They had it last year for the osu! world cup 2015 :3- Eclipse - wrote: 2n6324
This will be my first one I'll be able to watch!! And will there be banners available like for the mania tournament so we can our country?
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Team rosters hypea loli wrote: 5q3u3i
I think wiki should be updated with ed countries and their captain. It has been 7 days since registration and I have no clue if my country qualified in top 32 because there is no available info released or message saying we didn't qualify.
ETA on participating teams?
Who designed the banner?Loctav wrote: 3n5266
Wiki | Livestream
Welcome to the osu! World Cup 2016 Discussion Thread.
Here you can discuss everything related to the biggest worldwide osu! tournament.
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Loctav wrote: 3n5266
Wiki | Livestream
Welcome to the osu! World Cup 2016 Discussion Thread.
Here you can discuss everything related to the biggest worldwide osu! tournament.
Who designed the banner?
The strangest banner in World Cup history
(i was gonna post this a week ago but forgot.)Loctav wrote: 3n5266
Fair question, I would have problems figuring out a proper multiplier for it (given we use scorev2). Would it be a positive one? (it obviously makes things harder) or a negative one? (since it makes you less likely to fail.. ok weak argument)
I am not an EZ player or have much insight in this aspect, so if you have suggestions in how to design it, feel free to propose something!
(without a multiplier, it would sort of lose its tactical purpose, wouldn't it? dunno...)
It's a good question, actually. I would ideally prefer some kind of dynamic score multiplier(and i really think it should be made for every mod if scoreV2 becomes the official system), judging how difficult a map is to read/understand, but that's a bit too ambitious.
However, you should know that while EZ makes maps very hard to understand for the uninitiated, it also reduces the physical(aim/speed-wise) difficulty by a lot, and those that practice it can in most cases do better on maps with EZ on than they could without, given that they've practiced them. So having it give a positive score multiplier(or no penalty at all) would give those people a great advantage over others who don't play it on the regular, and i don't think that's the kind of skill that should be rewarded in a tournament like this.
I had trouble coming up with a reasonable multiplier for it myself, though. Using the old 0.5x multiplier wouldn't make it very useful for scoreV2 tournaments, i think. So i propose something like this:Nomod gives 700 000 for combo + 300 000 for accuracy for a max score of 1 000 000.
EZ would give 550 000 for combo + 150 000 for accuracy for a max score of 700 000.
I estimate a 95% FC to be ~850k for nomod and ~625k for EZ with the current scoreV2 accuracy dropoff rate.
Obviously the accuracy part is lowered because of the low OD in comparison, but only reduced it to half the value, as to not devalue scores with high accuracies. Accuracy on EZ is more about the big mistakes you do rather than how well you follow the music, but it can still be hard to get above 99% on very demanding maps - and i think that's where picking EZ would be most helpful. In addition, picking EZ makes it easier to spam through harder parts of a map at the expense of accuracy, so i wanted to still keep it a little rewarding.
For the combo part - EZ consistency is really, REALLY hard to attain. Using it seriously in a tournament can be very risky, so i didn't drop it that much. For a tournament based score system, i think it makes sense. Compared to the accuracy part, i think most of the score should come from your combo when using EZ.
...so that's my proposal. Everyone loves EZ plays, so giving it a chance to be used on freemod picks might be good for entertainment's sake, at least, and with this, it'd retain some tactical value as well. It might be a little late to try to implement right before OWC, and it's not that important for most players, but if it's going to be a possibility, i'd want to see it executed something like this.
I like the idea to weighten the different score portions differently when EZ is activated. Maybe this is even a viable idea for other modes (maybe?!). However, I have to agree with you that it is a little late to implement this and test this properly just in time, but given this smart idea, I will definitely think about adding EZ as possible choice for the next year.-GN wrote: 134on
(i was gonna post this a week ago but forgot.)Loctav wrote: 3n5266
Fair question, I would have problems figuring out a proper multiplier for it (given we use scorev2). Would it be a positive one? (it obviously makes things harder) or a negative one? (since it makes you less likely to fail.. ok weak argument)
I am not an EZ player or have much insight in this aspect, so if you have suggestions in how to design it, feel free to propose something!
(without a multiplier, it would sort of lose its tactical purpose, wouldn't it? dunno...)
It's a good question, actually. I would ideally prefer some kind of dynamic score multiplier(and i really think it should be made for every mod if scoreV2 becomes the official system), judging how difficult a map is to read/understand, but that's a bit too ambitious.
However, you should know that while EZ makes maps very hard to understand for the uninitiated, it also reduces the physical(aim/speed-wise) difficulty by a lot, and those that practice it can in most cases do better on maps with EZ on than they could without, given that they've practiced them. So having it give a positive score multiplier(or no penalty at all) would give those people a great advantage over others who don't play it on the regular, and i don't think that's the kind of skill that should be rewarded in a tournament like this.
Nomod gives 700 000 for combo + 300 000 for accuracy for a max score of 1 000 000.
EZ would give 550 000 for combo + 150 000 for accuracy for a max score of 700 000.
I estimate a 95% FC to be ~850k for nomod and ~625k for EZ with the current scoreV2 accuracy dropoff rate.
Obviously the accuracy part is lowered because of the low OD in comparison, but only reduced it to half the value, as to not devalue scores with high accuracies. Accuracy on EZ is more about the big mistakes you do rather than how well you follow the music, but it can still be hard to get above 99% on very demanding maps - and i think that's where picking EZ would be most helpful. In addition, picking EZ makes it easier to spam through harder parts of a map at the expense of accuracy, so i wanted to still keep it a little rewarding.
For the combo part - EZ consistency is really, REALLY hard to attain. Using it seriously in a tournament can be very risky, so i didn't drop it that much. For a tournament based score system, i think it makes sense. Compared to the accuracy part, i think most of the score should come from your combo when using EZ.
...so that's my proposal. Everyone loves EZ plays, so giving it a chance to be used on freemod picks might be good for entertainment's sake, at least, and with this, it'd retain some tactical value as well. It might be a little late to try to implement right before OWC, and it's not that important for most players, but if it's going to be a possibility, i'd want to see it executed something like this.
On other news, the participants list has been updated vastly. Check it out!
Btw, have you thought about introducing unranked maps in the mappools? This has been practiced in a number of big tournaments throughout years, and with the Loved section added I believe the maps chosen could also automatically gain that status after being picked for OWC. This could sort out some issues with maps being reused over and over plus it would give mappickers a lot more space to work with.
We are considering the usage of unranked/Loved beatmaps in higher stages, do not want to make promises in this regard however. This depends whether we are able to find suitable beatmaps that are Ranked and fit in the mappool or not. You are always free to any of our map selectors and bring them suggestions of maps you deem fitting for the OWC mappool, but try to keep it reasonable. We don't need 500 people suggesting THE BIG BLACK (again)
On other news, the list of all countries is now public. Please keep in mind that there is a rare chance that this might still change, depending on the team captain's success or failure to form a team. Obviously, if a team captain is unable to form a team in time, we will give the slot to another country that unfortunately did not make the cut this year. However, we do not expect this to happen, so consider the list of countries as sort of final, but not absolute final. (Does that make sense? I hope it does)
On other news, the list of all countries is now public. Please keep in mind that there is a rare chance that this might still change, depending on the team captain's success or failure to form a team. Obviously, if a team captain is unable to form a team in time, we will give the slot to another country that unfortunately did not make the cut this year. However, we do not expect this to happen, so consider the list of countries as sort of final, but not absolute final. (Does that make sense? I hope it does)
You should really consider doing this with other modes at least, since they all use a ton of unranked maps. I'd really appreciate it if you could retcon past world cups too, since otherwise maps such as https://osu-ppy-sh.jeuxcrack.net/b/697682&m=3 will never have a scoreboardfartownik wrote: 64d9
with the Loved section added I believe the maps chosen could also automatically gain that status after being picked for OWC. This could sort out some issues with maps being reused over and over plus it would give mappickers a lot more space to work with.
Ntiger wrote: 325p42
yes OWC is so bad because Japan isn't playing!!
wait they only got to Group Stage last year because Japanese players didn't want to play then too...
Nice meme saying OWC is bad just because of Japan.
I mean it's pretty much already known lots of teams don't get competitive players because they don't even care about OWC at this point with the mess of other years.
you must be following a different tournament than I do.Frc wrote: 4q5k58
Ntiger wrote: 325p42
yes OWC is so bad because Japan isn't playing!!
wait they only got to Group Stage last year because Japanese players didn't want to play then too...
Nice meme saying OWC is bad just because of Japan.
I mean it's pretty much already known lots of teams don't get competitive players because they don't even care about OWC at this point with the mess of other years.
here's a comprehensive list I made, hopefully it helps
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... k/pubhtml#
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/ ... k/pubhtml#
To the tournament staff:
Please, keep in mind that some teams don't have a single timezone for all of its players. This is very important.
And one more thing:
> Rescheduling after the release of the Schedule on the wiki can not be done in any circumstance.
I would like to suggest one possible exception to this rule. All conditions should be met.
Allow the rescheduling to take place if captains of both teams agree and the new time for the match is still within the same weekend. In double elimination stages the new time must not overlap / influence the time of the possible further matches.
The team availability should have a higher priority than the availability of people who livestream the matches.
Thank you.
Please, keep in mind that some teams don't have a single timezone for all of its players. This is very important.
And one more thing:
> Rescheduling after the release of the Schedule on the wiki can not be done in any circumstance.
I would like to suggest one possible exception to this rule. All conditions should be met.
Allow the rescheduling to take place if captains of both teams agree and the new time for the match is still within the same weekend. In double elimination stages the new time must not overlap / influence the time of the possible further matches.
The team availability should have a higher priority than the availability of people who livestream the matches.
Thank you.
The only issue I see with this is as soon as you introduce more wishy-washy rules like this you end up with situations where one side begrudgingly accepts a reschedule with uncertainty about whether everyone can make it (since it's at a time other than the scheduled one) but if they were to decline they would look like bad sports. Fast forward a few days, some people can't make it like they thought they could, there are arguments over who should get the free win, it all blows up because there are thousands of spectators and reddit is always hungry to turn anything into a major drama.Kert wrote: 6o3b5i
To the tournament staff:
Please, keep in mind that some teams don't have a single timezone for all of its players. This is very important.
And one more thing:
> Rescheduling after the release of the Schedule on the wiki can not be done in any circumstance.
I would like to suggest one possible exception to this rule. All conditions should be met.
Allow the rescheduling to take place if captains of both teams agree and the new time for the match is still within the same weekend. In double elimination stages the new time must not overlap / influence the time of the possible further matches.
The team availability should have a higher priority than the availability of people who livestream the matches.
Thank you.
TL;DR: Sounds like a good idea but in practice there are a lot of ways it can blow up.
We are not altering the scheduling rules, especially not to what you proposed, because it backfired at minimum 6 times in the course of 2 years when we did exactly that.
Team availability or availability of people to stream the stuff has no input in scheduling. Scheduling happens solely around the intention to give everyone a suitable time to play. We are not allowing rescheduling, because if one team requests it, all teams request it and then we have OWC#2 all over again, where one team never makes it to the Grand Finals, because they constantly want to reschedule - or TWC#3 where one bunch of teams was kind enough to make arrangements to attend to the matches, whereas other people felt like they have to reschedule just because they can't get ther ass up out of bed before midday.
Team availability or availability of people to stream the stuff has no input in scheduling. Scheduling happens solely around the intention to give everyone a suitable time to play. We are not allowing rescheduling, because if one team requests it, all teams request it and then we have OWC#2 all over again, where one team never makes it to the Grand Finals, because they constantly want to reschedule - or TWC#3 where one bunch of teams was kind enough to make arrangements to attend to the matches, whereas other people felt like they have to reschedule just because they can't get ther ass up out of bed before midday.
On other news, all rosters are now complete!
I am excited to see how these teams will play in this year's competition. Keep in mind that the drawings will take place on Friday, 4. November 2016 at 12:00 UTC+0 on the osulive twitch.tv channel. After the drawings, we will showcase the mappool for Group Stage. The schedules for Group Stage will be released on Sunday, as always.
I am excited to see how these teams will play in this year's competition. Keep in mind that the drawings will take place on Friday, 4. November 2016 at 12:00 UTC+0 on the osulive twitch.tv channel. After the drawings, we will showcase the mappool for Group Stage. The schedules for Group Stage will be released on Sunday, as always.
Made a few tables to do with team pp averages and top 4 pp averages if anyone's interested. https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B8R1J30WdQJ1THFpQlJmRkR2b3M/view
Regardless of the scheduling I think based on the previous world cup, the tournament manager has did well in scheduling the game, I rarely see (or never) the match outside their usual biological sleep and wake cycle. I hope this year scheduling will go well againLoctav wrote: 3n5266
We are not altering the scheduling rules, especially not to what you proposed, because it backfired at minimum 6 times in the course of 2 years when we did exactly that.
Team availability or availability of people to stream the stuff has no input in scheduling. Scheduling happens solely around the intention to give everyone a suitable time to play. We are not allowing rescheduling, because if one team requests it, all teams request it and then we have OWC#2 all over again, where one team never makes it to the Grand Finals, because they constantly want to reschedule - or TWC#3 where one bunch of teams was kind enough to make arrangements to attend to the matches, whereas other people felt like they have to reschedule just because they can't get ther ass up out of bed before midday.
Is it possible to change the skin to a different one than the default? Sole fact of the screen being split in 8 parts makes following the games hard, adding the default skin with all the lights, 300s etc to that makes for even more confusion. Also you can't really notice *why* someone missed on a map with the current skin, you can only see briefly where, but not in what circumstances.
I agree. At the MINIMUM, remove the 300's on the screen. it would make it obvious where the misses, 50s, and 100s are.fartownik wrote: 64d9
Is it possible to change the skin to a different one than the default? Sole fact of the screen being split in 8 parts makes following the games hard, adding the default skin with all the lights, 300s etc to that makes for even more confusion. Also you can't really notice *why* someone missed on a map with the current skin, you can only see briefly where, but not in what circumstances.
Alternatively just include an animated version of the regular 300s with a higher animation framerate so that they aren't all over the place.Minhtam wrote: h445w
I agree. At the MINIMUM, remove the 300's on the screen. it would make it obvious where the misses, 50s, and 100s are.fartownik wrote: 64d9
Is it possible to change the skin to a different one than the default? Sole fact of the screen being split in 8 parts makes following the games hard, adding the default skin with all the lights, 300s etc to that makes for even more confusion. Also you can't really notice *why* someone missed on a map with the current skin, you can only see briefly where, but not in what circumstances.
Since Loctav told me to post my opinions on the mappool:
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lv_ ... cHHlL8/pub
Please read all of it.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1lv_ ... cHHlL8/pub
Please read all of it.
Taking a reply from the reddit thread:
Also, freemod should be a category where a team is afraid to use a mod, not a category where mods make the maps easier to play (hi rog unlimitation and night of knights). just my two cents!
i get that old map/relatively low ar reading is important but isn't this a bit much? It's almost half the pool lolIn the past, old maps have been used as a sort of niche, unique, power pick that some teams could use to their advantage over other teams by having diverse players. When that becomes the dominant part of the map pool, the old style maps lose that unique feeling of having them as a back pocket pick and more of "which AR8 map do we pick this time".
I'm all for having old style maps in the pool, but I think the map selectors went a bit over the top with these.
Also, freemod should be a category where a team is afraid to use a mod, not a category where mods make the maps easier to play (hi rog unlimitation and night of knights). just my two cents!
I think one of the challenges with including ar8 and wanting it to be relevant is that if you don't include much of it and your matches are short enough it gets completely ignored. An important question when deg a map pool is what kind of player you want to come out on top. If you want it to be the most well rounded player then you need each map in your pool to have a large coverage as far as the skills necessary to excel on them.Ascendance wrote: 3m6q2b
Taking a reply from the reddit thread:
i get that old map/relatively low ar reading is important but isn't this a bit much? It's almost half the pool lolIn the past, old maps have been used as a sort of niche, unique, power pick that some teams could use to their advantage over other teams by having diverse players. When that becomes the dominant part of the map pool, the old style maps lose that unique feeling of having them as a back pocket pick and more of "which AR8 map do we pick this time".
I'm all for having old style maps in the pool, but I think the map selectors went a bit over the top with these.
Also, freemod should be a category where a team is afraid to use a mod, not a category where mods make the maps easier to play (hi rog unlimitation and night of knights). just my two cents!
A pool of diverse specialist picks doesn't benefit the well rounded player much because it encourages the kind of strategy that involves winning all of your own picks and either getting a lucky break point or winning the tiebreaker. This puts an enormous weight on the quality of the tiebreaker which can even further skew results in an undesired direction.
I'm not saying specialist picks are bad. You should definitely use them to round out a pool as they make things more interesting in of strategy and spectating. If you want the most rounded players to come out on top however you should tailor your pool so that specialist picks tend only be the deciding factor in close matchups.
TL;DR: I don't think having ar8 or any skill for that matter present in a majority of the maps is a huge deal as long as that set of maps featuring this skill is diverse in it's own right.
Also I think smoothie's map pool template does a pretty good job of ensuring all skills are at least present. Simply following it will give you a decent spread and skillfully applying it can give you a really good pool. The difference coming down mostly to which specific maps you pick to fill each role.
I don't know if it's just me or is it felt by another player in the tournament, but having less maps (and less bans!) in mod specific bracket making the tournament might be a bit uncomfortable in a tournament view, while the diversity of the mappool is much at a higher level (not to mention diversity is good, but having only 1 ban is pretty painful). Also imo with only 2 maps per mod specific bracket might have those map in specific bracket are in black or white zone (example on RO16 HR mappool, ymir is pretty much the "black" pick or technical pick, and the supercell map is the "white" pick or normal pick, there's no in between the "super technical" map and "normal map"). Having 3 maps in one mod specific map allows the map variety to be more interesting by putting 1 map on a "grey" zone in the mappool, or just as Smoothie World mentioned.
I don't really like the tiebreaker too, the skillset tested is too specific (AR8 + streams if I'm not wrong) in the tiebreaker (which the tiebreaker purpose should be fair to all participants a.k.a testing most of the skill possible in a balance manner, for example Playing with Fire did a great job in this). The QF tiebreaker might be the biggest issue in the mappool though.
That's all my 2 cents.
(Not to mention the map selector did a great job at group stage mappool though)
I don't really like the tiebreaker too, the skillset tested is too specific (AR8 + streams if I'm not wrong) in the tiebreaker (which the tiebreaker purpose should be fair to all participants a.k.a testing most of the skill possible in a balance manner, for example Playing with Fire did a great job in this). The QF tiebreaker might be the biggest issue in the mappool though.
That's all my 2 cents.
(Not to mention the map selector did a great job at group stage mappool though)
I think the main issue with the tiebreaker pick after reading the Q&A from Skystar about the decisions behind this mapping pool is that it was treated more as another Free Mod pick than a Tiebreaker when making the decision. While the freedom to pick mods in the Tiebreaker exists, by nature it shouldn't try to be a niche pick that forces player to play something too different/unique/uncomfortable trying to force mods to improve readabilty (not to mention this is very streamy, AR8 and high CS...it's just too niche)
As Smoothie said, it's something supposed to be fair to all players of both teams, it should include elements from all possible niches and not just one predominant aspect, both teams lives are riding on this last map and if you have a map that can clearly favor a certain skillset a team that isn't favored by it doesn't even have a chance if the other can deal with these specific skills.
As Smoothie said, it's something supposed to be fair to all players of both teams, it should include elements from all possible niches and not just one predominant aspect, both teams lives are riding on this last map and if you have a map that can clearly favor a certain skillset a team that isn't favored by it doesn't even have a chance if the other can deal with these specific skills.
(Not to mention the map selector did a great job at group stage mappool though)Didn't the group stage hava a map that players failed while holding full combos. Nothing is perfect...
HAHAHAHAHhahahahahaahHAHAHAHAHAHahahaahahahhahHAHAHAHnya10 wrote: 4d36q
Pretty sure the scheduling is not that good for them, prefering US at 8pm and China at 10am (Sunday).F D Flourite wrote: 6r1s6w
United States 10:00 am vs. China 0:00 am...
Is this match really scheduled?
That match is hard to schedule anyway. Just to take for staff consideration in the future
i haven't laughed this hard in ages
good stuff
Does anyone know why Cinia Pacifica ed SK team only to leave for mandatory military service (according to his page) and not playing in single match?
Also, dear OWC staff, can you please keep up to date with ing VODs? I always prefer to watch the mappool showcase on the day of the matches instead of live. Right now there are only RO16 VODs on twitch. Thanks!
Also, dear OWC staff, can you please keep up to date with ing VODs? I always prefer to watch the mappool showcase on the day of the matches instead of live. Right now there are only RO16 VODs on twitch. Thanks!
Last week I wanted to get a better idea how teams stacked up, so I decided to write a script to take a team's score for a map minus the average of every other team that played the map, added that together for each map and divided it by the number of plays to get an average relative score for each team. Since then I've tweaked the script in preparation for the semi finals, and also added more statistics. Here they are for anyone who's interested. I tried to be careful to check for typos, but since I entered all the data manually, there might be mistakes. The data is just for the round of 16 and Quarterfinals. Group Stage is too much work. I'll enter the Semifinals data when the matches are done. I didn't include the Raijin no Hidariude stats due to team fails.
Edit: Updated with Semifinals data.
Round of 16
Quarterfinals
Semifinals
Combined
Edit: Updated with Semifinals data.
Round of 16
SPOILER
Average Relative Score
United States: 482673
: 465651
Taiwan: 410287
Brazil: 287794
Poland: 270660
Russian Federation: 184077
South Korea: 169856
United Kingdom: 7224
Norway: -22816
China: -87556
: -120923
Canada: -237929
Italy: -396276
Australia: -462694
Finland: -522517
Argentina: -681116
Percent of Plays Above Averages
Poland: 88
United States: 83
: 83
Taiwan: 78
Russian Federation: 75
South Korea: 67
United Kingdom: 67
China: 57
Brazil: 50
Norway: 44
: 33
Australia: 29
Canada: 17
Argentina: 17
Italy: 0
Finland: 0
Simulated Head to Head Matches Win Percentage
: 100
South Korea: 91
United States: 85
Poland: 79
Taiwan: 75
Norway: 69
Brazil: 67
Russian Federation: 67
United Kingdom: 46
: 42
China: 33
Canada: 31
Australia: 14
Argentina: 13
Finland: 7
Italy: 0
Map Statistics
Answer
Average points: 2752398
Taiwan: 3617689
Australia: 2828846
Norway: 2656308
China: 1906747
AVALON
Average points: 3249579
Norway: 4068146
Taiwan: 3855546
South Korea: 3726535
United Kingdom: 3527389
United States: 3452015
: 3395229
Brazil: 3151097
: 3042284
Italy: 2931194
Canada: 2902652
Argentina: 2533670
Finland: 2409188
d:for the DELTA
Average points: 2324874
Taiwan: 2828220
Norway: 1821528
Extreme Fantasy
Average points: 2479081
Russian Federation: 2867133
Australia: 2745835
China: 2736943
Poland: 2254157
Brazil: 2214814
Finland: 2055603
Kamisama Nejimaki
Average points: 2980608
Brazil: 3823758
United States: 3554342
Poland: 3231124
Taiwan: 3045762
China: 3015639
Australia: 2970481
Russian Federation: 2717004
Norway: 2499499
Argentina: 2494612
Finland: 2453863
Kunoichi demo Koi ga Shitai
Average points: 2495430
Poland: 2945953
Russian Federation: 2607966
: 2475885
Italy: 2439937
Canada: 2269318
South Korea: 2233521
Nightmare
Average points: 2914684
: 3808286
Norway: 3580414
China: 3514309
Canada: 3290392
United States: 3050203
United Kingdom: 3043510
Taiwan: 2933506
: 2411144
Australia: 1817382
Argentina: 1697697
Poinsettia
Average points: 2379255
Norway: 2993495
Taiwan: 2378750
: 2099860
United Kingdom: 2044914
History
Average points: 3389909
Brazil: 4389625
Russian Federation: 3797044
Poland: 3596448
Finland: 2938028
: 2933839
Canada: 2684472
Renbei no Searchlight
Average points: 3140604
: 3463733
South Korea: 3346248
Poland: 3274392
Canada: 2950498
Russian Federation: 2921059
Italy: 2887695
Sakura no Uta
Average points: 3253777
Taiwan: 3620025
Russian Federation: 3478468
Poland: 3453364
Norway: 2463252
Sins -Kokoro no Tsumi-
Average points: 3929931
: 4767688
United States: 4737414
South Korea: 4290067
Poland: 4277369
Norway: 4209978
: 4157814
Russian Federation: 4102748
Brazil: 4062098
Taiwan: 3921435
Canada: 3816891
China: 3802332
Australia: 3771279
Finland: 3475785
United Kingdom: 3248132
Argentina: 3136169
Italy: 3101703
sola
Average points: 2549892
: 2949917
United Kingdom: 2774794
South Korea: 2375924
Italy: 2098934
Wizdomiot
Average points: 2955702
: 3484609
United Kingdom: 3378981
South Korea: 3328436
Argentina: 3090887
Finland: 2867332
Brazil: 2842167
United States: 2830612
Italy: 2797733
China: 2497363
Australia: 2438895
Ymir
Average points: 2775368
United States: 3794579
Poland: 3275082
Russian Federation: 3174170
Taiwan: 3037180
China: 2902595
Norway: 2572090
Argentina: 2147968
Australia: 1299276
United States: 482673
: 465651
Taiwan: 410287
Brazil: 287794
Poland: 270660
Russian Federation: 184077
South Korea: 169856
United Kingdom: 7224
Norway: -22816
China: -87556
: -120923
Canada: -237929
Italy: -396276
Australia: -462694
Finland: -522517
Argentina: -681116
Percent of Plays Above Averages
Poland: 88
United States: 83
: 83
Taiwan: 78
Russian Federation: 75
South Korea: 67
United Kingdom: 67
China: 57
Brazil: 50
Norway: 44
: 33
Australia: 29
Canada: 17
Argentina: 17
Italy: 0
Finland: 0
Simulated Head to Head Matches Win Percentage
: 100
South Korea: 91
United States: 85
Poland: 79
Taiwan: 75
Norway: 69
Brazil: 67
Russian Federation: 67
United Kingdom: 46
: 42
China: 33
Canada: 31
Australia: 14
Argentina: 13
Finland: 7
Italy: 0
Map Statistics
Answer
Average points: 2752398
Taiwan: 3617689
Australia: 2828846
Norway: 2656308
China: 1906747
AVALON
Average points: 3249579
Norway: 4068146
Taiwan: 3855546
South Korea: 3726535
United Kingdom: 3527389
United States: 3452015
: 3395229
Brazil: 3151097
: 3042284
Italy: 2931194
Canada: 2902652
Argentina: 2533670
Finland: 2409188
d:for the DELTA
Average points: 2324874
Taiwan: 2828220
Norway: 1821528
Extreme Fantasy
Average points: 2479081
Russian Federation: 2867133
Australia: 2745835
China: 2736943
Poland: 2254157
Brazil: 2214814
Finland: 2055603
Kamisama Nejimaki
Average points: 2980608
Brazil: 3823758
United States: 3554342
Poland: 3231124
Taiwan: 3045762
China: 3015639
Australia: 2970481
Russian Federation: 2717004
Norway: 2499499
Argentina: 2494612
Finland: 2453863
Kunoichi demo Koi ga Shitai
Average points: 2495430
Poland: 2945953
Russian Federation: 2607966
: 2475885
Italy: 2439937
Canada: 2269318
South Korea: 2233521
Nightmare
Average points: 2914684
: 3808286
Norway: 3580414
China: 3514309
Canada: 3290392
United States: 3050203
United Kingdom: 3043510
Taiwan: 2933506
: 2411144
Australia: 1817382
Argentina: 1697697
Poinsettia
Average points: 2379255
Norway: 2993495
Taiwan: 2378750
: 2099860
United Kingdom: 2044914
History
Average points: 3389909
Brazil: 4389625
Russian Federation: 3797044
Poland: 3596448
Finland: 2938028
: 2933839
Canada: 2684472
Renbei no Searchlight
Average points: 3140604
: 3463733
South Korea: 3346248
Poland: 3274392
Canada: 2950498
Russian Federation: 2921059
Italy: 2887695
Sakura no Uta
Average points: 3253777
Taiwan: 3620025
Russian Federation: 3478468
Poland: 3453364
Norway: 2463252
Sins -Kokoro no Tsumi-
Average points: 3929931
: 4767688
United States: 4737414
South Korea: 4290067
Poland: 4277369
Norway: 4209978
: 4157814
Russian Federation: 4102748
Brazil: 4062098
Taiwan: 3921435
Canada: 3816891
China: 3802332
Australia: 3771279
Finland: 3475785
United Kingdom: 3248132
Argentina: 3136169
Italy: 3101703
sola
Average points: 2549892
: 2949917
United Kingdom: 2774794
South Korea: 2375924
Italy: 2098934
Wizdomiot
Average points: 2955702
: 3484609
United Kingdom: 3378981
South Korea: 3328436
Argentina: 3090887
Finland: 2867332
Brazil: 2842167
United States: 2830612
Italy: 2797733
China: 2497363
Australia: 2438895
Ymir
Average points: 2775368
United States: 3794579
Poland: 3275082
Russian Federation: 3174170
Taiwan: 3037180
China: 2902595
Norway: 2572090
Argentina: 2147968
Australia: 1299276
Quarterfinals
SPOILER
Average Relative Score
Brazil: 385343
Taiwan: 350750
Poland: 333484
South Korea: 259304
United States: 233448
China: 203070
United Kingdom: 101195
Canada: 95960
: -42379
Russian Federation: -45843
Norway: -66364
: -107800
Italy: -235138
Australia: -530735
Finland: -577274
Argentina: -1073376
Percent of Plays Above Averages
Poland: 100
Brazil: 89
Taiwan: 78
United States: 78
China: 71
Russian Federation: 60
South Korea: 57
United Kingdom: 56
Canada: 50
Norway: 44
: 43
: 33
Finland: 17
Italy: 0
Australia: 0
Argentina: 0
Simulated Head to Head Matches Win Percentage
China: 100
Brazil: 87
Taiwan: 86
United States: 79
Poland: 71
South Korea: 70
United Kingdom: 67
Canada: 45
Russian Federation: 45
: 38
Norway: 33
: 27
Australia: 23
Italy: 18
Finland: 7
Argentina: 0
Map Statistics
ALONE
Average points: 2629063
United Kingdom: 3399569
South Korea: 3187335
: 3162008
China: 2862071
Russian Federation: 2790510
Poland: 2726243
Norway: 2535682
Finland: 2208694
Australia: 2034759
Argentina: 1383756
boot
Average points: 2760386
Poland: 3190712
United Kingdom: 3163254
Russian Federation: 3080808
Norway: 2712932
China: 2529995
Australia: 1884614
Chinese Restaurant
Average points: 3008163
United States: 3526733
China: 3433133
Poland: 3199576
Brazil: 2992591
: 2886411
South Korea: 2705727
: 2661064
Taiwan: 2660065
Connect
Average points: 3249908
Brazil: 4075131
South Korea: 4022588
: 4001432
: 3825734
Taiwan: 3663487
Russian Federation: 2742655
Australia: 2705761
United States: 2657900
Argentina: 2404990
Finland: 2399402
Deus Ex Machina
Average points: 2609649
Taiwan: 3537424
: 3070665
Finland: 2173719
Argentina: 1656788
Go Away
Average points: 2727090
Taiwan: 3345170
South Korea: 3033489
China: 2960074
Norway: 2904958
United States: 2881244
Brazil: 2856276
Poland: 2791313
United Kingdom: 2658954
: 1938220
: 1901205
Mushikui Saikede Rhythm
Average points: 2819075
United States: 3451976
Brazil: 3412570
: 2656678
Norway: 2635887
Taiwan: 2542665
United Kingdom: 2214676
Night of Knights
Average points: 2848416
Taiwan: 3533740
Brazil: 3268920
China: 3223366
United States: 2994604
Poland: 2950068
Russian Federation: 2863280
Canada: 2778066
Australia: 2623755
Italy: 2375433
: 1872924
rog-unlimitation
Average points: 2992634
South Korea: 3974316
: 3437034
Norway: 3004067
United Kingdom: 2990863
Canada: 2950053
Italy: 2805270
Finland: 2493467
Argentina: 2286001
Scarlet Rose
Average points: 1968482
United Kingdom: 2638332
Taiwan: 2404986
Norway: 2148502
: 1789705
South Korea: 1593465
: 1235902
sense
Average points: 3456741
: 4313282
China: 4042457
United States: 3935689
Brazil: 3876586
Taiwan: 3633259
United Kingdom: 3599799
Poland: 3599084
Canada: 3487518
Italy: 3428314
: 3363310
Norway: 3168560
South Korea: 3149929
Argentina: 2436272
Finland: 2360319
Symphony Of The Night
Average points: 2806336
United States: 3319244
Brazil: 3087905
United Kingdom: 2863450
Taiwan: 2829315
Norway: 2411642
: 2326462
Yoru Naku Usagi wa Yume wo Miru
Average points: 2846936
Poland: 3885231
Canada: 3276708
Norway: 2973397
Brazil: 2903290
Australia: 2767574
Italy: 2693690
Russian Federation: 2625528
United States: 2554641
China: 2529351
United Kingdom: 2259947
Yuugure Semi Nikki
Average points: 2694569
Brazil: 2989595
Finland: 2905258
United States: 2894418
Argentina: 1989003
Brazil: 385343
Taiwan: 350750
Poland: 333484
South Korea: 259304
United States: 233448
China: 203070
United Kingdom: 101195
Canada: 95960
: -42379
Russian Federation: -45843
Norway: -66364
: -107800
Italy: -235138
Australia: -530735
Finland: -577274
Argentina: -1073376
Percent of Plays Above Averages
Poland: 100
Brazil: 89
Taiwan: 78
United States: 78
China: 71
Russian Federation: 60
South Korea: 57
United Kingdom: 56
Canada: 50
Norway: 44
: 43
: 33
Finland: 17
Italy: 0
Australia: 0
Argentina: 0
Simulated Head to Head Matches Win Percentage
China: 100
Brazil: 87
Taiwan: 86
United States: 79
Poland: 71
South Korea: 70
United Kingdom: 67
Canada: 45
Russian Federation: 45
: 38
Norway: 33
: 27
Australia: 23
Italy: 18
Finland: 7
Argentina: 0
Map Statistics
ALONE
Average points: 2629063
United Kingdom: 3399569
South Korea: 3187335
: 3162008
China: 2862071
Russian Federation: 2790510
Poland: 2726243
Norway: 2535682
Finland: 2208694
Australia: 2034759
Argentina: 1383756
boot
Average points: 2760386
Poland: 3190712
United Kingdom: 3163254
Russian Federation: 3080808
Norway: 2712932
China: 2529995
Australia: 1884614
Chinese Restaurant
Average points: 3008163
United States: 3526733
China: 3433133
Poland: 3199576
Brazil: 2992591
: 2886411
South Korea: 2705727
: 2661064
Taiwan: 2660065
Connect
Average points: 3249908
Brazil: 4075131
South Korea: 4022588
: 4001432
: 3825734
Taiwan: 3663487
Russian Federation: 2742655
Australia: 2705761
United States: 2657900
Argentina: 2404990
Finland: 2399402
Deus Ex Machina
Average points: 2609649
Taiwan: 3537424
: 3070665
Finland: 2173719
Argentina: 1656788
Go Away
Average points: 2727090
Taiwan: 3345170
South Korea: 3033489
China: 2960074
Norway: 2904958
United States: 2881244
Brazil: 2856276
Poland: 2791313
United Kingdom: 2658954
: 1938220
: 1901205
Mushikui Saikede Rhythm
Average points: 2819075
United States: 3451976
Brazil: 3412570
: 2656678
Norway: 2635887
Taiwan: 2542665
United Kingdom: 2214676
Night of Knights
Average points: 2848416
Taiwan: 3533740
Brazil: 3268920
China: 3223366
United States: 2994604
Poland: 2950068
Russian Federation: 2863280
Canada: 2778066
Australia: 2623755
Italy: 2375433
: 1872924
rog-unlimitation
Average points: 2992634
South Korea: 3974316
: 3437034
Norway: 3004067
United Kingdom: 2990863
Canada: 2950053
Italy: 2805270
Finland: 2493467
Argentina: 2286001
Scarlet Rose
Average points: 1968482
United Kingdom: 2638332
Taiwan: 2404986
Norway: 2148502
: 1789705
South Korea: 1593465
: 1235902
sense
Average points: 3456741
: 4313282
China: 4042457
United States: 3935689
Brazil: 3876586
Taiwan: 3633259
United Kingdom: 3599799
Poland: 3599084
Canada: 3487518
Italy: 3428314
: 3363310
Norway: 3168560
South Korea: 3149929
Argentina: 2436272
Finland: 2360319
Symphony Of The Night
Average points: 2806336
United States: 3319244
Brazil: 3087905
United Kingdom: 2863450
Taiwan: 2829315
Norway: 2411642
: 2326462
Yoru Naku Usagi wa Yume wo Miru
Average points: 2846936
Poland: 3885231
Canada: 3276708
Norway: 2973397
Brazil: 2903290
Australia: 2767574
Italy: 2693690
Russian Federation: 2625528
United States: 2554641
China: 2529351
United Kingdom: 2259947
Yuugure Semi Nikki
Average points: 2694569
Brazil: 2989595
Finland: 2905258
United States: 2894418
Argentina: 1989003
Semifinals
SPOILER
Average Relative Score
South Korea: 466255
United States: 272835
: 198332
United Kingdom: 152547
Taiwan: 82990
Poland: 32437
China: -55503
Russian Federation: -64173
: -72981
Brazil: -308619
Canada: -560041
Finland: -979359
Percent of Plays Above Averages
South Korea: 88
United States: 70
: 63
United Kingdom: 63
Taiwan: 63
Poland: 56
China: 50
: 50
Russian Federation: 27
Brazil: 17
Canada: 0
Finland: 0
Simulated Head to Head Matches Win Percentage
United States: 100
South Korea: 91
United Kingdom: 73
China: 64
: 64
Taiwan: 56
Poland: 45
Brazil: 33
Russian Federation: 33
: 27
Canada: 9
Finland: 0
Map Statistics
Big Brother
Average points: 2486637
United Kingdom: 2918836
Poland: 2895178
: 2759735
: 2721862
Poland: 2699469
United States: 2502266
China: 2423325
Russian Federation: 2383052
United Kingdom: 2303469
: 2127888
Canada: 2052973
Brazil: 2051595
Cyber Thunder Cider
Average points: 2660833
China: 3123339
Poland: 3024402
United Kingdom: 2993094
United States: 2981144
Poland: 2598899
United Kingdom: 2440540
Brazil: 2163468
Canada: 1961777
EOS
Average points: 2484236
United States: 3358946
: 2893356
Russian Federation: 2810335
South Korea: 2574478
Taiwan: 2559777
: 2547877
China: 2011606
Finland: 1117514
Euclid
Average points: 1849960
United States: 2318740
China: 2052596
: 1892357
United Kingdom: 1810756
Poland: 1564250
Russian Federation: 1461060
Hip Song
Average points: 2614390
United States: 3359774
: 3188579
China: 2077607
Russian Federation: 1831599
LegenD.
Average points: 2342389
South Korea: 3279611
: 3140021
United Kingdom: 2631143
Poland: 2495166
: 2404789
Brazil: 2392971
: 2346806
Taiwan: 2311871
United Kingdom: 2223987
Poland: 2188297
Russian Federation: 2166272
Canada: 2022491
: 1666714
Finland: 1523312
No More
Average points: 2696652
Poland: 3144165
United States: 3038394
Poland: 2948132
China: 2944813
United Kingdom: 2921592
: 2890439
Canada: 2038196
Finland: 1647485
Oceanus
Average points: 2183191
Russian Federation: 3380842
China: 2248476
: 1988698
: 1927524
United States: 1873551
Finland: 1680053
Piranha (Maffalda Reloaded Trap Mix)
Average points: 2621071
South Korea: 3235964
Taiwan: 2650334
United Kingdom: 2459443
Poland: 2138541
Resurrection Spell
Average points: 2576735
: 3517043
Russian Federation: 3278291
United States: 3159826
South Korea: 2906336
: 2562172
China: 2438656
United Kingdom: 2383907
: 2311782
Taiwan: 2252673
Poland: 2202191
: 2006467
Finland: 1901474
Saigo
Average points: 2854056
Taiwan: 3539232
Poland: 3337845
: 3205296
United Kingdom: 3190265
South Korea: 3167818
: 2987203
: 2795602
Brazil: 2760574
Russian Federation: 2626272
: 2502289
Canada: 2100471
Finland: 2035803
Sakura Zensen Ijou Nashi
Average points: 2744295
: 3335653
United Kingdom: 2953335
China: 2847140
United States: 2572348
: 2425857
Poland: 2331436
She Runs
Average points: 1946221
: 2160621
Russian Federation: 1731820
Streaming Heart feat. Hatsune Miku
Average points: 2499207
Poland: 2917521
United Kingdom: 2648097
United Kingdom: 2614929
Taiwan: 2542781
: 2461659
: 2425842
South Korea: 2260300
Brazil: 2122525
World Domination How-To
Average points: 3142404
South Korea: 3633240
Taiwan: 3615911
United Kingdom: 3328930
: 3312262
: 3241554
: 2983306
Poland: 2532354
Russian Federation: 2491678
Yotogibanashi no Kamikakushi
Average points: 2793293
United Kingdom: 3550549
South Korea: 3533926
: 3211118
: 3142328
Poland: 2813755
Russian Federation: 2750158
Canada: 2638268
Brazil: 2490149
China: 2484757
Taiwan: 2414288
: 2301545
United States: 2188679
South Korea: 466255
United States: 272835
: 198332
United Kingdom: 152547
Taiwan: 82990
Poland: 32437
China: -55503
Russian Federation: -64173
: -72981
Brazil: -308619
Canada: -560041
Finland: -979359
Percent of Plays Above Averages
South Korea: 88
United States: 70
: 63
United Kingdom: 63
Taiwan: 63
Poland: 56
China: 50
: 50
Russian Federation: 27
Brazil: 17
Canada: 0
Finland: 0
Simulated Head to Head Matches Win Percentage
United States: 100
South Korea: 91
United Kingdom: 73
China: 64
: 64
Taiwan: 56
Poland: 45
Brazil: 33
Russian Federation: 33
: 27
Canada: 9
Finland: 0
Map Statistics
Big Brother
Average points: 2486637
United Kingdom: 2918836
Poland: 2895178
: 2759735
: 2721862
Poland: 2699469
United States: 2502266
China: 2423325
Russian Federation: 2383052
United Kingdom: 2303469
: 2127888
Canada: 2052973
Brazil: 2051595
Cyber Thunder Cider
Average points: 2660833
China: 3123339
Poland: 3024402
United Kingdom: 2993094
United States: 2981144
Poland: 2598899
United Kingdom: 2440540
Brazil: 2163468
Canada: 1961777
EOS
Average points: 2484236
United States: 3358946
: 2893356
Russian Federation: 2810335
South Korea: 2574478
Taiwan: 2559777
: 2547877
China: 2011606
Finland: 1117514
Euclid
Average points: 1849960
United States: 2318740
China: 2052596
: 1892357
United Kingdom: 1810756
Poland: 1564250
Russian Federation: 1461060
Hip Song
Average points: 2614390
United States: 3359774
: 3188579
China: 2077607
Russian Federation: 1831599
LegenD.
Average points: 2342389
South Korea: 3279611
: 3140021
United Kingdom: 2631143
Poland: 2495166
: 2404789
Brazil: 2392971
: 2346806
Taiwan: 2311871
United Kingdom: 2223987
Poland: 2188297
Russian Federation: 2166272
Canada: 2022491
: 1666714
Finland: 1523312
No More
Average points: 2696652
Poland: 3144165
United States: 3038394
Poland: 2948132
China: 2944813
United Kingdom: 2921592
: 2890439
Canada: 2038196
Finland: 1647485
Oceanus
Average points: 2183191
Russian Federation: 3380842
China: 2248476
: 1988698
: 1927524
United States: 1873551
Finland: 1680053
Piranha (Maffalda Reloaded Trap Mix)
Average points: 2621071
South Korea: 3235964
Taiwan: 2650334
United Kingdom: 2459443
Poland: 2138541
Resurrection Spell
Average points: 2576735
: 3517043
Russian Federation: 3278291
United States: 3159826
South Korea: 2906336
: 2562172
China: 2438656
United Kingdom: 2383907
: 2311782
Taiwan: 2252673
Poland: 2202191
: 2006467
Finland: 1901474
Saigo
Average points: 2854056
Taiwan: 3539232
Poland: 3337845
: 3205296
United Kingdom: 3190265
South Korea: 3167818
: 2987203
: 2795602
Brazil: 2760574
Russian Federation: 2626272
: 2502289
Canada: 2100471
Finland: 2035803
Sakura Zensen Ijou Nashi
Average points: 2744295
: 3335653
United Kingdom: 2953335
China: 2847140
United States: 2572348
: 2425857
Poland: 2331436
She Runs
Average points: 1946221
: 2160621
Russian Federation: 1731820
Streaming Heart feat. Hatsune Miku
Average points: 2499207
Poland: 2917521
United Kingdom: 2648097
United Kingdom: 2614929
Taiwan: 2542781
: 2461659
: 2425842
South Korea: 2260300
Brazil: 2122525
World Domination How-To
Average points: 3142404
South Korea: 3633240
Taiwan: 3615911
United Kingdom: 3328930
: 3312262
: 3241554
: 2983306
Poland: 2532354
Russian Federation: 2491678
Yotogibanashi no Kamikakushi
Average points: 2793293
United Kingdom: 3550549
South Korea: 3533926
: 3211118
: 3142328
Poland: 2813755
Russian Federation: 2750158
Canada: 2638268
Brazil: 2490149
China: 2484757
Taiwan: 2414288
: 2301545
United States: 2188679
Combined
SPOILER
Average Relative Score
South Korea: 312586
United States: 309017
Taiwan: 288971
Poland: 161892
Brazil: 159197
United Kingdom: 109511
: 85816
: 27654
Russian Federation: 22396
China: 10565
Norway: -44590
Canada: -275249
Italy: -331821
Australia: -491045
Finland: -693050
Argentina: -877246
Percent of Plays Above Averages
United States: 76
Poland: 74
Taiwan: 73
South Korea: 71
United Kingdom: 61
China: 58
Brazil: 57
: 53
: 52
Russian Federation: 50
Norway: 44
Canada: 19
Australia: 17
Argentina: 8
Finland: 6
Italy: 0
Simulated Head to Head Matches Win Percentage
South Korea: 100
United States: 100
Taiwan: 80
Poland: 71
United Kingdom: 69
Brazil: 67
China: 62
Norway: 62
: 50
: 47
Russian Federation: 47
Canada: 27
Australia: 20
Italy: 13
Argentina: 0
Finland: 0
South Korea: 312586
United States: 309017
Taiwan: 288971
Poland: 161892
Brazil: 159197
United Kingdom: 109511
: 85816
: 27654
Russian Federation: 22396
China: 10565
Norway: -44590
Canada: -275249
Italy: -331821
Australia: -491045
Finland: -693050
Argentina: -877246
Percent of Plays Above Averages
United States: 76
Poland: 74
Taiwan: 73
South Korea: 71
United Kingdom: 61
China: 58
Brazil: 57
: 53
: 52
Russian Federation: 50
Norway: 44
Canada: 19
Australia: 17
Argentina: 8
Finland: 6
Italy: 0
Simulated Head to Head Matches Win Percentage
South Korea: 100
United States: 100
Taiwan: 80
Poland: 71
United Kingdom: 69
Brazil: 67
China: 62
Norway: 62
: 50
: 47
Russian Federation: 47
Canada: 27
Australia: 20
Italy: 13
Argentina: 0
Finland: 0