Dawnsday wrote: 366838

You and Zekks seemed to speak to eachother a lot, you were asking Zekks for his thoughts about John (you've explained this to be solely down to online s but I'm still iffy.)

I think there are more interaction between me and Foxtrot now. What do you think about that?

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

it's not like we can't unvote, so why would you say that? is zekks getting too many votes for your liking?

As abraker and Hika scum-read Zekks also, I would like you guys to see other players as I don't think Zekks is scum for now. Also, you can go unvote and vote him back. It's not about the votes, but everyone seems too focused on Zekks.

Somehow, I'm pretty sure there is no point in pressuring or waiting Zekks. But if you want to stick your vote, I don't mind also.

Lincolm wrote: 2x5543

Dawnsday wrote: 366838

You and Zekks seemed to speak to eachother a lot, you were asking Zekks for his thoughts about John (you've explained this to be solely down to online s but I'm still iffy.)

I think there are more interaction between me and Foxtrot now. What do you think about that?

Incomparable. This is currently an open discussion, not a simple "hey X what do you think about Y" out of the blue (where X is currently most people's top scumread). You x Foxtrot interaction is limited to discussion, not the half-buddying I witnessed, again. I'm not claiming it to be scum-scum buddying. Was just an observation I made when rereading the thread.

Lincolm wrote: 2x5543

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

it's not like we can't unvote, so why would you say that? is zekks getting too many votes for your liking?

As abraker and Hika scum-read Zekks also, I would like you guys to see other players as I don't think Zekks is scum for now. Also, you can go unvote and vote him back. It's not about the votes, but everyone seems too focused on Zekks.

Somehow, I'm pretty sure there is no point in pressuring or waiting Zekks. But if you want to stick your vote, I don't mind also.

Explain? When asked to open up on certain things he simply says "I'm too lazy" and literally applies a logical fallacy (Appeals to emotion in his statement that if we lynch him we'll give mafia a higher probability.)

I'm not saying he's guaranteed scum but he should 100% be setting off some alarms in your head right about now.

I'm willing to stand my ground on voting an anti town but anti town > scum so we need to get off zekks a bit.

o yea btw been busy. School starting and work so I usually will have more time to leave content around 19:00 EST

Is this top page?

Here is the unofficial vote count for top page

Unofficial Vote Count 
 [ - Zekks - ]  (L-2)     : rEdo, Foxtrot, Dawnsday
Hika            (L-3)     : Zexion, Lincolm
rEdo            (L-4)     : [ - Zekks - ]
Lincolm         (L-4)     : johnmedina999
Not Voting                : abraker, Hika

==

Dawnsday wrote: 366838

Explain? When asked to open up on certain things he simply says "I'm too lazy" and literally applies a logical fallacy (Appeals to emotion in his statement that if we lynch him we'll give mafia a higher probability.)

I'm not saying he's guaranteed scum but he should 100% be setting off some alarms in your head right about now.

As I said before, his post when he stated "idc" is already weird for me. It turned on my scum-radar, but I considered many scenarios as it was RVS also.
I think he is scummy because of fence-sitting, but it is just the way he plays this mafia game right now, either he is trolling or he has no idea what's going on. I don't see how this is coming from confidence, yet careless scum.

Hika wrote: 2p2929

I'm willing to stand my ground on voting an anti town but anti town > scum so we need to get off zekks a bit.

Not fully disagree about this, but I rather push him to give a content or something.

Lincolm wrote: 2x5543

So any reason why "fuck RVS"?

... I will pretend this question was not asked

Lincolm wrote: 2x5543

What is the abbreviation BS in here? Is it bullshit? I thought you like to over-analyzed everything. Can you explain more about your read on Foxtrot?

He just latched on to you since you started being radioactive. Pointing out the bullshit stuff such as asking needless question like "So any reason why 'fuck RVS'?" is what he did. Other than that, if you can't figure out whether I think town on scum from what I wrote, then I can't figure either.

I agree with you linc.

There's no point in letting Zekks go off easy so pressure him harder to see what he's all about.
@Zekks: what da fuck u think you doing playing the way you're playing

@abraker: why do u think rvs is over? I agree with ya but I'd like to see what you're saying

Lincolm wrote: 2x5543

As abraker and Hika scum-read Zekks also, I would like you guys to see other players as I don't think Zekks is scum for now. Also, you can go unvote and vote him back. It's not about the votes, but everyone seems too focused on Zekks.

You don't think he's scum, and yet you call him scummy. You're contradicting yourself there.

I think he is scummy because of fence-sitting, but it is just the way he plays this mafia game right now, either he is trolling or he has no idea what's going on. I don't see how this is coming from confidence, yet careless scum.

And why should we stop focusing on Zekks if they might be possible scum? Waiting for other players is not a valid reason for it, because even if the other players come by that doesn't mean Zekks is not scum anymore. Everybody has actually posted here, but Zexion and rEdo haven't posted enough for me to get a read on them. Still, doesn't mean I shouldn't focus on Zekks; I got my read.

Again, it seems like Zekks getting votes is bothering you too much.

Also, the fact that Zekks keeps ignoring what we say is also a big redflag.

Lincolm wrote: 2x5543

Not fully disagree about this, but I rather push him to give a content or something.

Last time Zekks got pushed all they said was "go ahead kill me that gives mafia higher chance to win" instead of trying to reason with us. Isn't that kind of a rookie mistake to do when you have a red role? You've been playing this for quite a while, so you should probably know.

jesus I forgot to copy my Last for osu! somewhere to at work I will catch up tomorrow, I don't really have time tonight to do all the stuff.

looking forward to posts from rEdo and Zexion honestly, haven't seen enough to get reads.


Also even if Zekks isn't a redname his posts don't exactly scream "pro-town" to me so I'm still entirely set on getting some info from him, obviously I'm open to let him go and follow other reads if we get any but this is defo the flavor of the day controversy for me.

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

He just latched on to you since you started being radioactive. Pointing out the bullshit stuff such as asking needless question like "So any reason why 'fuck RVS'?" is what he did. Other than that, if you can't figure out whether I think town on scum from what I wrote, then I can't figure either.

It's not bullshit when you did RVS in your previous game. Somehow you changed to "Nah, fuck RVS". It is implying you're trying to changing your play style or you have changed in 6 months.

I did not ask whether he is town or scum for you, but I asked why he is town more clearly, but you did answer this.

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

You don't think he's scum, and yet you call him scummy. You're contradicting yourself there.

I'm not contradicting myself. What am I trying to say is, he might be scum because he is ignoring all questions and doesn't do anything, but in his posts there are a lot of confidence yet carelessness that implying he is not scum. Town can trolling, can fence-sitting, can lurking, can looked scummy by anyone with any reason, but I have concluded that he is most likely (anti)town.

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

And why should we stop focusing on Zekks if they might be possible scum? Waiting for other players is not a valid reason for it, because even if the other players come by that doesn't mean Zekks is not scum anymore. Everybody has actually posted here, but Zexion and rEdo haven't posted enough for me to get a read on them. Still, doesn't mean I shouldn't focus on Zekks; I got my read.

I'm not saying you should stop focusing Zekks. I'm trying to tell that you should consider what if Zekks is town, go back and reread the thread again or maybe bring out new content as we still have 120 hours.

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

Again, it seems like Zekks getting votes is bothering you too much.

Yes, because everyone is (going) too focused on Zekks because of his play, or maybe I'm the one who too focused right now.

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

Last time Zekks got pushed all they said was "go ahead kill me that gives mafia higher chance to win" instead of trying to reason with us. Isn't that kind of a rookie mistake to do when you have a red role? You've been playing this for quite a while, so you should probably know.

Well, in my experience, every mafias were trying to win although it was his first game, like myself. But I can see some people don't like mafia role and said "kill me please" instead "replace me" because I thought about that when got mafia role 2 years ago, yet not confidence and careless.

Sorry, a bit disconnected right now.

So what's the case on Zekks? Besides their bold claim about mafia to fear them which is pretty null right now. In any case, after a statement like that I definitely wouldn't lynch them today.

Hika wrote: 2p2929

I'm willing to stand my ground on voting an anti town but anti town > scum so we need to get off zekks a bit.

oooh what? Pretty sure we win if we go the other way. A player may be anti-town, but still town after all.

Hika wrote: 2p2929

There's no point in letting Zekks go off easy so pressure him harder to see what he's all about.
@Zekks: what da fuck u think you doing playing the way you're playing

Maybe it's just me, but if Zekks really meant what he wrote (and it was not some funny rvs stuff) then there's not much more to explain. I totally agree with the second phrase tho.

Hika wrote: 2p2929

@abraker: why do u think rvs is over? I agree with ya but I'd like to see what you're saying

Looks like a critical reading question, "Why do you think this character you don't care about in some dumb book is doing this thing?"

Hika wrote: 2p2929

p.s. RVS is over imo

That's the only thing I reading regards to thinking rvs is over. Please quote whatever I said that might imply I think rvs is over. Do note it doesn't mean I never implied it, but I do want explicit text to make my life easier.

you: "So what do you think about it?"

me: "Takes too long"

you: "The new flatscreen?"

me: "oh..."

Pretty much me everyday. Now let's be explicit here.

Lincolm wrote: 2x5543

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

He just latched on to you since you started being radioactive. Pointing out the bullshit stuff such as asking needless question like "So any reason why 'fuck RVS'?" is what he did. Other than that, if you can't figure out whether I think town on scum from what I wrote, then I can't figure either.

It's not bullshit when you did RVS in your previous game. Somehow you changed to "Nah, fuck RVS". It is implying you're trying to changing your play style or you have changed in 6 months.

What if I told you that I vote knowing I will likely regret the decision later? I vote when I am able to justify my vote since at least last game. Last time I voted Dawnsday as soon as soon as I had justification to vote, which was his mason crap. This time I am hesitant to vote zekks due to me being wrong about Dawnsday last game. This is why rvs sucks even if you can justify your reasons.

Although it is debatable whether zekks caused rvs to be over. Oh there is the answer to Hika's question, which might or might not be following up on something I previously said. Although I am almost sure it's a follow up on something I said due to "I agree with ya but I'd like to see what you're saying". Will wait for the reply I guess.


To whoever wants my history, here are my first, second, and third games I played. The previous game was my fourth.

https://forums.tuuba.moe/viewtopic.php?id=3
https://forums.tuuba.moe/viewtopic.php?id=137
https://forums.tuuba.moe/viewtopic.php?id=161

Calm down Jesus fuck I thought when you said fuck RVS you were stating it in a way you thought it was over
is okay just calm your nerves

Also Zex, when i said anti town > scum, I meant it as a way like "sure he's anti town to me right now but I'd rather not vote for his lynch when we could be scum hunting"

hope that clears it up.

oh shit I'm so slow I forgot we have possible PRs
Slow your role bros, zekks could be a PR and doing it wrong

Zexion wrote: 11654m

Sorry, a bit disconnected right now.

So what's the case on Zekks? Besides their bold claim about mafia to fear them which is pretty null right now. In any case, after a statement like that I definitely wouldn't lynch them today.

zekks didn't respond properly to Lincolm here

zekks also didn't respond to me here

And a couple dodgy posts by zekks: p/6177776


@Lincolm
Also now that I look at it, why did you ask zekks about John twice here, WHICH YOU JOKED BACK, ACKNOWLEDGING THE ANSWER. Like what the fuck, man? Maybe that's why zekks didn't bother answering that one properly in particular?

Hika wrote: 2p2929

Calm down Jesus fuck I thought when you said fuck RVS you were stating it in a way you thought it was over
is okay just calm your nerves

I try not to be angry, and sorry if it looked like so. Same with the content in this and future messages, pretend thet any "angry" text is emphasis. My tone might get like this due to irl events.

ok im sensitive pls be kind

yea we have a while till we have to decide on a lynch so lets drag it out and start analyzing for real

Back, catching up.

rEdo wrote: p3f2b

[ - Zekks - ] wrote: 4w4v2y

I would reconsider my vote, but I don't know to vote for

I might vote for Foxtrot, since she is trying to pin everyone on Lincolm, but that seems kinda weak, but I'll still hold onto that

Or I can change my vote to Lincolm, because Foxtrot has decent amount of evidence to the fact that Lincolm could be the mafia

What do you mean by decent?

What worries me, is the fact that he ignored my question. That was a try to fish out why is he just parrotting the two most active guys. He is either a newb townie that does not really know what is going on, or scum pretending to be one.

[ - Zekks - ] wrote: 4w4v2y

As long as I'm still alive, no mafia can't stop me

What the hell is this?

[ - Zekks - ] wrote: 4w4v2y

I'm just confused, I'm too lazy to look over things asdf. If I die the mafia will have a higher chance of living, so if you decide to kill me off, good luck!

Until this post I thought Zekks was scum, but now I'm somewhat convinced he's just a townie that doesn't give a darn.

Lincolm and Foxtrot 1v1-ish quarrel makes me think they both are town. Zexion is as null as ever, same goes for Hika. Dawnsy goes with analysis over scumhunting, but that's usual for him. Not sure how to read john yet.

Let's try this way.

Unvote
Vote: abraker

Who's scum and why Zekks?

oh and back to work, I might check the thread in 2-3 hours or so.

rEdo wrote: p3f2b

Until this post I thought Zekks was scum, but now I'm somewhat convinced he's just a townie that doesn't give a darn.

someone understands! no fucks were given today

If you don't give a fuck, why do you even bother playing? If you're town, you might ask for a replacement if you don't want to scumhunt with us. I know this might sound like a neckbeardish thing to say, but we're here to actually play the game, not just chill. A mafia game is somewhat a commitment.

Zekks play is anti town but I think he's just a bit clueless. I'm gonna drop it for now but if we turn up nothing I'm going to go for a policy lynch.

unvote

Will post later

[ - Zekks - ] wrote: 4w4v2y

rEdo wrote: p3f2b

Until this post I thought Zekks was scum, but now I'm somewhat convinced he's just a townie that doesn't give a darn.

someone understands! no fucks were given today

then leave and stop being a troll. or actually start playing the game seriously. i suggest you to look back in the previous threads and try to get a general idea of how it works. hell, this is my first time playing mafia in YEARS and look, i am trying to be a decent player here because i know that mafia can be time consuming, and i certainly don't want to be a waste of time like you're being right now. you're being extremely rude right now to play who actually want to play this game. and even if this is your way to play scum or whatever, it's a dumb one. i can't believe i voted you trying to get a reaction out of you. now i know this is all too pointless. yeah, i sound angry, because you're wasting our time when there could be ACTUAL content going on.

--

I don't think RVS is over, but we're at the brink of it. I can say that Zekks and Lincolm caused a chain of reaction, but there's simply not enough content yet for it to be over since it's established by now that Zekks, is... well...

Hika wrote: 2p2929

oh shit I'm so slow I forgot we have possible PRs
Slow your role bros, zekks could be a PR and doing it wrong

yeah, we do have PRs, but what makes you think Zekks is one and not just vanilla? Just chance?

I still don't get why we should back off from Zekks if he's scum, like Hika and Lincolm are suggesting. Sure, there's not enough content, but does it really matter if there's enough evidence that shows Zekks having higher chances of scum instead of town? I'd like to see more content from Zexion and John, as well

I actually catch a hint of Zekks possibly being PR because of his "lynch me and mafia have a higher chance" post. It just seems that something a noob with a power role would say, could be entirely wrong but it's 100% a possibility in my mind and one that wouldn't shock me if it were to be true.

Also +1 to Foxtrot's point about John and Zexion needing to post more content. It's hard to get reads on people who don't converse

Sorry, I will have busied by school and work + Dota 2 The International this week, but I will search time to post each day.

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

What if I told you that I vote knowing I will likely regret the decision later? I vote when I am able to justify my vote since at least last game. Last time I voted Dawnsday as soon as soon as I had justification to vote, which was his mason crap. This time I am hesitant to vote zekks due to me being wrong about Dawnsday last game. This is why rvs sucks even if you can justify your reasons.

Dully noted.

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

@Lincolm
Also now that I look at it, why did you ask zekks about John twice here and here? You got your "joke" response from from zekks here, WHICH YOU JOKED BACK, ACKNOWLEDGING THE ANSWER. Like what the fuck, man? Maybe that's why zekks didn't bother answering that one properly in particular?

Because I didn't assume he would have the same reason or same respond. As I said before, the first respond I specially consider it because maybe Zekks thought it was RVS stage, so he went " idc e e e e e". Then there was like more 10-15 posts and more contents to discuss so I would really like his opinions about everyone when he was active, but he still go "i go sha la la la la". I asked about John again because Zekks already gave his opinion about me and Foxtrot, the other one who involved was John but he didn't say anything about him, so I asked about John to Zekks again.

I agree I asked too many things without span of time at there, tho. I should wait.

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

yeah, we do have PRs, but what makes you think Zekks is one and not just vanilla? Just chance?

I don't want to discuss this because it achieves nothing except who or what is PR or not. We should do and act as our alignment regardless our power.

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

I still don't get why we should back off from Zekks if he's scum, like Hika and Lincolm are suggesting. Sure, there's not enough content, but does it really matter if there's enough evidence that shows Zekks having higher chances of scum instead of town?

Because if you discuss anything about him, you are going to achieve nothing about him (he won't respond seriously), especially if he is going to flip as town, you're going to hurt town.

I'm not saying we should let him free, tho. Let him go for 72 hours maybe. If you still read him as scum, try to convince us why is he scum again.

He is town for me. He is waaaaaaaay too confidence. I have no idea how to pull information from him, but I hate policy lynch also.

==

Unvote
Vote : abraker because PoE (L-3)

Lincolm wrote: 2x5543

, but I hate policy lynch also.

Why? If he's not commited to reading he's going to hurt town in the long run. It's not FUN to policy lynch rest assured I'd rather the idea was never even conceived but honestly.

I agree we shouldnt straight call it a day here and lynch but it should 100% be an option for us moving forward.

Lincolm wrote: 2x5543

Vote :abraker because PoE

... that's it? Really? Why start the PoE with abraker?

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

Lincolm wrote: 2x5543

Vote :abraker because PoE

... that's it? Really? Why start the PoE with abraker?

Who would you start start with?

who would you rather start with*

Honestly, I don't know. Is PoE any efficient?

There isn't much else to work with right now so I say it's a good option.

Also, I agree with everyone else, if we get nowhere by the end of the mafia day, just lynch Zekks, because there is a 2/9 chance we can be lynching scum, and it's better to lynch someone than not lynch anyone at all.

Well since we can forgive zekks's concerning stupidity, PoE looks sexy as fuck, and I would like to bring my end of the deal, I guess I have no choice either

vote: abraker

johnmedina999 wrote: 3r3a6s

Also, I agree with everyone else, if we get nowhere by the end of the mafia day, just lynch Zekks, because there is a 2/9 chance we can be lynching scum, and it's better to lynch someone than not lynch anyone at all.

That's what I told myself when I lynched dawnsday last game. Now look at me, I'm voting for myself.

Lincolm wrote: 2x5543

I asked about John again because Zekks already gave his opinion about me and Foxtrot, the other one who involved was John but he didn't say anything about him, so I asked about John to Zekks again.

But why John? And why zekks? What were your thoughts between the connection between the two

I want to know your read on everybody here.

Lincolm wrote: 2x5543

because PoE (L-3)

Something that mafia would conveniently bandwagon on without hesitation while giving a non critical reason to.

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Well since we can forgive zekks's concerning stupidity, PoE looks sexy as fuck, and I would like to bring my end of the deal, I guess I have no choice either

self-vote

What do you mean you have no choice? If you're town you would have all the reason in the world to defend yourself from being lynched, because more town = good. The only reason I see you giving up is if you're Mafia, or extremely lazy, and both of those options are anti-town. You're getting suspicious.

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Well since we can forgive zekks's concerning stupidity, PoE looks sexy as fuck, and I would like to bring my end of the deal, I guess I have no choice either

vote: abraker

No, you do have a choice. And that choice is not to off yourself. Are you trying to do this to make yourself more believable?

johnmedina999 wrote: 3r3a6s

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Well since we can forgive zekks's concerning stupidity, PoE looks sexy as fuck, and I would like to bring my end of the deal, I guess I have no choice either

self-vote

What do you mean you have no choice? If you're town you would have all the reason in the world to defend yourself from being lynched, because more town = good. The only reason I see you giving up is if you're Mafia, or extremely lazy, and both of those options are anti-town. You're getting suspicious.

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Well since we can forgive zekks's concerning stupidity, PoE looks sexy as fuck, and I would like to bring my end of the deal, I guess I have no choice either

vote: abraker

No, you do have a choice. And that choice is not to off yourself. Are you trying to do this to make yourself more believable?

Didn't I mention that I would self vote if I couldn't make a decision sometime earlier? Ofc if go back at my vote now, it would raise eyebrows, more so when I am L-1, so I'll let it be.

I have little to no faith in the power of PoE currently, seriously it's day 1.

Also, how and why does selfvoting exist in mafia; I seriously fail to see it's applications in any useful scenario. The last time I saw it used was BBoy last game and he did it to CLAIM he was scum.

Any other time it's used it's just straight up weird. Anyone explain it's use here? (Sorry I'm still learning mafia apparently).

unvote

removing my vote on Zekks because this is a weird gamestate

Dulcet wrote: 6r4n69

yeah, we do have PRs, but what makes you think Zekks is one and not just vanilla? Just chance?

I think Zekks did a general threat to everyone voting him so i say he should tell us his role before we PL him. Seriously

I'm not playing with an anti-town.

Also, self voting strategy shouldn't be mentioned here. Maybe google it cause we're currently in game and dont want mafia doing anything with that information.

abraker ur doing the same thing i dont think is a town move and im not going to vote you because it's dumb

Hika wrote: 2p2929

Also, self voting strategy shouldn't be mentioned here. Maybe google it cause we're currently in game and dont want mafia doing anything with that information.

Aight, ty anyway.

Eh, I'll just say it's a diversion thing. ^

johnmedina999 wrote: 3r3a6s

There isn't much else to work with right now so I say it's a good option.

Also, I agree with everyone else, if we get nowhere by the end of the mafia day, just lynch Zekks, because there is a 2/9 chance we can be lynching scum, and it's better to lynch someone than not lynch anyone at all.

I don't like this.

Posting in between changing game of The International 7

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

Honestly, I don't know. Is PoE any efficient?

No.

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Well since we can forgive zekks's concerning stupidity, PoE looks sexy as fuck, and I would like to bring my end of the deal, I guess I have no choice either

vote: abraker

Like it will achieve something if you're town. Good game, I'm sticking my vote right now. And it is L-2 with your self-vote.

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

But why John? And why zekks? What were your thoughts between the connection between the two

I want to know your read on everybody here.

As I said already, Zekks alarmed my radar with "idc" post so I particularly need information coming out from him.
When we were discussing things, he is posting his read on me and Foxtrot, which I find "meh", so I asked about John because John involved in the discussion.


I will put this outside of my read because basically this is the most triggering my scumread right now and why I review my leaning town read everytime.
So why is being ive bad? In lack of content and lack of interaction between players, especially town vs scum, scums tend to go with the flow what is going on. Letting town vs town happens and jump on wagon with any reasons when the time is appropriate. It most likely come from newbie who doesn't know what to do, but scum also can pull this.

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Something that mafia would conveniently bandwagon on without hesitation while giving a non critical reason to.

So what? No one pressure. No one pushing. Waiting more contents. PoE is less accurate thing to find scum, but is there any accurate method to find scum without power role? Is it wrong to use PoE? Why is L-3 (or maybe you thought it was L-2) a dangerous thing for you? even rEdo (plus someone if you really thought it was L-2) doesn't tell explicitly why did he vote you.

Lincolm wrote: 2x5543

If rEdo didn't vote him, I would still vote abraker because he is more active than Zexion.

voting because activity is something I really don't like. Same with inactivity. Your votes seem to have little basis and just go with the bandwagon.

It is so tempting to vote Lincolm or zekks because they have some questionable material on their plate, but it doesn't guarantee scum.


Lincolm: The only problem is that he bandwagons with no real justification. Just declare a bandwagon, he will be second to hop on it
Foxtrot: all actions look very pro town, but can also be scum with excellent acting.
John: all actions look very pro town, with a hint of newbie spicing. If he is scum, we won't be able to tell before day 2
zekks: all actions look dumb town or idiot scum
Dawnsday: all actions look neutral. Actually his posts remind me of mine
rEdo, Zexion, Hika: null


@John
Your reads?

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Same with inactivity

*Unless it's pushing them to be more active

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Lincolm: The only problem is that he bandwagons with no real justification. Just declare a bandwagon, he will be second to hop on it

Slight correction: He bandwagons with no real justification, and makes it seem like it is a normal thing to do. I get it if you are trying to choke out activity or info, but it doesn't make sense otherwise.

Going to give my reads and throw a few observations of mine into the mix

Foxtrot: As everyone has said, she looks largely townie. I have no reason not to have the same assumption, I'm weary but given what small meta I know this is likely to be a townie.

Lincolm: His 1v1 with Foxtrot earlygame gives me 2 townies trying to pry vibes. Everything he posts to me looks very very pro town agenda and for now he's a slight townread but this is subject to change moving forward

John: Posts strike me as just a new townie (Same as lincolm), I'm also swayed by his reaction to policy lynching (He's a newb but he understands the townie benefits of PL)

Abraker: Largely null but he's trying to help town, Selfvote earlygame gives me a strong townie vibe from him

Null Zone is Zexion, rEdo, Zekks, Hika

Zexion - Inactive.

rEdo - Not enough content to sway me over but he's more realistically nulltown.

Zekks - I felt like making a "Zekks" zone and putting him in it for the rest of the game, we played irc mafia earlier and he seemed competent as a mafia (he actually won rofl.), his mafia strategy largely entailed parroting the most active townies just enough to stay out of suspicion. But IRC is a different beast to forum so I have no idea how reliable any of it is. He stays in null permanently probably.

Hika - Actually one of my strongest "gut" feelings I've had in a mafia game thus far. Everything Hika posts rubs me the wrong way, I'm going to link specific posts eventually (pressed for time here atm) but a lot of what she posts just FEELS SO "LAMIST" to me, I'm willing to accept I'm probably wrong on this one and I'm just being paranoid but it's a read and I have it so that's that. Keeping in null because there's nothing I have beyond my gut.

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

@John
Your reads?

1. I don't know much about Zexion, or Hika, so I cannot say anything for them.
2. I can't say much about redo either, but due to his last post, I would say he's town, but I'm not too sure.
3. Foxtrot is also town to me, her posts analyze all players very well and she pushes people to give info, I don't think that's associated as scum.
4. As abraker pointed out, they both post similarly, very neutral, very analytic. Personally, I don't like this "poker face" style of play because there is really nothing to analyze; abraker played like this last game as well, and he got lynched, and he flipped town, so I don't know about these two.
   abraker, however, with his self-vote, is starting to flip towards the mafia side, because of the reasons previously posted. I will have my eye on you.
5. Zekks is lazy and may be either town or mafia.
6. Lincolm is leaning towards scum, he is very defensive explaining his actions and doesn't really offer

ng else.[/list]

damn I messed up that list

there was an attempt

Dawnsday wrote: 366838

Hika - Actually one of my strongest "gut" feelings I've had in a mafia game thus far. Everything Hika posts rubs me the wrong way, I'm going to link specific posts eventually (pressed for time here atm) but a lot of what she posts just FEELS SO "LAMIST" to me, I'm willing to accept I'm probably wrong on this one and I'm just being paranoid but it's a read and I have it so that's that. Keeping in null because there's nothing I have beyond my gut.

i'll wait for you to explain this
i think i can confirm that anyone who plays mafia with me always feels as if my posts rub them wrong

so link me my posts and i can explain them to you

also i just think it looks bad on lincolm to vote me after he sees a vote already on me, referring to an earlier page

also ill drop my reads tomorrow. im off work and im going out drinking tonight! will stop by for some small chat however.

Hika wrote: 2p2929

Also, self voting strategy shouldn't be mentioned here. Maybe google it cause we're currently in game and dont want mafia doing anything with that information.

Strikes me as a LAMIST post mainly due to the "dont want mafia doing anything with that information". Just feels like such a weird addition to the sentence in general, ending at "we're currently in game" would've been acceptable but the last bit seems to be tacked on solely to remind us you're not mafia.

Also upon actually rereading you don't have as many posts I find questionable as I seem to have ed. You're probably still pretty null for me honestly. Sorry for forcing you to do stuff on your drinking night, I'm just giving my honest views!

also @mod can we have a votecount

Phoneposting on train. Note to all : I usually have time to check the game once a day due to college and work, I can't be more active than that but that's mt usual activity in mafia games.

I don't really like the sudden abraker wagon (self votes suck but being derrotostnisn't a scumtell by itself, tho it's very anti-town and I don't see how some people are sayin he's helping town) but I'm more concerned about the Zekks one from before, I'll reread stuff when I get home.

@EVERYONE: before we go foward, I like to ask one thing.

Do you understand how power roles are asigned in Matrix9? I'm asking this because there was a MASSIVE confusion last game and that caused a lot of needless debate. (If you don't understand please ask now, if you do, no need to reply to this)

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So... foxtrot was the first one to vote Zekks after he claimed no mafia can stop him. I'm really interested why he considered so much about this being scum indicative, these kind of claims can't be resolved D1 because there's just too much risk. Him not answering questions is a totally different matter tho. Are the rest of such wagon just oportunistic?

Hika wrote: 2p2929

Also Zex, when i said anti town > scum, I meant it as a way like "sure he's anti town to me right now but I'd rather not vote for his lynch when we could be scum hunting"

hope that clears it up.

Oh okay, I do agree with that.

Dawnsday wrote: 366838

Hika wrote: 2p2929

Also, self voting strategy shouldn't be mentioned here. Maybe google it cause we're currently in game and dont want mafia doing anything with that information.

Strikes me as a LAMIST post mainly due to the "dont want mafia doing anything with that information". Just feels like such a weird addition to the sentence in general, ending at "we're currently in game" would've been acceptable but the last bit seems to be tacked on solely to remind us you're not mafia.

AFAIK Hika has never been too expresive, she usually goes with only a few lines per posts not explaing ideas a lot. I do agree with that statement anyways: if you have a plan which involves self-voting, you have to go to the end otherwise it will be for nothing. Same goes with reaction testing or stuff like that.

@John, @Dawnsday: why is Foxtrot so town? Going through her ISO shows little content in her lasts posts, last thing was the accusation to Zekks which I kinda understand but I don't see how she "analyses players very well". I do agree with she moving the game forward.

Dawnsday wrote: 366838

Strikes me as a LAMIST post mainly due to the "dont want mafia doing anything with that information". Just feels like such a weird addition to the sentence in general, ending at "we're currently in game" would've been acceptable but the last bit seems to be tacked on solely to remind us you're not mafia.

Also upon actually rereading you don't have as many posts I find questionable as I seem to have ed. You're probably still pretty null for me honestly. Sorry for forcing you to do stuff on your drinking night, I'm just giving my honest views!

also @mod can we have a votecount

You're not forcing me to do anything don't worry! I'm back from drinking so I'll post a bit.

I can definitely see where it could rub you incorrectly, but I meant it in a way where I wouldn't want to give the wrong people information that would work against town. I have many ways where I, myself as a player, would implement self-voting but would rather not go in depth with it this game.

Lets just say in my opinion, I see it as a shitty town confirming tactic as well as a ballsy scum move. As I said before, I'd rather have an anti town than a scum deceiving me but if that anti town is being extremely counteractive in our scum hunting, I'd be willing to get rid of them D1 to save town the trouble of being confused later on down the road.

After bboy VC then I'll be able to narrow down my reads a bit further. I have more people in the red rather than green, sad to say

also no more shitty reaction tests i'm not gonna let this over analyzing colors of your role PMs anymore lol

Zexion wrote: 11654m

So... foxtrot was the first one to vote Zekks after he claimed no mafia can stop him. I'm really interested why he considered so much about this being scum indicative, these kind of claims can't be resolved D1 because there's just too much risk. Him not answering questions is a totally different matter tho. Are the rest of such wagon just oportunistic?

I'm probably shooting myself in the foot by latching on Zekks's claim, but it's hard because there's not much content going on. But what other choice do I have, especially on D1? Like I said, I voted Zekks to get a reaction out of them but I got nothing. I might back down if it wasn't for the fact that a lot of new players tend to lurk the game when they have a mafia role, probably because it's a bit harder to play with a role like that.

And abraker is already voting for himself for the sake of PoE and he genuinely thinks that's gonna help town in the long run, but that's just dumb. It's not worth losing two town people over this.

Unless he wants to make us think that he's town, so it'd make sense if he's scum trying to gain our trust by doing something reckless,, claiming that it's for the greater good of town. That's why he's not backing down. That possibility doesn't sound too unrealistic. I'm glad people are wary of his actions.

Besides, why did abraker vote himself after rEdo if he could have just done it without someone else triggering it? I asked rEdo why he chose abraker and he asked me who would I have chosen instead. I straight up told him I don't know. But he also didn't answer my question, instead asking me another one, and that's a way to dodge a question as well.

so let me ask you again rEdo, why abraker?

Hika wrote: 2p2929

Lets just say in my opinion, I see it as a shitty town confirming tactic as well as a ballsy scum move. As I said before, I'd rather have an anti town than a scum deceiving me but if that anti town is being extremely counteractive in our scum hunting, I'd be willing to get rid of them D1 to save town the trouble of being confused later on down the road.

I understand that it's your night out so I won't pressure you but next time please write your thoughts in a more detailed way, and provide more information as to why you think that way. This is still rather vague to me.

Hika wrote: 2p2929

I have more people in the red rather than green, sad to say

Who?

Tell me what you'd like me to explain.
And I won't reveal that until i see total votes.

I'm saying john is coming up p much town for me.

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

Zexion wrote: 11654m

So... foxtrot was the first one to vote Zekks after he claimed no mafia can stop him. I'm really interested why he considered so much about this being scum indicative, these kind of claims can't be resolved D1 because there's just too much risk. Him not answering questions is a totally different matter tho. Are the rest of such wagon just oportunistic?

I'm probably shooting myself in the foot by latching on Zekks's claim, but it's hard because there's not much content going on. But what other choice do I have, especially on D1? Like I said, I voted Zekks to get a reaction out of them but I got nothing. I might back down if it wasn't for the fact that a lot of new players tend to lurk the game when they have a mafia role, probably because it's a bit harder to play with a role like that.

And abraker is already voting for himself for the sake of PoE and he genuinely thinks that's gonna help town in the long run, but that's just dumb. It's not worth losing two town people over this.

Unless he wants to make us think that he's town, so it'd make sense if he's scum trying to gain our trust by doing something reckless,, claiming that it's for the greater good of town. That's why he's not backing down. That possibility doesn't sound too unrealistic. I'm glad people are wary of his actions.

Yeah, there wasn't much more for content progression but you repeated the same thing... quite a few times. Your vote was kind of right tho, because that brought up the stronger claim. I definitely won't be up for a Zekks lynch right now, because new players also tend to be intimidated of the on-going discussion, there's a lot of question directed to him unaswered tho, but until he comes back, I can't be sure if he is still dodging them.

I'm still not sure if Dawn's vote on Zekks after just was oportunistic or a well thought-pressure plan.

Zexion wrote: 11654m

@John, @Dawnsday: why is Foxtrot so town? Going through her ISO shows little content in her lasts posts, last thing was the accusation to Zekks which I kinda understand but I don't see how she "analyses players very well". I do agree with she moving the game forward.

By good analyses I was thinking of back in the beginning of the game, but you're right about recent posts not having much content. As for why I think she's town...her posts don't seem scummy, maybe she's pushing the Zekks train too hard after most decided to leave it for now (most of her longer, more recent posts have something to do with Zekks), but again, she doesn't really seem like she's mafia.

I just noticed that quite a few people are still worried about the Zekks train so I take that bit back.

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

Zexion wrote: 11654m

Besides, why did abraker vote himself after rEdo if he could have just done it without someone else triggering it? I asked rEdo why he chose abraker and he asked me who would I have chosen instead. I straight up told him I don't know. But he also didn't answer my question, instead asking me another one, and that's a way to dodge a question as well.

so let me ask you again rEdo, why abraker?

That's because he's the most active in my could-be-scum-list, and I wanted to pressure him to fish out his reaction. That's how I usually (and I think that's how people should generally) use my vote. Why specifically abraker? He has shown that little information I could work him. I thought of pressuring john first, but then I realised he could scumslip by trying to get back on the Zekks wagon, because that seems like the easiest lynch scum could pull out today. And hell, that's what happened.

I hate the fact that abraker has not answered my question (who's scum?) yet, too. I feel like I forced out his reads, but he doesn't seem to be actually hunting for scum.

johnmedina999 wrote: 3r3a6s

I just noticed that quite a few people are still worried about the Zekks train so I take that bit back.

lol

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Lincolm: The only problem is that he bandwagons with no real justification. Just declare a bandwagon, he will be second to hop on it

Slight correction: He bandwagons with no real justification, and makes it seem like it is a normal thing to do. I get it if you are trying to choke out activity or info, but it doesn't make sense otherwise.

It is normal things to do in MS, but MS has 2 weeks for the day. It makes sense for me. You bandwagon people, you get his reaction, you get interaction between people why did they pressure that person initially and why didn't they pressure him. You townread him, you unvote.

The thing is you're trying to make everyone who make bandwagons bad right now, so no one is going to vote their scumread, even for smallest gut, because "he is bandwagoning people". When this town are going to vote? When they are sure 100% someone is scum? If you scumread me, then you should have vote me instead self-voting.

Maybe your previous game makes you more aware with everyone's vote, but let's be honest, you could just vote - unvote when you doubt your read - vote again and so on.

Also, here is my statement regarding this :

Lincolm wrote: 2x5543

So what? No one pressure. No one pushing. Waiting more contents. PoE is less accurate thing to find scum, but is there any accurate method to find scum without power role? Is it wrong to use PoE? Why is L-3 (or maybe you thought it was L-2) a dangerous thing for you? even rEdo (plus someone if you really thought it was L-2) doesn't tell explicitly why did he vote you.

I want you to respond this.

Uhh.. there is also many questions to ask to you but my bet you won't respond them.

Hika wrote: 2p2929

also i just think it looks bad on lincolm to vote me after he sees a vote already on me, referring to an earlier page

Why are you suddenly referring this?

==

Anyway, I understand this setup.

Lincolm wrote: 2x5543

Uhh.. there is also many questions to ask to you but my bet you won't respond them.

Isn't the fact that somebody left a question unanswered also a valuable information to work with?

I said that because I want to vote Lincolm out.

I didn't quote you on that lincolm because people can see I'm referring to you and plus I'm on the phone.

Is anyone alive?

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

And abraker is already voting for himself for the sake of PoE and he genuinely thinks that's gonna help town in the long run, but that's just dumb. It's not worth losing two town people over this.

Would it help if I was still a no vote?

rEdo wrote: p3f2b

He has shown that little information I could work him

I think I showed well enough info to work with here. If you still think that's not enough, then you are doing poor analysis.

rEdo wrote: p3f2b

I hate the fact that abraker has not answered my question (who's scum?) yet, too. I feel like I forced out his reads, but he doesn't seem to be actually hunting for scum.

I prob missed it, and my first read was entirely voluntary action after reading this post. It reminded me about reads, so I decided to do one. My second read was due to escalated matters with PoE, uncertainty with zekks, end of Lincolm's color fiasco, and foxtrot giving a solid impression.

Lincolm wrote: 2x5543

If you scumread me, then you should have vote me instead self-voting.

But I didn't

Lincolm wrote: 2x5543

Maybe your previous game makes you more aware with everyone's vote, but let's be honest, you could just vote - unvote when you doubt your read - vote again and so on.

I try to minimize voting I have little justification for


Also Dawnsday got restricted and doubt he is coming back according to this.

@mod: Please replace Dawnsday and perhaps extend the deadline. Ace Timing, do you want to play in the end?

Yes, if you're town it WOULD help if you were still a no vote.

By that little I did not mean so little, but a little so I could work with it. Self-voting is a terribly bad idea, especially if you were town. I am not sure but you seem way too egocentric when it comes to playing mafia in general. And I just can't help myself to think this is a scum tell.

My vote stands where it was, as my read on abraker changed from leaning scum to scum.

By the way...

Hika wrote: 2p2929

abraker ur doing the same thing i dont think is a town move and im not going to vote you because it's dumb

Was that a warning from your scumpartner?

Prodding [ - Zekks - ]

It may just be my lack of experience, but I think Lincolm and abraker have been 1v1-ing for far too long, it's starting to look like bussing to me. Ever since this post, where Lincolm invokes abraker out of the blue, and the two start arguing. This wasn't suspicious back then, but certainly looks suspicious now; Lincolm might say that he was one of the only people active at the time and that it was random, but there was redo and Zekks to ask as well; why would he specifically choose abraker to invoke?

It doesn't help that almost all of both abraker's and Lincolm's posts have been fighting with each other, either. Either they're bussing each other, or one of them is town taking advantage of the situation.

johnmedina999 wrote: 3r3a6s

or one of them is town

or one of them is mafia*

I don't think he did that out of the blue, rather he did that to pull him into the game because he was kind of just.. there?

But I'm not disagreeing with you completely, I can see where you're coming from. I think at this point, Lincolm is running out of people to pin down so he's going to hop from one person to the next and see if he can do reaction tests? imo

rEdo wrote: p3f2b

Was that a warning from your scumpartner?

LMAO, you think I'm scumbuddies with abraker? I'm town bro.
If anything, I'd probably be voting him or Lincolm.

abraker because he doesn't seem like he understands the impact of him self-voting. I think redo explains it the way I would like to explain it myself. I can tolerate a NL vote > self vote.

Hey Hika, can we have your reads? You said you would post them after vote count.

my leaning town reads are john n dawn
red leaning would be linc, zekks
red being abraker

everyone is like really null too me.
my FoS is on Foxtrot cuz she was over analyzing but I could be over looking that

Posting before sleep but somehow I ended being really pissed off with some posts...

rEdo wrote: p3f2b

Lincolm wrote: 2x5543

Uhh.. there is also many questions to ask to you but my bet you won't respond them.

Isn't the fact that somebody left a question unanswered also a valuable information to work with?

Yeah, but I consider what if he missed it or just skim at that time.

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

I try to minimize voting I have little justification for

And yet, you never engage first for hunting the scum. If you're town, good job. Double thumbs up. And probably you missed where I said my reason to vote you isn't because PoE anymore.

Hika wrote: 2p2929

I said that because I want to vote Lincolm out.

Any reason why are you not voting me in there or now? I'm pretty sure there is no change in vote count when you said it. You might don't want to vote abraker because it will put him in L-1, you think Zekks could be PR for you, but why did you not vote me?

johnmedina999 wrote: 3r3a6s

It may just be my lack of experience, but I think Lincolm and abraker have been 1v1-ing for far too long, it's starting to look like bussing to me. Ever since this post, where Lincolm invokes abraker out of the blue, and the two start arguing. This wasn't suspicious back then, but certainly looks suspicious now; Lincolm might say that he was one of the only people active at the time and that it was random, but there was redo and Zekks to ask as well; why would he specifically choose abraker to invoke?

I don't know what to say, how is it "too long"? I even said I choose abraker because PoE for initial reason. Do you even know what is PoE?

Hika wrote: 2p2929

But I'm not disagreeing with you completely, I can see where you're coming from. I think at this point, Lincolm is running out of people to pin down so he's going to hop from one person to the next and see if he can do reaction tests? imo

This post is just rubbing me so hard and wrong. I don't even know if this is a reason for scumread me or a reason why are you not voting me or both.

Lincolm wrote: 2x5543

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

I try to minimize voting I have little justification for

And yet, you never engage first for hunting the scum. If you're town, good job. Double thumbs up. And probably you missed where I said my reason to vote you isn't because PoE anymore.

I am scum-hunting, but subtly. It's just that no fish took my bait yet, sadly.

we have like two more days in the game left, i'm not voting you cuz i dont see anyone else posting today? @Lincolm

I dont want scum to come along and 'accidentally' hammer abraker also. Would be dumb for anyone else to vote him without a complete town decision. hope you see where im coming from

@linc, dont take it personal, just go to bed lol

I need a rational post from zekks.

Hika wrote: 2p2929

abraker ur doing the same thing i dont think is a town move and im not going to vote you because it's dumb

Now that rEdo did bring it to my attention, what do you mean by "the same thing"?



Alright, Hika has a post quantity that is slightly easy to go through:




For those who just want the highlights:

Now this one is especially interesting, because if Hika had a PR, there would be a MUCH less likely chance of this mention. This brings odds of Hika being scum to 2/7

Hika wrote: 2p2929

oh shit I'm so slow I forgot we have possible PRs
Slow your role bros, zekks could be a PR and doing it wrong

If zekks says PR, then D2 will be his last whether scum or townie. Zekks can't say mafia because that will be dumb af. If zekks says townie,
then it can be to Hika's plan to get him out of the clear. Either way, this will either end bad for zekks or for town. Likely both. This action makes Hika lean towards the scum side.

Hika wrote: 2p2929

Dulcet wrote: 6r4n69

yeah, we do have PRs, but what makes you think Zekks is one and not just vanilla? Just chance?

I think Zekks did a general threat to everyone voting him so i say he should tell us his role before we PL him. Seriously

I'm not playing with an anti-town.

There are two things that bother me here. This is very pro town, but second, any discussion about strategy is viewed by both parties. It becomes a guessing game how it would be executed, which is no different than guessing who is town and scum. I fail to see how anything mentioned regarding to this would put town at a disadvantage nor put scum at an advantage

Hika wrote: 2p2929

Also, self voting strategy shouldn't be mentioned here. Maybe google it cause we're currently in game and dont want mafia doing anything with that information.

There is a contradiction here. You see how you would implement it yet you claim it's anti-town enough to lynch D1 and I don't know how logical this reasoning is if you are town. I don't get how, as a townie, you can claim knowledge of self-voting tactics but at the same time vote a self-voter "to save town the trouble of being confused later on down the road". That's your scum side speaking even if you are town.

Hika wrote: 2p2929

Dawnsday wrote: 366838

Strikes me as a LAMIST post mainly due to the "dont want mafia doing anything with that information". Just feels like such a weird addition to the sentence in general, ending at "we're currently in game" would've been acceptable but the last bit seems to be tacked on solely to remind us you're not mafia.

Also upon actually rereading you don't have as many posts I find questionable as I seem to have ed. You're probably still pretty null for me honestly. Sorry for forcing you to do stuff on your drinking night, I'm just giving my honest views!

also @mod can we have a votecount

You're not forcing me to do anything don't worry! I'm back from drinking so I'll post a bit.

I can definitely see where it could rub you incorrectly, but I meant it in a way where I wouldn't want to give the wrong people information that would work against town. I have many ways where I, myself as a player, would implement self-voting but would rather not go in depth with it this game.

Lets just say in my opinion, I see it as a shitty town confirming tactic as well as a ballsy scum move. As I said before, I'd rather have an anti town than a scum deceiving me but if that anti town is being extremely counteractive in our scum hunting, I'd be willing to get rid of them D1 to save town the trouble of being confused later on down the road.

I don't what to make of this, but thinking that more players are scum than town when 2/9 are scum is indicative of something

Hika wrote: 2p2929

After bboy VC then I'll be able to narrow down my reads a bit further. I have more people in the red rather than green, sad to say

Again with total votes. WHY? Vote count SHOULD NOT affect your reads. If it does, then you are being careful to word your reads to target someone or shift attention from someone.

Hika wrote: 2p2929

Tell me what you'd like me to explain.
And I won't reveal that until i see total votes.

I'm saying john is coming up p much town for me.

If you are scum, it would be a good tactic to put down your partner as red to not raise suspicion. It is even safer to do so now since most of the hellfire is currently on me and linc., and linc. may not be your partner

Hika wrote: 2p2929

my leaning town reads are john n dawn
red leaning would be linc, zekks
red being abraker

everyone is like really null too me.
my FoS is on Foxtrot cuz she was over analyzing but I could be over looking that

@Hika:
I do expect you to answer many of the question I asked in the spoiler box


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Hika wrote: 2p2929

my FoS is on Foxtrot cuz she was over analyzing but I could be over looking that

I don't think I'm over-analyzing and your reads provided us with nothing. Why do you think Lincolm is red? Or why do you think John is town? Do you have concrete reasons behind your read? I know I haven't done one yet, but when I'll do, I'll try not to be lazy about it. And why do you think I'm over analyzing? Is it because I was onto Zekks, someone you've been trying to get our attention off from them? Your posts are also rubbing me off, and it seems like I'm not the only person who feels that way.

Hika wrote: 2p2929

After bboy VC then I'll be able to narrow down my reads a bit further. I have more people in the red rather than green, sad to say

Other people have been able to do reads without keeping track of VC and you're the only one doing this. Why should VC be important in your read? If someone has more votes or less votes, why would it matter towards your read? It just seems like you're waiting to see which person has most votes so you can deliver your coup de grâce

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

Hika wrote: 2p2929

Lets just say in my opinion, I see it as a shitty town confirming tactic as well as a ballsy scum move. As I said before, I'd rather have an anti town than a scum deceiving me but if that anti town is being extremely counteractive in our scum hunting, I'd be willing to get rid of them D1 to save town the trouble of being confused later on down the road.

I understand that it's your night out so I won't pressure you but next time please write your thoughts in a more detailed way, and provide more information as to why you think that way. This is still rather vague to me.

And you asked me what I'd like you to explain, but you don't need to explain anything. It's just that you lack reasoning behind your claims like you've been doing in your read and past posts. You write really small sentences that can be rather vague or really obvious, which makes you hard to read.

Why would you rather have anti-scum deceiving you? And if you know for sure someone is being anti-town, why vote for them when we could vote for scum instead? Do you want to get rid of anti-town right away because it's probably the most convenient vote?

johnmedina999 wrote: 3r3a6s

Zexion wrote: 11654m

@John, @Dawnsday: why is Foxtrot so town? Going through her ISO shows little content in her lasts posts, last thing was the accusation to Zekks which I kinda understand but I don't see how she "analyses players very well". I do agree with she moving the game forward.

By good analyses I was thinking of back in the beginning of the game, but you're right about recent posts not having much content. As for why I think she's town...her posts don't seem scummy, maybe she's pushing the Zekks train too hard after most decided to leave it for now (most of her longer, more recent posts have something to do with Zekks), but again, she doesn't really seem like she's mafia.

I'm curious about this. If foxtrot is town for her analytical posts, then Lincolm should also fall into that category (specially for this post, but you are (or were?) reading him as scum. Your reads aren't consistent.

johnmedina999 wrote: 3r3a6s

It may just be my lack of experience, but I think Lincolm and abraker have been 1v1-ing for far too long, it's starting to look like bussing to me. Ever since this post, where Lincolm invokes abraker out of the blue, and the two start arguing. This wasn't suspicious back then, but certainly looks suspicious now; Lincolm might say that he was one of the only people active at the time and that it was random, but there was redo and Zekks to ask as well; why would he specifically choose abraker to invoke?

It doesn't help that almost all of both abraker's and Lincolm's posts have been fighting with each other, either. Either they're bussing each other, or one of them is town taking advantage of the situation.

I don't really think both of them are scum, their dicussion seems to be a natural progression of the accusations, I mean, -it could be-, but I don't really see something indicative of bussing.

Okay one sec, I have to break everyone's posts down.

Ace Timing replaces Dawnsday

If I skipped any of your questions, feel free to quote them and tell me them. I felt as if I needed to answer all those that I see now. It's hard to see cause this post is long when I open it, lol.

Also, I asked for vote count because I see you're on L-2 and didn't have time to read up the thread to confirm that. As I said, I've been on my phone recently. My reads obviously influence town and I didn't want anyone to be like "okay so then vote abraker! *vote*" and have someone sneaky accidentally hammer. I don't think anyone is understanding this. And I dont want to be the only fucking one concerned about that but it's odd that no one else is caring about that.

To also clear some stuff up, I don't think anyone responded when Zexion asked if everyone knew how the matrix 6 setup was like. So if you don't understand why I'm so concerned with PR's, you're probably not taking the game seriously either. I don't want anyone to think Zekks is straight scum because of his threat that I have quoted here:

[ - Zekks - ] wrote: 4w4v2y

As long as I'm still alive, no mafia can't stop me

This puts me off so fucking bad you guys don't know. I'm not saying I'm not willing to vote him but it just doesn't feel right. I might be overthinking that, who knows.

Real quick before I answer Foxtrot's post, it is possible to have more than 2 scum reads. I think it's fucked up abraker thinks I cant have that lol.
Like I said, I currently have two leaning scum and one possible scum. Just talk to me and we can change that read, that's literally it

But it looks like Zekks is inactive rn

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

I don't think I'm over-analyzing and your reads provided us with nothing. Why do you think Lincolm is red? Or why do you think John is town? Do you have concrete reasons behind your read? I know I haven't done one yet, but when I'll do, I'll try not to be lazy about it. And why do you think I'm over analyzing? Is it because I was onto Zekks, someone you've been trying to get our attention off from them? Your posts are also rubbing me off, and it seems like I'm not the only person who feels that way.

That's why I was feeling suspicious. I just didn't see a reads list, that's all. You can read what I have posted for abraker and see if that works for you because I don't think you noticed what I've written the past bit.

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

Other people have been able to do reads without keeping track of VC and you're the only one doing this. Why should VC be important in your read? If someone has more votes or less votes, why would it matter towards your read? It just seems like you're waiting to see which person has most votes so you can deliver your coup de grâce

Invalid. I already have a strong disliking about how many votes are on abraker and have stated it like once or twice already. I'M the one holding my vote if you haven't noticed. My vote is all I have and I don't think you read my posts it seems. My reads still stand regardless of any vote changing from this point on unless someone else changes my mind.

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

Why would you rather have anti-scum deceiving you? And if you know for sure someone is being anti-town, why vote for them when we could vote for scum instead? Do you want to get rid of anti-town right away because it's probably the most convenient vote?

I think it's an obvious reason why I'd rather have anti-town deceiving me? I'm hoping you meant anti-town*. As I said, if I don't have any concrete leads for myself to believe a person is ing us, as a town, on scum hunting, they deserved to be voted out. I've always played my games like this. And you can see in previous games that we've HAD to do a PL cause someone's actions are so toxic, that the town feels like that other townie just needs to go.

I say anti town because I'm speaking from a transparent point of view. Meaning, we all think we're town... 2/9 of us aren't. I don't know which one of you guys aren't but all I know is that I'm going to vote for who doesn't go for town's win this game. That's all.

I HAVEN'T READ ANYTHING BUT I'M JESUS SO
Hika

Now, I personally want more content from zekks, redo, and zexion.

I'm off work tomorrow so I'll be sticking around more.