Well, HoboEater is right that you can't completely remove the vocals but you can significantly reduce their volume while lowering the overall quality of the track a bit.
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The definition of mixing is attaching tracks together. Like in the guidelines state, you can mix your vocals and the instrumentals. The rules state that mixing FX are not allowed. Let me take back my previous statement. CUTTING IS NOT A MIXING EFFECT.Endaris wrote: 6j5f7
"imo"HoboEater wrote: 3f5z1m
Cutting is not a mixing effect imo. Its just attaching audio clips together.
It's opinionated.
It creates a result that you couldn't achieve without using audio-editing. It can be considered mixing.
Yes it can find certain frequencies the vocals are using but it destroys the quality of the track.[Hiiro Sakaki] wrote: 1zsy
HoboEater wrote: 3f5z1m
No its literally impossible to remove vocals from a song unless you have the original files with the tracks separated. When its compressed to an mp3, the tracks cannot be separated.
That's the whole point of audacity filtering vocals' frequencies so it makes two different tracks?
So I fought back a little on the key change debate because that's editing the instrumental, not the vocal. But putting together different pieces of a vocal is essentially editing your performance and not giving a true representation (the term for this is "comping," by the way, which is a step people take when mixing a song).
You have the opportunity to do as many takes as you want in this competition, just pick the best one of those. If you can't give a good performance in a single take with a whole month to prepare and re-record, honestly you probably don't deserve to move on anyway. *Prepares for backlash*
You have the opportunity to do as many takes as you want in this competition, just pick the best one of those. If you can't give a good performance in a single take with a whole month to prepare and re-record, honestly you probably don't deserve to move on anyway. *Prepares for backlash*
yes it's still going. they're DQing the entries that broke the rules (e.g. no vocal cuts, etc.)Emma55525 wrote: z5w3
w8, I'm kinda puzzled. So it's June 24th but the first stage is already over? Like we should start recording 2nd stage entries already? Or it's still going, you're just disqualifing entries that broke rules? .w.
was about to submit my entry but it has vocal cuts so i'm gonna redo it
Lacrimae wrote: 3y4cm
white ones are submitted entries, waiting for reviewZeva[FL] wrote: 6w6c26
I just come back to this post, and read through it,
can i ask a question?
The red means DQ
Green means
what about the white? or the grey? i get the yellow as questionable entry
grey ones are entries by judges
So the review is not done yet? Okay then 😭
My entry has not been reviewed
Yes, its not an effect but its still mixing. Apparently I need to reword it to be more clear.HoboEater wrote: 3f5z1m
Not sure if cutting was supposed to fit under here, but I don't consider it mixing fx.
Good for you.HoboEater wrote: 3f5z1m
Yes. I won't say who, but I have more than enough evidence that its cut since I did it myself. The point is that I think cutting is a stupid rule and can't be enforced unless it super obvious.
We enforce it if its obvious as you can see, if its seamless, good for them.
thistHampton wrote: 4h501g
So I fought back a little on the key change debate because that's editing the instrumental, not the vocal. But putting together different pieces of a vocal is essentially editing your performance and not giving a true representation (the term for this is "comping," by the way, which is a step people take when mixing a song).
You have the opportunity to do as many takes as you want in this competition, just pick the best one of those. If you can't give a good performance in a single take with a whole month to prepare and re-record, honestly you probably don't deserve to move on anyway. *Prepares for backlash*
tHampton wrote: 4h501g
So I fought back a little on the key change debate because that's editing the instrumental, not the vocal. But putting together different pieces of a vocal is essentially editing your performance and not giving a true representation (the term for this is "comping," by the way, which is a step people take when mixing a song).
You have the opportunity to do as many takes as you want in this competition, just pick the best one of those. If you can't give a good performance in a single take with a whole month to prepare and re-record, honestly you probably don't deserve to move on anyway. *Prepares for backlash*
preach
Well I see the original rules were now edited. So lets get this clear.
ALL of the DQs (and excluding troll/404 submissions) are made up of edited cuts.
I think its pretty clear that the original rules were shit if every single DQ was breaking the exact same rule.
Maybe there's a good reason why people use cuts? You might argue that oh why can't you do it in a single take or you have a whole month to prepare.
Doing a single take is way harder than you think, especially if the song is 3 minutes or longer. You screw up once and you have to listen to the whole thing again so it doesn't count as being cut. That's just stupid. This isn't some live audition; its perfectly reasonable to use cuts to save time and give the best pieces of your vocal performance.
It's so stupid to see entries like this https://soundcloud.com/ikkoe/once-upon- ... i-applella get DQ'd because of cutting.
ALL of the DQs (and excluding troll/404 submissions) are made up of edited cuts.
I think its pretty clear that the original rules were shit if every single DQ was breaking the exact same rule.
Maybe there's a good reason why people use cuts? You might argue that oh why can't you do it in a single take or you have a whole month to prepare.
Doing a single take is way harder than you think, especially if the song is 3 minutes or longer. You screw up once and you have to listen to the whole thing again so it doesn't count as being cut. That's just stupid. This isn't some live audition; its perfectly reasonable to use cuts to save time and give the best pieces of your vocal performance.
It's so stupid to see entries like this https://soundcloud.com/ikkoe/once-upon- ... i-applella get DQ'd because of cutting.
From what I've read, the entries can be rejudged. And the judging has already been changed literally an hour ago. The rules were updated to "mixing fx is not allowed" to "track mixing is not allowed". These are completely different. Not letting cut entries is much more unfair. It works both ways.Emma55525 wrote: z5w3
I don't like arguing, but just saw your posts and I think like... yes, it's not live auditions but changing judging now and letting cutted entries isn't kinda unfair with people who made effort to record in one sitting?
Yet I there were several times someone asked in topic if it has to be recorded in one sitting so everyone should be aware of that. As you said - recording in one sitting is way harder but most people did it, tho they probably wanted to do cuts many times. If you were one of those people, wouldn't you feel like you lost your time? Being unaware of rules doen't make you allowed to break them and breaking rules is to be punished. Fighting for changing rules now is way too unfair.HoboEater wrote: 3f5z1m
From what I've read, the entries can be rejudged. And the judging has already been changed literally an hour ago. The rules were updated to "mixing fx is not allowed" to "track mixing is not allowed". These are completely different. Not letting cut entries is much more unfair. It works both ways.
Maybe it was mentioned somewhere, but that's ridiculous because it wasn't mentioned in the original rules. You don't bury extra rules in the middle of a thread. Anyways from what I've seen so far, no one has been disqualified for not breaking the rules in a single take. I'm sorry to all those who spent lots of time doing a single take, but trust me, the feeling of being DQ'd for not breaking rules is a much worse feeling.Emma55525 wrote: z5w3
Yet I there were several times someone asked in topic if it has to be recorded in one sitting so everyone should be aware of that. As you said - recording in one sitting is way harder but most people did it, tho they probably wanted to do cuts many times. If you were one of those people, wouldn't you feel like you lost your time? Being unaware of rules doen't make you allowed to break them and breaking rules is to be punished. Fighting for changing rules now is way too unfair.HoboEater wrote: 3f5z1m
From what I've read, the entries can be rejudged. And the judging has already been changed literally an hour ago. The rules were updated to "mixing fx is not allowed" to "track mixing is not allowed". These are completely different. Not letting cut entries is much more unfair. It works both ways.
^thisFlanster wrote: 2k4e1s
This was never buried. Mixing was never allowed in osu!idol (excluding finals). Cutting falls under it.
I'm not here to argue, so I will not. I apologise if the rule didn't give the proper information.
Also going to add, if your first entry got disqualified, please do not resubmit the old one unedited or submit a new entry.
The whole point I guess is to make it like a live audition... Idols get selected in live auditions, where only a single "one shot" performance matters, not a whole work of "producing"Emma55525 wrote: z5w3
I don't like arguing, but just saw your posts and I think like... yes, it's not live auditions but changing judging now and letting cutted entries isn't kinda unfair with people who made effort to record in one sitting?
Really... You're not here to argue? Should I address my concerns over to peppy?Flanster wrote: 2k4e1s
This was never buried. Mixing was never allowed in osu!idol (excluding finals). Cutting falls under it.
I'm not here to argue, so I will not. I apologise if the rule didn't give the proper information.
Maybe I'm not making my point clear. As I've said the original rules were ambiguous of what mixing fx meant. I think most would think that cutting is not considered a mixing fx. Mixing effects would be directly editing your voice such as changing the pitch or adding reverb effects. And you even edited the rules afterwards to make it clear that track mixing is not allowed. This edit happened after people were already DQ'd. Saying this was never allowed in the previous year either is not a valid point.
The least I propose is rejudging the few that got DQ'd in the registration phase and clarifying it for future rounds.
And for consideration in the future, I still think cutting should be allowed. It's perfectly reasonable for someone to save time by combining their best vocal tracks together instead of doing a one take. If there's a long break in the middle of the song you can't seriously think that we will sit through it a bunch of times if we mess up. Maybe there's a huge pitch change in between a verse and it's awkward to sing well. Maybe the song is really long or has a lot of high notes and we need a break in between.
I'm sure lot more people are doing it than you may think, and the only ones being punished are those with obvious cuts (an entry that I mixed for someone got a ).
Or maybe you think that its unfair that those who know how to mix have an advantage over those who don't? It's literally as easy as making a slideshow in windows movie maker. We are even encouraged to mix in the finals!!! If you don't know how to mix then you're in huge trouble later on.
Sorry for dragging this on.
At this time, please do not submit another entry. Your entry is marked in yellow so it is still under evaluation. Submitting a new entry now could very possibly result in you being disqualified.StaticImages wrote: 6s5q38
Due to my voice not being very clear, as said in the docs, and it blending with the BGM, should i make a new recording..? or just leave it for the judges to decide what to do with the recording that's already been sent in?
No.Jellyblob56 wrote: 6l1u62
Can you do a duet with someone who doesn't have a osu! as long as long as it is for this competition?
Sorry but now you're just nitpicking. I'm sure those who werent very familiar with audio editing have asked someone who could. There hasn't been any problem like this so far. I could even offer my assistance if a problem like this arises.HoboEater wrote: 3f5z1m
Really... You're not here to argue? Should I address my concerns over to peppy?Flanster wrote: 2k4e1s
This was never buried. Mixing was never allowed in osu!idol (excluding finals). Cutting falls under it.
I'm not here to argue, so I will not. I apologise if the rule didn't give the proper information.
Maybe I'm not making my point clear. As I've said the original rules were ambiguous of what mixing fx meant. I think most would think that cutting is not considered a mixing fx. Mixing effects would be directly editing your voice such as changing the pitch or adding reverb effects. And you even edited the rules afterwards to make it clear that track mixing is not allowed. This edit happened after people were already DQ'd. Saying this was never allowed in the previous year either is not a valid point.
The least I propose is rejudging the few that got DQ'd in the registration phase and clarifying it for future rounds.
And for consideration in the future, I still think cutting should be allowed. It's perfectly reasonable for someone to save time by combining their best vocal tracks together instead of doing a one take. If there's a long break in the middle of the song you can't seriously think that we will sit through it a bunch of times if we mess up. Maybe there's a huge pitch change in between a verse and it's awkward to sing well. Maybe the song is really long or has a lot of high notes and we need a break in between.
I'm sure lot more people are doing it than you may think, and the only ones being punished are those with obvious cuts (an entry that I mixed for someone got a ).
Or maybe you think that its unfair that those who know how to mix have an advantage over those who don't? It's literally as easy as making a slideshow in windows movie maker. We are even encouraged to mix in the finals!!! If you don't know how to mix then you're in huge trouble later on.
Sorry for dragging this on.
I've already apologised and have said the rule wasn't clear enough. Cutting was never allowed and it won't be, thats final.
That makes sense, I haven't even thought about it this way, tho it's so easy and it seems so correct >w<[Hiiro Sakaki] wrote: 1zsy
The whole point I guess is to make it like a live audition... Idols get selected in live auditions, where only a single "one shot" performance matters, not a whole work of "producing"
Well, it makes no-cutting rule even more obvious now
Wahhhh only 4 days left and my friend still didnt submit her entry 
She got sick just as her exam ended and now cant record D: Piyooooo you have to get better before the limit D:
Hoped for enough entry for Top100 i thought maybe i could through registration but with only top 50 its scarier D:
Oh and I saw my favorite song title in the entry list but barely able to recognize the song with the entry D: oh well x)
She got sick just as her exam ended and now cant record D: Piyooooo you have to get better before the limit D: Hoped for enough entry for Top100 i thought maybe i could through registration but with only top 50 its scarier D:
Oh and I saw my favorite song title in the entry list but barely able to recognize the song with the entry D: oh well x)
Probably just bad sound management. Doubt they disqualify screaming metal like sort some sort of discrimination.[Hiiro Sakaki] wrote: 1zsy
I feel the discrimination against screams :^)
Was fun to do though, good luck to everyone es Judges, I hate you >.> Jk don't kill me ;w;
Btw am I disqualified because I broke a rule or I just don't because my entry was not good enough?
Now I think about it, what are the ing participants going to do about the ROCK/METAL songs in stage 4... I'm planning to do OP 2 from Death Note if I even get that far. I'm a bit worried hah.
These are evaluations, whoever es, es registrations.
I can still open it in the browser so no worries, converting it to mp3 is a 5 sec job if anything.Lacrimae wrote: 3y4cm
excuse my breathing
SHIT I SUBMITTED MY FILE IN .M4A FUCK MY LFIE kms oh well
I highly doubt we can even judge that.[Hiiro Sakaki] wrote: 1zsy
I feel the discrimination against screams :^)
Was fun to do though, good luck to everyone es Judges, I hate you >.> Jk don't kill me ;w;
Btw am I disqualified because I broke a rule or I just don't because my entry was not good enough?
Oh I never thought of it seriously, was just kidding :^)xSynchronize wrote: 104d4z
Probably just bad sound management. Doubt they disqualify screaming metal like sort some sort of discrimination.
Well too bad, I hope at least you kinda enjoy it c: S A V A G EFlanster wrote: 2k4e1s
I highly doubt we can even judge that.
Well thanks to the contest I discovered I could sing those. Inb4 cover of the whole 漢's undead corporation albumFlanster wrote: 2k4e1s
I did actually, you were pretty good at it B)
Well I guess it'll be more about clean rock/metal such as One Ok Rock, or anime rock (LiSA, Babymetal, or equivalent). Metal clean song would go to the thrash metal, and some post-hardcore/metalcore songsxSynchronize wrote: 104d4z
Now I think about it, what are the ing participants going to do about the ROCK/METAL songs in stage 4... I'm planning to do OP 2 from Death Note if I even get that far. I'm a bit worried hah.
EDIT : Ty Flan
since more people are voting i'm just going to throw in my input here.
the poll question is specifically "which is more convenient?" not "which is best?". obviously more convenient would be to just pick one of the three finalists, because it's quick, easy, and you only have to pick the one you think is the best.
rating on a scale of 1-10 is harder and will take more time and effort for people (and i assume it would make people actually listen to all 3), meaning less votes. the votes you do get might have more meaning, but to be honest rating three entries on a scale of 1-10 if they're all really good will just result in a lot of high ratings and not a lot of difference (or troll 0 ratings which are even worse).
maybe ranking the three entries as 1st 2nd 3rd would be a good balance if the first option wins.
the poll question is specifically "which is more convenient?" not "which is best?". obviously more convenient would be to just pick one of the three finalists, because it's quick, easy, and you only have to pick the one you think is the best.
rating on a scale of 1-10 is harder and will take more time and effort for people (and i assume it would make people actually listen to all 3), meaning less votes. the votes you do get might have more meaning, but to be honest rating three entries on a scale of 1-10 if they're all really good will just result in a lot of high ratings and not a lot of difference (or troll 0 ratings which are even worse).
maybe ranking the three entries as 1st 2nd 3rd would be a good balance if the first option wins.
I expected that tbh. Just wondering if Sharlo/yealina will take part.tHampton wrote: 4h501g
I got mine in outside the 24 hour procrastination window, so that's something at least
E: Just checked the google doc, OzzyOzrock wins
Also I'm pleased to announce we hit 100 entries that have ed so far, that will guarantee a scenario of Top 75/100.
I'm sad Piyo wont be participating D: Q-Q
First she makes me participate and then she get sick and cant enter with me D:
Well I need to get far for her now! x)
Should prolly start looking for another song i wanna sing if i can this x) But every song i wanna sing i can't D: Oh well.. (Maybe i should stop trying to sing IA songs too x) ) And so many amazing entry im not even sure I'll this D: But now i need to cuz i have to be good for Piyo!
First she makes me participate and then she get sick and cant enter with me D:
Well I need to get far for her now! x)
Should prolly start looking for another song i wanna sing if i can this x) But every song i wanna sing i can't D: Oh well.. (Maybe i should stop trying to sing IA songs too x) ) And so many amazing entry im not even sure I'll this D: But now i need to cuz i have to be good for Piyo!
really excited to participate with my boy IGNITE
hopefully we weren't too late in submission, i literally stayed up all night to finish this lol......
fingers crossed it was worth it, submitted via the form but listen and let us know what YOU THINK, hopefully something a little different
https://soundcloud.com/-13159710/os ... the-garden
im the growly one and he's the not growly one
hopefully we weren't too late in submission, i literally stayed up all night to finish this lol......
fingers crossed it was worth it, submitted via the form but listen and let us know what YOU THINK, hopefully something a little different
https://soundcloud.com/-13159710/os ... the-garden
im the growly one and he's the not growly one
https://countingdownto.com/countdown/os ... down-clockEndaris wrote: 6j5f7
Generally all official times are UTC but see what Flanster just posted 2h ago here and on twitter.
Also 1st July isn't the last day you have to submit, it's the day you technically can't submit anymore. (starting post states "UNTIL 1st July" so it is not included)
UTC +0
So you do have until 12:00 am on July 2nd to enter, according to the timer... But the front page says UNTIL July 1st...
I'm kidding, of course. I'll try to finish up my entry by tonight. And thank you both! I edited my original post before I saw anyone had replied, which was a bad move on my part. Now this all might seem a bit confusing... My apologies!
I'm kidding, of course. I'll try to finish up my entry by tonight. And thank you both! I edited my original post before I saw anyone had replied, which was a bad move on my part. Now this all might seem a bit confusing... My apologies!