't the only aspect of the vote count relevant to reads. Sometimes a VC doesn't make sense with your reads, and a readover is necessary.
Hika wrote: 2p2929
playing osu! mafia is bad because we always tend to panic our votes which is why I kept stressing the deadline so much before.
Oh it will def end with panic. Given the activity, there won't be enough time to decide on anything. At least a few Zex posts will be a miracle, I have yet to take a good look at Foxtrot, and it will be a few hours before time is up when I post my compiled analysis, giving others little time to respond.Hika wrote: 2p2929
I'm not paranoid, I'm just trying to figure out how today is going to end with 20 hrs left
>implying that post hoc ergo propter hocjohnmedina999 wrote: 3r3a6s
Except it is. Needing a vote count before giving reads implies that the reads are based on who has votes or not. Following me so far?
That means that if someone (Hika's partner) has too many votes for her taste, she would read that person as town: if not, and the person was safe for the time being, it would be OK to read that person as scum.
I lie eagerly in wait.abraker wrote: 6cx2d
My logic isn't "scum won't do scummy things". Anything scummy is instantly on radar, and it's the easiest to pick up upon. It's townie actions which are hard to decipher because both town and scum would do it. Because those actions can be either scum or town, and I evaluate both possibilities and draw conclusions. I am yet to post a grand total analysis of all major player actions with both sides to each action, but it is in the works. Players that played with me before can vouch that I am not bullshitting about making it.
I know that.abraker wrote: 6cx2d
Also this is missing an answer to why you think Hika is town. It just has a counter toward my argument that Hika might be scum for the weird VC request.Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
>Well why is Hika your town read? It still puts me off that hika needed vote count for reads. Hammer or no hammer, vote count should be an honest opinion. If the person needs one vote to lynch and you think that person is scum, you need to say it so that person and other can respond to it.
the hammer isn't the only aspect of the vote count relevant to reads. Sometimes a VC doesn't make sense with your reads, and a readover is necessary.
I already explained why I think your behavior is suspicious too many times and you just instantly assume I meant your VOTE. Why do your READS need the VC? It is suspicious that your reads are gonna be based on the VC because then you can easily target people who are about to get lynched off/threaten your role. And you're getting too heated up about people being weary of your actions, even though you were L-4 at the time (now L-3 I believe, and Ace voted for you with no reason but that's fine for you? Even after RSV was long over? Even though he voted for you, he seems rather eager to go out of his way to stand up with you, which makes NO SENSE.)Hika wrote: 2p2929
Just because people have their guns pointed at you doesn't mean that no one is playing as a team; three people have you under their radar, while a couple more have their eye on you. Why are you getting paranoid now that the day is almost over?
Also I didn't want to point out Zekks could have said that because of doctor. Yeah, another reason not to vote him.Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
With the logic of "scum won't do scummy things," your scumhunting is extremely limited. Scumhunting is a townie action, and thus it's scum's prerogative to fake doing so; fake scumhunting is inherently scummy and it stops there. You're bending over backwards to tell me some irrelevant method of scumhunting from you that isn't applicable here.
Is this sarcasm?Hika wrote: 2p2929
Thanks for letting me know your opinion on that @Zex.
I might just be very cautious about it is all. I just had an issue a few years back playing an I accidentally hammered without noticing VC. I'm just very curious when it comes to that and I can even link that game if I need to.
It's lazy. But understandable. And it's getting a bit old.Hika wrote: 2p2929
I don't understand what's so hard to get with me wanting vote counts
1.) I was fine with him voting me because he was a replacement that didn't even read anything when he got in the game. Did you even see what he said when he voted me lol? You play too seriously for your own good and it's not fluent in of how you're typing.Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p
(now L-3 I believe, and Ace voted for you with no reason but that's fine for you? Even after RSV was long over? Even though he voted for you, he seems rather eager to go out of his way to stand up with you, which makes NO SENSE.)
I refuse to believe that this was a legit reason to hold out on reads for you. I have dropped my shit after seeing this, and put out my vote, because it look as if it is meant to mock me. But going deeper, the fact you are refusing to share your read on Hika makes me suspicious of whether you are doing it so to not to talk about your scum partner or to allow the setup of an unconditional bandwagon on Hika. In either way, if you thought I would vote Hika for not understanding the why Hika's VC thing, you are wrong.Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
I'm waiting for the VC to give my read on Hika
Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
you're saying dawnsday suspected zekks was a medic and thought he would doc himself?
1. doctors can't do that on this site
2. there's daychat, ergo his whole team would be on that wagon.
It doesn't take a genius to know what his comments might imply, especially after Hika mentioned that it could be a hint toward a PR here. Zexion itted he had the same PR as me in mind. No point in hiding it. It could have been a carefree behavior from scum, but since zekks got replaced, I doubt that care free behavior was a tactic. Using a dumb tactic on purpose and getting replaced later for inactivity sounds illogical to me. I wish I could ask zekks if he thinks doctor can vote self earlier when there was less suspicion of it being PR, but too late for that.Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
let me preface this by saying WHAT THE FUCK ARE YOU DOING FISHING FOR PRS. Beyond that, he's obviously fucking joking, and scum are equally liable to fuck around as town. This is another NAI point.
This post rubs the wrong way on multiple s:Hika wrote: 2p2929
idk why I play with newbies bc you guys miss the point of playing mafia
The whole point is to AS A TEAM, come up with a lynch before deadline, otherwise we might get rekt AS A TEAM
I brought it up in my previous post but I do honestly feel there is a correlation between scum and caution (obviously, wanting constant updates on VC at this point is a sign of caution), scum often feel showing caution seems so pro-town so i'm skeptical of people who constantly emphasize their caution for this reason.Hika wrote: 2p2929
I don't understand what's so hard to get with me wanting vote counts
And why the hell would you need VC to see who you can pressure? You never even said that part. And why am I acting scum when what you just said is actually pretty scummy in itself? You kind of proved mine and abraker's point now.Hika wrote: 2p2929
I'm not being paranoid, I'm trying to defend myself. I see I have a lot of votes on me and I should change that?? You've literally ignored most of my posts except the one's where I'm asking for VC. I only said I needed VC for my reads ONE TIME, and that wasn't to my reads, it was to see who the hell I can pressure because it was the most accurate thing to do at the time. If that's not clear to you idk what the hell is. You're acting more scummy than the other people voting me.
Hika wrote: 2p2929
My reads obviously influence town and I didn't want anyone to be like "okay so then vote abraker! *vote*" and have someone sneaky accidentally hammer. I don't think anyone is understanding this. And I dont want to be the only fucking one concerned about that but it's odd that no one else is caring about that.
Maybe when you accuse me of scumslips, actually show me where I did? It's easy for you to say that without showing any proof. And what makes you say that I'm not realizing my mistakes? I literally did a post about that.Hika wrote: 2p2929
I'm going to also add, Fox, you should honestly read over your ISO as abraker says and get back to us. You're playing badly without even realizing it. You've let up a few scumslips.
Why are you playing in a newbie game if all you're going to do is act this way towards oneHika wrote: 2p2929
I know he didn't say that lol I'm saying that
He didn't show intention of playing however!Zexion wrote: 11654m
It's literally impossible for Zekks' post to be bluff or a reaction test. HE WOULD HAVE FOLLOWED IT INSTEAD OF DISSAPEARING.
Besides that kind of move is pretty hard to do for a newbie (tho he may not be it).
I did, that's on you for assuming.Hika wrote: 2p2929
I just didn't think you see when I said I'll quote you when I am able to
No, I didn't say that. And that wasn't meant just for me, but for also the other time you complained about being in a newbie game.Hika wrote: 2p2929
I don't think anyone knows how I actually type which is weird to me and idk why you all take it so personal.
I'm not insulting anyone and idk how Fox's last quoted post shows me playing a certain type of wa
Hold on. What makes you think Ace has a real reason for waiting for a VC or it's just something to taunt Hika's way of playing? About Dawnsday push's on Zekks, I thought someone said it was genuine due to being few minutes after that post? Now it's scum indicative? Foxtrot may as well be scum for that same last reason. Your conclusion is quite hasty.abraker wrote: 6cx2d
Hika's need for VC is less scummy than Ace's refusal to help explain why Hika is a townread by requesting a VC himself. Sounds like a setup for something. Also considering how Dawnsday previously decided to push for zekks lynch, there is def something up. My vote and read is justified. Dawn/Ace is scum.
abraker wrote: 6cx2d
It doesn't take a genius to know what his comments might imply, especially after Hika mentioned that it could be a hint toward a PR here. Zexion itted he had the same PR as me in mind. No point in hiding it. It could have been a carefree behavior from scum, but since zekks got replaced, I doubt that care free behavior was a tactic. Using a dumb tactic on purpose and getting replaced later for inactivity sounds illogical to me. I wish I could ask zekks if he thinks doctor can vote self earlier when there was less suspicion of it being PR, but too late for that.
It's definitely bad to point out so much evidence for zekks being doctor since that would make aomi the NK candidate #1, but it best we accept the fact zekks goofed up and work from there.
Hika wrote: 2p2929
Wait, may I see proof where someone said something about zekks being a doctor?
I only mentioned PR because of what Zekks said.
I didn't mention what kind of PR bc the setup is random...
I'm very curious to know what you think is up.abraker wrote: 6cx2d
Hika's need for VC is less scummy than Ace's refusal to help explain why Hika is a townread by requesting a VC himself. Sounds like a setup for something. Also considering how Dawnsday previously decided to push for zekks lynch, there is def something up.
