[ - Zekks - ] wrote: 4w4v2y

idc, as long as I'm alive, there's no way town win from me 'w'

FTFY

Lincolm wrote: 2x5543

[ - Zekks - ] wrote: 4w4v2y

idc, as long as I'm alive, there's no way town win from me 'w'

FTFY

do you wanna fight

Yep, let's fight.

Lincolm wrote: 2x5543

Animated Gif

Yep, let's fight.

Lincolm wrote: 2x5543

That's logical answer. And no, I just ask if you get red or green colour, hoping you to answer red somehow.

Well-written flavour, though.

why would he answer red? are you trying to distract us from actual scum and shift the attention to the new players?

Hey Zekks, what do you think about John?

this further proves my suspicion; stop trying to initiate a bandwagon, it's not working

Vote: Lincolm

woah

I just want to know how experienced he is. He wrote really nice flavour for mafia but doesn't know RVS. Most people, even newbies, will know green and red are the expected answer, and some experienced people might be jokingly answer it by any means as it was in RVS. But I get John's POV, but your POV is same exactly same with him. Do you agree that he is newbie?

And no, I only asked read or opinion for actual contents. I don't see why John is scum by 2 fluff post and 2 actual content post that voting me.

Nice content anyway.

You don't want to vote me Zekks? A nice green fast wagon to jump in

He wrote really nice flavour for mafia but doesn't know RVS.

doesn't take an experienced player to write good flavour

Do you agree that he is newbie?

yeah

Most people, even newbies, will know green and red are the expected answer, and some experienced people might be jokingly answer it by any means as it was in RVS

and because it's still RSV, I don't think he has any idea whether you're town or not, hence why he gave you a vague answer. to me, that makes perfect sense, he really has no reason to trust you.

i still don't understand why you asked about john to zekks. you could have asked anybody but you went straight for zekks

You don't want to vote me Zekks? A nice green fast wagon to jump in

what are you trying to accomplish

Ayyyy top page!

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

doesn't take an experienced player to write good flavour

Maybe just me then.

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

and because it's still RSV, I don't think he has any idea whether you're town or not, hence why he gave you a vague answer. to me, that makes perfect sense, he really has no reason to trust you.

Not vague, imo.

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

i still don't understand why you asked about john to zekks. you could have asked anybody but you went straight for zekks

Because he was around. I like to engage someone who was around. If I want to ask who not online, I would put it later.

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

what are you trying to accomplish

What do you think about Zekks, then? Am I wrong to engage to him? What should I ask to him?

I would reconsider my vote, but I don't know to vote for

I might vote for Foxtrot, since she is trying to pin everyone on Lincolm, but that seems kinda weak, but I'll still hold onto that

Or I can change my vote to Lincolm, because Foxtrot has decent amount of evidence to the fact that Lincolm could be the mafia

Okay fail top page. . . I'm stupid

It doesn't hurt me or Foxtrot if you vote me or Foxtrot.

[ - Zekks - ] wrote: 4w4v2y

I might vote for Foxtrot, since she is trying to pin everyone on Lincolm, but that seems kinda weak, but I'll still hold onto that

I think tunnelling is good in this condition, I like what he do.

[ - Zekks - ] wrote: 4w4v2y

Or I can change my vote to Lincolm, because Foxtrot has decent amount of evidence to the fact that Lincolm could be the mafia

What do you think about my clarification?

Here is the unofficial vote count

Dawnsday haven't confirmed

Unofficial Vote Count 
Lincolm         (L-3)     : johnmedina999, Foxtrot
rEdo            (L-3)     : Hika, [ - Zekks - ]
Hika            (L-3)     : Zexion, Lincolm
 [ - Zekks - ]  (L-4)     : rEdo
Not Voting                : abraker, Dawnsday

[quote="[ - Zekks - ]"Or I can change my vote to Lincolm, because Foxtrot has decent amount of evidence to the fact that Lincolm could be the mafia[/quote]

What do you mean by decent?

wow are you serious that this quote box has fucked up LOL

[ - Zekks - ] wrote: 4w4v2y

Or I can change my vote to Lincolm, because Foxtrot has decent amount of evidence to the fact that Lincolm could be the mafia

What do you mean by decent?

(oh, I fucked it up.)

Let this one be a lesson to new guys, too: DO NOT EDIT YOUR POSTS, even if you messed up your formatting. It's third-rate, the content and the intent to send such content is the meat that we want.

Lincolm wrote: 2x5543

Because he was around. I like to engage someone who was around. If I want to ask who not online, I would put it later.

fair enough

Lincolm wrote: 2x5543

It doesn't hurt me or Foxtrot if you vote me or Foxtrot.

i like your confidence

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Lincolm wrote: 2x5543

Not vague, imo.

well, you were expecting a red or green answer. he said mostly black. that can be seen as vague...

AND suspicious!!!

when i said:

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

to me, that makes perfect sense, he really has no reason to trust you.

let me take that back.

he could have said green to win our trust, but he didn't. that can be seen as a redflag.

honestly, there's two possibilities here: he was scared of giving information away to you because he thought of you as scum, or to any other possible scum reading the thread. that's understandable. now, why would he think scum would target him right away, i don't know. it's not like he poses a certain threat. or does he? ANYHOW! like i said, because it's RSV there's simply not enough evidence to trust you, but that also counts for john.

the second one is simply this: he doesn't have green, so he was afraid of giving himself out.

yeah, voting for Lincolm was too rash. but hey, that's RSV for you. john actually didn't have any plausible reason to vote for you, except blatant paranoia.

or i must be going crazy...



by the way, thank you for your comments Lincolm. i haven't played mafia much, but i'm glad to see that i'm doing okay.

Zekks wrote: 102o9

idc, as long as I'm walking, there's no stopping for me 'w'

i missed this

why would you say that?

I purposely did not give out any information because there was no real reason to. If someone asks for your credit card info, would you give it to them on the spot? I thought so. Also, I voted for him because RVS: there was no one to really vote for, no evidence to analyze yet, but the second he started fishing for an easy noob kill, it seems suspicious to me, and I voted.

Foxtrot, you confuse me. Hopping onto the first bandwagon that seemed plausible would be a scum thing to do (redo and Hika bandwagons are based on nothing), but I see you are starting to hop off it with your post, and going more neutral. My instincts tell me this is not a scum move, but there is also the possibility of you being Mafia and Lincolm being your partner: as soon as you saw Zekks thinking about hopping on the bandwagon, you saw that your partner being killed might be a certain possibility, and you hopped off the wagon to avoid that. That seems suspicious to me.

I still hold my vote against Lincolm, though, because even if going after fresh meat is a plausible thing to do, trying to create a bandwagon is scummy to me.

John wrote: 3x644n

I purposely did not give out any information because there was no real reason to. If someone asks for your credit card info, would you give it to them on the spot? I thought so

but you didn't say that you were town, either, so we're back to square one. we don't know who you are, so that's a good enough reason to not trust you.

John wrote: 3x644n

Also, I voted for him because RVS: there was no one to really vote for, no evidence to analyze yet, but the second he started fishing for an easy noob kill, it seems suspicious to me, and I voted.

this is ONE of the possibilites i mentioned so i dont think i have to add anything to that

John wrote: 3x644n

Foxtrot, you confuse me. Hopping onto the first bandwagon that seemed plausible would be a scum thing to do

are you trying to say that i mindlessly agreed with you? because that's not the case. i gave my reasons, and they just happened to concise with yours. until i read the thread over.

John wrote: 3x644n

but I see you are starting to hop off it with your post, and going more neutral. My instincts tell me this is not a scum move, but there is also the possibility of you being Mafia and Lincolm being your partner: as soon as you saw Zekks thinking about hopping on the bandwagon, you saw that your partner being killed might be a certain possibility, and you hopped off the wagon to avoid that. That seems suspicious to me.

but i haven't even refrained my vote from Lincolm so you're contradicting yourself there.
no, i didn't hop off from any wagon, and i wasn't on any either.
i just think that the possibility of you being scum is as high as Lincolm's because you both acted fairly suspicious. but hey, you didn't go after rEdo when he voted for Zekks for simply being new. are you being hypocritical or are you partners with him?

honestly, you seem to forget that i posted TWO possibilites. that doesn't mean i stopped thinking that Lincolm is scum. like i said,

i just think that the possibility of you being scum is as high as Lincolm's because you both acted fairly suspicious.

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

i like your confidence

Mafia game is full of doubt and naturally heated game. I'm trying to not mentally unbalanced like in the past. Confidence is just to hide my tantrums. Hope I do well in holding it.

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

well, you were expecting a red or green answer. he said mostly black. that can be seen as vague...

Maybe I'm not clear enough in my explanation before. If he answered either red or green jokingly, it means he is experienced and vice versa.
Some experienced people might jokingly answered it with the expected answer, but newbie is not.

johnmedina999 wrote: 3r3a6s

I still hold my vote against Lincolm, though, because even if going after fresh meat is a plausible thing to do, trying to create a bandwagon is scummy to me.

Mmmm... even though if you said red colour, did it makes everyone believe you're mafia and vice versa? Tbh, I'm not trying to create a bandwagon, but I'm trying to push everyone to get out from RVS and post actual content. Unfortunately, I don't have any reads to change my vote to serious vote.

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

but hey, you didn't go after rEdo when he voted for Zekks for simply being new. are you being hypocritical or are you partners with him?

Basically, that was rEdo's RVS vote.

==

@Zekks :
What do you think about Johnmedina999?

@abraker :
Why did you not RVS? What do you think about me?

@Mod : May you please put this in your (most first) post?
Players ISO :
1. johnmedina999
2. Zexion
3. Dawnsday
4. Foxtrot
5. Hika
6. [ - Zekks - ]
7. Lincolm
8. abraker
9. rEdo

Mod ISO :
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Lincolm wrote: 2x5543

@abraker :
Why did you not RVS? What do you think about me?

I am considering to vote for myself if I cannot come up with any conclusions in the next couple days because fuck RVS

You remind me of Sakura (who turned out to be town) from the previous game in some aspects. You seem to take the initiative, and I learned that if someone is pushing opinions or pulling strings here and there, it doesn't imply mafia.

Too soon to be wallin'. Too much newbhunting and too little scumhunting.

Lincolm wrote: 2x5543

That's logical answer. And no, I just ask if you get red or green colour, hoping you to answer red somehow.

Well-written flavour, though.

Lincolm plz, even the role PM's are up.

johnmedina999 wrote: 3r3a6s

I purposely did not give out any information because there was no real reason to. If someone asks for your credit card info, would you give it to them on the spot? I thought so. Also, I voted for him because RVS: there was no one to really vote for, no evidence to analyze yet, but the second he started fishing for an easy noob kill, it seems suspicious to me, and I voted.

Foxtrot, you confuse me. Hopping onto the first bandwagon that seemed plausible would be a scum thing to do (redo and Hika bandwagons are based on nothing), but I see you are starting to hop off it with your post, and going more neutral. My instincts tell me this is not a scum move, but there is also the possibility of you being Mafia and Lincolm being your partner: as soon as you saw Zekks thinking about hopping on the bandwagon, you saw that your partner being killed might be a certain possibility, and you hopped off the wagon to avoid that. That seems suspicious to me.

I still hold my vote against Lincolm, though, because even if going after fresh meat is a plausible thing to do, trying to create a bandwagon is scummy to me.

It's way too soon to be assuming bandwagons mean something. I've seen games when players get to L-1 and it doesn't mean anything in particular. Also why do you assume rEdo and Hika wagons are "based on nothing"? Have you ever asked the reasons why is that?

Well, I guess I meant nothing in this game. The first vote was for redo by Hika with no reasoning or previous posts, and you voted for Hika because she "didn't like my bastard game", which (to me) is not based on anything. Sure, cross-game interactions are valuable, but the reasoning isn't there. Now that you're here, may I ask if you have a different reason for voting for Hika?

L0L

Hello! Sorry for the delay. Catching up on everything now and will do the do

I read this when I get on my laptop! Eating dinner rn

Judging that I didn't skip a post/some super relevant info I'm in the neutral party currently: Lincolm attempted a..? Thing? and John responded with the choice to abstain from any info rather than straight up claiming his PM text was green.

John also seems to be willing to progress other lines of reading (see; his most recent post) whereas Lincolm has stuck to explaining his play. Nothing solid for me atm

My entire opinion on the entire "PM color" thing is that no matter what John responded (even red?), it couldn't be taken at face value ever. He responds green? Duh he's scum, or town. Leaving you with nothing. He responds with nor green nor red? Great, he's given you nothing. He responds red? He can simply claim he was trying to see how far you'd push him as a newb and how devoted you'd be to taking such info at face value. (Though I'm not sure I'd even consider this a possbility in hindsight, just pointing out that even in the most extreme of responses it could be played off.) therefore I think the entire concept of asking for his PM color was flawed in response.

Again, siding with neither of you on this one.

Foxtrot did the same amount of nosing around on the subject as I did so, neutral on her.

forgot to [img] the pic oops.

johnmedina999 wrote: 3r3a6s

Well, I guess I meant nothing in this game. The first vote was for redo by Hika with no reasoning or previous posts, and you voted for Hika because she "didn't like my bastard game", which (to me) is not based on anything. Sure, cross-game interactions are valuable, but the reasoning isn't there. Now that you're here, may I ask if you have a different reason for voting for Hika?

My vote may have been RVS, but that doesn't mean I keep it for the same reason.

I missed Dawnsday image-posts.

This is going to be a fun game.

Dawnsday wrote: 366838

My entire opinion on the entire "PM color" thing is that no matter what John responded (even red?), it couldn't be taken at face value ever. He responds green? Duh he's scum, or town. Leaving you with nothing. He responds with nor green nor red? Great, he's given you nothing. He responds red? He can simply claim he was trying to see how far you'd push him as a newb and how devoted you'd be to taking such info at face value. (Though I'm not sure I'd even consider this a possbility in hindsight, just pointing out that even in the most extreme of responses it could be played off.) therefore I think the entire concept of asking for his PM color was flawed in response.

I think you're just overanalyzing a bad newb-test Lincolm did.

interesting that you mention a connection between Lincolm and Zekks, Dawnsday

Zekks recently wrote this

Zekks wrote: 102o9

idc, as long as I'm walking, there's no stopping for me 'w'

and I asked her to clarify on this, but she hasn't told me anything yet. I know, I might be looking too hard for clues, but that is such an odd thing to say

Zexion wrote: 11654m

Dawnsday wrote: 366838

My entire opinion on the entire "PM color" thing is that no matter what John responded (even red?), it couldn't be taken at face value ever. He responds green? Duh he's scum, or town. Leaving you with nothing. He responds with nor green nor red? Great, he's given you nothing. He responds red? He can simply claim he was trying to see how far you'd push him as a newb and how devoted you'd be to taking such info at face value. (Though I'm not sure I'd even consider this a possbility in hindsight, just pointing out that even in the most extreme of responses it could be played off.) therefore I think the entire concept of asking for his PM color was flawed in response.

I think you're just overanalyzing a bad newb-test Lincolm did.

I'm looking at it critically but maybe you're right. I stand by that the concept was flawed, I have no idea as to Lincolm's experience but I'm just giving my opinion on the matter. I stand by that it COULD potentially have been a scum play but I agree that it's just a shortsighted newb test.

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

interesting that you mention a connection between Lincolm and Zekks, Dawnsday

Zekks recently wrote this

Zekks wrote: 102o9

idc, as long as I'm walking, there's no stopping for me 'w'

and I asked her to clarify on this, but she hasn't told me anything yet. I know, I might be looking too hard for clues, but that is such an odd thing to say

It is odd agreed. It's possible this is just fluff memery (however inappropriate one may deem it in a thread). I'm also quite eager to hear the reasoning for it but on the whole I don't think there's too too much that can be read into.

well, at least everybody showed up by now. that's very good.

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

interesting that you mention a connection between Lincolm and Zekks, Dawnsday

It doesn't help that both times he asked someone about me he asked Zekks.

honestly, that can also be seen as his way to shift attention to the newbies like he tried to do with you. too early to tell, though.

Who's her?

[ - Zekks - ] wrote: 4w4v2y

Who's her?

are you deliberately avoiding my question?

Lincolm wrote: 2x5543

@Mod : May you please put this in your (most first) post?
Players ISO :
1. johnmedina999
2. Zexion
3. Dawnsday
4. Foxtrot
5. Hika
6. [ - Zekks - ]
7. Lincolm
8. abraker
9. rEdo

Mod ISO :
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Updated, thank you.

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

[ - Zekks - ] wrote: 4w4v2y

Who's her?

are you deliberately avoiding my question?

what was your question 'w'

[ - Zekks - ] wrote: 4w4v2y

what was your question 'w'

did you ready my post?

idc, as long as I'm walking, there's no stopping for me 'w'

what did you mean by this?

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

[ - Zekks - ] wrote: 4w4v2y

what was your question 'w'

did you ready my post?

idc, as long as I'm walking, there's no stopping for me 'w'

what did you mean by this?

As long as I'm still alive, no mafia can't stop me

maybe cuz u r scum smh ^

Unvote

[ - Zekks - ] wrote: 4w4v2y

As long as I'm still alive, no mafia can't stop me

really now? interesting

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

[ - Zekks - ] wrote: 4w4v2y

As long as I'm still alive, no mafia can't stop me

really now? interesting

Yes, very interesting

why the fuck are there three votes on me that's crazy as fuck

also zekks, stop that its annoying u scum

you're acting very scummy, zekks. if you're town, i advise you to stop it. you're most likely not.

Hika wrote: 2p2929

why the fuck are there three votes on me that's crazy as fuck

The votecount is wrong, I didn't vote for you.

Oh alright I was just wondering cause I only getting voted twice

Oh also I forgot to hit submit but if someone asks for reads or opinions, it's probably better to reveal them in a timely matter and in complete honesty because it definitely can shape a better opinion of you for someone else. In this case, if you're scum/town. @john

p.s. RVS is over imo

Zexion wrote: 11654m

I missed Dawnsday image-posts.

This is going to be a fun game.

I thought I was the only one who made charts and stuff and over analyzed everything.

johnmedina999 wrote: 3r3a6s

as soon as you saw Zekks thinking about hopping on the bandwagon, you saw that your partner being killed might be a certain possibility, and you hopped off the wagon to avoid that. That seems suspicious to me.

Zekks was onto both on Foxtrot and Lincolm. What difference does it make who gets the vote? It doesn't make sense for Foxtrot to go easier on Lincolm if Foxtrot himself ends up on the end of the voting stick instead.

Speaking of that,

[ - Zekks - ] wrote: 4w4v2y

I might vote for Foxtrot, since she is trying to pin everyone on Lincolm, but that seems kinda weak, but I'll still hold onto that

Or I can change my vote to Lincolm, because Foxtrot has decent amount of evidence to the fact that Lincolm could be the mafia

My scum detector is getting a faint reading here. Attempting to justify the no change in vote using indecisiveness between the two most active ? By what I see Lincolm was trying to break RVS and caught the attention of Foxtrot in the processes. Why even mention a change in vote before the dust has settled a bit is beyond me.

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Zekks, why do you think Lincolm is asking you so many questions?

And you ignored my question too, what gives? Answer mine and Lincolm's questions already!


Zekks - is the most suspicious one for giving the weirdest responses and ignoring questions. Such crude indecisiveness and accumulation of mishaps is what killed Dawnsday day 1 last game.

Lincolm - don't want to draw any conclusions just yet, but is slightly on my radar

Foxtrot - My personal BS detector from now on

John - Poor guy. He needs more heat lol

The rest are null

[ - Zekks - ] wrote: 4w4v2y

Yes, very interesting

you know what would be more interesting?

Unvote

Vote: Zekks

I'm just confused, I'm too lazy to look over things asdf. If I die the mafia will have a higher chance of living, so if you decide to kill me off, good luck!

Vote: Zekks

Maybe this gives you the incentive to "look things over". You're setting off my scumdar now.

[ - Zekks - ] wrote: 4w4v2y

I'm just confused, I'm too lazy to look over things asdf. If I die the mafia will have a higher chance of living, so if you decide to kill me off, good luck!

nice taunt

need vote count b4 I vote Zekks

last mod post, he was 1 vote, me and fox voted so that's 3?

L-2 I think but not sure of it's accuracy.

/shrug

Kinda hope Zekks posts soon, been scummy the entire time and this latest post doesn't help :S

Catching up!

Here is the unofficial vote count

Unofficial Vote Count 
 [ - Zekks - ]  (L-2)     : rEdo, Foxtrot, Dawnsday
Hika            (L-3)     : Zexion, Lincolm
rEdo            (L-4)     : [ - Zekks - ]
Lincolm         (L-4)     : johnmedina999
Not Voting                : abraker, Hika

==

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

I am considering to vote for myself if I cannot come up with any conclusions in the next couple days because fuck RVS.

So any reason why "fuck RVS"?

Dawnsday wrote: 366838

Lincolm has stuck to explaining his play.

I read both Foxtrot and John as town, for now. So yes, I was stuck.

Any way, never seen someone explain what happen via image of text. Nice method.

johnmedina999 wrote: 3r3a6s

It doesn't help that both times he asked someone about me he asked Zekks.

Because somehow he doesn't care about you? When I asked about you, he said "idc" and it's weird?

Maybe he doesn't care about the game at all, which is clarify his answer. Some people like to trolling around regardless his alignment or maybe he doesn't even have slight what's going on, so...

Dawnsday wrote: 366838

I have no idea as to Lincolm's experience but I'm just giving my opinion on the matter.

Have play mafia like 4-5 years ago, stopped playing 2 years ago, aaaaaand back.

Hika wrote: 2p2929

p.s. RVS is over imo

I like my vote sticks in you >:)

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Foxtrot - My personal BS detector from now on

What is the abbreviation BS in here? Is it bullshit? I thought you like to over-analyzed everything. Can you explain more about your read on Foxtrot?

==

So, I think Zekks is scummy because of fence-sitting, but perhaps just his style of trolling. Way too confident and careless.

So you guys should back off and chill out a little bit and see other players as we have 120 hours before deadline.

I'm gonna wait more contents from rEdo, Zexion, Hika.

Somehow this question doesn't posted in my previous post.

Dawnsday wrote: 366838

furthering the narrative that Zekks & Lincolm seems to have some connection

What do you mean by "connection" between me and Zekks? Do you mean scum-scum interaction or something? What if one or both of us town?

Lincolm wrote: 2x5543

Somehow this question doesn't posted in my previous post.

Dawnsday wrote: 366838

furthering the narrative that Zekks & Lincolm seems to have some connection

What do you mean by "connection" between me and Zekks? Do you mean scum-scum interaction or something? What if one or both of us town?

You and Zekks seemed to speak to eachother a lot, you were asking Zekks for his thoughts about John (you've explained this to be solely down to online s but I'm still iffy.)

Not saying it's scum scum but I'm not sure about buddying in any scenario as townies.

Lincolm wrote: 2x5543

What is the abbreviation BS in here? Is it bullshit? I thought you like to over-analyzed everything. Can you explain more about your read on Foxtrot?

BS means bullshit, yes

Lincolm wrote: 2x5543

So you guys should back off and chill out a little bit and see other players as we have 120 hours before deadline.

it's not like we can't unvote, so why would you say that? is zekks getting too many votes for your liking?

Dawnsday wrote: 366838

You and Zekks seemed to speak to eachother a lot, you were asking Zekks for his thoughts about John (you've explained this to be solely down to online s but I'm still iffy.)

I think there are more interaction between me and Foxtrot now. What do you think about that?

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

it's not like we can't unvote, so why would you say that? is zekks getting too many votes for your liking?

As abraker and Hika scum-read Zekks also, I would like you guys to see other players as I don't think Zekks is scum for now. Also, you can go unvote and vote him back. It's not about the votes, but everyone seems too focused on Zekks.

Somehow, I'm pretty sure there is no point in pressuring or waiting Zekks. But if you want to stick your vote, I don't mind also.

Lincolm wrote: 2x5543

Dawnsday wrote: 366838

You and Zekks seemed to speak to eachother a lot, you were asking Zekks for his thoughts about John (you've explained this to be solely down to online s but I'm still iffy.)

I think there are more interaction between me and Foxtrot now. What do you think about that?

Incomparable. This is currently an open discussion, not a simple "hey X what do you think about Y" out of the blue (where X is currently most people's top scumread). You x Foxtrot interaction is limited to discussion, not the half-buddying I witnessed, again. I'm not claiming it to be scum-scum buddying. Was just an observation I made when rereading the thread.

Lincolm wrote: 2x5543

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

it's not like we can't unvote, so why would you say that? is zekks getting too many votes for your liking?

As abraker and Hika scum-read Zekks also, I would like you guys to see other players as I don't think Zekks is scum for now. Also, you can go unvote and vote him back. It's not about the votes, but everyone seems too focused on Zekks.

Somehow, I'm pretty sure there is no point in pressuring or waiting Zekks. But if you want to stick your vote, I don't mind also.

Explain? When asked to open up on certain things he simply says "I'm too lazy" and literally applies a logical fallacy (Appeals to emotion in his statement that if we lynch him we'll give mafia a higher probability.)

I'm not saying he's guaranteed scum but he should 100% be setting off some alarms in your head right about now.

I'm willing to stand my ground on voting an anti town but anti town > scum so we need to get off zekks a bit.

o yea btw been busy. School starting and work so I usually will have more time to leave content around 19:00 EST

Is this top page?

Here is the unofficial vote count for top page

Unofficial Vote Count 
 [ - Zekks - ]  (L-2)     : rEdo, Foxtrot, Dawnsday
Hika            (L-3)     : Zexion, Lincolm
rEdo            (L-4)     : [ - Zekks - ]
Lincolm         (L-4)     : johnmedina999
Not Voting                : abraker, Hika

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Dawnsday wrote: 366838

Explain? When asked to open up on certain things he simply says "I'm too lazy" and literally applies a logical fallacy (Appeals to emotion in his statement that if we lynch him we'll give mafia a higher probability.)

I'm not saying he's guaranteed scum but he should 100% be setting off some alarms in your head right about now.

As I said before, his post when he stated "idc" is already weird for me. It turned on my scum-radar, but I considered many scenarios as it was RVS also.
I think he is scummy because of fence-sitting, but it is just the way he plays this mafia game right now, either he is trolling or he has no idea what's going on. I don't see how this is coming from confidence, yet careless scum.

Hika wrote: 2p2929

I'm willing to stand my ground on voting an anti town but anti town > scum so we need to get off zekks a bit.

Not fully disagree about this, but I rather push him to give a content or something.

Lincolm wrote: 2x5543

So any reason why "fuck RVS"?

... I will pretend this question was not asked

Lincolm wrote: 2x5543

What is the abbreviation BS in here? Is it bullshit? I thought you like to over-analyzed everything. Can you explain more about your read on Foxtrot?

He just latched on to you since you started being radioactive. Pointing out the bullshit stuff such as asking needless question like "So any reason why 'fuck RVS'?" is what he did. Other than that, if you can't figure out whether I think town on scum from what I wrote, then I can't figure either.

I agree with you linc.

There's no point in letting Zekks go off easy so pressure him harder to see what he's all about.
@Zekks: what da fuck u think you doing playing the way you're playing

@abraker: why do u think rvs is over? I agree with ya but I'd like to see what you're saying

Lincolm wrote: 2x5543

As abraker and Hika scum-read Zekks also, I would like you guys to see other players as I don't think Zekks is scum for now. Also, you can go unvote and vote him back. It's not about the votes, but everyone seems too focused on Zekks.

You don't think he's scum, and yet you call him scummy. You're contradicting yourself there.

I think he is scummy because of fence-sitting, but it is just the way he plays this mafia game right now, either he is trolling or he has no idea what's going on. I don't see how this is coming from confidence, yet careless scum.

And why should we stop focusing on Zekks if they might be possible scum? Waiting for other players is not a valid reason for it, because even if the other players come by that doesn't mean Zekks is not scum anymore. Everybody has actually posted here, but Zexion and rEdo haven't posted enough for me to get a read on them. Still, doesn't mean I shouldn't focus on Zekks; I got my read.

Again, it seems like Zekks getting votes is bothering you too much.

Also, the fact that Zekks keeps ignoring what we say is also a big redflag.

Lincolm wrote: 2x5543

Not fully disagree about this, but I rather push him to give a content or something.

Last time Zekks got pushed all they said was "go ahead kill me that gives mafia higher chance to win" instead of trying to reason with us. Isn't that kind of a rookie mistake to do when you have a red role? You've been playing this for quite a while, so you should probably know.

jesus I forgot to copy my Last for osu! somewhere to at work I will catch up tomorrow, I don't really have time tonight to do all the stuff.

looking forward to posts from rEdo and Zexion honestly, haven't seen enough to get reads.


Also even if Zekks isn't a redname his posts don't exactly scream "pro-town" to me so I'm still entirely set on getting some info from him, obviously I'm open to let him go and follow other reads if we get any but this is defo the flavor of the day controversy for me.

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

He just latched on to you since you started being radioactive. Pointing out the bullshit stuff such as asking needless question like "So any reason why 'fuck RVS'?" is what he did. Other than that, if you can't figure out whether I think town on scum from what I wrote, then I can't figure either.

It's not bullshit when you did RVS in your previous game. Somehow you changed to "Nah, fuck RVS". It is implying you're trying to changing your play style or you have changed in 6 months.

I did not ask whether he is town or scum for you, but I asked why he is town more clearly, but you did answer this.

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

You don't think he's scum, and yet you call him scummy. You're contradicting yourself there.

I'm not contradicting myself. What am I trying to say is, he might be scum because he is ignoring all questions and doesn't do anything, but in his posts there are a lot of confidence yet carelessness that implying he is not scum. Town can trolling, can fence-sitting, can lurking, can looked scummy by anyone with any reason, but I have concluded that he is most likely (anti)town.

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

And why should we stop focusing on Zekks if they might be possible scum? Waiting for other players is not a valid reason for it, because even if the other players come by that doesn't mean Zekks is not scum anymore. Everybody has actually posted here, but Zexion and rEdo haven't posted enough for me to get a read on them. Still, doesn't mean I shouldn't focus on Zekks; I got my read.

I'm not saying you should stop focusing Zekks. I'm trying to tell that you should consider what if Zekks is town, go back and reread the thread again or maybe bring out new content as we still have 120 hours.

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

Again, it seems like Zekks getting votes is bothering you too much.

Yes, because everyone is (going) too focused on Zekks because of his play, or maybe I'm the one who too focused right now.

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

Last time Zekks got pushed all they said was "go ahead kill me that gives mafia higher chance to win" instead of trying to reason with us. Isn't that kind of a rookie mistake to do when you have a red role? You've been playing this for quite a while, so you should probably know.

Well, in my experience, every mafias were trying to win although it was his first game, like myself. But I can see some people don't like mafia role and said "kill me please" instead "replace me" because I thought about that when got mafia role 2 years ago, yet not confidence and careless.

Sorry, a bit disconnected right now.

So what's the case on Zekks? Besides their bold claim about mafia to fear them which is pretty null right now. In any case, after a statement like that I definitely wouldn't lynch them today.

Hika wrote: 2p2929

I'm willing to stand my ground on voting an anti town but anti town > scum so we need to get off zekks a bit.

oooh what? Pretty sure we win if we go the other way. A player may be anti-town, but still town after all.

Hika wrote: 2p2929

There's no point in letting Zekks go off easy so pressure him harder to see what he's all about.
@Zekks: what da fuck u think you doing playing the way you're playing

Maybe it's just me, but if Zekks really meant what he wrote (and it was not some funny rvs stuff) then there's not much more to explain. I totally agree with the second phrase tho.

Hika wrote: 2p2929

@abraker: why do u think rvs is over? I agree with ya but I'd like to see what you're saying

Looks like a critical reading question, "Why do you think this character you don't care about in some dumb book is doing this thing?"

Hika wrote: 2p2929

p.s. RVS is over imo

That's the only thing I reading regards to thinking rvs is over. Please quote whatever I said that might imply I think rvs is over. Do note it doesn't mean I never implied it, but I do want explicit text to make my life easier.

you: "So what do you think about it?"

me: "Takes too long"

you: "The new flatscreen?"

me: "oh..."

Pretty much me everyday. Now let's be explicit here.

Lincolm wrote: 2x5543

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

He just latched on to you since you started being radioactive. Pointing out the bullshit stuff such as asking needless question like "So any reason why 'fuck RVS'?" is what he did. Other than that, if you can't figure out whether I think town on scum from what I wrote, then I can't figure either.

It's not bullshit when you did RVS in your previous game. Somehow you changed to "Nah, fuck RVS". It is implying you're trying to changing your play style or you have changed in 6 months.

What if I told you that I vote knowing I will likely regret the decision later? I vote when I am able to justify my vote since at least last game. Last time I voted Dawnsday as soon as soon as I had justification to vote, which was his mason crap. This time I am hesitant to vote zekks due to me being wrong about Dawnsday last game. This is why rvs sucks even if you can justify your reasons.

Although it is debatable whether zekks caused rvs to be over. Oh there is the answer to Hika's question, which might or might not be following up on something I previously said. Although I am almost sure it's a follow up on something I said due to "I agree with ya but I'd like to see what you're saying". Will wait for the reply I guess.


To whoever wants my history, here are my first, second, and third games I played. The previous game was my fourth.

https://forums.tuuba.moe/viewtopic.php?id=3
https://forums.tuuba.moe/viewtopic.php?id=137
https://forums.tuuba.moe/viewtopic.php?id=161

Calm down Jesus fuck I thought when you said fuck RVS you were stating it in a way you thought it was over
is okay just calm your nerves

Also Zex, when i said anti town > scum, I meant it as a way like "sure he's anti town to me right now but I'd rather not vote for his lynch when we could be scum hunting"

hope that clears it up.

oh shit I'm so slow I forgot we have possible PRs
Slow your role bros, zekks could be a PR and doing it wrong

Zexion wrote: 11654m

Sorry, a bit disconnected right now.

So what's the case on Zekks? Besides their bold claim about mafia to fear them which is pretty null right now. In any case, after a statement like that I definitely wouldn't lynch them today.

zekks didn't respond properly to Lincolm here

zekks also didn't respond to me here

And a couple dodgy posts by zekks: p/6177776


@Lincolm
Also now that I look at it, why did you ask zekks about John twice here, WHICH YOU JOKED BACK, ACKNOWLEDGING THE ANSWER. Like what the fuck, man? Maybe that's why zekks didn't bother answering that one properly in particular?

Hika wrote: 2p2929

Calm down Jesus fuck I thought when you said fuck RVS you were stating it in a way you thought it was over
is okay just calm your nerves

I try not to be angry, and sorry if it looked like so. Same with the content in this and future messages, pretend thet any "angry" text is emphasis. My tone might get like this due to irl events.

ok im sensitive pls be kind

yea we have a while till we have to decide on a lynch so lets drag it out and start analyzing for real

Back, catching up.

rEdo wrote: p3f2b

[ - Zekks - ] wrote: 4w4v2y

I would reconsider my vote, but I don't know to vote for

I might vote for Foxtrot, since she is trying to pin everyone on Lincolm, but that seems kinda weak, but I'll still hold onto that

Or I can change my vote to Lincolm, because Foxtrot has decent amount of evidence to the fact that Lincolm could be the mafia

What do you mean by decent?

What worries me, is the fact that he ignored my question. That was a try to fish out why is he just parrotting the two most active guys. He is either a newb townie that does not really know what is going on, or scum pretending to be one.

[ - Zekks - ] wrote: 4w4v2y

As long as I'm still alive, no mafia can't stop me

What the hell is this?

[ - Zekks - ] wrote: 4w4v2y

I'm just confused, I'm too lazy to look over things asdf. If I die the mafia will have a higher chance of living, so if you decide to kill me off, good luck!

Until this post I thought Zekks was scum, but now I'm somewhat convinced he's just a townie that doesn't give a darn.

Lincolm and Foxtrot 1v1-ish quarrel makes me think they both are town. Zexion is as null as ever, same goes for Hika. Dawnsy goes with analysis over scumhunting, but that's usual for him. Not sure how to read john yet.

Let's try this way.

Unvote
Vote: abraker

Who's scum and why Zekks?

oh and back to work, I might check the thread in 2-3 hours or so.

rEdo wrote: p3f2b

Until this post I thought Zekks was scum, but now I'm somewhat convinced he's just a townie that doesn't give a darn.

someone understands! no fucks were given today

If you don't give a fuck, why do you even bother playing? If you're town, you might ask for a replacement if you don't want to scumhunt with us. I know this might sound like a neckbeardish thing to say, but we're here to actually play the game, not just chill. A mafia game is somewhat a commitment.

Zekks play is anti town but I think he's just a bit clueless. I'm gonna drop it for now but if we turn up nothing I'm going to go for a policy lynch.

unvote

Will post later

[ - Zekks - ] wrote: 4w4v2y

rEdo wrote: p3f2b

Until this post I thought Zekks was scum, but now I'm somewhat convinced he's just a townie that doesn't give a darn.

someone understands! no fucks were given today

then leave and stop being a troll. or actually start playing the game seriously. i suggest you to look back in the previous threads and try to get a general idea of how it works. hell, this is my first time playing mafia in YEARS and look, i am trying to be a decent player here because i know that mafia can be time consuming, and i certainly don't want to be a waste of time like you're being right now. you're being extremely rude right now to play who actually want to play this game. and even if this is your way to play scum or whatever, it's a dumb one. i can't believe i voted you trying to get a reaction out of you. now i know this is all too pointless. yeah, i sound angry, because you're wasting our time when there could be ACTUAL content going on.

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I don't think RVS is over, but we're at the brink of it. I can say that Zekks and Lincolm caused a chain of reaction, but there's simply not enough content yet for it to be over since it's established by now that Zekks, is... well...

Hika wrote: 2p2929

oh shit I'm so slow I forgot we have possible PRs
Slow your role bros, zekks could be a PR and doing it wrong

yeah, we do have PRs, but what makes you think Zekks is one and not just vanilla? Just chance?

I still don't get why we should back off from Zekks if he's scum, like Hika and Lincolm are suggesting. Sure, there's not enough content, but does it really matter if there's enough evidence that shows Zekks having higher chances of scum instead of town? I'd like to see more content from Zexion and John, as well

I actually catch a hint of Zekks possibly being PR because of his "lynch me and mafia have a higher chance" post. It just seems that something a noob with a power role would say, could be entirely wrong but it's 100% a possibility in my mind and one that wouldn't shock me if it were to be true.

Also +1 to Foxtrot's point about John and Zexion needing to post more content. It's hard to get reads on people who don't converse

Sorry, I will have busied by school and work + Dota 2 The International this week, but I will search time to post each day.

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

What if I told you that I vote knowing I will likely regret the decision later? I vote when I am able to justify my vote since at least last game. Last time I voted Dawnsday as soon as soon as I had justification to vote, which was his mason crap. This time I am hesitant to vote zekks due to me being wrong about Dawnsday last game. This is why rvs sucks even if you can justify your reasons.

Dully noted.

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

@Lincolm
Also now that I look at it, why did you ask zekks about John twice here and here? You got your "joke" response from from zekks here, WHICH YOU JOKED BACK, ACKNOWLEDGING THE ANSWER. Like what the fuck, man? Maybe that's why zekks didn't bother answering that one properly in particular?

Because I didn't assume he would have the same reason or same respond. As I said before, the first respond I specially consider it because maybe Zekks thought it was RVS stage, so he went " idc e e e e e". Then there was like more 10-15 posts and more contents to discuss so I would really like his opinions about everyone when he was active, but he still go "i go sha la la la la". I asked about John again because Zekks already gave his opinion about me and Foxtrot, the other one who involved was John but he didn't say anything about him, so I asked about John to Zekks again.

I agree I asked too many things without span of time at there, tho. I should wait.

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

yeah, we do have PRs, but what makes you think Zekks is one and not just vanilla? Just chance?

I don't want to discuss this because it achieves nothing except who or what is PR or not. We should do and act as our alignment regardless our power.

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

I still don't get why we should back off from Zekks if he's scum, like Hika and Lincolm are suggesting. Sure, there's not enough content, but does it really matter if there's enough evidence that shows Zekks having higher chances of scum instead of town?

Because if you discuss anything about him, you are going to achieve nothing about him (he won't respond seriously), especially if he is going to flip as town, you're going to hurt town.

I'm not saying we should let him free, tho. Let him go for 72 hours maybe. If you still read him as scum, try to convince us why is he scum again.

He is town for me. He is waaaaaaaay too confidence. I have no idea how to pull information from him, but I hate policy lynch also.

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Unvote
Vote : abraker because PoE (L-3)

Lincolm wrote: 2x5543

, but I hate policy lynch also.

Why? If he's not commited to reading he's going to hurt town in the long run. It's not FUN to policy lynch rest assured I'd rather the idea was never even conceived but honestly.

I agree we shouldnt straight call it a day here and lynch but it should 100% be an option for us moving forward.

Lincolm wrote: 2x5543

Vote :abraker because PoE

... that's it? Really? Why start the PoE with abraker?

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

Lincolm wrote: 2x5543

Vote :abraker because PoE

... that's it? Really? Why start the PoE with abraker?

Who would you start start with?

who would you rather start with*

Honestly, I don't know. Is PoE any efficient?

There isn't much else to work with right now so I say it's a good option.

Also, I agree with everyone else, if we get nowhere by the end of the mafia day, just lynch Zekks, because there is a 2/9 chance we can be lynching scum, and it's better to lynch someone than not lynch anyone at all.