ClevelandsMyBro wrote: 58np

Amianki wrote: 4f234j

Vote: Yhuan Debeste

this is so out of the blue. any reason?

I actually agree with this vote. Some people dont want to judge by neg roles, but cleveland has most anti-scum neg role. Additionally they were very quick to vote NotRaffi despite the depicate voting situation we have. Voting just because you want to be aggressive with the person is wrong strat from town perspective. You vote to pressure, and there was nothing to pressure with NotRaffi not having a chance to answer before you voted him.

fuck me, I mean to say yhuan has most anti-scum neg role

same pressuring thing goes for ShinRun btw. You two are on my scum list for being so quick to vote. If you know any better, town needs to coordinate votes instead of assuming it's going to be "first come first serve, loosers are slow" type of thing

Yhuan had the worst response to this whole debacle. It was way too overblown.

This game is pretty close to solved, if my reads are correct.

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

I actually agree with this vote. Some people dont want to judge by neg roles, but cleveland has most anti-scum neg role. Additionally they were very quick to vote NotRaffi despite the depicate voting situation we have. Voting just because you want to be aggressive with the person is wrong strat from town perspective. You vote to pressure, and there was nothing to pressure with NotRaffi not having a chance to answer before you voted him.

shit this is a super valid point.

also the fact that yhuan hasnt said anything about this just adds to this whole argument.

ClevelandsMyBro wrote: 58np

also the fact that yhuan hasnt said anything about this just adds to this whole argument.

they havent posted within 24h so they should be prod'd soon and we'll see a post from them then

been pretty tired lately, but i'll keep up.

yhuan does seem like a safe vote, after all they were really quick to jump into voting raffi when raffi was just being dumb for their own good. if raffi is town and yhuan is scum, i must say raffi doing that was really helpful

shin is probably just a bit dumb, yhuan managed to convince him after all. however i am not sure if this could be just two mafias acting together, just to try and help one seem innocent until the end.

thats my opinion on what abraker sees.

i do think mafia acting as of now would be way too risky for them to do and less likely done, it would certainly make more sense if there is less players.

I was caught up in the heat of the moment and rushed it

Well then.

too slow

Vote: Yhuan Debeste

unless this kid is not playing on purpose to mess up his own alignment and/or to have a good laugh, i dont see another possibility he is a townie

Skip prod

Let's plan out the votes before we rush and end the day

@Shin will you willing to vote when the time comes?

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Let's plan out the votes before we rush and end the day

@Shin will you willing to vote when the time comes?

Well
Obviously

So Yhuan just refuse to say anything even tho he’s been prod

Vote Count 2.4

Day 2 will end in 29 hours.

Bruh

goddammit this guy makes me wanna trigger abraker to hammer him.

guess we will have to wait for the replacement, hopefully whoever they are would be willing to do something

Should we wait for replacement before voting him off?

NotRaffi wrote: 171b11

Should we wait for replacement before voting him off?

yes

well something isn't adding up. If he were scum, I'd expect someone to make a decent argument on why we shouldn't be quick to vote him off. Either Yhuan is being thrown under the bus or he isn't scum. Honestly both are equally likely hmmm

Amianki and ClevelandsMyBro are def not scum buddies with him. That much can be inferred. Shin can be ruled out judging by his response here. Penta's response to his prod was rash, but demonstrates no problems with him being voted off. The only person who showed an ounce of hesitation voting him off is NotRaffi, but not in the way that completely suggests he would not vote him off.

So Yhuan rushed to vote Raffi off but Raffi isn’t so keen on voting Yhuan off

Hey, I just don't want to get yelled at because the decision suddenly change later, should i vote now?

NotRaffi wrote: 171b11

Hey, I just don't want to get yelled at because the decision suddenly change later, should i vote now?

no

cause that will end the day. I auto hammer

ShinRun wrote: 4p6j2

So Yhuan rushed to vote Raffi off but Raffi isn’t so keen on voting Yhuan off

yea I guess that confirms Yhuan and Raffi scum is not likely

Honestly all this shows that Yhuan is more likely an incompetent townie like NotRaffi rather than scum

Amianki wrote: 4f234j

This game is pretty close to solved, if my reads are correct.

give me your reads

Scum are within Yhuan Debeste, ShinRun, and ClevelandsMyBro.

I have at least a moderate level townread on everybody else at this point.

i honestly think i made everyone suspicious of me by voting early lol. got way too ahead of myself yesterday.

still waiting.

also, yea i agree that my words were rash. i think its kinda dum for me to be like that

My reads:

NotRaffi - town
Yhuan - town
ShinRun - town
ClevelandsMyBro - town
pentaqola - town
Amianki - scum
ClevelandsMyBro - scum

Why? I have least info on interactions for penta and amianki. Let's go over the details.

Yhuan: Everybody was ready to vote Yhuan out, and not an inch of hesitation given. That's a red flag telling me somethings wrong. Yhuan is town.

ShinRun: His brains are so chock full of path points he is ready to vote any bandwagon. That's dumb but ain't scum.

NotRaffi: The role claim was done with a single brain cell. For more than one scum to agree such a plan is a good idea is ludicrous.

Penta: community/forums/posts/8344370 - "in fact, i would rather go with what shin said. vote out bambi, and if he ends up town then vote me out if you really want to." Scum would know bambi is town, hence never put a wager on that.

That leaves with Amianki and ClevelandsMyBro
Honestly, I am more comfortable voting out Cleveland first

vote: ClevelandsMyBro

lol I forgot to change penta -> Cleveland

had 3 people put down as scum then went back to read through things more carefully and found that post by penta, which changed my scum read on penta

why do you think i am scum abraker?

ClevelandsMyBro wrote: 58np

why do you think i am scum abraker?

process of elimination

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

lol I forgot to change penta -> Cleveland

had 3 people put down as scum then went back to read through things more carefully and found that post by penta, which changed my scum read on penta

im guessing you had me in the list before knowing that post because of how i expressed what i thought of yhuan. i'd say that is heavily understandable

in fact i thought that people are going to go for me next, considering bambi turned out to be town and im fine with having the toll of being voted off. so me getting this far without anyone voting for me yet is surprising.

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

ClevelandsMyBro wrote: 58np

why do you think i am scum abraker?

process of elimination

so what im getting here is you dont have much information ing if i am a town?

ClevelandsMyBro wrote: 58np

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

ClevelandsMyBro wrote: 58np

why do you think i am scum abraker?

process of elimination

so what im getting here is you dont have much information ing if i am a town?

more like I have more information ing everyone is else town than you and Amianki being town

you know what im just gonna drop a big fat fact bomb.

so lets start at the begining of D-2. i said i remove my neg role. i did remove it. i said both of the roles i was given was useless with my current neg role. while yes one of them is useless due to my neg role, the other one was useless in general.

one of the role was informed. it pretty much contributes nothing to the game.
second role is a 2-shots faith healer. this is the reason i chose to remove my neg role. with 50% chance of success + my then neg role, it would be an absolute miracle for it to work on someone last night.

this also corelate to why i decided to early vote yhuan. as i said here, i got to ahead of myself. i wanted to just grab that path point and the role. my mind was thinkiing if i were to get the points and use it on faith healer, then i would guaranteed be a town. as yhuan was pretty much backed up on the corner, i voted knowing that yhuan would definitely be voted out. it did not happen, and now im stuck in my current position.

and btw, yes i did try to bandwagon amianki's vote.

@igorsprite can I replace Yhuan even tho I died earlier in the game ?

If yes then you've found a replacement

that would be funny if you actually could replace someone despite being eliminated. its almost like reviving in a new form

still, would be neat if yes

Don't you already know who is scum and who isn't?

NotRaffi wrote: 171b11

Don't you already know who is scum and who isn't?

no

I only know my role path because I asked igor to show it to me but I'm dead anyway so this won't be useful

what happened to the indian guy?

bambinex wrote: 4c1o3r

@igorsprite can I replace Yhuan even tho I died earlier in the game ?

Vote Count 2.5
Day 2 extended by 24 hours.

Day 2 will end in 53 hours.

Ok so I am a townie which is pretty cool

also @abraker what is quitter I don't understand the pont of the role lmao

I haven't looked too much into the posts for now, I'll read them and then I'll try to do something coherent unlike I did in D1

bambinex wrote: 4c1o3r

also @abraker what is quitter I don't understand the pont of the role lmao

A quitter role means you can literally declare you quit in middle of game, same as being modkilled

discussion seems to have died down

i'm trying to look for what can be discussed here but i have no idea what could we discuss about

Basically everyone is accusing everyone right?

I put in my vote

So day is gonna end soon

So what we doing

Vote Count 2.6

Day 2 will end in 21 hours.

ShinRun wrote: 4p6j2

So day is gonna end soon

So what we doing

voting cleveland out

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

ShinRun wrote: 4p6j2

So day is gonna end soon

So what we doing

voting cleveland out

Uhh can you explain a bit more

I’m not against the idea but I need more idea

sounds like im counting the hours. also im going to be away for the rest of the day due to personal reasons.

all im gonna say is amianki is scum. they have not been very active ever. they came out of nowhere and vote seemingly out of the blue. if you lot ended up voting me out today, just get ready to vote them out tomorrow because by tomorrow you'll find that i'm town. im sorry if this sounds kinda bs to you, im telling you the truth.

Unvote: Yhuan Debeste

Vote: Amianki

I'm just gonna do the hammer vote because im undecicive

Vote Count 2.7

Day 2 will end in 4 hours.

I want to vote someone out but I don’t even think there is anyone else here to hammer or smth

Vote Count 2.FINAL

Day 2 has ended without an elimination.

No one earned Path Points.

Night 2 Begins

abraker Town Hammerer 1-Shot Tracker has died Night 2

Day 3 Begins

Vote Count 3.0

Day 3 will end on November 4th at 1:00pm UTC-3

Morning lads

Hmmm so abraker died n2

Thing just got tricky

So based on Abraker’s read, Cleveland and amianki is most likely to be scum

Cleveland is saying Amianki is scum which is understandable

So do you guys wanna continue where we left off or should we look into other people

Yea sure

What tf does “yea sure” mean

My reads have not changed

Has there really been no posts since my last one?

Vote: Bambinex

nope

god i have no more hope from here on out

anyone wanna say anything? maybe give their reads and why?

the game goes slow because all of the most Influential people died

Vote Count 3.1

Day 3 will end in 48 hours

Literally everyone useful died

probably better to end it

sorry, I had too much shit going on real life during the more influential parts of the game and now I have zero motivation to step up and force things forward

lets just end the game. shin is gone. penta and bambi is idk. the only really active person on the forums and are still alive are me and raffi.

wait so whos scum

ClevelandsMyBro wrote: 58np

wait so whos scum

shin and amianki

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1LCfyNlW2vA2Us_nxVVGzKFyVJjZZ1ftbIgmaIBk9GjQ

I ran into too many problems where it would conflict with my wincon to provide too much and it killed my momentum.

It was fundamentally correct to hunt for town over scum in this setup and just PoE the game out with predominately town getting the PRs.

kinda sad to see this subforum die a second time.

What were all the full roles?

Forgot to mention too, my negative was that if ShinRun dies, I lose my non-factional roles.