don't play ESO expecting another TES game. It's still an MMO at the end of the day, hence why classes are a thing. Also, I don't know what you're talking about here

it really shoehorns you into using a certain playstyle for a specified race, class or weapon. Having a few classes like "Dragon knight" and "shadow archer" or whatever they are called ignores what's good about the single player games.

first of all, we're still talking about an MMO, not a single player game. second of all, ESO doesn't exactly force you to stick to your class. in fact, the classes are really vague for a reason, so they're much easier to hybrid

You could play as a monk who plays unarmoured and supplements hand to hand skills with restoration and alteration, or you could play as a mage archer who uses conjuration and illusion to distract your enemies while you sneak in the background shooting arrows, and so on.

you can do all of those things in ESO??

In ESO, all that is lost in favour of having a few contrived class archetypes - if you're a certain race you must use x weapon or you won't get any benefits, different types of armour give arbitrary bonuses to different playstyles, et cetera.

i don't know how the system worked when it was launched at first, but I can tell you that's not the thing anymore. I'm an Argonian and I'm using both two handed and restorations staffs with ease. Race doesn't impact your gameplay at all, unless you choose a race that benefits your class/skills.

You can't even use certain skills if you're not the right class. And don't say that classes are necessary, Runescape doesn't have any classes.

I have to agree with Dulcet here, the main reason the game gets so much flak is either from people that came into the game expecting an Elder Scrolls 6 rather than an MMORPG or from people throwing around outdated information that is no longer true (the state of the game at launch vs. today is vastly different, it is much better now)

The problem isn't that it's not ES6, the problem is that it doesn't even make an attempt of having the spirit of those games. As far as I'm concerned, it's just a generic MMO set in Tamriel.

What exactly do you mean by "spirit" of those games?
I'd say the game offers a lot more gameplay freedom than most other MMOs out there, you can explore every zone right from the start and aren't locked out of things because of level requirements or anything like that. If you're that much against the concept of classes I guess it's hard to convince you, but from a balance perspective they make sense.

B1rd wrote: 4w393k

You can't even use certain skills if you're not the right class. And don't say that classes are necessary, Runescape doesn't have any classes.

Runescape is very unique as an MMORPG though, it's not really something you should compare to other MMOs

There are heaps of things that I could go into, but I'm not going to go into an exhaustive comparison because it's been a while since I've played ESO and I don't particularly feel like doing a lot of research just for the sake of this argument. But suffice to say, it's fundamentally different in a lot of ways, like the class system and the gameplay reliance on all of these class/weapon/race specific hotkey spamming. Just because it's an MMO, doesn't mean that it has have all of the tropes of all other MMOs and forsake what made the TES games popular. It's just lazy game design. I could come up with something that could work in an MMO yet stayed true to the typical skills-based system the other TES games have.

DaddyCoolVipper wrote: 4p47

Runescape is very unique as an MMORPG though, it's not really something you should compare to other MMOs

The whole point of my argument is that ESO is just like other MMOs, but Runescape is an example showing that there is no law of nature that says you have to design an MMO a certain way. ESO may be fine for people who already flip between 5 other MMOs, but it has no resemblance to the Elder Scrolls games and nothing to offer people who play them.

I haven't seen much about the game, but as far as I'm aware they did some heavy work on it since it had that shambles of a release. Maybe it's a decent game now, like Heroes of the Storm managed to be with the release of 2.0 and months of great updates.

Personally not interested in ESO since the Elder Scrolls world doesn't fascinate me, but yeah. It sounds like most of your criticisms come from a class system existing, which is there for two reasons- balance, and to keep the traditional RPG fantasy that has existed since the earliest pen+paper RPGs.

Mention runescape, daddycoolvipper comes

aqworlds

shut the fuck up Spain

Fuck me Daddy

Klocuch12 wrote: 6h432u

Mention runescape, daddycoolvipper comes

DaddyCoolVipper wrote: 4p47

Personally not interested in ESO since the Elder Scrolls world doesn't fascinate me, but yeah. It sounds like most of your criticisms come from a class system existing, which is there for two reasons- balance, and to keep the traditional RPG fantasy that has existed since the earliest pen+paper RPGs.

I don't think you have enough of a grasp of either ESO or the Elder Scrolls games to comment.

Funny thing with Runescape though, I hearing that lots of people got permabanned because they protested some LGBT pride event.

B1rd wrote: 4w393k

I don't think you have enough of a grasp of either ESO or the Elder Scrolls games to comment.

To me it sounds like you haven't even played ESO since launch days and because it's such a different game now I don't think you can comment either without trying it out again

I mean, just about all of your criticism are complaints how the class system limits the gameplay variety you can have on a single character. Class systems do that fundamentally, so you're complaining about the class system existing.

I understand Elder Scrolls games have often allowed a lot of freedom in what your character does, but let's be honest, they encourage speccing into a single style too- just with less punishment in order to be nice to people who over-build their characters. I.e. you get talent points (or whatever) per level, and the time between levels gets slower and slower, meaning you find it harder and harder to branch out as you build up your character's skills.

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

To me it sounds like you haven't even played ESO since launch days and because it's such a different game now I don't think you can comment either without trying it out again

I played ESO like 4 months ago, and unless they overhauled the game from scratch I know what I'm talking about.

Also the people who got banned for protesting were the ones who spammed bigoted shit or roleplayed as KKK while spamming racism etc.

Every single person who said that they'd been unfairly banned were proven wrong, with evidence. Any self-respecting community would've banned those people; the ingame event wasn't even anything special at all. 6 ingame floor tiles total where you go around the world and collect colours for a leprechaun's rainbow-coloured scarf.

People threw mega autistic tantrums and wrote up a bunch of anti-LGBT shit accusing Jagex of "shoving politics down their throats, unpolled!!". When the event actually happened in game, nobody cared about it, and it made all the "protesters" look like the bunch of complete idiots that they are.

B1rd wrote: 4w393k

Funny thing with Runescape though, I hearing that lots of people got permabanned because they protested some LGBT pride event.

Yes, because they dressed up as KKK , said shit like "We pay, we say, no fags, no gays" and other horrifically awful stuff.
This was all because of a rainbow colored scarf.

Awful fuckin' community.

B1rd wrote: 4w393k

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

To me it sounds like you haven't even played ESO since launch days and because it's such a different game now I don't think you can comment either without trying it out again

I played ESO like 4 months ago, and unless they overhauled the game from scratch I know what I'm talking about.

Then I literally never encountered any of the problems that you have said because I optimize in two-handed swords and restoration staffs with ease, and I have no problem switching from evasion tank to healer and sometimes ranged DPS when needed during a dungeon. I have never felt like the game was forcing me to stick to one class/weapon. So I don't know if you're just projecting or if you just haven't played enough to get enough skill points where you can really branch out. Also, most armor specializes in Health/Stamina/Magicka and their extra effects usually are Physical/Magical penetration and strengthening certain Enchantments (and other obvious ones like extra gold/XP etc) but I have literally never seen an armor that specializes in only ONE class.

Funny thing with Runescape though, I hearing that lots of people got permabanned because they protested some LGBT pride event.

I'm pretty sure Runescape has an anti-homophobe policy in their rules and since those people broke such rules the mods had every right to ban them. Also, what happened to loving the free market and respecting the rights of companies to do whatever they wish?

I like that meme

Runescape community might be terrible at most times, but you have to it they're really really good at making memes

oh by the way, I made my own ramen broth last night and it was quite good AMA

Mahogany wrote: 4pak

Runescape community might be terrible at most times, but you have to it they're really really good at making memes

There are a few meme community titans that I very much appreciate

OSRS is king, EVE Online is queen, Hearthstone and WoW are the prince and princess

DaddyCoolVipper wrote: 4p47

I mean, just about all of your criticism are complaints how the class system limits the gameplay variety you can have on a single character. Class systems do that fundamentally, so you're complaining about the class system existing.

I understand Elder Scrolls games have often allowed a lot of freedom in what your character does, but let's be honest, they encourage speccing into a single style too- just with less punishment in order to be nice to people who over-build their characters. I.e. you get talent points (or whatever) per level, and the time between levels gets slower and slower, meaning you find it harder and harder to branch out as you build up your character's skills.

That why I said you don't have much grasp on my argument or the game. I'm not particularly against a class system existing, every ES game except Skyrim has had a class system (the ES games have progressively been dumbed down). The problem is with how the particular class system works and how skills are implemented in the game.

DaddyCoolVipper wrote: 4p47

People threw mega autistic tantrums and wrote up a bunch of anti-LGBT shit accusing Jagex of "shoving politics down their throats, unpolled!!". When the event actually happened in game, nobody cared about it, and it made all the "protesters" look like the bunch of complete idiots that they are.

Is "LGBT" your trigger word to take sides on any issue? The community was definitely overwhelmingly against such a thing, it was just a, if I may be permitted to use the word, toxic incursion of political agenda into a game that people play as a means of escapism. And when is became apparent that the community didn't want it? And this is Reddit, one of the most left-wing mainstream sites on the internet.

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

I'm pretty sure Runescape has an anti-homophobe policy in their rules and since those people broke such rules the mods had every right to ban them. Also, what happened to loving the free market and respecting the rights of companies to do whatever they wish?

Just because I respect someone's right to do something, doesn't mean I agree with it.

So I suppose that if you don't the forced incursion of political agenda into entertainment media you're a homophobe right? Things like this are perfectly fine? https://puu.sh/wDQmR/4c1577378b.webm

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

oh by the way, I made my own ramen broth last night and it was quite good AMA

How'd you make it? I make beef bone broth occasionally which is really good. Never made some homemade ramen though.

"It's about politics being pushed into videogames guys we don't hate LGBT people"

B1rd wrote: 4w393k

And this is Reddit, one of the most left-wing mainstream sites on the internet.

haha nice copypaste argument you forgot to even edit it properly

Reddit is anything but left wing anyway

i spoke to mod wolf in GG teamspeak back in the day and he definitely takes it in the batty so i bet the office was awkward that morning

B1rd wrote: 4w393k

Is "LGBT" your trigger word to take sides on any issue? The community was definitely overwhelmingly against such a thing, it was just a, if I may be permitted to use the word, toxic incursion of political agenda into a game that people play as a means of escapism. And when is became apparent that the community didn't want it? And this is Reddit, one of the most left-wing mainstream sites on the internet.

it was a tiny, 6-tile-total (across the entire f2p map) event about a leprechaun wanting a scarf that expresses himself. there weren't even any direct references to homosexuality or anything like that, all the text was just basically say "be true to yourself as a person", which is what gay pride is all about (as well as resisting oppression and such, but guess what? that wasn't part of the runescape event)


It was one of the least political, universally agreeable things that you could have, and yet a big subset of the community rose up and had a whole lot of bigoted shit to say (which is against the rules)


also

B1rd wrote: 4w393k

And this is Reddit, one of the most left-wing mainstream sites on the internet.

imagine believing this, lmao

DaddyCoolVipper wrote: 4p47

B1rd wrote: 4w393k

And this is Reddit, one of the most left-wing mainstream sites on the internet.

imagine believing this, lmao

>being so biased that even Reddit is "right-wing"" to you

B1rd wrote: 4w393k

So I suppose that if you don't the forced incursion of political agenda into entertainment media you're a homophobe right? Things like this are perfectly fine? https://puu.sh/wDQmR/4c1577378b.webm

The production company chose that dialogue and it's not like they're forcing you to watch their dub either. Not saying that I agree with it (and the dub felt so forced I almost thought it was a joke), but it's not like I have no option but to watch this.

I don't think that running around spamming homophobic slurs because of an OPTIONAL quest is an appropriate response, either. Who even said that this LGBT event was forced on anybody?

How'd you make it? I make beef bone broth occasionally which is really good. Never made some homemade ramen though.

I bought the noodles. I didn't have any bones on me so I cooked some beef and used its drippings as broth instead (and I felt like screwing around so I added some bacon in there; I was worried it'd be too fatty but it was quite perfect actually). As for the paste, I used miso.

B1rd wrote: 4w393k

>being so biased that even Reddit is "right-wing"" to you

are you actually so dense that you can't understand the concept of different subreddits having different communities?

what, is the_donald too leftist for you?

Left-wing by american standards, maybe, but the american left-wing is still right-wing. Liberals are NOT left-wing.

Reddit as a whole is disgustingly right-wing outside of a few good communities like SRS, SAS, Circlebroke2 and Latestagecapitalism.

ara do u do mealprepsunday? i should really start cooking actual food instead of mcdonalds everyday but i can make toast and pasta max

The meal prep thing seems really smart for conserving money and staying healthy, but I wouldn't want to go through the effort of cooking a week's worth of food in one day. Fridges have limited space too obvs

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

I bought the noodles. I didn't have any bones on me so I cooked some beef and used its drippings as broth instead (and I felt like screwing around so I added some bacon in there; I was worried it'd be too fatty but it was quite perfect actually). As for the paste, I used miso.

I'd definitely recommend bone broth - if you get some bones, add some vinegar, and simmer if for a number of hours, it extracts the collagen from the bones, making the broth very thick and delicious, and it turns to jelly in the fridge. It's also supposedly very good for you. If there's too much fat, you can just put it in the fridge and take the fat of the top when it's cold.

DaddyCoolVipper wrote: 4p47

are you actually so dense that you can't understand the concept of different subreddits having different communities?

what, is the_donald too leftist for you?

Do you understand the concept of something as a whole? Go to any "neutral" subreddt, /r/politics, /r/australia, it's overwhelmingly left-wing. The true right right-wing subreddits are few and far between, that is, if they're not outright banned. Even the "right-wing" subreddits are affected by left-wing influence. Compare /r/the_donald to /pol/, or /r/libertarian to /liberty/

DaddyCoolVipper wrote: 4p47

The meal prep thing seems really smart for conserving money and staying healthy, but I wouldn't want to go through the effort of cooking a week's worth of food in one day. Fridges have limited space too obvs

i was thinking of doing it sunday and wednesday🤔

B1rd wrote: 4w393k

Do you understand the concept of something as a whole? Go to any "neutral" subreddt, /r/politics, /r/australia, it's overwhelmingly left-wing. The true right right-wing subreddits are few and far between, that is, if they're not outright banned. Even the "right-wing" subreddits are affected by left-wing influence. Compare /r/the_donald to /pol/, or /r/libertarian to /liberty/

what are you even talking about. "neutral subreddits"? there isn't such a thing, everyone with half a brain understands that each subreddits' community will have its own preferences and biases. you seriously expect to go to r/politics and find a 100% even split from all areas of the political spectrum? I bet you wouldn't even want that


"compare the_donald to /pol/"- guess what, different websites have different communities too. What A Shock

lol wrote: k2335

DaddyCoolVipper wrote: 4p47

The meal prep thing seems really smart for conserving money and staying healthy, but I wouldn't want to go through the effort of cooking a week's worth of food in one day. Fridges have limited space too obvs

i was thinking of doing it sunday and wednesday🤔

that sounds pretty okay actually

make basic stuff and you'd be totally gucci

DaddyCoolVipper wrote: 4p47

what are you even talking about. "neutral subreddits"? there isn't such a thing, everyone with half a brain understands that each subreddits' community will have its own preferences and biases. you seriously expect to go to r/politics and find a 100% even split from all areas of the political spectrum? I bet you wouldn't even want that


"compare the_donald to /pol/"- guess what, different websites have different communities too. What A Shock

What point are you trying to make? I understand that every community is different, and I'm pointing out that, as a whole, Reddit is very left-wing.

you obviously do NOT understand that every community is different, considering you used your implication that "reddit is one of the most left-wing sites on the internet" as evidence that people in general were very against the gay pride event (that's what the poll was for, as you know)

you're using an irrelevant piece of information (reddit's political leanings OVERALL) in your argument (r/2007scape's poll shows that most osrs players were against the event) to make it seem more credible

that's dishonest bullshit

lol wrote: k2335

ara do u do mealprepsunday? i should really start cooking actual food instead of mcdonalds everyday but i can make toast and pasta max

nah, since I get basic ingredients and make different types of food throughout the entire week instead. It seems to me mealprepsunday is a good idea for people who want to save money and time, but since I really enjoy cooking I don't mind spending max. 2 hours prepping one single meal (I cook for myself and my bf), and moneywise I'm already saving by buying ingredients that can be used in everything.

I'd definitely recommend bone broth - if you get some bones, add some vinegar, and simmer if for a number of hours, it extracts the collagen from the bones, making the broth very thick and delicious, and it turns to jelly in the fridge. It's also supposedly very good for you. If there's too much fat, you can just put it in the fridge and take the fat of the top when it's cold.

I would have done bone instead but I didn't feel like going out and buy some since it was already pretty late. I already know how to make bone broth but I'm glad you posted how anyways because it's definitely very useful cooking knowledge.

DaddyCoolVipper wrote: 4p47

B1rd wrote: 4w393k

Do you understand the concept of something as a whole? Go to any "neutral" subreddt, /r/politics, /r/australia, it's overwhelmingly left-wing. The true right right-wing subreddits are few and far between, that is, if they're not outright banned. Even the "right-wing" subreddits are affected by left-wing influence. Compare /r/the_donald to /pol/, or /r/libertarian to /liberty/

what are you even talking about. "neutral subreddits"? there isn't such a thing, everyone with half a brain understands that each subreddits' community will have its own preferences and biases. you seriously expect to go to r/politics and find a 100% even split from all areas of the political spectrum? I bet you wouldn't even want that


"compare the_donald to /pol/"- guess what, different websites have different communities too. What A Shock

the majority of reddits s are left-leaning or left-wing, therefore the site as a whole is left-leaning

i'd suggest you read the entire exchange so you can understand the conversation, railey

Railey2 wrote: 6a2u27

the majority of reddits s are left-leaning or left-wing, therefore the site as a whole is left-leaning

by american standards, yes. But that's still right-wing.

Mahogany wrote: 4pak

Railey2 wrote: 6a2u27

the majority of reddits s are left-leaning or left-wing, therefore the site as a whole is left-leaning

by american standards, yes. But that's still right-wing.

can you two please read entire conversations instead of focusing on single bullet-points, thank you

nobody's discussing this

B1rd wrote: 4w393k

DaddyCoolVipper wrote: 4p47

are you actually so dense that you can't understand the concept of different subreddits having different communities?

what, is the_donald too leftist for you?

Do you understand the concept of something as a whole? Go to any "neutral" subreddt, /r/politics, /r/australia, it's overwhelmingly left-wing. The true right right-wing subreddits are few and far between, that is, if they're not outright banned. Even the "right-wing" subreddits are affected by left-wing influence. Compare /r/the_donald to /pol/, or /r/libertarian to /liberty/

here you did argue this

further back, you illiterate

B1rd wrote: 4w393k

Is "LGBT" your trigger word to take sides on any issue? The community was definitely overwhelmingly against such a thing, it was just a, if I may be permitted to use the word, toxic incursion of political agenda into a game that people play as a means of escapism. And when is became apparent that the community didn't want it? And this is Reddit, one of the most left-wing mainstream sites on the internet.

(picture of poll of r/2007scape showing that people voted no to the pride event)

and then you had a back and forth discussion on that point, so i commented on that. Whats the problem

I think you're just getting mad over trivialities.

good job guys, you successfully span the argument to the point where B1rd doesn't need to defend his points anymore

top quality discourse

Yeah let's get back to the original point

ESO is pretty decent.

ESO was a big waste of time.

BrokenArrow wrote: 6i5o49

ESO is pretty decent.

because of the new warden class I've been surrounded by BEAR PEOPLE please somebody send help

Let's talk about Friends

Klocuch12 wrote: 6h432u

Let's talk about Friends

I loved the show.

Klocuch12 wrote: 6h432u

Let's talk about Friends

i dont have any

DaddyCoolVipper wrote: 4p47

good job guys, you successfully span the argument to the point where B1rd doesn't need to defend his points anymore

top quality discourse

B1rd never defends his points in the first place

johnmedina999 wrote: 3r3a6s

Klocuch12 wrote: 6h432u

Let's talk about Friends

I loved the show.

Best anime of the decade

Aomi wrote: 2q6w66

Klocuch12 wrote: 6h432u

Let's talk about Friends

i dont have any

Well, I wanted to talk about Friends not friends

excuse me my little pony is the best anime of the decade

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

oh by the way, I made my own ramen broth last night and it was quite good AMA

Who did you poison this time?

Mahogany wrote: 4pak

excuse me my little pony is the best anime of the decade

Kemono Friends beats mlp in every aspect

does it have ponies?

It has anthropomorphised animals

mehhhhhhhhh

Klocuch12 wrote: 6h432u

johnmedina999 wrote: 3r3a6s

I loved the show.

Best anime of the decade

i think he meant the american version since you didn't specify which one

Oh
Umm

johnmedina999 wrote: 3r3a6s

Oh
Umm

Did we not mean this one?

nope



this one

Well, shit.

Friends > Anthropomorphic furry fap material

Japan - everything from soda cans to dragons are inexplicable sentient and have the form of a cute anime girl.

B1rd wrote: 4w393k

Japan - everything from soda cans to dragons are inexplicable sentient and have the form of a cute anime girl.

OMG SOOOO true xD

Aomi wrote: 2q6w66

jesus christ

I hope that was made behind at least 6 layers of irony

Mahogany wrote: 4pak

I hope that was made behind at least 6 layers of irony

if she's 8 I'm 5

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

Mahogany wrote: 4pak

I hope that was made behind at least 6 layers of irony

if she's 8 I'm 5

if ur 5 im rohulk

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

if she's 8 I'm 5

out of 10?
you're a 9 babe

I am a 9 year old loli

Aomi wrote: 2q6w66

You can insert multiple dicks in it

Klocuch12 wrote: 6h432u

Mahogany wrote: 4pak

excuse me my little pony is the best anime of the decade

Kemono Friends beats mlp in every aspect

i agree to the fullest yes yes yes

Meah wrote: f4f5b

respecting wahmen*

v

B1rd wrote: 4w393k

SPOILER

Friends not for lewds

friends with benefits kicks in

v

UltraHenzie wrote: 411z4m

social security tanya degurechaff

what is wrong with you

What are you talking about?

.

Raspberriel wrote: 2f96m

their posts are somehow better than 3/4 of OT

Who are you talking about?

.

"their"
I'm confused.

Raspberriel wrote: 2f96m

B1rd wrote: 4w393k

Who are you talking about?

UltraHenzie's, of course

UltraHenzie's what? He is one person, not plural, stop using wrong grammar just because you want to use gender-neutral language.

Oh boy

EDIT: sorry for being a fucking idiot all the time

B1rd wrote: 4w393k

Raspberriel wrote: 2f96m

UltraHenzie's, of course

UltraHenzie's what? He is one person, not plural, stop using wrong grammar just because you want to use gender-neutral language.

It's just substituting 'their' with a name, wyd
That makes perfect sense

I dont really get why raspberriel even responded to that obvious bait. She should think at least 1 second before posting a reply to something.

Raspberriel wrote: 2f96m

This is an online forum, not a goddamn job application essay. Shove your pretentious "oh, I HAVE to be better than you in every single way" bullshit right back where it came from.

What are you talking about? I'm not being pretentious or trying to be better than you, I'm telling you that you're using not using English correctly. If you want debase the English language with your political agenda, go to Tumblr and create all the feminist newspeak words you want. But here, this is an English-speaking forum, so speak proper English.

B1rd wrote: 4w393k

Raspberriel wrote: 2f96m

UltraHenzie's, of course

UltraHenzie's what? He is one person, not plural, stop using wrong grammar just because you want to use gender-neutral language.

MUH POLITICALLY CORRECT SINGULAR THEY

REEEEEEEEEEEE

shakespeare used it, you idiot

This fucking page lmao