loljohnmedina999 wrote: 3r3a6s
I just noticed that quite a few people are still worried about the Zekks train so I take that bit back.
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It is normal things to do in MS, but MS has 2 weeks for the day. It makes sense for me. You bandwagon people, you get his reaction, you get interaction between people why did they pressure that person initially and why didn't they pressure him. You townread him, you unvote.abraker wrote: 6cx2d
Slight correction: He bandwagons with no real justification, and makes it seem like it is a normal thing to do. I get it if you are trying to choke out activity or info, but it doesn't make sense otherwise.abraker wrote: 6cx2d
Lincolm: The only problem is that he bandwagons with no real justification. Just declare a bandwagon, he will be second to hop on it
The thing is you're trying to make everyone who make bandwagons bad right now, so no one is going to vote their scumread, even for smallest gut, because "he is bandwagoning people". When this town are going to vote? When they are sure 100% someone is scum? If you scumread me, then you should have vote me instead self-voting.
Maybe your previous game makes you more aware with everyone's vote, but let's be honest, you could just vote - unvote when you doubt your read - vote again and so on.
Also, here is my statement regarding this :
I want you to respond this.Lincolm wrote: 2x5543
So what? No one pressure. No one pushing. Waiting more contents. PoE is less accurate thing to find scum, but is there any accurate method to find scum without power role? Is it wrong to use PoE? Why is L-3 (or maybe you thought it was L-2) a dangerous thing for you? even rEdo (plus someone if you really thought it was L-2) doesn't tell explicitly why did he vote you.
Uhh.. there is also many questions to ask to you but my bet you won't respond them.
Why are you suddenly referring this?Hika wrote: 2p2929
also i just think it looks bad on lincolm to vote me after he sees a vote already on me, referring to an earlier page
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Anyway, I understand this setup.
Would it help if I was still a no vote?Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p
And abraker is already voting for himself for the sake of PoE and he genuinely thinks that's gonna help town in the long run, but that's just dumb. It's not worth losing two town people over this.
I think I showed well enough info to work with here. If you still think that's not enough, then you are doing poor analysis.rEdo wrote: p3f2b
He has shown that little information I could work him
I prob missed it, and my first read was entirely voluntary action after reading this post. It reminded me about reads, so I decided to do one. My second read was due to escalated matters with PoE, uncertainty with zekks, end of Lincolm's color fiasco, and foxtrot giving a solid impression.rEdo wrote: p3f2b
I hate the fact that abraker has not answered my question (who's scum?) yet, too. I feel like I forced out his reads, but he doesn't seem to be actually hunting for scum.
But I didn'tLincolm wrote: 2x5543
If you scumread me, then you should have vote me instead self-voting.
I try to minimize voting I have little justification forLincolm wrote: 2x5543
Maybe your previous game makes you more aware with everyone's vote, but let's be honest, you could just vote - unvote when you doubt your read - vote again and so on.
Also Dawnsday got restricted and doubt he is coming back according to this.
@mod: Please replace Dawnsday and perhaps extend the deadline. Ace Timing, do you want to play in the end?
Yes, if you're town it WOULD help if you were still a no vote.
By that little I did not mean so little, but a little so I could work with it. Self-voting is a terribly bad idea, especially if you were town. I am not sure but you seem way too egocentric when it comes to playing mafia in general. And I just can't help myself to think this is a scum tell.
My vote stands where it was, as my read on abraker changed from leaning scum to scum.
By the way...
Yes, if you're town it WOULD help if you were still a no vote.
By that little I did not mean so little, but a little so I could work with it. Self-voting is a terribly bad idea, especially if you were town. I am not sure but you seem way too egocentric when it comes to playing mafia in general. And I just can't help myself to think this is a scum tell.
My vote stands where it was, as my read on abraker changed from leaning scum to scum.
By the way...
Was that a warning from your scumpartner?Hika wrote: 2p2929
abraker ur doing the same thing i dont think is a town move and im not going to vote you because it's dumb
It may just be my lack of experience, but I think Lincolm and abraker have been 1v1-ing for far too long, it's starting to look like bussing to me. Ever since this post, where Lincolm invokes abraker out of the blue, and the two start arguing. This wasn't suspicious back then, but certainly looks suspicious now; Lincolm might say that he was one of the only people active at the time and that it was random, but there was redo and Zekks to ask as well; why would he specifically choose abraker to invoke?
It doesn't help that almost all of both abraker's and Lincolm's posts have been fighting with each other, either. Either they're bussing each other, or one of them is town taking advantage of the situation.
It doesn't help that almost all of both abraker's and Lincolm's posts have been fighting with each other, either. Either they're bussing each other, or one of them is town taking advantage of the situation.
I don't think he did that out of the blue, rather he did that to pull him into the game because he was kind of just.. there?
But I'm not disagreeing with you completely, I can see where you're coming from. I think at this point, Lincolm is running out of people to pin down so he's going to hop from one person to the next and see if he can do reaction tests? imo
But I'm not disagreeing with you completely, I can see where you're coming from. I think at this point, Lincolm is running out of people to pin down so he's going to hop from one person to the next and see if he can do reaction tests? imo
LMAO, you think I'm scumbuddies with abraker? I'm town bro.rEdo wrote: p3f2b
Was that a warning from your scumpartner?
If anything, I'd probably be voting him or Lincolm.
abraker because he doesn't seem like he understands the impact of him self-voting. I think redo explains it the way I would like to explain it myself. I can tolerate a NL vote > self vote.
Posting before sleep but somehow I ended being really pissed off with some posts...
Yeah, but I consider what if he missed it or just skim at that time.rEdo wrote: p3f2b
Isn't the fact that somebody left a question unanswered also a valuable information to work with?Lincolm wrote: 2x5543
Uhh.. there is also many questions to ask to you but my bet you won't respond them.
And yet, you never engage first for hunting the scum. If you're town, good job. Double thumbs up. And probably you missed where I said my reason to vote you isn't because PoE anymore.abraker wrote: 6cx2d
I try to minimize voting I have little justification for
Any reason why are you not voting me in there or now? I'm pretty sure there is no change in vote count when you said it. You might don't want to vote abraker because it will put him in L-1, you think Zekks could be PR for you, but why did you not vote me?Hika wrote: 2p2929
I said that because I want to vote Lincolm out.
I don't know what to say, how is it "too long"? I even said I choose abraker because PoE for initial reason. Do you even know what is PoE?johnmedina999 wrote: 3r3a6s
It may just be my lack of experience, but I think Lincolm and abraker have been 1v1-ing for far too long, it's starting to look like bussing to me. Ever since this post, where Lincolm invokes abraker out of the blue, and the two start arguing. This wasn't suspicious back then, but certainly looks suspicious now; Lincolm might say that he was one of the only people active at the time and that it was random, but there was redo and Zekks to ask as well; why would he specifically choose abraker to invoke?
This post is just rubbing me so hard and wrong. I don't even know if this is a reason for scumread me or a reason why are you not voting me or both.Hika wrote: 2p2929
But I'm not disagreeing with you completely, I can see where you're coming from. I think at this point, Lincolm is running out of people to pin down so he's going to hop from one person to the next and see if he can do reaction tests? imo
I am scum-hunting, but subtly. It's just that no fish took my bait yet, sadly.Lincolm wrote: 2x5543
And yet, you never engage first for hunting the scum. If you're town, good job. Double thumbs up. And probably you missed where I said my reason to vote you isn't because PoE anymore.abraker wrote: 6cx2d
I try to minimize voting I have little justification for
I need a rational post from zekks.
Alright, Hika has a post quantity that is slightly easy to go through:
For those who just want the highlights:
Now this one is especially interesting, because if Hika had a PR, there would be a MUCH less likely chance of this mention. This brings odds of Hika being scum to 2/7
If zekks says PR, then D2 will be his last whether scum or townie. Zekks can't say mafia because that will be dumb af. If zekks says townie,
then it can be to Hika's plan to get him out of the clear. Either way, this will either end bad for zekks or for town. Likely both. This action makes Hika lean towards the scum side.
There are two things that bother me here. This is very pro town, but second, any discussion about strategy is viewed by both parties. It becomes a guessing game how it would be executed, which is no different than guessing who is town and scum. I fail to see how anything mentioned regarding to this would put town at a disadvantage nor put scum at an advantage
There is a contradiction here. You see how you would implement it yet you claim it's anti-town enough to lynch D1 and I don't know how logical this reasoning is if you are town. I don't get how, as a townie, you can claim knowledge of self-voting tactics but at the same time vote a self-voter "to save town the trouble of being confused later on down the road". That's your scum side speaking even if you are town.
I don't what to make of this, but thinking that more players are scum than town when 2/9 are scum is indicative of something
Again with total votes. WHY? Vote count SHOULD NOT affect your reads. If it does, then you are being careful to word your reads to target someone or shift attention from someone.
If you are scum, it would be a good tactic to put down your partner as red to not raise suspicion. It is even safer to do so now since most of the hellfire is currently on me and linc., and linc. may not be your partner
@Hika:
I do expect you to answer many of the question I asked in the spoiler box
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Now that rEdo did bring it to my attention, what do you mean by "the same thing"?Hika wrote: 2p2929
abraker ur doing the same thing i dont think is a town move and im not going to vote you because it's dumb
Alright, Hika has a post quantity that is slightly easy to go through:
First a RVS vote
RVS provoking
Not sure what to which post that lol is a reaction to, but I think it's due to Zexion's vote for Hika and John's reaction
Null
The response to zekks's "As long as I'm still alive, no mafia can't stop me" comment
Why would you be worried about so little votes?
Understandable
Just twice? What? Why even worry? Scummy vibe here
Null
Leaning null, but kinda curious why the need to mention
Why vote count? Are you afraid your partner zekks has too many votes?
Ok, so zekks fiasco came to an end and now you are justifying not voting for your partner. Essientially this is what's going on: I'll vote zekks after I make sure the votecount allows me because he is my partner. Ok let's not vote for him since I was starting to get nervous my partner is going to be RIP
Null, but what convenient justification to remain as barely active so it's hard to read you
This came out of the blue to me, but why would it matter to Hika that I think rvs is over? I am still trying to wrap around what advantage that info would give to any side
Null
This refers to zekks acting anti town. Ehh I'll go null on this one
Now this one is especially interesting, because if Hika had a PR, there would be a MUCH less likely chance of this mention. This brings odds of Hika being scum to 2/7
This is a response to my apology for being aggressive. I am not sure where the second line comes in. Why the need to mention that we still have a while and that we should be doing actual analysis? Because the scum partner zekks screwed up and Hika is like "haha, he's dummy, don't mind him, but let's find actual scum" "Haha" as in nervous laughter in this case.
If zekks says PR, then D2 will be his last whether scum or townie. Zekks can't say mafia because that will be dumb af. If zekks says townie,
then it can be to Hika's plan to get him out of the clear. Either way, this will either end bad for zekks or for town. Likely both. This action makes Hika lean towards the scum side.
There are two things that bother me here. This is very pro town, but second, any discussion about strategy is viewed by both parties. It becomes a guessing game how it would be executed, which is no different than guessing who is town and scum. I fail to see how anything mentioned regarding to this would put town at a disadvantage nor put scum at an advantage
Understandable response, null.
Eh, not sure. null
nulll
No shit sherlock. I can see how self votes lean toward scum, but for the same reason I fail to see how the lean towards scum. I saw it as safe move because it would indeed lead toward scum and that everyone knows it's a scum move.
There is a contradiction here. You see how you would implement it yet you claim it's anti-town enough to lynch D1 and I don't know how logical this reasoning is if you are town. I don't get how, as a townie, you can claim knowledge of self-voting tactics but at the same time vote a self-voter "to save town the trouble of being confused later on down the road". That's your scum side speaking even if you are town.
I don't what to make of this, but thinking that more players are scum than town when 2/9 are scum is indicative of something
Null? I feel like this can give more info when put together with the "yea we have a while till we have to decide on a lynch so lets drag it out and start analyzing for real" statement earlier on, but I can't tell anything from this. The fact it's referring to different player doesn't help either
Again with total votes. WHY? Vote count SHOULD NOT affect your reads. If it does, then you are being careful to word your reads to target someone or shift attention from someone.
What a nice agenda you have there! Planning ahead, I see
Null
Null
Pointless to say you are town because you would receive hellfire otherwise. Though you are a bit correct about me not understanding the impact of self-voting. Fifth game in, and I only saw it being used once by a townie, and dumb townie tho. While it puts me at odds, I did mention in an earlier comment that I was def expecting it to show signs of scum, so I figured it was a safe thing to do since it's why would scum would point self like that. I don't know the impact still :\
If you are scum, it would be a good tactic to put down your partner as red to not raise suspicion. It is even safer to do so now since most of the hellfire is currently on me and linc., and linc. may not be your partner
What even? What is this? Why assure someone that you are not voting until something not directly related to the subject?
If two scum come along and hammer me now, that would be suspicious af, and one of them would be lynched D2 and the next likely on D3. If one scum comes along to hammer me, then it would make for an interesting D2, and would have a chance of not being lynched. Scum may or may not already be voting me, and if they are not, then they are not sure whether my bandwagon would hold
Null
Hika wrote: 2p2929
Vote: redo
Hika wrote: 2p2929
cuz fuck urEdo wrote: p3f2b
Why are you so mean already
RVS provoking
Hika wrote: 2p2929
ur game sucked because everyone targeted me!!
That spreadsheet made me mad. I should vote u.
Not sure what to which post that lol is a reaction to, but I think it's due to Zexion's vote for Hika and John's reaction
Hika wrote: 2p2929
L0L
Null
Hika wrote: 2p2929
I read this when I get on my laptop! Eating dinner rn
The response to zekks's "As long as I'm still alive, no mafia can't stop me" comment
Hika wrote: 2p2929
maybe cuz u r scum smh ^
Unvote
Why would you be worried about so little votes?
Hika wrote: 2p2929
why the fuck are there three votes on me that's crazy as fuck
Understandable
Hika wrote: 2p2929
also zekks, stop that its annoying u scum
Just twice? What? Why even worry? Scummy vibe here
Hika wrote: 2p2929
Oh alright I was just wondering cause I only getting voted twice
Null
Hika wrote: 2p2929
Oh also I forgot to hit submit but if someone asks for reads or opinions, it's probably better to reveal them in a timely matter and in complete honesty because it definitely can shape a better opinion of you for someone else. In this case, if you're scum/town. @john
Leaning null, but kinda curious why the need to mention
Hika wrote: 2p2929
p.s. RVS is over imo
Why vote count? Are you afraid your partner zekks has too many votes?
Hika wrote: 2p2929
need vote count b4 I vote Zekks
Ok, so zekks fiasco came to an end and now you are justifying not voting for your partner. Essientially this is what's going on: I'll vote zekks after I make sure the votecount allows me because he is my partner. Ok let's not vote for him since I was starting to get nervous my partner is going to be RIP
Hika wrote: 2p2929
I'm willing to stand my ground on voting an anti town but anti town > scum so we need to get off zekks a bit.
Null, but what convenient justification to remain as barely active so it's hard to read you
But ya know, you still need to make it seem that you have little to know connection to zekks and want to bring that scum to justiceHika wrote: 2p2929
o yea btw been busy. School starting and work so I usually will have more time to leave content around 19:00 EST
Hika wrote: 2p2929
I agree with you linc.
There's no point in letting Zekks go off easy so pressure him harder to see what he's all about.
@Zekks: what da fuck u think you doing playing the way you're playing
This came out of the blue to me, but why would it matter to Hika that I think rvs is over? I am still trying to wrap around what advantage that info would give to any side
Hika wrote: 2p2929
@abraker: why do u think rvs is over? I agree with ya but I'd like to see what you're saying
Null
Hika wrote: 2p2929
Calm down Jesus fuck I thought when you said fuck RVS you were stating it in a way you thought it was over
is okay just calm your nerves
This refers to zekks acting anti town. Ehh I'll go null on this one
Hika wrote: 2p2929
Also Zex, when i said anti town > scum, I meant it as a way like "sure he's anti town to me right now but I'd rather not vote for his lynch when we could be scum hunting"
hope that clears it up.
Now this one is especially interesting, because if Hika had a PR, there would be a MUCH less likely chance of this mention. This brings odds of Hika being scum to 2/7
Hika wrote: 2p2929
oh shit I'm so slow I forgot we have possible PRs
Slow your role bros, zekks could be a PR and doing it wrong
This is a response to my apology for being aggressive. I am not sure where the second line comes in. Why the need to mention that we still have a while and that we should be doing actual analysis? Because the scum partner zekks screwed up and Hika is like "haha, he's dummy, don't mind him, but let's find actual scum" "Haha" as in nervous laughter in this case.
Hika wrote: 2p2929
ok im sensitive pls be kind
yea we have a while till we have to decide on a lynch so lets drag it out and start analyzing for real
If zekks says PR, then D2 will be his last whether scum or townie. Zekks can't say mafia because that will be dumb af. If zekks says townie,
then it can be to Hika's plan to get him out of the clear. Either way, this will either end bad for zekks or for town. Likely both. This action makes Hika lean towards the scum side.
Hika wrote: 2p2929
Dulcet wrote: 6r4n69
yeah, we do have PRs, but what makes you think Zekks is one and not just vanilla? Just chance?
I think Zekks did a general threat to everyone voting him so i say he should tell us his role before we PL him. Seriously
I'm not playing with an anti-town.
There are two things that bother me here. This is very pro town, but second, any discussion about strategy is viewed by both parties. It becomes a guessing game how it would be executed, which is no different than guessing who is town and scum. I fail to see how anything mentioned regarding to this would put town at a disadvantage nor put scum at an advantage
Hika wrote: 2p2929
Also, self voting strategy shouldn't be mentioned here. Maybe google it cause we're currently in game and dont want mafia doing anything with that information.
Understandable response, null.
Hika wrote: 2p2929
i'll wait for you to explain thisDawnsday wrote: 366838
Hika - Actually one of my strongest "gut" feelings I've had in a mafia game thus far. Everything Hika posts rubs me the wrong way, I'm going to link specific posts eventually (pressed for time here atm) but a lot of what she posts just FEELS SO "LAMIST" to me, I'm willing to accept I'm probably wrong on this one and I'm just being paranoid but it's a read and I have it so that's that. Keeping in null because there's nothing I have beyond my gut.
i think i can confirm that anyone who plays mafia with me always feels as if my posts rub them wrong
so link me my posts and i can explain them to you
Eh, not sure. null
Hika wrote: 2p2929
also i just think it looks bad on lincolm to vote me after he sees a vote already on me, referring to an earlier page
nulll
Hika wrote: 2p2929
also ill drop my reads tomorrow. im off work and im going out drinking tonight! will stop by for some small chat however.
No shit sherlock. I can see how self votes lean toward scum, but for the same reason I fail to see how the lean towards scum. I saw it as safe move because it would indeed lead toward scum and that everyone knows it's a scum move.
Hika wrote: 2p2929
Eh, I'll just say it's a diversion thing. ^
There is a contradiction here. You see how you would implement it yet you claim it's anti-town enough to lynch D1 and I don't know how logical this reasoning is if you are town. I don't get how, as a townie, you can claim knowledge of self-voting tactics but at the same time vote a self-voter "to save town the trouble of being confused later on down the road". That's your scum side speaking even if you are town.
Hika wrote: 2p2929
You're not forcing me to do anything don't worry! I'm back from drinking so I'll post a bit.Dawnsday wrote: 366838
Strikes me as a LAMIST post mainly due to the "dont want mafia doing anything with that information". Just feels like such a weird addition to the sentence in general, ending at "we're currently in game" would've been acceptable but the last bit seems to be tacked on solely to remind us you're not mafia.
Also upon actually rereading you don't have as many posts I find questionable as I seem to have ed. You're probably still pretty null for me honestly. Sorry for forcing you to do stuff on your drinking night, I'm just giving my honest views!
also @mod can we have a votecount
I can definitely see where it could rub you incorrectly, but I meant it in a way where I wouldn't want to give the wrong people information that would work against town. I have many ways where I, myself as a player, would implement self-voting but would rather not go in depth with it this game.
Lets just say in my opinion, I see it as a shitty town confirming tactic as well as a ballsy scum move. As I said before, I'd rather have an anti town than a scum deceiving me but if that anti town is being extremely counteractive in our scum hunting, I'd be willing to get rid of them D1 to save town the trouble of being confused later on down the road.
I don't what to make of this, but thinking that more players are scum than town when 2/9 are scum is indicative of something
Hika wrote: 2p2929
After bboy VC then I'll be able to narrow down my reads a bit further. I have more people in the red rather than green, sad to say
Null? I feel like this can give more info when put together with the "yea we have a while till we have to decide on a lynch so lets drag it out and start analyzing for real" statement earlier on, but I can't tell anything from this. The fact it's referring to different player doesn't help either
Hika wrote: 2p2929
also no more shitty reaction tests i'm not gonna let this over analyzing colors of your role PMs anymore lol
Again with total votes. WHY? Vote count SHOULD NOT affect your reads. If it does, then you are being careful to word your reads to target someone or shift attention from someone.
Hika wrote: 2p2929
Tell me what you'd like me to explain.
And I won't reveal that until i see total votes.
I'm saying john is coming up p much town for me.
What a nice agenda you have there! Planning ahead, I see
Hika wrote: 2p2929
I said that because I want to vote Lincolm out.
Null
Hika wrote: 2p2929
I didn't quote you on that lincolm because people can see I'm referring to you and plus I'm on the phone.
Null
Hika wrote: 2p2929
I don't think he did that out of the blue, rather he did that to pull him into the game because he was kind of just.. there?
But I'm not disagreeing with you completely, I can see where you're coming from. I think at this point, Lincolm is running out of people to pin down so he's going to hop from one person to the next and see if he can do reaction tests? imo
Pointless to say you are town because you would receive hellfire otherwise. Though you are a bit correct about me not understanding the impact of self-voting. Fifth game in, and I only saw it being used once by a townie, and dumb townie tho. While it puts me at odds, I did mention in an earlier comment that I was def expecting it to show signs of scum, so I figured it was a safe thing to do since it's why would scum would point self like that. I don't know the impact still :\
Hika wrote: 2p2929
LMAO, you think I'm scumbuddies with abraker? I'm town bro.rEdo wrote: p3f2b
Was that a warning from your scumpartner?
If anything, I'd probably be voting him or Lincolm.
abraker because he doesn't seem like he understands the impact of him self-voting. I think redo explains it the way I would like to explain it myself. I can tolerate a NL vote > self vote.
If you are scum, it would be a good tactic to put down your partner as red to not raise suspicion. It is even safer to do so now since most of the hellfire is currently on me and linc., and linc. may not be your partner
Hika wrote: 2p2929
my leaning town reads are john n dawn
red leaning would be linc, zekks
red being abraker
everyone is like really null too me.
my FoS is on Foxtrot cuz she was over analyzing but I could be over looking that
What even? What is this? Why assure someone that you are not voting until something not directly related to the subject?
Hika wrote: 2p2929
we have like two more days in the game left, i'm not voting you cuz i dont see anyone else posting today? @Lincolm
If two scum come along and hammer me now, that would be suspicious af, and one of them would be lynched D2 and the next likely on D3. If one scum comes along to hammer me, then it would make for an interesting D2, and would have a chance of not being lynched. Scum may or may not already be voting me, and if they are not, then they are not sure whether my bandwagon would hold
Hika wrote: 2p2929
I dont want scum to come along and 'accidentally' hammer abraker also. Would be dumb for anyone else to vote him without a complete town decision. hope you see where im coming from
Null
Hika wrote: 2p2929
@linc, dont take it personal, just go to bed lol
For those who just want the highlights:
Now this one is especially interesting, because if Hika had a PR, there would be a MUCH less likely chance of this mention. This brings odds of Hika being scum to 2/7
Hika wrote: 2p2929
oh shit I'm so slow I forgot we have possible PRs
Slow your role bros, zekks could be a PR and doing it wrong
If zekks says PR, then D2 will be his last whether scum or townie. Zekks can't say mafia because that will be dumb af. If zekks says townie,
then it can be to Hika's plan to get him out of the clear. Either way, this will either end bad for zekks or for town. Likely both. This action makes Hika lean towards the scum side.
Hika wrote: 2p2929
I think Zekks did a general threat to everyone voting him so i say he should tell us his role before we PL him. SeriouslyDulcet wrote: 6r4n69
yeah, we do have PRs, but what makes you think Zekks is one and not just vanilla? Just chance?
I'm not playing with an anti-town.
There are two things that bother me here. This is very pro town, but second, any discussion about strategy is viewed by both parties. It becomes a guessing game how it would be executed, which is no different than guessing who is town and scum. I fail to see how anything mentioned regarding to this would put town at a disadvantage nor put scum at an advantage
Hika wrote: 2p2929
Also, self voting strategy shouldn't be mentioned here. Maybe google it cause we're currently in game and dont want mafia doing anything with that information.
There is a contradiction here. You see how you would implement it yet you claim it's anti-town enough to lynch D1 and I don't know how logical this reasoning is if you are town. I don't get how, as a townie, you can claim knowledge of self-voting tactics but at the same time vote a self-voter "to save town the trouble of being confused later on down the road". That's your scum side speaking even if you are town.
Hika wrote: 2p2929
You're not forcing me to do anything don't worry! I'm back from drinking so I'll post a bit.Dawnsday wrote: 366838
Strikes me as a LAMIST post mainly due to the "dont want mafia doing anything with that information". Just feels like such a weird addition to the sentence in general, ending at "we're currently in game" would've been acceptable but the last bit seems to be tacked on solely to remind us you're not mafia.
Also upon actually rereading you don't have as many posts I find questionable as I seem to have ed. You're probably still pretty null for me honestly. Sorry for forcing you to do stuff on your drinking night, I'm just giving my honest views!
also @mod can we have a votecount
I can definitely see where it could rub you incorrectly, but I meant it in a way where I wouldn't want to give the wrong people information that would work against town. I have many ways where I, myself as a player, would implement self-voting but would rather not go in depth with it this game.
Lets just say in my opinion, I see it as a shitty town confirming tactic as well as a ballsy scum move. As I said before, I'd rather have an anti town than a scum deceiving me but if that anti town is being extremely counteractive in our scum hunting, I'd be willing to get rid of them D1 to save town the trouble of being confused later on down the road.
I don't what to make of this, but thinking that more players are scum than town when 2/9 are scum is indicative of something
Hika wrote: 2p2929
After bboy VC then I'll be able to narrow down my reads a bit further. I have more people in the red rather than green, sad to say
Again with total votes. WHY? Vote count SHOULD NOT affect your reads. If it does, then you are being careful to word your reads to target someone or shift attention from someone.
Hika wrote: 2p2929
Tell me what you'd like me to explain.
And I won't reveal that until i see total votes.
I'm saying john is coming up p much town for me.
If you are scum, it would be a good tactic to put down your partner as red to not raise suspicion. It is even safer to do so now since most of the hellfire is currently on me and linc., and linc. may not be your partner
Hika wrote: 2p2929
my leaning town reads are john n dawn
red leaning would be linc, zekks
red being abraker
everyone is like really null too me.
my FoS is on Foxtrot cuz she was over analyzing but I could be over looking that
@Hika:
I do expect you to answer many of the question I asked in the spoiler box
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I don't think I'm over-analyzing and your reads provided us with nothing. Why do you think Lincolm is red? Or why do you think John is town? Do you have concrete reasons behind your read? I know I haven't done one yet, but when I'll do, I'll try not to be lazy about it. And why do you think I'm over analyzing? Is it because I was onto Zekks, someone you've been trying to get our attention off from them? Your posts are also rubbing me off, and it seems like I'm not the only person who feels that way.Hika wrote: 2p2929
my FoS is on Foxtrot cuz she was over analyzing but I could be over looking that
Other people have been able to do reads without keeping track of VC and you're the only one doing this. Why should VC be important in your read? If someone has more votes or less votes, why would it matter towards your read? It just seems like you're waiting to see which person has most votes so you can deliver your coup de grâceHika wrote: 2p2929
After bboy VC then I'll be able to narrow down my reads a bit further. I have more people in the red rather than green, sad to say
And you asked me what I'd like you to explain, but you don't need to explain anything. It's just that you lack reasoning behind your claims like you've been doing in your read and past posts. You write really small sentences that can be rather vague or really obvious, which makes you hard to read.Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p
I understand that it's your night out so I won't pressure you but next time please write your thoughts in a more detailed way, and provide more information as to why you think that way. This is still rather vague to me.Hika wrote: 2p2929
Lets just say in my opinion, I see it as a shitty town confirming tactic as well as a ballsy scum move. As I said before, I'd rather have an anti town than a scum deceiving me but if that anti town is being extremely counteractive in our scum hunting, I'd be willing to get rid of them D1 to save town the trouble of being confused later on down the road.
Why would you rather have anti-scum deceiving you? And if you know for sure someone is being anti-town, why vote for them when we could vote for scum instead? Do you want to get rid of anti-town right away because it's probably the most convenient vote?
I'm curious about this. If foxtrot is town for her analytical posts, then Lincolm should also fall into that category (specially for this post, but you are (or were?) reading him as scum. Your reads aren't consistent.johnmedina999 wrote: 3r3a6s
By good analyses I was thinking of back in the beginning of the game, but you're right about recent posts not having much content. As for why I think she's town...her posts don't seem scummy, maybe she's pushing the Zekks train too hard after most decided to leave it for now (most of her longer, more recent posts have something to do with Zekks), but again, she doesn't really seem like she's mafia.Zexion wrote: 11654m
@John, @Dawnsday: why is Foxtrot so town? Going through her ISO shows little content in her lasts posts, last thing was the accusation to Zekks which I kinda understand but I don't see how she "analyses players very well". I do agree with she moving the game forward.
I don't really think both of them are scum, their dicussion seems to be a natural progression of the accusations, I mean, -it could be-, but I don't really see something indicative of bussing.johnmedina999 wrote: 3r3a6s
It may just be my lack of experience, but I think Lincolm and abraker have been 1v1-ing for far too long, it's starting to look like bussing to me. Ever since this post, where Lincolm invokes abraker out of the blue, and the two start arguing. This wasn't suspicious back then, but certainly looks suspicious now; Lincolm might say that he was one of the only people active at the time and that it was random, but there was redo and Zekks to ask as well; why would he specifically choose abraker to invoke?
It doesn't help that almost all of both abraker's and Lincolm's posts have been fighting with each other, either. Either they're bussing each other, or one of them is town taking advantage of the situation.
abraker
I'll quote where relevant and ask questions if I need to. Formatting is very hard for me right now so bear with me.
@EVERYONE ELSE: Pink text is abraker's questions and comments, my response is underneath all the quotes in plain black text.
Why would you be worried about so little votes?
Just twice? What? Why even worry? Scummy vibe here
Leaning null, but kinda curious why the need to mention
Why vote count? Are you afraid your partner zekks has too many votes?
@EVERYONE ELSE: Pink text is abraker's questions and comments, my response is underneath all the quotes in plain black text.
Why would you be worried about so little votes?
I said my quote above in a non-worried way. Hopefully you've learned my typing style? I was also bothered by it because I hadn't had time to say much due to irl stuff. This wasn't a 'scumslip' imo. Not saying I'm scum either.Hika wrote: 2p2929
why the fuck are there three votes on me that's crazy as fuck
Just twice? What? Why even worry? Scummy vibe here
Refer to my response above. ^Hika wrote: 2p2929
Oh alright I was just wondering cause I only getting voted twice
Leaning null, but kinda curious why the need to mention
I said this to do a reaction test. No one really said anything, that's why I tried to talk to you about it to see if you had agreed with me on it but it was a misunderstanding. I personally thought that RVS over. that's kinda why I said I M O. And I see you are bothered that I asked you about it. I was trying to generate conversation but as I stated before, it was just a misunderstanding. Had you responded and agreed with me, I would have automatically placed you in my town reads, due to the fact we have a good amount of information pushing forward thus far.Hika wrote: 2p2929
p.s. RVS is over imo
Why vote count? Are you afraid your partner zekks has too many votes?
Just recently I said I didn't want scum to do an 'accidental' hammer, which is why I'm willing to hold my vote off.Hika wrote: 2p2929
need vote count b4 I vote Zekks
If I skipped any of your questions, feel free to quote them and tell me them. I felt as if I needed to answer all those that I see now. It's hard to see cause this post is long when I open it, lol.
Also, I asked for vote count because I see you're on L-2 and didn't have time to read up the thread to confirm that. As I said, I've been on my phone recently. My reads obviously influence town and I didn't want anyone to be like "okay so then vote abraker! *vote*" and have someone sneaky accidentally hammer. I don't think anyone is understanding this. And I dont want to be the only fucking one concerned about that but it's odd that no one else is caring about that.
To also clear some stuff up, I don't think anyone responded when Zexion asked if everyone knew how the matrix 6 setup was like. So if you don't understand why I'm so concerned with PR's, you're probably not taking the game seriously either. I don't want anyone to think Zekks is straight scum because of his threat that I have quoted here:
This puts me off so fucking bad you guys don't know. I'm not saying I'm not willing to vote him but it just doesn't feel right. I might be overthinking that, who knows.[ - Zekks - ] wrote: 4w4v2y
As long as I'm still alive, no mafia can't stop me
Real quick before I answer Foxtrot's post, it is possible to have more than 2 scum reads. I think it's fucked up abraker thinks I cant have that lol.
Like I said, I currently have two leaning scum and one possible scum. Just talk to me and we can change that read, that's literally it
But it looks like Zekks is inactive rn
Like I said, I currently have two leaning scum and one possible scum. Just talk to me and we can change that read, that's literally it
But it looks like Zekks is inactive rn
That's why I was feeling suspicious. I just didn't see a reads list, that's all. You can read what I have posted for abraker and see if that works for you because I don't think you noticed what I've written the past bit.Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p
I don't think I'm over-analyzing and your reads provided us with nothing. Why do you think Lincolm is red? Or why do you think John is town? Do you have concrete reasons behind your read? I know I haven't done one yet, but when I'll do, I'll try not to be lazy about it. And why do you think I'm over analyzing? Is it because I was onto Zekks, someone you've been trying to get our attention off from them? Your posts are also rubbing me off, and it seems like I'm not the only person who feels that way.
Invalid. I already have a strong disliking about how many votes are on abraker and have stated it like once or twice already. I'M the one holding my vote if you haven't noticed. My vote is all I have and I don't think you read my posts it seems. My reads still stand regardless of any vote changing from this point on unless someone else changes my mind.Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p
Other people have been able to do reads without keeping track of VC and you're the only one doing this. Why should VC be important in your read? If someone has more votes or less votes, why would it matter towards your read? It just seems like you're waiting to see which person has most votes so you can deliver your coup de grâce
I think it's an obvious reason why I'd rather have anti-town deceiving me? I'm hoping you meant anti-town*. As I said, if I don't have any concrete leads for myself to believe a person is ing us, as a town, on scum hunting, they deserved to be voted out. I've always played my games like this. And you can see in previous games that we've HAD to do a PL cause someone's actions are so toxic, that the town feels like that other townie just needs to go.Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p
Why would you rather have anti-scum deceiving you? And if you know for sure someone is being anti-town, why vote for them when we could vote for scum instead? Do you want to get rid of anti-town right away because it's probably the most convenient vote?
I say anti town because I'm speaking from a transparent point of view. Meaning, we all think we're town... 2/9 of us aren't. I don't know which one of you guys aren't but all I know is that I'm going to vote for who doesn't go for town's win this game. That's all.
Yes, I know what PoE is. However, you only just started PoE here. Your PoE strategy does not include all the rest of your posts against abraker when the 1v1 could have ended long ago. Again, don't hold me against my claim, because this might be perfectly normal in a game and it just may be my lack of experience.Lincolm wrote: 2x5543
I don't know what to say, how is it "too long"? I even said I choose abraker because PoE for initial reason. Do you even know what is PoE?
Well, it is true that both are very analytic, but Lincolm is still on my scum radar for the 1v1 claim I posted earlier; even so, his last post and his overall confidence are making me change my mind ever so slightly, although the latter might just be good acting, and the former might be me being a n00b. I'll have to wait and see.Zexion wrote: 11654m
I'm curious about this. If foxtrot is town for her analytical posts, then Lincolm should also fall into that category (specially for this post) but you are (or were?) reading him as scum. Your reads aren't consistent.johnmedina999 wrote: 3r3a6s
By good analyses I was thinking of back in the beginning of the game, but you're right about recent posts not having much content. As for why I think she's town...her posts don't seem scummy, maybe she's pushing the Zekks train too hard after most decided to leave it for now (most of her longer, more recent posts have something to do with Zekks), but again, she doesn't really seem like she's mafia.
The question was "why did you need a vote count to post your reads", not "why are you not voting". You seem to be answering a strawman.Hika wrote: 2p2929
Invalid. I already have a strong disliking about how many votes are on abraker and have stated it like once or twice already. I'M the one holding my vote if you haven't noticed. My vote is all I have and I don't think you read my posts it seems. My reads still stand regardless of any vote changing from this point on unless someone else changes my mind.
But you didn't say that on your original read list, that only makes me wonder if you just arbitraly decided Lincolm was scum.johnmedina999 wrote: 3r3a6s
Well, it is true that both are very analytic, but Lincolm is still on my scum radar for the 1v1 claim I posted earlier; even so, his last post and his overall confidence are making me change my mind ever so slightly, although the latter might just be good acting, and the former might be me being a n00b. I'll have to wait and see.Zexion wrote: 11654m
I'm curious about this. If foxtrot is town for her analytical posts, then Lincolm should also fall into that category (specially for this post) but you are (or were?) reading him as scum. Your reads aren't consistent.
I often don't consider this as a valid reason for holding a vote. L-1 is where magic happens, but yeah, its debatable whether or not put someone at L-1 on a newbie game because of people not often realizing how dangerous quickhammers are. However, considering the deadline, I think it's not THAT risky to put someone at L-1.Hika wrote: 2p2929
I dont want scum to come along and 'accidentally' hammer abraker also. Would be dumb for anyone else to vote him without a complete town decision. hope you see where im coming from
ok i just started reading and stuff
this is horrible lmaoFoxtrot wrote: 2l233p
why would he answer red? are you trying to distract us from actual scum and shift the attention to the new players?Lincolm wrote: 2x5543
That's logical answer. And no, I just ask if you get red or green colour, hoping you to answer red somehow.
Well-written flavour, though.
Hey Zekks, what do you think about John?this further proves my suspicion; stop trying to initiate a bandwagon, it's not working
Vote: Lincolm
I know I am going a full 180 on this, but something just clicked in me. Zekks role claim doesn't look like a bad option, but as Hika said, he might be doing it wrong. All I can do is cross my fingers and hope it is what I think it is.[ - Zekks - ] wrote: 4w4v2y
As long as I'm still alive, no mafia can't stop me
That is better. A 3/9 turn out is not bad, however the quote I responded to had you with a 5/9+ turn out according to what you said here, "I have more people in the red rather than green, sad to say". Ofc, I didn't consider null now that I think of it.Hika wrote: 2p2929
Real quick before I answer Foxtrot's post, it is possible to have more than 2 scum reads. I think it's fucked up abraker thinks I cant have that lol.
Like I said, I currently have two leaning scum and one possible scum.
@Hika comment on the following responses that were not spoilered. I reposted them here:
le repost
Now this one is especially interesting, because if Hika had a PR, there would be a MUCH less likely chance of this mention. This brings odds of Hika being scum to 2/7
There are two things that bother me here. This is very pro town, but second, any discussion about strategy is viewed by both parties. It becomes a guessing game how it would be executed, which is no different than guessing who is town and scum. I fail to see how anything mentioned regarding to this would put town at a disadvantage nor put scum at an advantage
There is a contradiction here. You see how you would implement it yet you claim it's anti-town enough to lynch D1 and I don't know how logical this reasoning is if you are town. I don't get how, as a townie, you can claim knowledge of self-voting tactics but at the same time vote a self-voter "to save town the trouble of being confused later on down the road". That's your scum side speaking even if you are town.
If you are scum, it would be a good tactic to put down your partner as red to not raise suspicion. It is even safer to do so now since most of the hellfire is currently on me and linc., and linc. may not be your partner
Hika wrote: 2p2929
oh shit I'm so slow I forgot we have possible PRs
Slow your role bros, zekks could be a PR and doing it wrong
There are two things that bother me here. This is very pro town, but second, any discussion about strategy is viewed by both parties. It becomes a guessing game how it would be executed, which is no different than guessing who is town and scum. I fail to see how anything mentioned regarding to this would put town at a disadvantage nor put scum at an advantage
Hika wrote: 2p2929
Also, self voting strategy shouldn't be mentioned here. Maybe google it cause we're currently in game and dont want mafia doing anything with that information.
There is a contradiction here. You see how you would implement it yet you claim it's anti-town enough to lynch D1 and I don't know how logical this reasoning is if you are town. I don't get how, as a townie, you can claim knowledge of self-voting tactics but at the same time vote a self-voter "to save town the trouble of being confused later on down the road". That's your scum side speaking even if you are town.
Hika wrote: 2p2929
You're not forcing me to do anything don't worry! I'm back from drinking so I'll post a bit.Dawnsday wrote: 366838
Strikes me as a LAMIST post mainly due to the "dont want mafia doing anything with that information". Just feels like such a weird addition to the sentence in general, ending at "we're currently in game" would've been acceptable but the last bit seems to be tacked on solely to remind us you're not mafia.
Also upon actually rereading you don't have as many posts I find questionable as I seem to have ed. You're probably still pretty null for me honestly. Sorry for forcing you to do stuff on your drinking night, I'm just giving my honest views!
also @mod can we have a votecount
I can definitely see where it could rub you incorrectly, but I meant it in a way where I wouldn't want to give the wrong people information that would work against town. I have many ways where I, myself as a player, would implement self-voting but would rather not go in depth with it this game.
Lets just say in my opinion, I see it as a shitty town confirming tactic as well as a ballsy scum move. As I said before, I'd rather have an anti town than a scum deceiving me but if that anti town is being extremely counteractive in our scum hunting, I'd be willing to get rid of them D1 to save town the trouble of being confused later on down the road.
If you are scum, it would be a good tactic to put down your partner as red to not raise suspicion. It is even safer to do so now since most of the hellfire is currently on me and linc., and linc. may not be your partner
Hika wrote: 2p2929
my leaning town reads are john n dawn
red leaning would be linc, zekks
red being abraker
everyone is like really null too me.
my FoS is on Foxtrot cuz she was over analyzing but I could be over looking that
I read this as dawn actually saying he'd like it better if zekks was never conceived and I was laughing so hardDawnsday wrote: 366838
Why? If he's not commited to reading he's going to hurt town in the long run. It's not FUN to policy lynch rest assured I'd rather the idea was never even conceived but honestly.Lincolm wrote: 2x5543
, but I hate policy lynch also.
@Foxtrot. Your posts are turning out too null or leaning townie, but since I know how analytically helpful behavior goes, it can be either town or mafia. Speaking from experience here where I was playing mafia and was nothing but that which convinced a lot of players I was town (see my first game here where I started questioning players more and more with similar tactics as the game went on).
To level this uncertainty off, I ask you to analyze your own posts and come up with a detailed read on yourself.
To level this uncertainty off, I ask you to analyze your own posts and come up with a detailed read on yourself.
And why?abraker wrote: 6cx2d
To level this uncertainty off, I ask you to analyze your own posts and come up with a detailed read on yourself.
So are my posts leaning townie or mafia? You're confusing meabraker wrote: 6cx2d
Your posts are turning out too null or leaning townie, but since I know how analytically helpful behavior goes, it can be either town or mafia.
Your posts are full of valid points and analysis, and it's hard to find a fault in them, at least for me. People are prone to bias when talking about themselves, more so when trying to hide something. It will be an interesting analysis to read because it will highlight either your bias or faults. To put it in layman , I have a hard time reading you despite your activity.Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p
And why?
I am saying that your posts are leaning townie, but they also are reminiscent of my tactics in the first game I played where I was scum.Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p
So are my posts leaning townie or mafia? You're confusing me
I don't feel like to read the wall posts. I will read them later.
Why did you do this?
I don't really get abraker's last 2 posts but I'm gonna put that aside for now. But both posts rub me so wrong, I will try to get their context when I'm not lazy.
I'm pretty sure you need more than one bait for scumhunting.abraker wrote: 6cx2d
I am scum-hunting, but subtly. It's just that no fish took my bait yet, sadly.
I fail to see why voting me should be cautious when I'm at L-4.Hika wrote: 2p2929
we have like two more days in the game left, i'm not voting you cuz i dont see anyone else posting today? @Lincolm
I said I'm sticking my vote on him after that post, though. Because I don't see why and how his action is coming from town, at all.johnmedina999 wrote: 3r3a6s
Yes, I know what PoE is. However, you only just started PoE here. Your PoE strategy does not include all the rest of your posts against abraker when the 1v1 could have ended long ago. Again, don't hold me against my claim, because this might be perfectly normal in a game and it just may be my lack of experience.
Thanks, Lucifer, Hika wasn't L-1.Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
I HAVEN'T READ ANYTHING BUT I'M JESUS SO
Hika
Why did you do this?
Uh-huh. Because I can.Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
LOL
is this PoE on day one? How the fuck dude?
Have you considered what if they are newbie? because I read three of them as newbie.Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
Scum:
Foxtrot
johnmedina999
[ - Zekks - ]
I don't really get abraker's last 2 posts but I'm gonna put that aside for now. But both posts rub me so wrong, I will try to get their context when I'm not lazy.
p/6181003/
These posts are some examples of such
It's not the scummiest ISO on earth but it's hard to get a baseline like this lol
These posts are some examples of such
It's not the scummiest ISO on earth but it's hard to get a baseline like this lol
Explain how this one indicates scum. Looks like a legit reaction to me.Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
p/6177786/
This one is less, but Hika showed similar concern here.Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
p/6181003/
Now that I think of it, I don't see anyone show as much concern for my self vote as much as these two. Others had a weak reaction and/or voted on me. rEdo showed some on it, but it's geared toward PoE and without much concern for voting me despite the possible consequences.
Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p
No, you do have a choice. And that choice is not to off yourself. Are you trying to do this to make yourself more believable?abraker wrote: 6cx2d
Well since we can forgive zekks's concerning stupidity, PoE looks sexy as fuck, and I would like to bring my end of the deal, I guess I have no choice either
vote: abraker
It reads sour to me as disingenuous because it looks like he's trying to twist things into being scummy and then asking them if they're doing it. Feels like ez faux-scumhuntingFoxtrot wrote: 2l233p
are you deliberately avoiding my question?[ - Zekks - ] wrote: 4w4v2y
Who's her?
I am still trying to figure out Foxtrot and have trouble seeing that, but it is a helpful explanation.Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
It reads sour to me as disingenuous because it looks like he's trying to twist things into being scummy and then asking them if they're doing it. Feels like ez faux-scumhunting
Still noob enough not to know what this meansAce Timing wrote: 36512t
faux-scumhunting
Wow nobody? Did we run out of ideas on how to find scum or something?
RVS vote. Recursive likely hints nothing, though it would be nice of rEdo did say something regarding it
This is a response to Zekks saying that he didn't see me, Foxtrot, and john yet. I didn't post after confirming after this point, so I am not show what clone of me rEdo saw, but this ultimately means nothing
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Detail picking, but what is interesting is that rEdo completely miss Lincolm's color fiasco as well as him asking too many questions for comfort. Instead rEdo went straight to Zekks. Now this might be due to laziness on mobile judging by how it's hard to fuck up a simple quote box on pc, but then attempting to correct it instead of saying "fuck it" tells me otherwise. So the questions remains open: why didn't rEdo pick up on Lincolm before or after reponding to zekks in that session?
What do you mean by decent?
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Given zekks's activity since this, rEdo does have a point. Even if that "mafia can't hurt me" whatever was a hint, nothing should excuse zekks's innactivity. Zekks is still active in OT, so I see no excuse for him not to at least post something while logged in. Town read for this one
[b][color=#FF40BF]I am most active yet I provide so little information. Well I can say same about Foxtrot, so eh. It does look like the pressuring John thing is sincere.
Also sorry I didn't answer. That's why I put some spacing at the bottom of posts if I think there is a hard to notice snippet at the end.[/color][/b]
This makes it even more sincere. Though if rEdo and John are scum, that is also a nice cover up tactic by taking advantage newbie actions
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null? I'm unsure if there is anything to pick from this. Eager to question and interact more with players implying that... I always keep in mind any town action can be scum tactic, but idk what this would lean to if anything
Majority of this looks townie reasoning, except for the last bit. I can see mafia pointing fingers at supposed scumpartner as a diversion/focus.
Imo, rEdo exhibits more sincere townie actions than I expected from such little activity. Def more town than Hika.
RVS vote. Recursive likely hints nothing, though it would be nice of rEdo did say something regarding it
rEdo wrote: p3f2b
Why are you so mean already
I haven't seen Zekks in ourrecursivetown yet, so he must be the bad guy!
Vote: [ - Zekks - ]
This is a response to Zekks saying that he didn't see me, Foxtrot, and john yet. I didn't post after confirming after this point, so I am not show what clone of me rEdo saw, but this ultimately means nothing
rEdo wrote: p3f2b
I did, except for Foxtrot. Nice try. >:)
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rEdo wrote: p3f2b
Actually, I don't recall playing with john, but I saw him on the forums like a month ago or so, that's why I somehow him.
Detail picking, but what is interesting is that rEdo completely miss Lincolm's color fiasco as well as him asking too many questions for comfort. Instead rEdo went straight to Zekks. Now this might be due to laziness on mobile judging by how it's hard to fuck up a simple quote box on pc, but then attempting to correct it instead of saying "fuck it" tells me otherwise. So the questions remains open: why didn't rEdo pick up on Lincolm before or after reponding to zekks in that session?
rEdo wrote: p3f2b
[quote="[ - Zekks - ]"Or I can change my vote to Lincolm, because Foxtrot has decent amount of evidence to the fact that Lincolm could be the mafia
What do you mean by decent?
rEdo wrote: p3f2b
wow are you serious that this quote box has fucked up LOL
rEdo wrote: p3f2b
[ - Zekks - ] wrote: 4w4v2y
Or I can change my vote to Lincolm, because Foxtrot has decent amount of evidence to the fact that Lincolm could be the mafia
What do you mean by decent?
(oh, I fucked it up.)
rEdo wrote: p3f2b
Let this one be a lesson to new guys, too: DO NOT EDIT YOUR POSTS, even if you messed up your formatting. It's third-rate, the content and the intent to send such content is the meat that we want.
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rEdo wrote: p3f2b
jesus I forgot to copy my Last for osu! somewhere to at work
rEdo wrote: p3f2b
Back, catching up.
rEdo wrote: p3f2b
[ - Zekks - ] wrote: 4w4v2y
I would reconsider my vote, but I don't know to vote for
I might vote for Foxtrot, since she is trying to pin everyone on Lincolm, but that seems kinda weak, but I'll still hold onto that
Or I can change my vote to Lincolm, because Foxtrot has decent amount of evidence to the fact that Lincolm could be the mafia
What do you mean by decent?
What worries me, is the fact that he ignored my question. That was a try to fish out why is he just parrotting the two most active guys. He is either a newb townie that does not really know what is going on, or scum pretending to be one.
[ - Zekks - ] wrote: 4w4v2y
As long as I'm still alive, no mafia can't stop me
What the hell is this?
[b][color=#FF40BF]At this point Zekks is the center of attention. However, the Lincolm and Foxtrot quarrel shouldn't imply both are town. In fact, what you guys think about the following: Scum are more likely to start a frenzy questioning players in order to blend in. Ofc that is assuming scum are trying to act like town and are overdoing it.
Also I didn't see that question on bottom after my vote initially. I believe I answered it later on, though I am not sure why jump to conclusions and say "why zekks" if that's the case.
To add on to it, since I didn't see the question, I interpreted the vote as a random thing because why not. It didn't help that Lincolm's vote was the actual "why not" one. Because I saw so little care for voting, I decided to go on ahead and vote for myself with the same "why not" behavior while keeping my word from here. But frankly, my initial idea to vote for my self came from Lincom's questioning of why I did RVS, which sparked the idea of what is the most idiot RVS I can do that mafia wouldn't dare do just like that.[/color][/b]
[ - Zekks - ] wrote: 4w4v2y
I'm just confused, I'm too lazy to look over things asdf. If I die the mafia will have a higher chance of living, so if you decide to kill me off, good luck!
Until this post I thought Zekks was scum, but now I'm somewhat convinced he's just a townie that doesn't give a darn.
Lincolm and Foxtrot 1v1-ish quarrel makes me think they both are town. Zexion is as null as ever, same goes for Hika. Dawnsy goes with analysis over scumhunting, but that's usual for him. Not sure how to read john yet.
Let's try this way.
Unvote
Vote: abraker
Who's scum and why Zekks?
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rEdo wrote: p3f2b
oh and back to work, I might check the thread in 2-3 hours or so.
Given zekks's activity since this, rEdo does have a point. Even if that "mafia can't hurt me" whatever was a hint, nothing should excuse zekks's innactivity. Zekks is still active in OT, so I see no excuse for him not to at least post something while logged in. Town read for this one
rEdo wrote: p3f2b
If you don't give a fuck, why do you even bother playing? If you're town, you might ask for a replacement if you don't want to scumhunt with us. I know this might sound like a neckbeardish thing to say, but we're here to actually play the game, not just chill. A mafia game is somewhat a commitment.
[b][color=#FF40BF]I am most active yet I provide so little information. Well I can say same about Foxtrot, so eh. It does look like the pressuring John thing is sincere.
Also sorry I didn't answer. That's why I put some spacing at the bottom of posts if I think there is a hard to notice snippet at the end.[/color][/b]
rEdo wrote: p3f2b
Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p
Zexion wrote: 11654m
Besides, why did abraker vote himself after rEdo if he could have just done it without someone else triggering it? I asked rEdo why he chose abraker and he asked me who would I have chosen instead. I straight up told him I don't know. But he also didn't answer my question, instead asking me another one, and that's a way to dodge a question as well.
so let me ask you again rEdo, why abraker?
That's because he's the most active in my could-be-scum-list, and I wanted to pressure him to fish out his reaction. That's how I usually (and I think that's how people should generally) use my vote. Why specifically abraker? He has shown that little information I could work him. I thought of pressuring john first, but then I realised he could scumslip by trying to get back on the Zekks wagon, because that seems like the easiest lynch scum could pull out today. And hell, that's what happened.
I hate the fact that abraker has not answered my question (who's scum?) yet, too. I feel like I forced out his reads, but he doesn't seem to be actually hunting for scum.
This makes it even more sincere. Though if rEdo and John are scum, that is also a nice cover up tactic by taking advantage newbie actions
rEdo wrote: p3f2b
johnmedina999 wrote: 3r3a6s
I just noticed that quite a few people are still worried about the Zekks train so I take that bit back.
lol
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rEdo wrote: p3f2b
Lincolm wrote: 2x5543
Uhh.. there is also many questions to ask to you but my bet you won't respond them.
Isn't the fact that somebody left a question unanswered also a valuable information to work with?
null? I'm unsure if there is anything to pick from this. Eager to question and interact more with players implying that... I always keep in mind any town action can be scum tactic, but idk what this would lean to if anything
rEdo wrote: p3f2b
Is anyone alive?
Majority of this looks townie reasoning, except for the last bit. I can see mafia pointing fingers at supposed scumpartner as a diversion/focus.
rEdo wrote: p3f2b
@mod: Please replace Dawnsday and perhaps extend the deadline. Ace Timing, do you want to play in the end?
Yes, if you're town it WOULD help if you were still a no vote.
By that little I did not mean so little, but a little so I could work with it. Self-voting is a terribly bad idea, especially if you were town. I am not sure but you seem way too egocentric when it comes to playing mafia in general. And I just can't help myself to think this is a scum tell.
My vote stands where it was, as my read on abraker changed from leaning scum to scum.
By the way...
Hika wrote: 2p2929
abraker ur doing the same thing i dont think is a town move and im not going to vote you because it's dumb
Was that a warning from your scumpartner?[/quote]
Imo, rEdo exhibits more sincere townie actions than I expected from such little activity. Def more town than Hika.
oh... not only the spoilerbox, some quotes too. Unfortunately since I am dealing with more than 2 nested quotes in this post, I had to use the buggy new forums for this. And by buggy, I mean CSS doesn't allow my to scroll around, making me see only one part of the post. So I will make no effort to fix this considering that and the fact my clock is showing 3:14am.
What? I asked them a question and they completely ignored it but because they asked "who's she" that means they actually read it. I was rightfully irritatedAce Timing wrote: 36512t
It reads sour to me as disingenuous because it looks like he's trying to twist things into being scummy and then asking them if they're doing it. Feels like ez faux-scumhuntingFoxtrot wrote: 2l233p
are you deliberately avoiding my question?
By recursive I just meant that we're playing the mafia game over and over. We keep scumhunting, we keep dying, etcetera.abraker wrote: 6cx2d
RVS vote. Recursive likely hints nothing, though it would be nice of rEdo did say something regarding it
rEdo wrote: p3f2b
Why are you so mean already
I haven't seen Zekks in ourrecursivetown yet, so he must be the bad guy!
Vote: [ - Zekks - ]
Because I saw that as a RVS quarrel and did not take it seriously, so I'd rather wait and see what people have to say.abraker wrote: 6cx2d
Detail picking, but what is interesting is that rEdo completely miss Lincolm's color fiasco as well as him asking too many questions for comfort. Instead rEdo went straight to Zekks. Now this might be due to laziness on mobile judging by how it's hard to fuck up a simple quote box on pc, but then attempting to correct it instead of saying "fuck it" tells me otherwise. So the questions remains open: why didn't rEdo pick up on Lincolm before or after reponding to zekks in that session?
I have already addressed that.abraker wrote: 6cx2d
I am most active yet I provide so little information. Well I can say same about Foxtrot, so eh. It does look like the pressuring John thing is sincere.
I'm not sure. He has provided ISO analyses for two people so far, and I want to say that he's just trying to move the game forward, as we only have 30 hours left.rEdo wrote: p3f2b
john, what do you think of abraker?
He said this:
and proceeded to analyse an ISO; I want to say that he's just trying to move the game forward (because there was a 9 hour delay between his post and the last) but another possibility would be that he has the largest number of votes and is trying to get them off desperately because he doesn't want to flip scum. Personally, though, I would just say it's the former.abraker wrote: 6cx2d
Wow nobody? Did we run out of ideas on how to find scum or something?
Day 1, VC 3
With 9 alive it takes 5 votes to lynch!
abraker (3) - rEdo, Lincolm, abraker
Hika (1) - Zexion, Ace Timing
rEdo (1) - [ - Zekks - ]
[ - Zekks - ] (1) - Foxtrot
Lincolm (1) - johnmedina999
Not Voting (2) - Hika
Mod Notes - [ - Zekks - ] is being replaced
Deadline: https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/g ... nt=cursive
With 9 alive it takes 5 votes to lynch!
abraker (3) - rEdo, Lincolm, abraker
Hika (1) - Zexion, Ace Timing
rEdo (1) - [ - Zekks - ]
[ - Zekks - ] (1) - Foxtrot
Lincolm (1) - johnmedina999
Not Voting (2) - Hika
Mod Notes - [ - Zekks - ] is being replaced
Deadline: https://www.timeanddate.com/countdown/g ... nt=cursive
I'm back. I'm really on happiest state in this year that somehow I forgot about this game exist. Also, whatever the majority result is, even if it is myself, town needs to lynch someone to make the game easier for town rather than stalling this game and town get NKed 1 by 1 and let scum win, as we close to deadline.
I'm kinda confused with the context of every interaction right now, but I'm too lazy to reread.
And reminder, everyone need to know if you understand the setup or not, especially the people that I consider newbie. I said I know the setup completely.
Also, IMO this game really lack of serious votes...
Nothing more to say. I will try to post large post tonight.
@MOD : Still the same deadline?
I'm kinda confused with the context of every interaction right now, but I'm too lazy to reread.
And reminder, everyone need to know if you understand the setup or not, especially the people that I consider newbie. I said I know the setup completely.
Also, IMO this game really lack of serious votes...
I think it is very natural responseAce Timing wrote: 36512t
It's not the scummiest ISO on earth but it's hard to get a baseline like this lol
Ahoy, mine too.Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p
sorry guys I had my first day of work today
Nothing more to say. I will try to post large post tonight.
@MOD : Still the same deadline?
Why not both? Why not because it was worrying not seeing a response for that long with the day nearing end and why not because suicide D1 is an darn awful way to go regardless what alignment I am? I would be lying if I said that I am not looking for reasons to justify changing my vote to someone else. What might happen is that I change my vote a few hours before the day is up, and that will surely make me look like scum even more. I am digging myself further into this hole as I post, but what to do?johnmedina999 wrote: 3r3a6s
I want to say that he's just trying to move the game forward (because there was a 9 hour delay between his post and the last) but another possibility would be that he has the largest number of votes and is trying to get them off desperately because he doesn't want to flip scum. Personally, though, I would just say it's the former.rEdo wrote: p3f2b
john, what do you think of abraker?
I realized you read me as scum. That is the expected consequence of the self vote and me accidentally ignoring your question.rEdo wrote: p3f2b
You literally ignored the fact that I scumread you, or perhaps you must have missed that. So?
Dawnsday/Ace Timing
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[b][color=#FF40BF]Any response, even my self vote can't be taken at face value. However, we piece together responses and interactions to draw conclusions.
I get a feeling Dawnsday is trying to downplay Lincolm's move on John here to draw attention away from john.[/color][/b]
"You might be right, but since this is just a response to ensure I am not suspicious, here it is and I still stand by my opinion". It would make for a more interesting reply if Dawnsday asked what color Foxtrot would have said, just to work off that and prove the point. Instead we get this empty, knockoff response. When scum is planning something, or do an action to get results, they would be asked why, and this sort of response is what I expect scum to say because there is no alternative reasoning to their decision other than to do something in their favor.
As it turns out, as shown later in the game, that there is something to read from zekks's weird comment. But we were still wrapping our heads about this and zekks has yet to show the his inactivity. Also what do you mean by "fluff memory?"
expected
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So Dawnsday is drawing connections between Lincolm, John and Zekks. Don't see much wrong with this. Currently I am convinced Lincolm was a radioactive knucklehead and zekks is just dumb town. Scum being as radioactive as Lincolm would be quite an adventure for them, and judging by Lincoln's behavior, I don't think he would want to risk that. I don't think he has the deeper knowledge needed to know how to get out the situation if votes did settled on him for those actions. To give an example, Foxtrot seems to be the type of person that would be confident doing this if scum, but I don't believe Lincolm would.
First part seems reasonable. Second part, Dawnsday seems to have people vote for zekks. It's not a matter of questioning the scummy behaviors at this point. Either zeeks is dumb town or is scum. Most decided zekks is dumb town, and I agree. However, Dawnsday is still fixed on it as if there is more to discuss about why that is scum. Almost everything on why that might be scum has been already said at that point. This is Dawnsday trying to change mind and get people to vote on zekks.
I saw stuff as stupid as zekks in a previous game. I'd say anti-town, but doesn't imply scum. But you can start to see the change of mind in Dawnsday already as zekks bandwagon dies down
Had to just drop and agree. So malleable.
This is a response to Lincolm saying that while we can attempt to lynch zekks, if he flips town, then that would be super bad. Yet Dawnsday still want to convince that doing that to zekks is a good consideration... right after choosing to unvote. He is still pushing to make zekks lynched and it's becomming how subtly, yet forcefully he is doing that. Given my previous comment regarding Dawnsday needing to lynch zekks instead of NK because of PR, this makes perfect sense. And he had to unvote as insurance that vote won't draw uneeded attention.
[b][color=#FF40BF]He unvoted zekks twice in a row. Didn't vote in between. Not sure if mistake or just in case to make sure people notice that he unvoted zekks. Also I did it because for reasons I explained my reasoning for it in the rEdo iso. But if dawnsday experienced a selfvote turning scum previous game,
then why doesn't he just claim I am scum and vote for me then? I think my actions are just as scummy. This kinda kills the "Dawnsday as scum votes upon chance" theory. As the thinking goes, if someone appears scummy, the vote would be automatically justified for scum, but that it is not seen with Dawnsday.[/color][/b]
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I don't fully agree with Foxtrot read until I get self analysis from her. Lincolm can agree. I still can't tell much about John and won't be able to until D2. His read on me strikes me weird. As mentioned before, the selfvote turned up scum in previous game and he had to mention it, but thinks I am town instead. I understand it was to claim he was mafia, but still, I wouldn't be so sure of town with that in mind. Not much on others, and Hika did turn leaning toward the scum side for me as well.
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I did mention how I fail to see the point of not mentioning voting strategy on here if both sides have same info. I am not sure if Dawnsday is agreeing with this, nodding his head in emptiness, or just picked out the comment and has not opinion on the matter.
RVS
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Oddly, I think that too. Foxtrot is on the "too good to be true" end spectrum. However I thought of same about Sakura last game, so fuck knows.
Reason #2453 How Lincolm's shallow behavior looking risky from his POV if he is scum hints that he is not scum
He had the choice not to bring this up, and it is one of the posts that made me thing Dawnsday might be scum. I am not sure if Ace Timing picked up upon how much Dawnsday was trying to push zekks lynch.
Too much confidence, but then again he is still looking through the posts and rolling on the floor
I realize how of an unusual request this is, and it is meant to trip up the player.
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[b][color=#FF40BF]Now that I think about it, after you are finished laughing at the request, can you read Dawnsday too? It might help understand what your previous life was up to. Anyway,
Foxtrot: very town -> scum
Lincolm: town -> null
John: town -> scum
abraker: null/town -> town
zexion: null -> town
rEdo: null -> null
null -> scum
Well It is assuring that he is still onto zekks even after the player change, which means there is somthing going on in that regard. I am surprised my read hasn't changed. Now if Foxtrot is his scumpartner, then that contrasting change looks the logical choice because Foxtrot's ISO would def balance this out for other players and I think Foxtrot can fend off hellfire if needed judging by her posts. I will need to do a zexion ISO later and see what that read might imply.[/color][/b]
So what made you change your mind?
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We just need to threaten to lynch hika and see how Ace Timing attempts to defend in that case. He can let the vote on Hika stay since it means nothing yet.
Doesn't really say much. Null
As I posted later on, I couldn't see how that would indicate scum.
I provide senarios for hypothetical cases to make sense of the read, but this fails to make much connections. False scum hunting and pretend behavior rarely says anything, if at all. As I said in a post before, I assume any scum tactic appears as townie action. Instead I search for persistent action, base motives, connections between interactions and draw hypothetical scenarios for them to draw conclusions from. I am basically laying out the deck of cards faced down and evaluating what the state of the game might be if I flip one over. This fails to tell anything and is just mere finger pointing.
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faux is a french word for false[/quote]
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Dawnsday wrote: 366838
Hello! Sorry for the delay. Catching up on everything now and will do the do
[b][color=#FF40BF]Any response, even my self vote can't be taken at face value. However, we piece together responses and interactions to draw conclusions.
I get a feeling Dawnsday is trying to downplay Lincolm's move on John here to draw attention away from john.[/color][/b]
Dawnsday wrote: 366838
Judging that I didn't skip a post/some super relevant info I'm in the neutral party currently: Lincolm attempted a..? Thing? and John responded with the choice to abstain from any info rather than straight up claiming his PM text was green.
John also seems to be willing to progress other lines of reading (see; his most recent post) whereas Lincolm has stuck to explaining his play. Nothing solid for me atm
My entire opinion on the entire "PM color" thing is that no matter what John responded (even red?), it couldn't be taken at face value ever. He responds green? Duh he's scum, or town. Leaving you with nothing. He responds with nor green nor red? Great, he's given you nothing. He responds red? He can simply claim he was trying to see how far you'd push him as a newb and how devoted you'd be to taking such info at face value. (Though I'm not sure I'd even consider this a possbility in hindsight, just pointing out that even in the most extreme of responses it could be played off.) therefore I think the entire concept of asking for his PM color was flawed in response.
Again, siding with neither of you on this one.
Foxtrot did the same amount of nosing around on the subject as I did so, neutral on her.
"You might be right, but since this is just a response to ensure I am not suspicious, here it is and I still stand by my opinion". It would make for a more interesting reply if Dawnsday asked what color Foxtrot would have said, just to work off that and prove the point. Instead we get this empty, knockoff response. When scum is planning something, or do an action to get results, they would be asked why, and this sort of response is what I expect scum to say because there is no alternative reasoning to their decision other than to do something in their favor.
Dawnsday wrote: 366838
Zexion wrote: 11654m
Dawnsday wrote: 366838
My entire opinion on the entire "PM color" thing is that no matter what John responded (even red?), it couldn't be taken at face value ever. He responds green? Duh he's scum, or town. Leaving you with nothing. He responds with nor green nor red? Great, he's given you nothing. He responds red? He can simply claim he was trying to see how far you'd push him as a newb and how devoted you'd be to taking such info at face value. (Though I'm not sure I'd even consider this a possbility in hindsight, just pointing out that even in the most extreme of responses it could be played off.) therefore I think the entire concept of asking for his PM color was flawed in response.
I think you're just overanalyzing a bad newb-test Lincolm did.
I'm looking at it critically but maybe you're right. I stand by that the concept was flawed, I have no idea as to Lincolm's experience but I'm just giving my opinion on the matter. I stand by that it COULD potentially have been a scum play but I agree that it's just a shortsighted newb test.
As it turns out, as shown later in the game, that there is something to read from zekks's weird comment. But we were still wrapping our heads about this and zekks has yet to show the his inactivity. Also what do you mean by "fluff memory?"
Dawnsday wrote: 366838
Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p
interesting that you mention a connection between Lincolm and Zekks, Dawnsday
Zekks recently wrote this
Zekks wrote: 102o9
idc, as long as I'm walking, there's no stopping for me 'w'
and I asked her to clarify on this, but she hasn't told me anything yet. I know, I might be looking too hard for clues, but that is such an odd thing to say
It is odd agreed. It's possible this is just fluff memery (however inappropriate one may deem it in a thread). I'm also quite eager to hear the reasoning for it but on the whole I don't think there's too too much that can be read into.
expected
Dawnsday wrote: 366838
Vote: Zekks
Maybe this gives you the incentive to "look things over". You're setting off my scumdar now.
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Dawnsday wrote: 366838
last mod post, he was 1 vote, me and fox voted so that's 3?
L-2 I think but not sure of it's accuracy.
/shrug
Kinda hope Zekks posts soon, been scummy the entire time and this latest post doesn't help :S
So Dawnsday is drawing connections between Lincolm, John and Zekks. Don't see much wrong with this. Currently I am convinced Lincolm was a radioactive knucklehead and zekks is just dumb town. Scum being as radioactive as Lincolm would be quite an adventure for them, and judging by Lincoln's behavior, I don't think he would want to risk that. I don't think he has the deeper knowledge needed to know how to get out the situation if votes did settled on him for those actions. To give an example, Foxtrot seems to be the type of person that would be confident doing this if scum, but I don't believe Lincolm would.
Dawnsday wrote: 366838
Lincolm wrote: 2x5543
Somehow this question doesn't posted in my previous post.
Dawnsday wrote: 366838
furthering the narrative that Zekks & Lincolm seems to have some connection
What do you mean by "connection" between me and Zekks? Do you mean scum-scum interaction or something? What if one or both of us town?
You and Zekks seemed to speak to eachother a lot, you were asking Zekks for his thoughts about John (you've explained this to be solely down to online s but I'm still iffy.)
Not saying it's scum scum but I'm not sure about buddying in any scenario as townies.
First part seems reasonable. Second part, Dawnsday seems to have people vote for zekks. It's not a matter of questioning the scummy behaviors at this point. Either zeeks is dumb town or is scum. Most decided zekks is dumb town, and I agree. However, Dawnsday is still fixed on it as if there is more to discuss about why that is scum. Almost everything on why that might be scum has been already said at that point. This is Dawnsday trying to change mind and get people to vote on zekks.
Dawnsday wrote: 366838
Lincolm wrote: 2x5543
Dawnsday wrote: 366838
You and Zekks seemed to speak to eachother a lot, you were asking Zekks for his thoughts about John (you've explained this to be solely down to online s but I'm still iffy.)
I think there are more interaction between me and Foxtrot now. What do you think about that?
Incomparable. This is currently an open discussion, not a simple "hey X what do you think about Y" out of the blue (where X is currently most people's top scumread). You x Foxtrot interaction is limited to discussion, not the half-buddying I witnessed, again. I'm not claiming it to be scum-scum buddying. Was just an observation I made when rereading the thread.
Lincolm wrote: 2x5543
Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p
it's not like we can't unvote, so why would you say that? is zekks getting too many votes for your liking?
As abraker and Hika scum-read Zekks also, I would like you guys to see other players as I don't think Zekks is scum for now. Also, you can go unvote and vote him back. It's not about the votes, but everyone seems too focused on Zekks.
Somehow, I'm pretty sure there is no point in pressuring or waiting Zekks. But if you want to stick your vote, I don't mind also.
Explain? When asked to open up on certain things he simply says "I'm too lazy" and literally applies a logical fallacy (Appeals to emotion in his statement that if we lynch him we'll give mafia a higher probability.)
I'm not saying he's guaranteed scum but he should 100% be setting off some alarms in your head right about now.
I saw stuff as stupid as zekks in a previous game. I'd say anti-town, but doesn't imply scum. But you can start to see the change of mind in Dawnsday already as zekks bandwagon dies down
Dawnsday wrote: 366838
looking forward to posts from rEdo and Zexion honestly, haven't seen enough to get reads.
Also even if Zekks isn't a redname his posts don't exactly scream "pro-town" to me so I'm still entirely set on getting some info from him, obviously I'm open to let him go and follow other reads if we get any but this is defo the flavor of the day controversy for me.
Had to just drop and agree. So malleable.
Dawnsday wrote: 366838
Zekks play is anti town but I think he's just a bit clueless. I'm gonna drop it for now but if we turn up nothing I'm going to go for a policy lynch.
unvote
If zekks is a town, then we can expect zekks to be the victim at night. Depending on the PR dawnsday think zekks might have and if Dawnsday is scum, it would be in his best interest to lynch zekks. However, we seem him let zekks go. Doesn't make sense if dawnsday is scum
Dawnsday wrote: 366838
I actually catch a hint of Zekks possibly being PR because of his "lynch me and mafia have a higher chance" post. It just seems that something a noob with a power role would say, could be entirely wrong but it's 100% a possibility in my mind and one that wouldn't shock me if it were to be true.
Also +1 to Foxtrot's point about John and Zexion needing to post more content. It's hard to get reads on people who don't converse
Will post later
This is a response to Lincolm saying that while we can attempt to lynch zekks, if he flips town, then that would be super bad. Yet Dawnsday still want to convince that doing that to zekks is a good consideration... right after choosing to unvote. He is still pushing to make zekks lynched and it's becomming how subtly, yet forcefully he is doing that. Given my previous comment regarding Dawnsday needing to lynch zekks instead of NK because of PR, this makes perfect sense. And he had to unvote as insurance that vote won't draw uneeded attention.
Dawnsday wrote: 366838
Lincolm wrote: 2x5543
, but I hate policy lynch also.
Why? If he's not commited to reading he's going to hurt town in the long run. It's not FUN to policy lynch rest assured I'd rather the idea was never even conceived but honestly.
I agree we shouldnt straight call it a day here and lynch but it should 100% be an option for us moving forward.
[b][color=#FF40BF]He unvoted zekks twice in a row. Didn't vote in between. Not sure if mistake or just in case to make sure people notice that he unvoted zekks. Also I did it because for reasons I explained my reasoning for it in the rEdo iso. But if dawnsday experienced a selfvote turning scum previous game,
then why doesn't he just claim I am scum and vote for me then? I think my actions are just as scummy. This kinda kills the "Dawnsday as scum votes upon chance" theory. As the thinking goes, if someone appears scummy, the vote would be automatically justified for scum, but that it is not seen with Dawnsday.[/color][/b]
Dawnsday wrote: 366838
I have little to no faith in the power of PoE currently, seriously it's day 1.
Also, how and why does selfvoting exist in mafia; I seriously fail to see it's applications in any useful scenario. The last time I saw it used was BBoy last game and he did it to CLAIM he was scum.
Any other time it's used it's just straight up weird. Anyone explain it's use here? (Sorry I'm still learning mafia apparently).
unvote
removing my vote on Zekks because this is a weird gamestate
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Dawnsday wrote: 366838
Hika wrote: 2p2929
Also, self voting strategy shouldn't be mentioned here. Maybe google it cause we're currently in game and dont want mafia doing anything with that information.
Aight, ty anyway.
I don't fully agree with Foxtrot read until I get self analysis from her. Lincolm can agree. I still can't tell much about John and won't be able to until D2. His read on me strikes me weird. As mentioned before, the selfvote turned up scum in previous game and he had to mention it, but thinks I am town instead. I understand it was to claim he was mafia, but still, I wouldn't be so sure of town with that in mind. Not much on others, and Hika did turn leaning toward the scum side for me as well.
Dawnsday wrote: 366838
Going to give my reads and throw a few observations of mine into the mix
Foxtrot: As everyone has said, she looks largely townie. I have no reason not to have the same assumption, I'm weary but given what small meta I know this is likely to be a townie.
Lincolm: His 1v1 with Foxtrot earlygame gives me 2 townies trying to pry vibes. Everything he posts to me looks very very pro town agenda and for now he's a slight townread but this is subject to change moving forward
John: Posts strike me as just a new townie (Same as lincolm), I'm also swayed by his reaction to policy lynching (He's a newb but he understands the townie benefits of PL)
Abraker: Largely null but he's trying to help town, Selfvote earlygame gives me a strong townie vibe from him
Null Zone is Zexion, rEdo, Zekks, Hika
Zexion - Inactive.
rEdo - Not enough content to sway me over but he's more realistically nulltown.
Zekks - I felt like making a "Zekks" zone and putting him in it for the rest of the game, we played irc mafia earlier and he seemed competent as a mafia (he actually won rofl.), his mafia strategy largely entailed parroting the most active townies just enough to stay out of suspicion. But IRC is a different beast to forum so I have no idea how reliable any of it is. He stays in null permanently probably.
Hika - Actually one of my strongest "gut" feelings I've had in a mafia game thus far. Everything Hika posts rubs me the wrong way, I'm going to link specific posts eventually (pressed for time here atm) but a lot of what she posts just FEELS SO "LAMIST" to me, I'm willing to accept I'm probably wrong on this one and I'm just being paranoid but it's a read and I have it so that's that. Keeping in null because there's nothing I have beyond my gut.
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Dawnsday wrote: 366838
there was an attempt
I did mention how I fail to see the point of not mentioning voting strategy on here if both sides have same info. I am not sure if Dawnsday is agreeing with this, nodding his head in emptiness, or just picked out the comment and has not opinion on the matter.
Dawnsday wrote: 366838
Hika wrote: 2p2929
Also, self voting strategy shouldn't be mentioned here. Maybe google it cause we're currently in game and dont want mafia doing anything with that information.
Strikes me as a LAMIST post mainly due to the "dont want mafia doing anything with that information". Just feels like such a weird addition to the sentence in general, ending at "we're currently in game" would've been acceptable but the last bit seems to be tacked on solely to remind us you're not mafia.
Also upon actually rereading you don't have as many posts I find questionable as I seem to have ed. You're probably still pretty null for me honestly. Sorry for forcing you to do stuff on your drinking night, I'm just giving my honest views!
also @mod can we have a votecount
RVS
Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
I HAVEN'T READ ANYTHING BUT I'M JESUS SO
Hika
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Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
fuck
Vote: Hika
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Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
ok i just started reading and stuff
Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p
Lincolm wrote: 2x5543
That's logical answer. And no, I just ask if you get red or green colour, hoping you to answer red somehow.
Well-written flavour, though.
why would he answer red? are you trying to distract us from actual scum and shift the attention to the new players?
Hey Zekks, what do you think about John?
this further proves my suspicion; stop trying to initiate a bandwagon, it's not working
Vote: Lincolm
this is horrible lmao
Oddly, I think that too. Foxtrot is on the "too good to be true" end spectrum. However I thought of same about Sakura last game, so fuck knows.
Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p
you're acting very scummy, zekks. if you're town, i advise you to stop it. you're most likely not.
I'm starting to think this is playstyle cause you sound so forced and unnatural
Reason #2453 How Lincolm's shallow behavior looking risky from his POV if he is scum hints that he is not scum
Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
Lincolm wrote: 2x5543
Vote : abraker because PoE (L-3)
LOL
is this PoE on day one? How the fuck dude?
He had the choice not to bring this up, and it is one of the posts that made me thing Dawnsday might be scum. I am not sure if Ace Timing picked up upon how much Dawnsday was trying to push zekks lynch.
Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
Dawnsday wrote: 366838
Lincolm wrote: 2x5543
, but I hate policy lynch also.
Why? If he's not commited to reading he's going to hurt town in the long run. It's not FUN to policy lynch rest assured I'd rather the idea was never even conceived but honestly.
I read this as dawn actually saying he'd like it better if zekks was never conceived and I was laughing so hard
Too much confidence, but then again he is still looking through the posts and rolling on the floor
Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
Hika wrote: 2p2929
I have more people in the red rather than green, sad to say
me_irl
y'all are so scummy for no reason
I realize how of an unusual request this is, and it is meant to trip up the player.
Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
abraker wrote: 6cx2d
To level this uncertainty off, I ask you to analyze your own posts and come up with a detailed read on yourself.
LOL
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Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
holy shit you guys have me rolling
[b][color=#FF40BF]Now that I think about it, after you are finished laughing at the request, can you read Dawnsday too? It might help understand what your previous life was up to. Anyway,
Foxtrot: very town -> scum
Lincolm: town -> null
John: town -> scum
abraker: null/town -> town
zexion: null -> town
rEdo: null -> null
null -> scum
Well It is assuring that he is still onto zekks even after the player change, which means there is somthing going on in that regard. I am surprised my read hasn't changed. Now if Foxtrot is his scumpartner, then that contrasting change looks the logical choice because Foxtrot's ISO would def balance this out for other players and I think Foxtrot can fend off hellfire if needed judging by her posts. I will need to do a zexion ISO later and see what that read might imply.[/color][/b]
Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
ok it took me about 20 minutes to read everything, which was, disappointing, to say the least.
I want to say my reads are something like
Town:
Zexion
Hika
abraker
Null:
rEdo
Lincolm
Scum:
Foxtrot
johnmedina999
[ - Zekks - ]
Which is too many scum for the purposes of this game.
So what made you change your mind?
Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
abraker was initially scum, which had me at more scum than town lol
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Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
yes they are newbie and scum
ty for adjectives
We just need to threaten to lynch hika and see how Ace Timing attempts to defend in that case. He can let the vote on Hika stay since it means nothing yet.
Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
Lincolm wrote: 2x5543
So you like your vote in Hika, your townread, instead your scumread? Interesting choice
I'm exceedingly lazy
Doesn't really say much. Null
Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
rEdo wrote: p3f2b
@Ace Timing: what makes you think Foxtrot is scum?
He's got a tone of awkwardness and stiffness that I don't particularly like. I also find a few of his posts quite egregrious.
As I posted later on, I couldn't see how that would indicate scum.
Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
https://osu-ppy-sh.jeuxcrack.net/forum/p/6181003/" rel="nofollow">https://osu-ppy-sh.jeuxcrack.net/forum/p/6181003/
These posts are some examples of such
It's not the scummiest ISO on earth but it's hard to get a baseline like this lol
I provide senarios for hypothetical cases to make sense of the read, but this fails to make much connections. False scum hunting and pretend behavior rarely says anything, if at all. As I said in a post before, I assume any scum tactic appears as townie action. Instead I search for persistent action, base motives, connections between interactions and draw hypothetical scenarios for them to draw conclusions from. I am basically laying out the deck of cards faced down and evaluating what the state of the game might be if I flip one over. This fails to tell anything and is just mere finger pointing.
Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p
abraker wrote: 6cx2d
Well since we can forgive zekks's concerning stupidity, PoE looks sexy as fuck, and I would like to bring my end of the deal, I guess I have no choice either
vote: abraker
No, you do have a choice. And that choice is not to off yourself. Are you trying to do this to make yourself more believable?
Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p
[ - Zekks - ] wrote: 4w4v2y
Who's her?
are you deliberately avoiding my question?
It reads sour to me as disingenuous because it looks like he's trying to twist things into being scummy and then asking them if they're doing it. Feels like ez faux-scumhunting
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abraker wrote: 6cx2d
Still noob enough not to know what this meansAce Timing wrote: 36512t
faux-scumhunting
faux is a french word for false[/quote]
So Danwsday/Ace is leaning toward scum due to pushing zekks lynch too hard, and might have connections with Foxtrot or Hika.
Just because you're projecting yourself onto me? There's not enough time for me to analyze my posts and I don't think it's necessary. Also I don't particularly feel like it because I don't think it would help the game in any way.abraker wrote: 6cx2d
To level this uncertainty off, I ask you to analyze your own posts and come up with a detailed read on yourself.
I didn't ask why you're not voting for abraker, I asked why you need votecount for read. I realize this is old, but that's not exactly what I asked.Hika wrote: 2p2929
I dont want scum to come along and 'accidentally' hammer abraker also. Would be dumb for anyone else to vote him without a complete town decision. hope you see where im coming from
Anyhow, Hika is right. Zekks might have been roleclaiming in a dumb way and we just took it too seriously. Especially me. It just rubbed me off really wrong so yeah, I think voting for them was a mistake. Honestly, I just did it to get them to talk but considering they completely disappeared it was a mistake of mine to forget to unvote them.
Considering abraker is L-2 and the final day is almost over, that worries me though.
What do you mean "why not both"? That implies that you don't want to flip scum but at the same time you want to move the game forward. Is that what you're trying to say here?abraker wrote: 6cx2d
Why not both? Why not because it was worrying not seeing a response for that long with the day nearing end and why not because suicide D1 is an darn awful way to go regardless what alignment I am? I would be lying if I said that I am not looking for reasons to justify changing my vote to someone else. What might happen is that I change my vote a few hours before the day is up, and that will surely make me look like scum even more. I am digging myself further into this hole as I post, but what to do?
I don't know what the hell were you expecting, man. Don't make dumb promises like self-voting.
I don't want to be voted off D1 and I don't want things to let be since there is still a lot left to analyze.Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p
What do you mean "why not both"? That implies that you don't want to flip scum but at the same time you want to move the game forward. Is that what you're trying to say here?
Oh shit dawnsday isn't on this read! What gives?johnmedina999 wrote: 3r3a6s
abraker wrote: 6cx2d
@John
Your reads?ng else.[/list]
- I don't know much about Zexion, or Hika, so I cannot say anything for them.
- I can't say much about redo either, but due to his last post, I would say he's town, but I'm not too sure.
- Foxtrot is also town to me, her posts analyze all players very well and she pushes people to give info, I don't think that's associated as scum.
- As abraker pointed out, they both post similarly, very neutral, very analytic. Personally, I don't like this "poker face" style of play because there is really nothing to analyze; abraker played like this last game as well, and he got lynched, and he flipped town, so I don't know about these two.
abraker, however, with his self-vote, is starting to flip towards the mafia side, because of the reasons previously posted. I will have my eye on you.- Zekks is lazy and may be either town or mafia.
- Lincolm is leaning towards scum, he is very defensive explaining his actions and doesn't really offer
Well why is Hika your town read? It still puts me off that hika needed vote count for reads. Hammer or no hammer, vote count should be an honest opinion. If the person needs one vote to lynch and you think that person is scum, you need to say it so that person and other can respond to it.Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
I mean if you do threaten to lynch Hika I'm gonna unvote, because she's my townread... That's not a very good associative read there bud.
>He had the choice not to bring this up, and it is one of the posts that made me thing Dawnsday might be scum. I am not sure if Ace Timing picked up upon how much Dawnsday was trying to push zekks lynch.
I was ignoring Dawnsday for the most part.
>I provide senarios for hypothetical cases to make sense of the read, but this fails to make much connections. False scum hunting and pretend behavior rarely says anything, if at all. As I said in a post before, I assume any scum tactic appears as townie action. Instead I search for persistent action, base motives, connections between interactions and draw hypothetical scenarios for them to draw conclusions from. I am basically laying out the deck of cards faced down and evaluating what the state of the game might be if I flip one over. This fails to tell anything and is just mere finger pointing.
With the logic of "scum won't do scummy things," your scumhunting is extremely limited. Scumhunting is a townie action, and thus it's scum's prerogative to fake doing so; fake scumhunting is inherently scummy and it stops there. You're bending over backwards to tell me some irrelevant method of scumhunting from you that isn't applicable here.
>Well It is assuring that he is still onto zekks even after the player change, which means there is somthing going on in that regard. I am surprised my read hasn't changed. Now if Foxtrot is his scumpartner, then that contrasting change looks the logical choice because Foxtrot's ISO would def balance this out for other players and I think Foxtrot can fend off hellfire if needed judging by her posts. I will need to do a zexion ISO later and see what that read might imply.
You're comparing my reads to my slot's earlier reads, which is NAI at best. You're forcing a connection where there isn't one.
>Now that I think about it, after you are finished laughing at the request, can you read Dawnsday too? It might help understand what your previous life was up to
I'm not going to do that. That wouldn't help you at all.
>Well why is Hika your town read? It still puts me off that hika needed vote count for reads. Hammer or no hammer, vote count should be an honest opinion. If the person needs one vote to lynch and you think that person is scum, you need to say it so that person and other can respond to it.
the hammer isn't the only aspect of the vote count relevant to reads. Sometimes a VC doesn't make sense with your reads, and a readover is necessary.
I was ignoring Dawnsday for the most part.
>I provide senarios for hypothetical cases to make sense of the read, but this fails to make much connections. False scum hunting and pretend behavior rarely says anything, if at all. As I said in a post before, I assume any scum tactic appears as townie action. Instead I search for persistent action, base motives, connections between interactions and draw hypothetical scenarios for them to draw conclusions from. I am basically laying out the deck of cards faced down and evaluating what the state of the game might be if I flip one over. This fails to tell anything and is just mere finger pointing.
With the logic of "scum won't do scummy things," your scumhunting is extremely limited. Scumhunting is a townie action, and thus it's scum's prerogative to fake doing so; fake scumhunting is inherently scummy and it stops there. You're bending over backwards to tell me some irrelevant method of scumhunting from you that isn't applicable here.
>Well It is assuring that he is still onto zekks even after the player change, which means there is somthing going on in that regard. I am surprised my read hasn't changed. Now if Foxtrot is his scumpartner, then that contrasting change looks the logical choice because Foxtrot's ISO would def balance this out for other players and I think Foxtrot can fend off hellfire if needed judging by her posts. I will need to do a zexion ISO later and see what that read might imply.
You're comparing my reads to my slot's earlier reads, which is NAI at best. You're forcing a connection where there isn't one.
>Now that I think about it, after you are finished laughing at the request, can you read Dawnsday too? It might help understand what your previous life was up to
I'm not going to do that. That wouldn't help you at all.
>Well why is Hika your town read? It still puts me off that hika needed vote count for reads. Hammer or no hammer, vote count should be an honest opinion. If the person needs one vote to lynch and you think that person is scum, you need to say it so that person and other can respond to it.
the hammer isn't the only aspect of the vote count relevant to reads. Sometimes a VC doesn't make sense with your reads, and a readover is necessary.
Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
It's really not though
Except it is. Needing a vote count before giving reads implies that the reads are based on who has votes or not. Following me so far?Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
It's really not though
That means that if someone (Hika's partner) has too many votes for her taste, she would read that person as town: if not, and the person was safe for the time being, it would be OK to read that person as scum.
That's exactly what we're doing, if you haven't noticed.Hika wrote: 2p2929
idk why I play with newbies bc you guys miss the point of playing mafia
The whole point is to AS A TEAM, come up with a lynch before deadline, otherwise we might get rekt AS A TEAM
Just because people have their guns pointed at you doesn't mean that no one is playing as a team; three people have you under their radar, while a couple more have their eye on you. Why are you getting paranoid now that the day is almost over?Hika wrote: 2p2929
And it's more suspicious that three people are still on my case about it
Unvote
Vote: Hika
Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
the hammer isn't the only aspect of the vote count relevant to reads. Sometimes a VC doesn't make sense with your reads, and a readover is necessary.
As you are going through reading the posts, you can keep track of the vote count on your own. It's a bold action separate from much else. If you are lazy to do that much, then my understanding is that you just skimmed through posts and picked whatever best fit your needs. It would have been faster to go through the posts and do a vote count yourself than wait a few days for bboy. I went through all 18 (now 19) pages at least 6 times in the past few hours while compiling player data. It's not that hard.Hika wrote: 2p2929
I don't understand what's so hard to get with me wanting vote counts
I am still going through Foxtrot posts, trying to find her reads. Zex doesn't seem to have made any reads, but I am yet to go through and search for his posts specifically.
You're comparing my reads to my slot's earlier reads, which is NAI at best. You're forcing a connection where there isn't one.Ok, fair
Any thoughts about any player help, especially if that player is self. Was worth the try anyway, didn't expect much after Foxtrot declined.Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
I'm not going to do that. That wouldn't help you at all.
My logic isn't "scum won't do scummy things". Anything scummy is instantly on radar, and it's the easiest to pick up upon. It's townie actions which are hard to decipher because both town and scum would do it. Because those actions can be either scum or town, and I evaluate both possibilities and draw conclusions. I am yet to post a grand total analysis of all major player actions with both sides to each action, but it is in the works. Players that played with me before can vouch that I am not bullshitting about making it.Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
With the logic of "scum won't do scummy things," your scumhunting is extremely limited. Scumhunting is a townie action, and thus it's scum's prerogative to fake doing so; fake scumhunting is inherently scummy and it stops there. You're bending over backwards to tell me some irrelevant method of scumhunting from you that isn't applicable here.
Also this is missing an answer to why you think Hika is town. It just has a counter toward my argument that Hika might be scum for the weird VC request.Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
>Well why is Hika your town read? It still puts me off that hika needed vote count for reads. Hammer or no hammer, vote count should be an honest opinion. If the person needs one vote to lynch and you think that person is scum, you need to say it so that person and other can respond to it.
the hammer isn't the only aspect of the vote count relevant to reads. Sometimes a VC doesn't make sense with your reads, and a readover is necessary.
Hika wrote: 2p2929
playing osu! mafia is bad because we always tend to panic our votes which is why I kept stressing the deadline so much before.
Oh it will def end with panic. Given the activity, there won't be enough time to decide on anything. At least a few Zex posts will be a miracle, I have yet to take a good look at Foxtrot, and it will be a few hours before time is up when I post my compiled analysis, giving others little time to respond.Hika wrote: 2p2929
I'm not paranoid, I'm just trying to figure out how today is going to end with 20 hrs left
>implying that post hoc ergo propter hocjohnmedina999 wrote: 3r3a6s
Except it is. Needing a vote count before giving reads implies that the reads are based on who has votes or not. Following me so far?
That means that if someone (Hika's partner) has too many votes for her taste, she would read that person as town: if not, and the person was safe for the time being, it would be OK to read that person as scum.
lmao
I lie eagerly in wait.abraker wrote: 6cx2d
My logic isn't "scum won't do scummy things". Anything scummy is instantly on radar, and it's the easiest to pick up upon. It's townie actions which are hard to decipher because both town and scum would do it. Because those actions can be either scum or town, and I evaluate both possibilities and draw conclusions. I am yet to post a grand total analysis of all major player actions with both sides to each action, but it is in the works. Players that played with me before can vouch that I am not bullshitting about making it.
I know that.abraker wrote: 6cx2d
Also this is missing an answer to why you think Hika is town. It just has a counter toward my argument that Hika might be scum for the weird VC request.Ace Timing wrote: 36512t
>Well why is Hika your town read? It still puts me off that hika needed vote count for reads. Hammer or no hammer, vote count should be an honest opinion. If the person needs one vote to lynch and you think that person is scum, you need to say it so that person and other can respond to it.
the hammer isn't the only aspect of the vote count relevant to reads. Sometimes a VC doesn't make sense with your reads, and a readover is necessary.