The first thing that leapt to me was that there is no way to Edit your messages, and that links (such as puush) do not become clickable. Are the mod windows BBCode friendly? If not maybe they should be.


....yeah

Harbyter wrote: 3e6i6m

Anxient wrote: 44g60

i feel like there should be a general section. like usually mods go like this

general
bg size exceeds 1366x768. pls fix

audio bitrate is too high, please compress

tags are missing from xx diff to yy diff.

maybe there will be a place for this later in the future or maybe you already know and im wasting my time

there's already a general section

if you click on general it will show the comment of the overall beatmap

if you click on timeline it will shows the comment of that specific difficulty that you have selected,


i think it needs another section, maybe metadata/general issue of the beatmap?? This to not mix up the timing,metadata storyboard issue with the general comments

i did it guys im hitting every single roadblock in modding v2 for everyone.

Shiirn wrote: 234850

The first thing that leapt to me was that there is no way to Edit your messages, and that links (such as puush) do not become clickable. Are the mod windows BBCode friendly? If not maybe they should be.


....yeah

I am pretty sure markdown is the future instead. Don't quote me on that.

Shiirn wrote: 234850

The first thing that leapt to me was that there is no way to Edit your messages, and that links (such as puush) do not become clickable. Are the mod windows BBCode friendly? If not maybe they should be.


....yeah

Yeah, there should be an option to change the message and it's type (problem, suggestion, praise). I wrote a praise followed by a suggestion and choose a praise when it's supposed to be a suggestion and now I can't change it (see it here, bottom of the page for the easy diff). And sadly it's not BBCode freindly... yet?

To save people repeating the same thing, here's some things which have been mentioned many times and will be added:

- Editing posts will be available.
- There will be a general section per difficulty. Right now it's only available for the whole map set.
- Formatting may become a thing, but it will be limited. Individual posts are supposed to be small and to the point (single sentence or paragraph).
- The difficulty selection dropdown doesn't scale so well to sets with tens of difficulties. It will be fixed.

@loctav feel free to put these in the OP.

wew looks awesome
I'll try it

Loctav wrote: 3n5266

Shiirn wrote: 234850

The first thing that leapt to me was that there is no way to Edit your messages, and that links (such as puush) do not become clickable. Are the mod windows BBCode friendly? If not maybe they should be.


....yeah

I am pretty sure markdown is the future instead. Don't quote me on that.

I always thought of markdown as a step forward by taking a step back. It's so incredibly simplistic that it's limiting. But it'd probably work pretty damn well for something like this.

Also, maybe a function that would let us refresh the page without being shoved back to the easiest diff.


What seems to be the point of the thumbs system? Things are going to be ordered by timeline, you'd think it would be ordered by thumb priority. Especially since with the links in there you can very freely leap around in the map... but i'm just suggesting things damn nevermind heh. The whole thing seems pretty functional. I'd love modding with this system. It's a lot cleaner.

Where's the freaking button to the map? there should be one imo, also a .osu for each selected difficulty page

hyouri wrote: 223r6j

Where's the freaking button to the map? there should be one imo, also a .osu for each selected difficulty page

I believe that's not implemented yet

added the set links of old webpage to the OP (for easier ing, I suppose, as long as you can not from the discussion page yet)

With the new system, how will people be able to tell when a map is ready for BNs?

Is there any intention to make it possible to filter comments? Like being able to filter comments that s have marked as 'Praise' so you are able to look through suggestions easier?

I don't know if it's just me, but with this system I feel compelled to mark every single thing as "suggestion" unless it's somethat that blatantly breaks the RC. Was that the intention?

can't you just mark that as a problem?

deadbeat wrote: 819

can't you just mark that as a problem?

I think that is what they are saying.

Are problems only things that break RC or are they more? Is it defined what a problem is or would we have some sort of guideline on what a problem would be.

Are suggestions just aesthetic or is it everything that doesn't break RC?


Stuff like that.

Riari wrote: 3p3f2f

I think that is what they are saying.

Are problems only things that break RC or are they more? Is it defined what a problem is or would we have some sort of guideline on what a problem would be.

Are suggestions just aesthetic or is it everything that doesn't break RC?


Stuff like that.

It's more like what you're thinking the issue is. If you think it really affect badly how the map is, mark it as problem, and if it's just an personnal improvement or small suggestion, you can mark it as suggestion.

Nozhomi wrote: 6f1s42

It's more like what you're thinking the issue is. If you think it really affect badly how the map is, mark it as problem, and if it's just an personnal improvement or small suggestion, you can mark it as suggestion.

Makes sense.

OMG why the infinite load after I made a mod line lol

Things to consider compared to the current system might be kudosu and star priority, or mostly "modding incentive". Modders mod a map, and they get an outcome in the form of the mapper's reply, and a kudosu (if providen) whether they wanted or not. Some revision will be needed within the new modding .

I know the fundamental purpose of modding should be quality enhancing, but it is curious what will happen for modding kudos. Provided per every line? Provided only once per map? How to provide?

Sonnyc wrote: 56555

I know the fundamental purpose of modding should be quality enhancing, but it is curious what will happen for modding kudos. Provided per every line? Provided only once per map? How to provide?

Probably only once per map, one per line would be absurd (also who care eless kds nowadays).

I don't think you should be able to upvote your own suggestions.

I can't try it right now, but it looks really cool !
You made a great job ty.

Default wrote: 693111

I don't think you should be able to upvote your own suggestions.

Also maybe making s how upvoted visible (as discus) might be cool? Not sure if it is purposely annonymous though.

i'll also post here,,

maybe it needs a ''denied'' button too , not only ''resolved''

Resolved includes both denied and applied.

this is gunna take some time to get used to xd

Seems a bit confusing ,but it should be nice :3

So... 2000 words long mods wont be a thing anymore or will we be still allowed to drop walls of texts as mods aswell?
I like the coherent flow of an idividual text more than a timeline everyone can post on (mb im misunderstanding this?), since you can specificly aim to mod one aspect of a map at a time and not just throw everything you see on a timeline. OR just have a distinct style which needs to be done in text form :/
Imo small comments on a section don't allways cut it to bring one's point across either.

The different kind of tags you can put on your comments are awesome though. Now i dont need to use different colours to distinguish suggestions from problems (never did but i'd love to try it out).

It would be cool, if every mod could have its own timeline and you could toggle all of them together to see overlapping problems. Like this people will be able to see what has been mentioned or look at the comment and decide for himself if its a problem or worth changing.

Also: Is that header thing customaizable? It might cut the background in a wierd way, so maybe allow the submitter to change the position of the background so it looks cool :[

Posting for the sake of posting so replies end up in my inbox and I dont forget about this later in the day. I need to try this, it looks cool

First thing I noticed that needs to be fixed is to allow mappers to tick the resolved box even after replying to a comment. Since I'm unable to currently edit my comments, there are multiple replies that do not have the resolved option selected, while they should have. Also I think it would be nice if the most upvoted mods would show on top of the page of the respective difficulty

So... 2000 words long mods wont be a thing anymore or will we be still allowed to drop walls of texts as mods aswell?

Don't see the problem in having very long mods in this new format, and you can just scroll directly to the bottom if their to much of them.

Already with the fact modders can now list what needs to be fixed and what is suggestion is leaps and bounds better than what we have been doing, aka color coding text, now things are much more clear for our mappers, I made a suggestion myself just now!

Really nice! Never thought this will be released so fast since the last time Ephemeral said something about it on #modhelp.

I just hope the BBCode buttons will be kept for this system too. As long as they make things friendlier to read and understand.

i wish there can be more interfaces for long mod posts as well

Ok so one thing I find limiting is that since this is focused to be posts with short mod descriptions, it doesn't really allow me to deliver the full picture of what I am trying to mod. I think having a hierarchy for this would be nice. You have a mod - the post relating to the range of timing it applies to (should not be too big) along with a short description, and within that mod are the individual edits you want to apply. I had to be a bit creative to achieve what format I am aiming for here, take a look at the Liberation (4k Insane) diff. Also I am using keywords such as ADD and BRING, and I think native for those keywords would present a nice format to display the edits in.

My first post looks too ugly to look at btw. Why even?

It looks really good and easy to use. I only wonder about that overlap here: http://kurokami.s-ul.eu/U3tP7oeJ on overcomplexification [Extreme]. Along with timestamps it could become unreadable. Or just my browser bugged a bit due to my internet. :C

Hmm, I'm getting a "Failed Saving Post" message; will try posting later.

this is a feature-asking request but can you probably have the creator a control to who can resolve / deny it?
edit: and probably make the "hidden comments" the default one because sometimes the comment is painful to be scrolled

Great. Just one little thing bothering me:


Wouldn't be better if the diff name was on top and the gamemode name below?
We already now what game mode it is by looking at the icon, and it's easier to navigate looking directly at the diff names (also, they are hard to read because the font size is too small).

lol modding v2 is alot more fun than i thought :L

The "FontAwesome" font used for several symbols doesn't look good if you disable font anti-aliasing. Since the font is used for characters usually not present in a font, they can't be replaced with web safe fonts.

Kurai wrote: 3u5l6g

Great. Just one little thing bothering me:


Wouldn't be better if the diff name was on top and the gamemode name below?
We already now what game mode it is by looking at the icon, and it's easier to navigate looking directly at the diff names (also, they are hard to read because the font size is too small).

like this? lol

i think with the way the font is used Exo 2.0 SemiBold and Semi Light (?), i think the "1" and "y" would be too close to touching. but hey thats just me. well this would only apply yo Easy tho :L

Anxient wrote: 44g60

lol modding v2 is alot more fun than i thought :L

Yup, i think the same too lol. As we can discuss the selected part one by one with each mappers/modders opinion.

I've written up all the so far in github issues.

https://github.com/ppy/osu-web/mileston ... g%20System

Please either file issues yourself (if you have a github and are willing) or post here with anything that hasn't been added yet.

[suggestion for interface]
I prefer using tab (with more orderly of course) like old website
than use scroll list, it's make me tired to scroll

Btw, is it only me who experience a broken web?

Liiraye wrote: 66492b

How will this affect irc modding? Will this be the only way of modding in the future?

still looking for an answer

this thread is not for such questions, but have an ansewr: yes

not the thread for discussing of rewards. that will come in time.

err 1 more thing that still bugging me...

i cant change difficulty.... since the beginning of this new modding ....


Notice the link above... 123760/discussion#:436586 (ive already click another diff, the link changed)
but its just staying at "lZenxl's Easy" difficulty...

im using Google Chrome.
it just wont load another difficulty's page or something.... any idea whats wrong with it?

Deppyforce wrote: fy4f

How about when those map got rank... everyone got kds....
dont know how much..... but +1 for each person is fair... and "extra" kds for those who mod moreeee

raika to be fair kds really doesnt do anything other than show that you want this map ranked

looks at brain power

nice

I don't know if this has been discussed, but whatever I need to emphasise this.

I strongly recommend to avoid using drop-down menu. This takes significant effort when switching between difficulties, especially that it has multiple modes, and it takes like 5 seconds each time finding a difficulty.

Make difficulties display flat on the board like current beatmap info page will be far more friendly. Like:


You can make buttons smaller, saving more space on the board. The idea will also make the most of the wasted white space of the right of the drop down-button.

Thanks for reading.

Flower wrote: 4e3w57

I don't know if this has been discussed, but whatever I need to emphasise this.

I strongly recommend to avoid using drop-down menu. This takes significant effort when switching between difficulties, especially that it has multiple modes, and it takes like 5 seconds each time finding a difficulty.

Make difficulties display flat on the board like current beatmap info page will be far more friendly. Like:

image

You can make buttons smaller, saving more space on the board. The idea will also make the most of the wasted white space of the right of the drop down-button.

Thanks for reading.

Agree with that.

Flower wrote: 4e3w57

I don't know if this has been discussed, but whatever I need to emphasise this.

I strongly recommend to avoid using drop-down menu. This takes significant effort when switching between difficulties, especially that it has multiple modes, and it takes like 5 seconds each time finding a difficulty.

Make difficulties display flat on the board like current beatmap info page will be far more friendly. Like:

image

You can make buttons smaller, saving more space on the board. The idea will also make the most of the wasted white space of the right of the drop down-button.

Thanks for reading.

Same thing

(Not sure if this is the place for suggestions, but here's my first impression of this +suggestions)

It looks really clean and nice-looking! I especially like the praise capability.

In order to make the modding site a little less busy at first glance, it might be a good idea to automatically collapse all resolved threads (I know that there's a Pending button, but at first glance it's a lot). If another modder finds something at the same note, then s/he could open up that mod and figure out if the mod was already resolved.

Maybe instead, once the map is updated all of the accepted mods could go away completely as they do not need to be dealt with again (this could also reduce the clutter in the timeline as someone above posted something about).


This is purely aesthetic, but consider on the timeline to put general time frames (0:00, 1 min, 2 min, end time, etc) , because it seems a bit plain with only the lines on it and it would give a sense of where to click to find the place where a mod might be time wise (to check if one suggestion has been discussed or not). I would definitely not put timestamps on all mod lines.


I noticed that when collapsed, there is no way to make there not be shadow on at least one of the boxes, maybe if you click on the same box again it goes back to no shadow.


If something is collapsed and it is selected through the top bar, expand the box. Also, maybe make the sidebar icon also able to do that, but it might take away the functionality of the expand/collapse button... hm

Is there a way (planned ?) to point many timepoints in a same post ? Like having the possibility to create an issue and attach a list of all timepoints where the problem occurs ? Or should we do this throught general ?

Also if you're going to beatmap general section why not go for gamemode general section too, so modders and the mapper can discuss about the gamemode spread there ?

I like the way you get an overall view on what's pending/denied?/resolved very neat idea. I also like the way one problem have one discution thread, search discution about one specific issue in a big ass thread is a real pain.

Good work so far.

Drafura wrote: 3pc1b

Is there a way (planned ?) to point many timepoints in a same post ? Like having the possibility to create an issue and attach a list of all timepoints where the problem occurs ? Or should we do this throught general ?

For the time being you'd either refer to the first point it happens and then point out the rest in brackets, or if it's a more serious issue you'd likely post at each point it happens.

Drafura wrote: 3pc1b

Also if you're going to beatmap general section why not go for gamemode general section too, so modders and the mapper can discuss about the gamemode spread there ?

Probably a bit too complicated to add so many general sections.

peppy wrote: 6w4l42

Drafura wrote: 3pc1b

Also if you're going to beatmap general section why not go for gamemode general section too, so modders and the mapper can discuss about the gamemode spread there ?

Probably a bit too complicated to add so many general sections.

From what I've seen an "easy" way to implement it would be to add a "Spread discution" difficulty for each game mode in the top combo box, this difficulty will have no timeline discution, only a general discution section.

"Easy" implying it's possible to add fake difficulties in the combo box, disable timeline for fake difficulties, adapt database scheme to store general discution of fake difficulties, other things... But i'm getting out topic here cause it's not a suggestion thread.

This actually looks really cool

Sonnyc wrote: 56555

SPOILER

Btw, is it only me who experience a broken web?

After the a new test being released, I still experience this issue. (Internet Explorer 11)

Besides, clicking the other difficulties does not allow me moving to another. It just stucks at "Extra". Couldn't try the lower diffs on modv2 this time.

Also I feel it to be awesome if "Praise/Suggestion/Problem" category is also visible in the mobile version. Hell yeah, none will apply mods by looking at their mobile device, but at least I frequently check mod replies through my phone. Providing additional information whether something is a problem, or a praise etc will help more imo.

Any thoughts on when this will be public?

Although editing response is available, but shouldn't you add resolve mark when edit the response? just in case if the mapper forgot to mark the issue resolved, rather than do double or multiple response to mark as resolved

Two replies spawned along with this error when I pressed the problem button. Might be due to my mouse button having poor conductivity, causing rapid clicking. What can I do to provide more helpful info?





Some other things:

When forgetting press resolve upon making a comment, I need to make another blank comment to check resolve. Can this be part of editing your last unreplied message?

For situations where the modder doesn't want to do the work of going into the log and copy pasting the stuff over, can there be a feature that allows to reference/post for them? Seeing myself replying to myself just looks weird.

I feel like just having them post a pastebin of the irc in the general section would work. Not like anyone reads those anyway lol

I think one thing that could be great for those of us that use notepad to write mods down (a good way to avoid losing stuff to random crashes / bad internet) would be some thing that allows us to post a giant blob of stuff like most people do now, and sorts it into separate points. obviously not something that is particularly easy to implement / built into the mv2 platform, but it would definitely be one of the most useful things that could be added since atm posting in a block is completely impossible.

Wouldn't it be a feasible feature to allow a batch of mods separated by newlines and a timestamp be separated and it would be automatically be formatted as separate mods below. Also, with the inclusion of an autosave feature likely saved in browser cookies for those who write walls of text.

I mean writing line after line feels awkward. Would be a neat thing to add for efficiency.

i think that's more of a getting-used-to-new-workflow thing. please give it a chance.

being able to individually select suggestion/problem/praise is not to be undervalued.

Could we be enlightened on how Kudosu! works since it's implemented now? Seems to be based on Votes, and more votes = more Kudosu!. Is there a cap per mapset?

1 upvote = 1 kudosu
2 upvotes = 2 kudosu
5+ upvotes = 3 kudosu

this will be tweaked as we figure how the system is used (and retroactively applied).

also the teams will be going through discussions when qualification/ranking happens to weed out abuse and reward discussions which haven't been upvoted by s.

upvotes increasing kudosu seems a bit weird because not many people actually read mod posts (and go out of their way to upvote them) plus they usually get shoved into "Resolved" which most modders will mod just on the pending.

Wouldn't it be cooler to tie kudosu gain to "resolved" instead? when mapper replies and resolves the issue, the modder gets kudosu so you don't have to make every BNs go upvote every posts in case the mapper forgets. (It also happens naturally, too. Mapper are forced to resolve the issues that pop up) It also prevents people from trying to farm kudosu by telling friends to upvote them.

timemon wrote: 6j2y34

upvotes increasing kudosu seems a bit weird because not many people actually read mod posts (and go out of their way to upvote them) plus they usually get shoved into "Resolved" which most modders will mod just on the pending.

Wouldn't it be cooler to tie kudosu gain to "resolved" instead? when mapper replies and resolves the issue, the modder gets kudosu so you don't have to make every BNs go upvote every posts in case the mapper forgets. (It also happens naturally, too. Mapper are forced to resolve the issues that pop up) It also prevents people from trying to farm kudosu by telling friends to upvote them.

yes, please

literally everyone from modhelp wants that, its just impossible to mod cause you dont know if the mapper gonna upvote ur mod or not, even if the suggestion gonna get "resolved"

there will be "squads" of upvoters for abuse for sure.

i hope devs gonna figure this thing out asap.

Rather than worrying about the system, please try using it as intended. We are still in a phase of analysing usage and need people actually using the system rather than giving up on it.

We'll tackle "abuse" as it appears. We'll also ensure that upvotes happen for resolved issues which were not upvoted.

peppy wrote: 6w4l42

Rather than worrying about the system, please try using it as intended.

Some are not going to use it as intended, and you know it

peppy wrote: 6w4l42

We are still in a phase of analysing usage and need people actually using the system rather than giving up on it.

Gathering data to know how the system is being is used is good, yes. Also, we are stating a possible scenario which your gathered data should, in theory, show eventually. We are not giving up on the system.

peppy wrote: 6w4l42

We'll tackle "abuse" as it appears. We'll also ensure that upvotes happen for resolved issues which were not upvoted.

Just curious, what advantages does having it moderated have over what is proposed?

lol so is kudosu still usable for raising the Star Rate or something for catching the BN's attention etc. or it just becomes useless number like pp in modding v2?

peppy wrote: 6w4l42

Rather than worrying about the system, please try using it as intended. We are still in a phase of analysing usage and need people actually using the system rather than giving up on it.

Im kinda curious what you think if there will be no upvotes and checkmarks, but instead something like icons that would indicate if the suggestions was helpful?

Honestly, I think that "problem" icon should be only available for QAT/BNG, since it would force the mapper to respond accordingly right away. For now, if you put "problem" on ur post, the mapper can put "solved" without ur agreement, which makes this button useless and equates it to "suggestion" button.

Few words in regards of upvotes/downvotes.

We are not on reddit. Mapping/Modding is something that demands competence, its not the place where you can shitpost and get upvotes for it cuz its funny.

Now we are forced to use timeline, which removes all the possibility for meme trains, dramas and such. I can ensure you that nobody will use it, there are very low amount of people who checks mod posts of others, and you know, almost all of them are from QAT/BNG when they rechecking the thread for something they could miss.

Now, you might also think that this thing could be usefull if a disscussion appears and two people cant decide what to do, so others can upvote what they think is right.

No. It will never be like that and never was. At the end of the day, only staff decide what is going to be ranked and what is not, they dont care what people think, because 95% of them are incompetent.

However, going back to initial thing, I modded a map and got 8 suggestions applied.

And 0 kudosu received.

We'll also ensure that upvotes happen for resolved issues which were not upvoted.

How? All of the suggestions people are bring up getting "solved" no matter if they were solved or not.

How would you track that if the modder gonna suggest something, and the mapper gonna say "yea okay" but instead of applying it, he forgets it/or even makes something way different. But the suggestion is "solved", modder got the point for it, when in reality nothing changed in map.

hi, i dont know if this has been addressed before so forgive me if i repeated something from ages ago.
Is it possible to go back to the beatmap page from modding pannel like the old site? And doesn't it show who favorites your beatmap anymore?

edit : a way to change map's description directly on new site?

peppy wrote: 6w4l42

1 upvote = 1 kudosu
2 upvotes = 2 kudosu
5+ upvotes = 3 kudosu

this will be tweaked as we figure how the system is used (and retroactively applied).

also the teams will be going through discussions when qualification/ranking happens to weed out abuse and reward discussions which haven't been upvoted by s.

Do downvoted comment remove kudosu then?

Pachiru wrote: 4t2243

peppy wrote: 6w4l42

1 upvote = 1 kudosu
2 upvotes = 2 kudosu
5+ upvotes = 3 kudosu

this will be tweaked as we figure how the system is used (and retroactively applied).

also the teams will be going through discussions when qualification/ranking happens to weed out abuse and reward discussions which haven't been upvoted by s.

Do downvoted comment remove kudosu then?

Downvotes don't removed kudosu if there wasn't a upvote but it just make it a bit harder to get kd out of the post since you need at least 1 upvote

But it does removed kudosu if you downvoted a mod that was already upvoted (tested)

Something doesn't seem right here.



Chrome Version 62.0.3202.94 (Official Build) (64-bit). Tried turning off all extensions. Seems to only happen on the timeline tab filtered to only my (single) suggestion.