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Cuts are like, when you are singing a song and you kinda screw up a sentence mid-way, so you decide to edit the messed up part out and sing from there again and edit the new sung sentence in using software.NekoVirus138 wrote: r524f
um actually , when i saw "edited cuts" are disqualified
i am actually kinda ...lost- what does that meant?
edited cuts i mean
Or simply you want to perfect the song and you just make a cut for every sentence of the song.
xSynchronize wrote: 104d4z
Cuts are like, when you are singing a song and you kinda screw up a sentence mid-way, so you decide to edit the messed up part out and sing from there again and edit the new sung sentence in using software.
Or simply you want to perfect the song and you just make a cut for every sentence of the song.
oh!!! thank you thank you!!!
so we are only allowed to sing one shot?
CristopherDLC wrote: 3c3k1a
I just had a dream: my entry got disqualified. I'm so scared now.
that is scary ___(:D
Yep, do it all in one go.NekoVirus138 wrote: r524f
oh!!! thank you thank you!!!xSynchronize wrote: 104d4z
Cuts are like, when you are singing a song and you kinda screw up a sentence mid-way, so you decide to edit the messed up part out and sing from there again and edit the new sung sentence in using software.
Or simply you want to perfect the song and you just make a cut for every sentence of the song.
so we are only allowed to sing one shot?
If you mess up, you can always just restart recording. Cuz You still have 10080 minutes left.
maybe submitting on second cause they don't want to show their voice?Flanster wrote: 2k4e1s
We seem to have a couple of entries from s ed 2-3 weeks ago with no play data, I'm not considering on letting them take part for obvious reasons.
EDIT: I'll instate an activity rule next year
Checking profiles along with entries provided.
if so then what's even the point in entering? (not to mention would be multiacc)
Although I didn't get DQ'd, I really don't understand why cutting is against the rules. Anyone who is decent at mixing can do proper cuts that sound continuous. Also I don't consider it even against the original rules?
Also
I just think these DQs are silly, and the rules are not very clear at all.
vocal layering/harmonies/reverbs/autotune/effects/other mixing fx are not allowedNot sure if cutting was supposed to fit under here, but I don't consider it mixing fx.
Also
Submissions can be mixed down if an instrumental exists.My submission doesn't contain an instrumental mixed in. Nor do some others that have been accepted. But either way it wouldn't be considered breaking the rules because it doesn't specify that it isn't allowed.
I just think these DQs are silly, and the rules are not very clear at all.
it's not considered breaking the rules if you don't have an instrumental to back up your vocals with, it's not mandatoryHoboEater wrote: 3f5z1m
Submissions can be mixed down if an instrumental exists.My submission doesn't contain an instrumental mixed in. Nor do some others that have been accepted. But either way it wouldn't be considered breaking the rules because it doesn't specify that it isn't allowed.
Although I tend to agree with you (Even if I did my entry in one shot), I think the goal is not to "produce" a cover, but it's to represent an "audition" for an idol casting, so you can have as much training as you want within an given time, but while you're "on scene" you can't go like "I want to remake this part only". Just my thoughts about this rule. But yeah, if it was clear, it would be better.HoboEater wrote: 3f5z1m
Although I didn't get DQ'd, I really don't understand why cutting is against the rules. Anyone who is decent at mixing can do proper cuts that sound continuous. Also I don't consider it even against the original rules?
Also Flan, if there's no instrumental version, can we just record ourselves over the original audio while being careful at being (way) louder than the original vocals, instead of giving the raw recording?
Wait so if an instrumental exists I have to use it? The way you phrased it is kinda confusing. The point is that the guideline is useless because I consider it more of a suggestion, not a rule. I feel like it implies that you can't mix it if an instrumental doesn't exist, but it doesn't specify that.
Instrumental existing -> Choose between mixing or not, both are allowedHoboEater wrote: 3f5z1m
Wait so if an instrumental exists I have to use it? The way you phrased it is kinda confusing. The point is that the guideline is useless because I consider it more of a suggestion, not a rule. I feel like it implies that you can't mix it if an instrumental doesn't exist, but it doesn't specify that.
I kinda agree with what you're trying to say. But like I said, its SUPER EASY to properly cut it so it sounds continuous. There's no reason to enforce that rule when literally anyone can cut with no one realizing. And to prove this, I actually mixed someone's vocals that got a . Her voice was off sync (because it was cut) so I cut it apart and synced it with the bgm.[Hiiro Sakaki] wrote: 1zsy
Although I tend to agree with you (Even if I did my entry in one shot), I think the goal is not to "produce" a cover, but it's to represent an "audition" for an idol casting, so you can have as much training as you want within an given time, but while you're "on scene" you can't go like "I want to remake this part only". Just my thoughts about this rule. But yeah, if it was clear, it would be better.
You don't have to use an instrumental. But you can use one if you want.
Cutting your entry from multiple recordings is not allowed because it affects the performance. If you can't do it well in one take you're effectively gaining a positive effect from mixing your takes into one file and that's just the same as any other kind of mixing.
Hiiro Sakaki also gave some good points.
The question was already asked before and got a clear answer.
/edit: If it features the original singer then HOW is it an instrumental? Instrumental = instruments and no voice. wiki-link
Cutting your entry from multiple recordings is not allowed because it affects the performance. If you can't do it well in one take you're effectively gaining a positive effect from mixing your takes into one file and that's just the same as any other kind of mixing.
Hiiro Sakaki also gave some good points.
The question was already asked before and got a clear answer.
/edit: If it features the original singer then HOW is it an instrumental? Instrumental = instruments and no voice. wiki-link
It's so easy that Judges spotted people cutting :^) Irony aside, well, good for you if you can cut clean enough to be continuous, but I still see it as a live audition, so I don't cut (Also I don't know how to properly xD)HoboEater wrote: 3f5z1m
I kinda agree with what you're trying to say. But like I said, its SUPER EASY to properly cut it so it sounds continuous. There's no reason to enforce that rule when literally anyone can cut with no one realizing. And to prove this, I actually mixed someone's vocals that got a . Her voice was off sync (because it was cut) so I cut it apart and synced it with the bgm.
But its not stated in the rules? That's a huge problem if people are being DQ'd for breaking rules that aren't stated in the OP. Cutting is not a mixing effect imo. Its just attaching audio clips together.Endaris wrote: 6j5f7
You don't have to use an instrumental. But you can use one if you want.
Cutting your entry from multiple recordings is not allowed because it affects the performance. If you can't do it well in one take you're effectively gaining a positive effect from mixing your takes into one file and that's just the same as any other kind of mixing.
Hiiro Sakaki also gave some good points.
The question was already asked before and got a clear answer.
/edit: If it features the original singer then HOW is it an instrumental? Instrumental = instruments and no voice. wiki-link
Yes. I won't say who, but I have more than enough evidence that its cut since I did it myself. The point is that I think cutting is a stupid rule and can't be enforced unless it super obvious.Aomi wrote: 2q6w66
in here?HoboEater wrote: 3f5z1m
I actually mixed someone's vocals that got a .
if so, you do realize you just basically disqualified them lmao
Audacity provides functions that are called "Vocal Remover" or "Vocal Reduction and Isolation"
No clue how well it works but I guess you could try to get a pseudo-instrumental with those.
Also I think the most important part is that your voice is the clearly dominant part of the entry even if the background may have vocals too.
No clue how well it works but I guess you could try to get a pseudo-instrumental with those.
Also I think the most important part is that your voice is the clearly dominant part of the entry even if the background may have vocals too.
Well didn't know that thanks a lot! And yeah, of course, I will be careful of putting myself way louder than the left vocals.Endaris wrote: 6j5f7
Audacity provides functions that are called "Vocal Remover" or "Vocal Reduction and Isolation"
No clue how well it works but I guess you could try to get a pseudo-instrumental with those.
Also I think the most important part is that your voice is the clearly dominant part of the entry even if the background may have vocals too.
Thanks for the answer Endaris!
No its literally impossible to remove vocals from a song unless you have the original files with the tracks separated. When its compressed to an mp3, the tracks cannot be separated.Endaris wrote: 6j5f7
Audacity provides functions that are called "Vocal Remover" or "Vocal Reduction and Isolation"
No clue how well it works but I guess you could try to get a pseudo-instrumental with those.
Also I think the most important part is that your voice is the clearly dominant part of the entry even if the background may have vocals too.
HoboEater wrote: 3f5z1m
No its literally impossible to remove vocals from a song unless you have the original files with the tracks separated. When its compressed to an mp3, the tracks cannot be separated.
That's the whole point of audacity filtering vocals' frequencies so it makes two different tracks?
The definition of mixing is attaching tracks together. Like in the guidelines state, you can mix your vocals and the instrumentals. The rules state that mixing FX are not allowed. Let me take back my previous statement. CUTTING IS NOT A MIXING EFFECT.Endaris wrote: 6j5f7
"imo"HoboEater wrote: 3f5z1m
Cutting is not a mixing effect imo. Its just attaching audio clips together.
It's opinionated.
It creates a result that you couldn't achieve without using audio-editing. It can be considered mixing.
Yes it can find certain frequencies the vocals are using but it destroys the quality of the track.[Hiiro Sakaki] wrote: 1zsy
HoboEater wrote: 3f5z1m
No its literally impossible to remove vocals from a song unless you have the original files with the tracks separated. When its compressed to an mp3, the tracks cannot be separated.
That's the whole point of audacity filtering vocals' frequencies so it makes two different tracks?
So I fought back a little on the key change debate because that's editing the instrumental, not the vocal. But putting together different pieces of a vocal is essentially editing your performance and not giving a true representation (the term for this is "comping," by the way, which is a step people take when mixing a song).
You have the opportunity to do as many takes as you want in this competition, just pick the best one of those. If you can't give a good performance in a single take with a whole month to prepare and re-record, honestly you probably don't deserve to move on anyway. *Prepares for backlash*
You have the opportunity to do as many takes as you want in this competition, just pick the best one of those. If you can't give a good performance in a single take with a whole month to prepare and re-record, honestly you probably don't deserve to move on anyway. *Prepares for backlash*
yes it's still going. they're DQing the entries that broke the rules (e.g. no vocal cuts, etc.)Emma55525 wrote: z5w3
w8, I'm kinda puzzled. So it's June 24th but the first stage is already over? Like we should start recording 2nd stage entries already? Or it's still going, you're just disqualifing entries that broke rules? .w.
was about to submit my entry but it has vocal cuts so i'm gonna redo it
Lacrimae wrote: 3y4cm
white ones are submitted entries, waiting for reviewZeva[FL] wrote: 6w6c26
I just come back to this post, and read through it,
can i ask a question?
The red means DQ
Green means
what about the white? or the grey? i get the yellow as questionable entry
grey ones are entries by judges
So the review is not done yet? Okay then 😭
My entry has not been reviewed
Yes, its not an effect but its still mixing. Apparently I need to reword it to be more clear.HoboEater wrote: 3f5z1m
Not sure if cutting was supposed to fit under here, but I don't consider it mixing fx.
Good for you.HoboEater wrote: 3f5z1m
Yes. I won't say who, but I have more than enough evidence that its cut since I did it myself. The point is that I think cutting is a stupid rule and can't be enforced unless it super obvious.
We enforce it if its obvious as you can see, if its seamless, good for them.
thistHampton wrote: 4h501g
So I fought back a little on the key change debate because that's editing the instrumental, not the vocal. But putting together different pieces of a vocal is essentially editing your performance and not giving a true representation (the term for this is "comping," by the way, which is a step people take when mixing a song).
You have the opportunity to do as many takes as you want in this competition, just pick the best one of those. If you can't give a good performance in a single take with a whole month to prepare and re-record, honestly you probably don't deserve to move on anyway. *Prepares for backlash*
tHampton wrote: 4h501g
So I fought back a little on the key change debate because that's editing the instrumental, not the vocal. But putting together different pieces of a vocal is essentially editing your performance and not giving a true representation (the term for this is "comping," by the way, which is a step people take when mixing a song).
You have the opportunity to do as many takes as you want in this competition, just pick the best one of those. If you can't give a good performance in a single take with a whole month to prepare and re-record, honestly you probably don't deserve to move on anyway. *Prepares for backlash*
preach
Well I see the original rules were now edited. So lets get this clear.
ALL of the DQs (and excluding troll/404 submissions) are made up of edited cuts.
I think its pretty clear that the original rules were shit if every single DQ was breaking the exact same rule.
Maybe there's a good reason why people use cuts? You might argue that oh why can't you do it in a single take or you have a whole month to prepare.
Doing a single take is way harder than you think, especially if the song is 3 minutes or longer. You screw up once and you have to listen to the whole thing again so it doesn't count as being cut. That's just stupid. This isn't some live audition; its perfectly reasonable to use cuts to save time and give the best pieces of your vocal performance.
It's so stupid to see entries like this https://soundcloud.com/ikkoe/once-upon- ... i-applella get DQ'd because of cutting.
ALL of the DQs (and excluding troll/404 submissions) are made up of edited cuts.
I think its pretty clear that the original rules were shit if every single DQ was breaking the exact same rule.
Maybe there's a good reason why people use cuts? You might argue that oh why can't you do it in a single take or you have a whole month to prepare.
Doing a single take is way harder than you think, especially if the song is 3 minutes or longer. You screw up once and you have to listen to the whole thing again so it doesn't count as being cut. That's just stupid. This isn't some live audition; its perfectly reasonable to use cuts to save time and give the best pieces of your vocal performance.
It's so stupid to see entries like this https://soundcloud.com/ikkoe/once-upon- ... i-applella get DQ'd because of cutting.
From what I've read, the entries can be rejudged. And the judging has already been changed literally an hour ago. The rules were updated to "mixing fx is not allowed" to "track mixing is not allowed". These are completely different. Not letting cut entries is much more unfair. It works both ways.Emma55525 wrote: z5w3
I don't like arguing, but just saw your posts and I think like... yes, it's not live auditions but changing judging now and letting cutted entries isn't kinda unfair with people who made effort to record in one sitting?
Yet I there were several times someone asked in topic if it has to be recorded in one sitting so everyone should be aware of that. As you said - recording in one sitting is way harder but most people did it, tho they probably wanted to do cuts many times. If you were one of those people, wouldn't you feel like you lost your time? Being unaware of rules doen't make you allowed to break them and breaking rules is to be punished. Fighting for changing rules now is way too unfair.HoboEater wrote: 3f5z1m
From what I've read, the entries can be rejudged. And the judging has already been changed literally an hour ago. The rules were updated to "mixing fx is not allowed" to "track mixing is not allowed". These are completely different. Not letting cut entries is much more unfair. It works both ways.
Maybe it was mentioned somewhere, but that's ridiculous because it wasn't mentioned in the original rules. You don't bury extra rules in the middle of a thread. Anyways from what I've seen so far, no one has been disqualified for not breaking the rules in a single take. I'm sorry to all those who spent lots of time doing a single take, but trust me, the feeling of being DQ'd for not breaking rules is a much worse feeling.Emma55525 wrote: z5w3
Yet I there were several times someone asked in topic if it has to be recorded in one sitting so everyone should be aware of that. As you said - recording in one sitting is way harder but most people did it, tho they probably wanted to do cuts many times. If you were one of those people, wouldn't you feel like you lost your time? Being unaware of rules doen't make you allowed to break them and breaking rules is to be punished. Fighting for changing rules now is way too unfair.HoboEater wrote: 3f5z1m
From what I've read, the entries can be rejudged. And the judging has already been changed literally an hour ago. The rules were updated to "mixing fx is not allowed" to "track mixing is not allowed". These are completely different. Not letting cut entries is much more unfair. It works both ways.
^thisFlanster wrote: 2k4e1s
This was never buried. Mixing was never allowed in osu!idol (excluding finals). Cutting falls under it.
I'm not here to argue, so I will not. I apologise if the rule didn't give the proper information.
Also going to add, if your first entry got disqualified, please do not resubmit the old one unedited or submit a new entry.
The whole point I guess is to make it like a live audition... Idols get selected in live auditions, where only a single "one shot" performance matters, not a whole work of "producing"Emma55525 wrote: z5w3
I don't like arguing, but just saw your posts and I think like... yes, it's not live auditions but changing judging now and letting cutted entries isn't kinda unfair with people who made effort to record in one sitting?
Really... You're not here to argue? Should I address my concerns over to peppy?Flanster wrote: 2k4e1s
This was never buried. Mixing was never allowed in osu!idol (excluding finals). Cutting falls under it.
I'm not here to argue, so I will not. I apologise if the rule didn't give the proper information.
Maybe I'm not making my point clear. As I've said the original rules were ambiguous of what mixing fx meant. I think most would think that cutting is not considered a mixing fx. Mixing effects would be directly editing your voice such as changing the pitch or adding reverb effects. And you even edited the rules afterwards to make it clear that track mixing is not allowed. This edit happened after people were already DQ'd. Saying this was never allowed in the previous year either is not a valid point.
The least I propose is rejudging the few that got DQ'd in the registration phase and clarifying it for future rounds.
And for consideration in the future, I still think cutting should be allowed. It's perfectly reasonable for someone to save time by combining their best vocal tracks together instead of doing a one take. If there's a long break in the middle of the song you can't seriously think that we will sit through it a bunch of times if we mess up. Maybe there's a huge pitch change in between a verse and it's awkward to sing well. Maybe the song is really long or has a lot of high notes and we need a break in between.
I'm sure lot more people are doing it than you may think, and the only ones being punished are those with obvious cuts (an entry that I mixed for someone got a ).
Or maybe you think that its unfair that those who know how to mix have an advantage over those who don't? It's literally as easy as making a slideshow in windows movie maker. We are even encouraged to mix in the finals!!! If you don't know how to mix then you're in huge trouble later on.
Sorry for dragging this on.
At this time, please do not submit another entry. Your entry is marked in yellow so it is still under evaluation. Submitting a new entry now could very possibly result in you being disqualified.StaticImages wrote: 6s5q38
Due to my voice not being very clear, as said in the docs, and it blending with the BGM, should i make a new recording..? or just leave it for the judges to decide what to do with the recording that's already been sent in?
No.Jellyblob56 wrote: 6l1u62
Can you do a duet with someone who doesn't have a osu! as long as long as it is for this competition?
Sorry but now you're just nitpicking. I'm sure those who werent very familiar with audio editing have asked someone who could. There hasn't been any problem like this so far. I could even offer my assistance if a problem like this arises.HoboEater wrote: 3f5z1m
Really... You're not here to argue? Should I address my concerns over to peppy?Flanster wrote: 2k4e1s
This was never buried. Mixing was never allowed in osu!idol (excluding finals). Cutting falls under it.
I'm not here to argue, so I will not. I apologise if the rule didn't give the proper information.
Maybe I'm not making my point clear. As I've said the original rules were ambiguous of what mixing fx meant. I think most would think that cutting is not considered a mixing fx. Mixing effects would be directly editing your voice such as changing the pitch or adding reverb effects. And you even edited the rules afterwards to make it clear that track mixing is not allowed. This edit happened after people were already DQ'd. Saying this was never allowed in the previous year either is not a valid point.
The least I propose is rejudging the few that got DQ'd in the registration phase and clarifying it for future rounds.
And for consideration in the future, I still think cutting should be allowed. It's perfectly reasonable for someone to save time by combining their best vocal tracks together instead of doing a one take. If there's a long break in the middle of the song you can't seriously think that we will sit through it a bunch of times if we mess up. Maybe there's a huge pitch change in between a verse and it's awkward to sing well. Maybe the song is really long or has a lot of high notes and we need a break in between.
I'm sure lot more people are doing it than you may think, and the only ones being punished are those with obvious cuts (an entry that I mixed for someone got a ).
Or maybe you think that its unfair that those who know how to mix have an advantage over those who don't? It's literally as easy as making a slideshow in windows movie maker. We are even encouraged to mix in the finals!!! If you don't know how to mix then you're in huge trouble later on.
Sorry for dragging this on.
I've already apologised and have said the rule wasn't clear enough. Cutting was never allowed and it won't be, thats final.
That makes sense, I haven't even thought about it this way, tho it's so easy and it seems so correct >w<[Hiiro Sakaki] wrote: 1zsy
The whole point I guess is to make it like a live audition... Idols get selected in live auditions, where only a single "one shot" performance matters, not a whole work of "producing"
Well, it makes no-cutting rule even more obvious now
Wahhhh only 4 days left and my friend still didnt submit her entry 
She got sick just as her exam ended and now cant record D: Piyooooo you have to get better before the limit D:
Hoped for enough entry for Top100 i thought maybe i could through registration but with only top 50 its scarier D:
Oh and I saw my favorite song title in the entry list but barely able to recognize the song with the entry D: oh well x)
She got sick just as her exam ended and now cant record D: Piyooooo you have to get better before the limit D: Hoped for enough entry for Top100 i thought maybe i could through registration but with only top 50 its scarier D:
Oh and I saw my favorite song title in the entry list but barely able to recognize the song with the entry D: oh well x)
Probably just bad sound management. Doubt they disqualify screaming metal like sort some sort of discrimination.[Hiiro Sakaki] wrote: 1zsy
I feel the discrimination against screams :^)
Was fun to do though, good luck to everyone es Judges, I hate you >.> Jk don't kill me ;w;
Btw am I disqualified because I broke a rule or I just don't because my entry was not good enough?
Now I think about it, what are the ing participants going to do about the ROCK/METAL songs in stage 4... I'm planning to do OP 2 from Death Note if I even get that far. I'm a bit worried hah.
These are evaluations, whoever es, es registrations.
I can still open it in the browser so no worries, converting it to mp3 is a 5 sec job if anything.Lacrimae wrote: 3y4cm
excuse my breathing
SHIT I SUBMITTED MY FILE IN .M4A FUCK MY LFIE kms oh well
I highly doubt we can even judge that.[Hiiro Sakaki] wrote: 1zsy
I feel the discrimination against screams :^)
Was fun to do though, good luck to everyone es Judges, I hate you >.> Jk don't kill me ;w;
Btw am I disqualified because I broke a rule or I just don't because my entry was not good enough?
Oh I never thought of it seriously, was just kidding :^)xSynchronize wrote: 104d4z
Probably just bad sound management. Doubt they disqualify screaming metal like sort some sort of discrimination.
Well too bad, I hope at least you kinda enjoy it c: S A V A G EFlanster wrote: 2k4e1s
I highly doubt we can even judge that.
Well thanks to the contest I discovered I could sing those. Inb4 cover of the whole 漢's undead corporation albumFlanster wrote: 2k4e1s
I did actually, you were pretty good at it B)
Well I guess it'll be more about clean rock/metal such as One Ok Rock, or anime rock (LiSA, Babymetal, or equivalent). Metal clean song would go to the thrash metal, and some post-hardcore/metalcore songsxSynchronize wrote: 104d4z
Now I think about it, what are the ing participants going to do about the ROCK/METAL songs in stage 4... I'm planning to do OP 2 from Death Note if I even get that far. I'm a bit worried hah.
EDIT : Ty Flan
since more people are voting i'm just going to throw in my input here.
the poll question is specifically "which is more convenient?" not "which is best?". obviously more convenient would be to just pick one of the three finalists, because it's quick, easy, and you only have to pick the one you think is the best.
rating on a scale of 1-10 is harder and will take more time and effort for people (and i assume it would make people actually listen to all 3), meaning less votes. the votes you do get might have more meaning, but to be honest rating three entries on a scale of 1-10 if they're all really good will just result in a lot of high ratings and not a lot of difference (or troll 0 ratings which are even worse).
maybe ranking the three entries as 1st 2nd 3rd would be a good balance if the first option wins.
the poll question is specifically "which is more convenient?" not "which is best?". obviously more convenient would be to just pick one of the three finalists, because it's quick, easy, and you only have to pick the one you think is the best.
rating on a scale of 1-10 is harder and will take more time and effort for people (and i assume it would make people actually listen to all 3), meaning less votes. the votes you do get might have more meaning, but to be honest rating three entries on a scale of 1-10 if they're all really good will just result in a lot of high ratings and not a lot of difference (or troll 0 ratings which are even worse).
maybe ranking the three entries as 1st 2nd 3rd would be a good balance if the first option wins.