Fortunape wrote: 6j9e

''Time to move on to the real rhythm games cause you're a big boy now '' Which real rhythm games?

Learn to play real drums.

btw This guide is great.

Fortunape wrote: 6j9e

''Time to move on to the real rhythm games cause you're a big boy now '' Which real rhythm games?

It's a sarcastic remark by him because osu mania doesn't offer a lot of high difficulty charts. He's considering osu!mania to be a 'baby's rhythm game', so to say. The 'real rhythm games' that he's referring to would be vsrgs like o2jam and lr2.

Is there an active 7/8k platform besides LR2?
O2Jam is fun, but its client is way too outdated and crappy.

LR2 is still active, the BOFU is happening right now, It's more than thousands new songs. But yeah, there isn't any other game except some in dev. http://manbow.nothing.sh/event/event.cgi?action=List_def&event=104

He didn't say it is inactive though.

o2jam might be old school and crappy client-wise but as long as it is fun, who cares?

Let's see, I know agka's developing raindrop but afaik it's still pretty unfinished. Works though. You might wanna check out Malody, but I wouldn't really recommend it...

Do you have any o2jam server to recommend?
I tried to play o2jamv3, but I didn't like it at all. D:

@Edit
Actually, forget it. I like it now. lol

http://vsrg.club has a server

Stepmania

EtienneXC wrote: ik4g

Stepmania

We should really make that 4K improvement guide soon.

Shoegazer wrote: 705242

EtienneXC wrote: ik4g

Stepmania

We should really make that 4K improvement guide soon.

Yes you should.

Shoegazer wrote: 705242

EtienneXC wrote: ik4g

Stepmania

We should really make that 4K improvement guide soon.

Maybe on Ssturday, we can get something going with that.

i have a new problem now.I'm having a hard time improving from 4* beatmap to 5* beatmap.Any tips?

Not a 4k player, but I improved to the next difficulty via analyzing what is my most common problem in harder maps/maps in the difficulty I play atm. and try to get better at what gives me a hard time.
For example: layered LN's are a huge problem for me, so I played only maps with these patterns in them to get better at them.
Another tip would be: play harder maps on halftime and try to get high acc. and try to learn new or hard patterns.
If you play them map on normal speed later you'll have an easier time to play these patterns.
Last tip: play old maps and try to get higher acc. and combo.
I saw alot of your scores are A's. Try to get S ranks and maybe 97%acc plus.
It seems you're not ready to progress in harder difficulty when your baseskill on an easier difficulty is lacking.
Hope that helps somewhat.
Cheers

ARCskieZ wrote: 3h354o

Not a 4k player, but I improved to the next difficulty via analyzing what is my most common problem in harder maps/maps in the difficulty I play atm. and try to get better at what gives me a hard time.
For example: layered LN's are a huge problem for me, so I played only maps with these patterns in them to get better at them.
Another tip would be: play harder maps on halftime and try to get high acc. and try to learn new or hard patterns.
If you play them map on normal speed later you'll have an easier time to play these patterns.
Last tip: play old maps and try to get higher acc. and combo.
I saw alot of your scores are A's. Try to get S ranks and maybe 97%acc plus.
It seems you're not ready to progress in harder difficulty when your baseskill on an easier difficulty is lacking.
Hope that helps somewhat.
Cheers

i see, well i do rushing too much to play harder song so i didn't really pay much attention on my accuracy.I will try to improve it first while i play harder maps on halftime.Thx btw

Is it a good idea to bind keys to DFJKL in 5k, for example, or should i keep the default layout with space in it?

It's entirely up to you. In 5k that kind of layout doesn't have much disadvantage over a spacebar based layout. However, if you plan on learning 7k later, it might be a good idea to stick with the spacebar. It's certainly possible to be good at 7k using something like sdfghjk, but that layout requires a pinkie on one of your hands, and pinkies are much weaker than your other fingers, which puts you at a disadvantage.

In any case, it's totally up to you. There's no 'right' way to play mania.

Hello , as it is recommended I try to keep my eyes on the midle of the screen . But they go down all the time especially when there are LN , stairs or a hight density for me . How could I train that ?
Thanks

You should just keep playing, with time you will do this a lot less. It's normal when you start.

Begoul wrote: 1a515o

Hello , as it is recommended I try to keep my eyes on the midle of the screen . But they go down all the time especially when there are LN , stairs or a hight density for me . How could I train that ?
Thanks

I personally found that playing with hidden helped me stop doing that. But while I could keep my eyes in place with hidden, the habit of looking lower would still come back a bit when playing without it.

Todestrieb wrote: 1d583u

You should just keep playing, with time you will do this a lot less. It's normal when you start.

Begoul : Basically this. It is still too soon to draw any conclusions on your current playstyle since you have been playing for a few days at most. The way you read notes (and how you position yourself to play, hands and body, and a lot more) is most likely to improve as you keep playing. You can perhaps fiddle with the scrolling speed, and if you haven't done it yet, to use "Fixed BPM" scrolling speed and not the BPM-scaling one in the options (Just type "BPM" in the Options, you'll get what you are looking for.)

Thank you all for the rapid answer . I use "Fixed BPM" only since 3 days I discover it , atm I set it to 17 but I will try to increase this value step by step .
Thanks

Oh god I've been playing for a year and only just realised I'm not meant to follow the notes down. Played today focusing on fixing my eyes in the middle and destroyed a lot of my old scores due to being able to keep up with patterns better

I understand that you want to help people with this post, but my problem is that i dont know all of the keys to press. So if you could help me than that would be great!

Oh I just played E-Pro by Beck, and i didnt realize it shows the keys to press... lol i have a recording of it and heres the link to it on YouTube.
(its not done editing yet so it will be posted as an edit. right now its 6:15 AM and when its done ill say the time again.)

Ok the video is done at 6:30 AM so heres the link

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VOAgvgGy6X8

i don't understand how can i read burst better, i got an A on space time 7k and 4k but. i just got lucky that time lol.

Thanks ! helped me alot

I've been at osu!mania for a while and I've hit a major wall due to the speed and I just cannot read fast enough, I usually do 1- 2.3 stars at 21 scroll speed but I can't do any more. One map that shows the gap is "time to air" on KK's 4K hyper difficulty. It's such a jump from previous speeds so I can't read it and I have tried every speed from 9 (too close together to read) up to 19 (much too fast for the difficulty).
The fastest I can go is Water Horizon on 4k basic. Any tips for improving on speed and anything that can bridge this huge gap in speed?

I am not exactly sure what you are asking for.

Do you mean that the song is simply too fast for you and the gap between notes is too narrow that even at a speed you're comfy with you cannot hit them? If so you should just play more and build up speed.

Or do you mean that you can't seem to find the right speed for you on this specific map? You're probably not using fixed scrolling speed. Go into the options, search for "bpm" and (un)tick the only setting that appears.

What I meant is the speed difference between <2.5 to 2.5+ is just such a big leap and I can't find any middle ground at all. I already set my scroll speed and it's currently 21 for 4k and 17 for 7k.

Star rating is not an accurate representation of actual difficulty, and has got nothing to do with the speed of a song. The best advice I could give you is trying to find slower songs that are still outside of your comfort zone, and try to climb up from there.

play slower scroll speed, seriously. you won't learn new patterns from high scroll speed and 21/17 is waaaay too fast for the level of charts you're playing.

try playing 7k with 10 scroll speed for a while. you'll see a lot of improvement after a week of playing.

Aqo wrote: 382f42

play slower scroll speed, seriously. you won't learn new patterns from high scroll speed and 21/17 is waaaay too fast for the level of charts you're playing.

try playing 7k with 10 scroll speed for a while. you'll see a lot of improvement after a week of playing.

I agree that slower scroll speeds help with getting used to the patterns at a low level, but scroll speed 10 sounds awfully slow to me. Maybe 15? (considering that this is a fixed scale of course)

i'm a noob and i read/play better at speed 25 than 20 :/

is this thread still active?? i want ask question

Yes, it's still active. The problem is that most people who want to ask questions that should be in this thread never read the thread and post new threads in the forum instead. It's much better if you ask here rather than make a new thread.

ok my question is:


is that normal if you play a map in one day you get S and the next day you get B (it happens to me most)?? ._.

M0STW4NT3D wrote: 465d

ok my question is:


is that normal if you play a map in one day you get S and the next day you get B (it happens to me most)?? ._.

Yes, you have to get warmed up properly and that's not possible every day if you for example don't sleep well the night before or have bad eating habits, or stress from work etc.

wow thx for the response

if i play hard map everyday(out of my safe zone) is that help me improve??

This is how most players proceed to improve, yes. By playing maps that are a bit too hard for you regularly will most likely help you improve.

do you guys have any tips faster improvement on reading notes i'm stuck at 5* diff and can't proceed more ._.??

Try to figure out EXACTLY what is causing the problem and find a solution. For example, sometimes all you need to do is increase your scroll rate and patterns that were hard to read become easier. But sometimes that's not the solution, because the problem was not that the notes were just too close together. This solution is much harder to do, and it's hard to find anyone who can help you figure it out, but it's BY FAR the most effective way to improve.

While you're trying to figure out the exact problem, you can also try things like:
Practice maps that are a little bit too hard for you.
Try using a slower scroll rate (on songs that are not too hard) to try to get better at reading more dense patterns.
etc.

There is no trick that can suddenly make you much better at rhythm games. The most effective way to improve is just to keep playing.

omg it looks interesting

I have a lot to learn...

I really need help with Sliders. Started playing for 3 days now and I havent got a single 300 (max) or reg 300 slider. I thought maybe I gotta press a other button and the same time or something but nope. Im not sure if increasing the speed would do it (possibly).
Tips?

Samuel97 wrote: 5wy6f

I really need help with Sliders. Started playing for 3 days now and I havent got a single 300 (max) or reg 300 slider. I thought maybe I gotta press a other button and the same time or something but nope. Im not sure if increasing the speed would do it (possibly).
Tips?

Play songs that have longnotes that end at the same time with another note and practice lifting your finger right as you tap down another on the same hand.

I found that this post really helped me to improve in mania. I also made some friends along the way who are the same rank :3

This guide is so true i'm actually a 4K player I want to practice other keys but its getting hard... I so much improve in 4k but suck in other keys... I dont know if I follow this guide I will be good, bcoz I already started playing without reading this for almost a year now. But I think this guide will be good for people who starting mania but for someone who starts playing already it will be hard )

nice ,

What if i don't want to play other keymodes , what if i only want to play 4k ?

CXgaruda wrote: 4o1f26

What if i don't want to play other keymodes , what if i only want to play 4k ?

Just enjoy game.

4k is the only good key amyways

4k scrubs

still bad at jumpstream & jumptrill
do you guys have any good map about that pattern??
(5.5*+)

Thanks. I my peak was 2.00 star maps when I first started, and I could only get a B on those max. Only been a few days and I'm at 3.00 stars B-ranks. Slowly but surely, I will get better. Gotta keep a positive mindset.

mysweetpiano wrote: 3a513q

Thanks. I my peak was 2.00 star maps when I first started, and I could only get a B on those max. Only been a few days and I'm at 3.00 stars B-ranks. Slowly but surely, I will get better. Gotta keep a positive mindset.

nice keep trying

How do you guys deal with changes to much slower scroll speeds?
I can't understand shit so I always end up smashing everything in hope of hitting the keys. :C
It's specially awful when the speed changes, but the density doesn't.

Also, if I play songs of my skill level with, say, 19 scrolling speed instead of 24, my accuracy drops from 95% to 80%. It's kinda frustrating.

I edit the map to have no SV changes.

my hero

gintoki147 wrote: 71445l

How do you guys deal with changes to much slower scroll speeds?
I can't understand shit so I always end up smashing everything in hope of hitting the keys. :C
It's specially awful when the speed changes, but the density doesn't.

Also, if I play songs of my skill level with, say, 19 scrolling speed instead of 24, my accuracy drops from 95% to 80%. It's kinda frustrating.

Handling slowdowns is a difficult skill to learn. I know in o2jam players would often practice at slow speeds until they were able to play well at both low and high speeds. Since I play with flashlight, slowdowns are one of the few things that can completely ruin a map for me (in of playability). For example, I can't ExPew's Wintersun or Entozer's Oni Kanojo because of the slowdowns. I try not to let it bother me much. I sometimes play maps with slowdowns on nofail just so I can enjoy the map though.

i guess the best training method for slowdown is to play with slow speed

mysweetpiano wrote: 3a513q

Thanks. I my peak was 2.00 star maps when I first started, and I could only get a B on those max. Only been a few days and I'm at 3.00 stars B-ranks. Slowly but surely, I will get better. Gotta keep a positive mindset.

Nearly two weeks ago I made this comment and wow, in just two weeks I improved a lot. I'm hitting patterns I never thought I could hit. It's so satisfying. There are days when you just can't seem to hit anything, and THATS OKAY! Don't force yourself because better days will come. The most improtant thing is to keep playing and get used to the notes, even if no immediate improvements show! Have fun!

mysweetpiano wrote: 3a513q

mysweetpiano wrote: 3a513q

Thanks. I my peak was 2.00 star maps when I first started, and I could only get a B on those max. Only been a few days and I'm at 3.00 stars B-ranks. Slowly but surely, I will get better. Gotta keep a positive mindset.

Nearly two weeks ago I made this comment and wow, in just two weeks I improved a lot. I'm hitting patterns I never thought I could hit. It's so satisfying. There are days when you just can't seem to hit anything, and THATS OKAY! Don't force yourself because better days will come. The most improtant thing is to keep playing and get used to the notes, even if no immediate improvements show! Have fun!

Yeah you just need to play everyday

mysweetpiano wrote: 3a513q

mysweetpiano wrote: 3a513q

Thanks. I my peak was 2.00 star maps when I first started, and I could only get a B on those max. Only been a few days and I'm at 3.00 stars B-ranks. Slowly but surely, I will get better. Gotta keep a positive mindset.

Nearly two weeks ago I made this comment and wow, in just two weeks I improved a lot. I'm hitting patterns I never thought I could hit. It's so satisfying. There are days when you just can't seem to hit anything, and THATS OKAY! Don't force yourself because better days will come. The most improtant thing is to keep playing and get used to the notes, even if no immediate improvements show! Have fun!

That's great! And that's a great way to look at things too. It's ok to recognize when you're having a bad day, but don't let it bother you. Even playing on bad days helps you improve.

What if the only problem is I can't match my hands with the beatmap speed?

Your skills won't improve at the same speed, so it's common to run into problems where your speed is holding you back. When that happens, you should try to find maps that are just a little bit too fast to play properly and practice on those.

Bobbias wrote: 7q4g

Your skills won't improve at the same speed, so it's common to rub into problems where your speed is holding you back. When that happens, you should try to find maps that are just a little bit too fast to play properly and practice on those.

Ahh sometimes I just randomly find beatmap and I even don't know its speed xD

Well when you can identify what is holding you back, the next step is to find maps that you can use to practice the skill you have trouble with. It's fine to play random maps, but it won't help you improve as fast as practicing on maps specifically to improve that skill will.

Bobbias wrote: 7q4g

Well when you can identify what is holding you back, the next step is to find maps that you can use to practice the skill you have trouble with. It's fine to play random maps, but it won't help you improve as fast as practicing on maps specifically to improve that skill will.

so you need to play the same map over and over again right??

Bobbias wrote: 7q4g

Well when you can identify what is holding you back, the next step is to find maps that you can use to practice the skill you have trouble with. It's fine to play random maps, but it won't help you improve as fast as practicing on maps specifically to improve that skill will.

Okay. I already repeat some beatmap and at the same time it's inspire me to get better at osu!mania, like beatmap Imprinting 4k

No, you shouldn't replay the same map over and over. Playing it a few times is ok, but if you keep playing a map over and over, you will improve your scores on ONLY that map. Even though it looks like you're getting better, you won't see nearly as much improvement on other maps.

The idea is to find as many different maps that all have the kind of patterns you need to practice.

Bobbias wrote: 7q4g

No, you shouldn't replay the same map over and over. Playing it a few times is ok, but if you keep playing a map over and over, you will improve your scores on ONLY that map. Even though it looks like you're getting better, you won't see nearly as much improvement on other maps.

The idea is to find as many different maps that all have the kind of patterns you need to practice.

So you mean repeating same beatmap over and over isn't helping much?

I repeat the same 150 beatmaps over and over again

Repeating a beatmap causes you to memorize the patterns in that beatmap. When you memorize the patterns, you are no longer learning how to read patterns better when you play that map. You can still get some improvement from playing it, but the improvement will not be as fast as if you didn't replay the same song a lot.

Personally, One of my areas of strength is sightreading beatmaps. When I play a beatmap, chances are I won't play the same one again for a few weeks at least, sometimes I don't replay it for a few months. There are maps I play more often than that, but even then I usually play my favorite maps less than once a week on average.

well if you play same map over and over again i think use random will help to improve

All random seems to do is reverse the notes?

Random swaps the columns around. So every note on a column will switch to a different column with random. So a pattern like 1234 might become 2134 next time you play it with random.

While i'm fine with speeding up, I tend to avoid beatmaps that slows down scroll speed, is it okay if I skip them? Is there an abundance of them in later levels?

No. Slowdowns are not that common at higher skill levels, but they are still more common than they are at low skill levels. I personally can't play maps with slowdowns at all, because I play with flashlight and have always been really bad at them even before I started using that mod. It does mean there are a few maps I can't play without nofail, but it doesn't bother me too much. If I really enjoy a map, I will sometimes make an edited copy with the slowdown removed.

there are always sv slow down pattern in the map above 7 star. actually, very common.especially in o2jam style.

for slowdowns i usually play the song a few times listen closely to the music, and than i play slow parts "just" by listening to the music feel the rhythm and play what i see cant really describe but it helps me allot to know the song

Thanks for the guide.

I'm really a noob before I see your guide. and now.. I can messed up
with 3~4* in mania. I'm looking to play with you someday.

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Everyone learns at a different speed, so yes that's pretty normal. If you were Sing things like empress SHD after 3 months, that would be extremely fast.

.

If you're hitting the wrong key, you're not actually reading it correctly. When I watch staiain play, I can 'read' the patterns he's playing. That is, I can understand what the patterns are when I watch him play, but if you asked me to play with that scroll speed, I would not be able to react fast enough to play even easy maps because I can't actually read the patterns.

When you press the wrong key, this happens when your brain cannot read the notes fast enough to actually figure out the correct finger to press. Instead, your brain just picks a finger and hopes it gets it right.

Of course, your brain can still make these mistakes once in a while even when you're perfectly capable of reading a pattern, but these usually result in a single missed note or 2 through an entire song.

Reading is something that you develop over time. As far as I can tell, the best way to train your ability to read is to avoid playing the same songs over again as much as possible. Learning to sightread beatmaps (in other words, learning to play completely new maps you've never seen before) will help develop reading skill faster than if you played the same few maps over and over.

3 months is still quite new to the game, so don't worry too much about it, you will keep getting better for a while no matter what you do.

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ooux wrote: 3u369

Many thanks , i suppose i just have to practice more and more . Just by the way already did A ond the Team Grimoire - C18H27NO3 and after one week of relax i can play bit harder maps .

Yea just play alot, you will get the hang of patterns the more you play which allow you to play harder maps using the same patterns but faster or slightly more complex. It's important that you 'master' your appropriate skill level before jumping to a harder diff and never looking back at easier charts.

Just don't worry too much about improving as fast as you can, otherwise you will lose motivation when u hit a skill wall which will probably cause you to stagnate even more.

Yetified wrote: 3s4s4q

It's important that you 'master' your appropriate skill level before jumping to a harder diff and never looking back at easier charts.

It is, but you also need to be sure that you fall into the trap of focusing on accuracy over everything else. Too much focus on perfecting scores on easy maps ends up making improvement extremely slow. The key is to find a balance of pushing your skill and improving your fundamentals.

Hi personaly i never focused on Accuracy oWo maybe it is just a bad habbit from o2Jam but i dont realy care about my ACC.
Maps i mostly Play when im warm looks like this afeter 2years of playing arround 5* in 7k
https://puu.sh/rx9Td/84a63a2931.jpg
some 6* like the ranked dreadnout are also possible got an A there!
What i experienced over my 2years is ACC in tearms of hitting Things will come by it self to a certain Point like here:
https://osu-ppy-sh.jeuxcrack.net/ss/6354810
https://puu.sh/ruc3q/dc6baa2121.jpg
But my Ratio is almost in every map range 50%/50% on easy maps 30%/70% i think if you want to improve Ratio it is importand to Focus on it!
For me, i want to get in the lvl 70-80 range in o2jam as fast as possible at least for me besides work and stuff. Once iam there i just stay until i get a good Ratio or maybe i can get it on the way because i like so many Song in this lvl range and i also like the maping style Noodles every where.


I hope it was understandable sorry for my poor englisch.

Hey ReTLoM. I don't focus on acc either. I found out with an experiment years ago that when I do, I very quickly lose the ability to play anything hard, and the improvement to accuracy is way too slow compared to the speed that I lose my ability to play hard things which makes it completely useless for me.

Is osumania (4k) a real rythm game now? :/
If not ( still too easy ) please list some 4k hard rythm games .
Thanks::>>

Does anyone have a pack or list of LN heavy maps for 4 and 7k? Preferably around the 2.5-3* range. I'm trying hard to get better at them but while I'm improving at other things whenever a map starts throwing them at me my acc goes out the window and it's frustrating

genkicho wrote: 566p42

Is osumania (4k) a real rythm game now? :/
If not ( still too easy ) please list some 4k hard rythm games .
Thanks::>>

easy or hard depends on the map, not the game.

Eraser wrote: 4j44n

genkicho wrote: 566p42

Is osumania (4k) a real rythm game now? :/
If not ( still too easy ) please list some 4k hard rythm games .
Thanks::>>

easy or hard depends on the map, not the game.

Yea i know :/
I mean the ranked map compared to other 4k rythm game.
I've never seen any 4k PC rythm game other than SM and osu

If you want "ranked" hard maps, try private servers. Unranked maps give pp there.

For 4k games, i don't know, haven't seen many too... The ones I know are O2Jam U and SDVX. Though sdvx isn't actually 4k.

boh123321 wrote: 601j4i

Does anyone have a pack or list of LN heavy maps for 4 and 7k? Preferably around the 2.5-3* range. I'm trying hard to get better at them but while I'm improving at other things whenever a map starts throwing them at me my acc goes out the window and it's frustrating

Try this thread. t/191952

Drace wrote: 3b4w52

For starters, I really recommend playing other games like lr2 or o2jam because this game tends to enforce bad habits with it's mechanics that mostly impedes your progress.

This is not the first time I read something like this, but every time it comes up nobody explains what these "bad habits" actually are. Can someone elaborate on this?

Skelif wrote: 4p4n6h

Drace wrote: 3b4w52

For starters, I really recommend playing other games like lr2 or o2jam because this game tends to enforce bad habits with it's mechanics that mostly impedes your progress.

This is not the first time I read something like this, but every time it comes up nobody explains what these "bad habits" actually are. Can someone elaborate on this?

spamming, this game doesnt care if you spam (kinda) while you get punished very hard for spammming in lr2 and o2jam




i think

LR2 and O2Jam operate very differently. In LR2, there is the Poor Judgement, which I believe is triggered when you press WAY too early. IIRC Poors reduce your life like a miss would, making spamming through difficult sections essentially impossible since you'd end up killing yourself by pressing keys that have notes coming up soon. In LR2, I believe LNs work similarly to stepmania (someone please correct me if I'm wrong). I think they require you to press in the beginning, but do not require lifting right at the end of the LN. I have no idea how releasing early works, or if repressing does anything in LR2, so someone who actually knows about LR2 will have to cover that.

In O2Jam, you can actually spam notes pretty well. The judgement windows are very lenient, so BMS style patterning (patterns with lots of notes, but not LNs) is pretty easy to spam. On the other hand, LNs in O2Jam are much harder than LR2 or o!m. Even though the timing windows are easier, in O2, you can't repress an LN. If you make any mistake on an LN it counts a miss immediately. On top of that, you are required to press the LN at the beginning, and release at the end, like in o!m, but with much stricter health when it comes to LNs. Missing hurts a lot, and holding LNs does not increase your health over time like in o!m. LN mechanics and the fact that starting around level 30, most charts have a fair bit of LNs, mean that anything with LNs requires you to play the LNs legit (IE not spam).

In short, both games have some element of the mechanic that makes it harder to spam through their charts, neither of which are present in osu!mania.

Bobbias wrote: 7q4g

In LR2, I believe LNs work similarly to stepmania (someone please correct me if I'm wrong). I think they require you to press in the beginning, but do not require lifting right at the end of the LN. I have no idea how releasing early works, or if repressing does anything in LR2, so someone who actually knows about LR2 will have to cover that.

In LR2, you are judged for timing the press as well as the release. You are judged once, I suppose based on a combination of your press/release timing. If you press too late or release too early, the LN is missed. Missed LNs cannot be repressed.

Bobbias wrote: 7q4g

On the other hand, LNs in O2Jam are much harder than LR2 or o!m

I don't know too much about O2Jam, but I'm pretty sure LNs are equally hard in both games when ignoring timing windows. I'm also pretty sure LR2's timing windows for LNs are slightly harder, maybe depending on the song's timing difficulty.