I want free mods too

rip... my old ... O L D mappppp ....

As someone who absolutely loathes the current modding process...

... this certainly makes things more enticing to work on. Really good work, guys!

ay this is cool af

zen's name though

Stop praise it guys! First test it, then praise it!

Is there any way to comment on general issues the set has. For example, if I dislike combo colours and can offer better ones. Or do I have to spam the thing for every difficulty?

Probably needs overall [General] section as it would help out. Apart from that, I believe it is somewhat usable.
The possibilit to upvote suggestions is also pretty weird. I'd get rid of that.

How will this affect irc modding? Will this be the only way of modding in the future?

Bakari wrote: 5g405f

Is there any way to comment on general issues the set has. For example, if I dislike combo colours and can offer better ones. Or do I have to spam the thing for every difficulty?

Probably needs overall [General] section as it would help out. Apart from that, I believe it is somewhat usable.

Did you try using it? There's already a general (just don't enter a timestamp).

will guest diffs be officially ed through this system or will things have to be done through the mapset owner?

Is the [General] thing applies to all difficulties or only to the one that is currently selected? I am testing it at this moment and I don't think it does apply to all diffs.

Great job, my bad I didn't get it at first.

peppy wrote: 6w4l42

Did you try using it? There's already a general (just don't enter a timestamp).

Is the general aim the comment for every difficulty?

I'm assuming beatmap links would be more accessible later on considering clicking the title leads to butts :d

also, double tapping enter too fast kinda double posts, not sure if that's a big issue though

LordRaika also had problems changing the difficulty from the drop down menu, kinda asked him to post the issue

Pressing on the mapper's name leads to http://new.ppy.sh/u/undefined rather than the mapper's profile.

1. button will be useful

2. message field is too small? There no space for detailed information.

3. design for this, i don't want to brainstorm here with ideas (you guys can do this better anyways) but huge list, large mod icons and duplicate mod name on every item looks odd

Would be wonderful if reloading the page brought you back to the last difficulty you were modding

Sieg wrote: 565dp

2. message field is too small? There no space for detailed information.

SPOILER

SPOILER

You're not really supposed to put whole paragraphs for single mod points most of the time. If you need more space, you can drag the diagonal lines in the bottom right of the input area, same as current forum posts.

Okay, after testing out a few things, I believe that this would be a good idea to separate general from difficulty-specific issues that are currently being posted in General.

To be more specific, the picture in the spoilerbox can't be fixed to a certain difficulty, although it really should be fixed to Easy.

AncuL wrote: 4w3h6a

peppy wrote: 6w4l42

Did you try using it? There's already a general (just don't enter a timestamp).

Is the general aim the comment for every difficulty?

from what i can gather, either starting your message without a timestamp or clicking on General above the Timeline would make a comment for General, which would apply to every difficulty. i can't seem to find a way to talk about a specific difficulty in general, without timestamps (when you're talking about map settings, or recurring errors etc.)

quoting this portion for the sake of it

1. This thread is not for asking for features (unless they are necessary for basic modding)
2. Please provide valid modding for the map so we can get an idea of how it works

I just hope the timeline won't became unreadable after a tons of suggestions ^^'

Really nice so far after some testing.

I'm posting too much, but there is absolutely no reason to kee the "resolved" tick availiable for praise comments.

Difficulty-specific are somewhat moddable as they are, but when we talk about modding storyboards in general, this is not comfortable at all. Why can't we have a certain category for storyboards or general timestamps as well?

Loctav wrote: 3n5266

The new modding is one of the first steps of introducing modding v2.

Besides this new feature, may I ask what modding v2 is actually?

Loctav wrote: 3n5266

1. Please provide valid modding for the map so we can get an idea of how it works

Bakari wrote: 5g405f

I'm posting too much, but there is absolutely no reason to kee the "resolved" tick availiable for praise comments.

Are praises considered mods if they tell you to change something minor to make it more great?

From what I have seen, this will make tracking mods for each diff easier.

is it just me or is the mods taking quite some time to process? i wrote a kinda large mod for overcomplexification and its still giving me the loading screen

wait is it supposed to be one at a time or just full blown

koopa712 wrote: 4jr3i

Are praises considered mods if they tell you to change something minor to make it more great?

From what I have seen, this will make tracking mods for each diff easier.

It is something we call "Suggestion" :p


Yes, Anxient, same happens to me from time to time!

i think there is a problem with the timesnap link of the selected hitobject


EDIT: noticed that in STD those timesnap works fine, maybe just for osu!mania?

The future is now! I find it mostly useful because every single suggestion will be directly saved in the webpage. Otherwise, with a normal mod it's quite usual to lose part of it, either due to the browser or the computer. Looking forward to see it implemented at last!

General section should differ between Praise/Suggestion/Problem, too
There should be a difficulty-specific General section (for overall issues in the difficulty in specific), right next to the mapset-overall General section

*runs*

i feel like there should be a general section. like usually mods go like this

maybe there will be a place for this later in the future or maybe you already know and im wasting my time

There should be a section where guest diff makers can their osu file, so that the host will be easy to grab it and fix it.

Anxient wrote: 44g60

i feel like there should be a general section. like usually mods go like this

general
bg size exceeds 1366x768. pls fix

audio bitrate is too high, please compress

tags are missing from xx diff to yy diff.

maybe there will be a place for this later in the future or maybe you already know and im wasting my time

there's already a general section

if you click on general it will show the comment of the overall beatmap

if you click on timeline it will shows the comment of that specific difficulty that you have selected,


i think it needs another section, maybe metadata/general issue of the beatmap?? This to not mix up the timing,metadata storyboard issue with the general comments

The first thing that leapt to me was that there is no way to Edit your messages, and that links (such as puush) do not become clickable. Are the mod windows BBCode friendly? If not maybe they should be.


....yeah

Harbyter wrote: 3e6i6m

Anxient wrote: 44g60

i feel like there should be a general section. like usually mods go like this

general
bg size exceeds 1366x768. pls fix

audio bitrate is too high, please compress

tags are missing from xx diff to yy diff.

maybe there will be a place for this later in the future or maybe you already know and im wasting my time

there's already a general section

if you click on general it will show the comment of the overall beatmap

if you click on timeline it will shows the comment of that specific difficulty that you have selected,


i think it needs another section, maybe metadata/general issue of the beatmap?? This to not mix up the timing,metadata storyboard issue with the general comments

i did it guys im hitting every single roadblock in modding v2 for everyone.

Shiirn wrote: 234850

The first thing that leapt to me was that there is no way to Edit your messages, and that links (such as puush) do not become clickable. Are the mod windows BBCode friendly? If not maybe they should be.


....yeah

I am pretty sure markdown is the future instead. Don't quote me on that.

Shiirn wrote: 234850

The first thing that leapt to me was that there is no way to Edit your messages, and that links (such as puush) do not become clickable. Are the mod windows BBCode friendly? If not maybe they should be.


....yeah

Yeah, there should be an option to change the message and it's type (problem, suggestion, praise). I wrote a praise followed by a suggestion and choose a praise when it's supposed to be a suggestion and now I can't change it (see it here, bottom of the page for the easy diff). And sadly it's not BBCode freindly... yet?

To save people repeating the same thing, here's some things which have been mentioned many times and will be added:

- Editing posts will be available.
- There will be a general section per difficulty. Right now it's only available for the whole map set.
- Formatting may become a thing, but it will be limited. Individual posts are supposed to be small and to the point (single sentence or paragraph).
- The difficulty selection dropdown doesn't scale so well to sets with tens of difficulties. It will be fixed.

@loctav feel free to put these in the OP.

wew looks awesome
I'll try it

Loctav wrote: 3n5266

Shiirn wrote: 234850

The first thing that leapt to me was that there is no way to Edit your messages, and that links (such as puush) do not become clickable. Are the mod windows BBCode friendly? If not maybe they should be.


....yeah

I am pretty sure markdown is the future instead. Don't quote me on that.

I always thought of markdown as a step forward by taking a step back. It's so incredibly simplistic that it's limiting. But it'd probably work pretty damn well for something like this.

Also, maybe a function that would let us refresh the page without being shoved back to the easiest diff.


What seems to be the point of the thumbs system? Things are going to be ordered by timeline, you'd think it would be ordered by thumb priority. Especially since with the links in there you can very freely leap around in the map... but i'm just suggesting things damn nevermind heh. The whole thing seems pretty functional. I'd love modding with this system. It's a lot cleaner.

Where's the freaking button to the map? there should be one imo, also a .osu for each selected difficulty page

hyouri wrote: 223r6j

Where's the freaking button to the map? there should be one imo, also a .osu for each selected difficulty page

I believe that's not implemented yet

added the set links of old webpage to the OP (for easier ing, I suppose, as long as you can not from the discussion page yet)

With the new system, how will people be able to tell when a map is ready for BNs?

Is there any intention to make it possible to filter comments? Like being able to filter comments that s have marked as 'Praise' so you are able to look through suggestions easier?

I don't know if it's just me, but with this system I feel compelled to mark every single thing as "suggestion" unless it's somethat that blatantly breaks the RC. Was that the intention?

can't you just mark that as a problem?

deadbeat wrote: 819

can't you just mark that as a problem?

I think that is what they are saying.

Are problems only things that break RC or are they more? Is it defined what a problem is or would we have some sort of guideline on what a problem would be.

Are suggestions just aesthetic or is it everything that doesn't break RC?


Stuff like that.

Riari wrote: 3p3f2f

I think that is what they are saying.

Are problems only things that break RC or are they more? Is it defined what a problem is or would we have some sort of guideline on what a problem would be.

Are suggestions just aesthetic or is it everything that doesn't break RC?


Stuff like that.

It's more like what you're thinking the issue is. If you think it really affect badly how the map is, mark it as problem, and if it's just an personnal improvement or small suggestion, you can mark it as suggestion.

Nozhomi wrote: 6f1s42

It's more like what you're thinking the issue is. If you think it really affect badly how the map is, mark it as problem, and if it's just an personnal improvement or small suggestion, you can mark it as suggestion.

Makes sense.

OMG why the infinite load after I made a mod line lol

Things to consider compared to the current system might be kudosu and star priority, or mostly "modding incentive". Modders mod a map, and they get an outcome in the form of the mapper's reply, and a kudosu (if providen) whether they wanted or not. Some revision will be needed within the new modding .

I know the fundamental purpose of modding should be quality enhancing, but it is curious what will happen for modding kudos. Provided per every line? Provided only once per map? How to provide?

Sonnyc wrote: 56555

I know the fundamental purpose of modding should be quality enhancing, but it is curious what will happen for modding kudos. Provided per every line? Provided only once per map? How to provide?

Probably only once per map, one per line would be absurd (also who care eless kds nowadays).

I don't think you should be able to upvote your own suggestions.

I can't try it right now, but it looks really cool !
You made a great job ty.

Default wrote: 693111

I don't think you should be able to upvote your own suggestions.

Also maybe making s how upvoted visible (as discus) might be cool? Not sure if it is purposely annonymous though.

i'll also post here,,

maybe it needs a ''denied'' button too , not only ''resolved''

Resolved includes both denied and applied.

this is gunna take some time to get used to xd

Seems a bit confusing ,but it should be nice :3

So... 2000 words long mods wont be a thing anymore or will we be still allowed to drop walls of texts as mods aswell?
I like the coherent flow of an idividual text more than a timeline everyone can post on (mb im misunderstanding this?), since you can specificly aim to mod one aspect of a map at a time and not just throw everything you see on a timeline. OR just have a distinct style which needs to be done in text form :/
Imo small comments on a section don't allways cut it to bring one's point across either.

The different kind of tags you can put on your comments are awesome though. Now i dont need to use different colours to distinguish suggestions from problems (never did but i'd love to try it out).

It would be cool, if every mod could have its own timeline and you could toggle all of them together to see overlapping problems. Like this people will be able to see what has been mentioned or look at the comment and decide for himself if its a problem or worth changing.

Also: Is that header thing customaizable? It might cut the background in a wierd way, so maybe allow the submitter to change the position of the background so it looks cool :[

Posting for the sake of posting so replies end up in my inbox and I dont forget about this later in the day. I need to try this, it looks cool

First thing I noticed that needs to be fixed is to allow mappers to tick the resolved box even after replying to a comment. Since I'm unable to currently edit my comments, there are multiple replies that do not have the resolved option selected, while they should have. Also I think it would be nice if the most upvoted mods would show on top of the page of the respective difficulty

So... 2000 words long mods wont be a thing anymore or will we be still allowed to drop walls of texts as mods aswell?

Don't see the problem in having very long mods in this new format, and you can just scroll directly to the bottom if their to much of them.

Already with the fact modders can now list what needs to be fixed and what is suggestion is leaps and bounds better than what we have been doing, aka color coding text, now things are much more clear for our mappers, I made a suggestion myself just now!

Really nice! Never thought this will be released so fast since the last time Ephemeral said something about it on #modhelp.

I just hope the BBCode buttons will be kept for this system too. As long as they make things friendlier to read and understand.

i wish there can be more interfaces for long mod posts as well

Ok so one thing I find limiting is that since this is focused to be posts with short mod descriptions, it doesn't really allow me to deliver the full picture of what I am trying to mod. I think having a hierarchy for this would be nice. You have a mod - the post relating to the range of timing it applies to (should not be too big) along with a short description, and within that mod are the individual edits you want to apply. I had to be a bit creative to achieve what format I am aiming for here, take a look at the Liberation (4k Insane) diff. Also I am using keywords such as ADD and BRING, and I think native for those keywords would present a nice format to display the edits in.

My first post looks too ugly to look at btw. Why even?

It looks really good and easy to use. I only wonder about that overlap here: http://kurokami.s-ul.eu/U3tP7oeJ on overcomplexification [Extreme]. Along with timestamps it could become unreadable. Or just my browser bugged a bit due to my internet. :C

Hmm, I'm getting a "Failed Saving Post" message; will try posting later.

this is a feature-asking request but can you probably have the creator a control to who can resolve / deny it?
edit: and probably make the "hidden comments" the default one because sometimes the comment is painful to be scrolled

Great. Just one little thing bothering me:


Wouldn't be better if the diff name was on top and the gamemode name below?
We already now what game mode it is by looking at the icon, and it's easier to navigate looking directly at the diff names (also, they are hard to read because the font size is too small).

lol modding v2 is alot more fun than i thought :L

The "FontAwesome" font used for several symbols doesn't look good if you disable font anti-aliasing. Since the font is used for characters usually not present in a font, they can't be replaced with web safe fonts.

Kurai wrote: 3u5l6g

Great. Just one little thing bothering me:


Wouldn't be better if the diff name was on top and the gamemode name below?
We already now what game mode it is by looking at the icon, and it's easier to navigate looking directly at the diff names (also, they are hard to read because the font size is too small).

like this? lol

i think with the way the font is used Exo 2.0 SemiBold and Semi Light (?), i think the "1" and "y" would be too close to touching. but hey thats just me. well this would only apply yo Easy tho :L

Anxient wrote: 44g60

lol modding v2 is alot more fun than i thought :L

Yup, i think the same too lol. As we can discuss the selected part one by one with each mappers/modders opinion.

I've written up all the so far in github issues.

https://github.com/ppy/osu-web/mileston ... g%20System

Please either file issues yourself (if you have a github and are willing) or post here with anything that hasn't been added yet.

[suggestion for interface]
I prefer using tab (with more orderly of course) like old website
than use scroll list, it's make me tired to scroll

Btw, is it only me who experience a broken web?

Liiraye wrote: 66492b

How will this affect irc modding? Will this be the only way of modding in the future?

still looking for an answer

this thread is not for such questions, but have an ansewr: yes

not the thread for discussing of rewards. that will come in time.

err 1 more thing that still bugging me...

i cant change difficulty.... since the beginning of this new modding ....


Notice the link above... 123760/discussion#:436586 (ive already click another diff, the link changed)
but its just staying at "lZenxl's Easy" difficulty...

im using Google Chrome.
it just wont load another difficulty's page or something.... any idea whats wrong with it?

Deppyforce wrote: fy4f

How about when those map got rank... everyone got kds....
dont know how much..... but +1 for each person is fair... and "extra" kds for those who mod moreeee

raika to be fair kds really doesnt do anything other than show that you want this map ranked

looks at brain power

nice

I don't know if this has been discussed, but whatever I need to emphasise this.

I strongly recommend to avoid using drop-down menu. This takes significant effort when switching between difficulties, especially that it has multiple modes, and it takes like 5 seconds each time finding a difficulty.

Make difficulties display flat on the board like current beatmap info page will be far more friendly. Like:


You can make buttons smaller, saving more space on the board. The idea will also make the most of the wasted white space of the right of the drop down-button.

Thanks for reading.

Flower wrote: 4e3w57

I don't know if this has been discussed, but whatever I need to emphasise this.

I strongly recommend to avoid using drop-down menu. This takes significant effort when switching between difficulties, especially that it has multiple modes, and it takes like 5 seconds each time finding a difficulty.

Make difficulties display flat on the board like current beatmap info page will be far more friendly. Like:

image

You can make buttons smaller, saving more space on the board. The idea will also make the most of the wasted white space of the right of the drop down-button.

Thanks for reading.

Agree with that.

Flower wrote: 4e3w57

I don't know if this has been discussed, but whatever I need to emphasise this.

I strongly recommend to avoid using drop-down menu. This takes significant effort when switching between difficulties, especially that it has multiple modes, and it takes like 5 seconds each time finding a difficulty.

Make difficulties display flat on the board like current beatmap info page will be far more friendly. Like:

image

You can make buttons smaller, saving more space on the board. The idea will also make the most of the wasted white space of the right of the drop down-button.

Thanks for reading.

Same thing

(Not sure if this is the place for suggestions, but here's my first impression of this +suggestions)

It looks really clean and nice-looking! I especially like the praise capability.

In order to make the modding site a little less busy at first glance, it might be a good idea to automatically collapse all resolved threads (I know that there's a Pending button, but at first glance it's a lot). If another modder finds something at the same note, then s/he could open up that mod and figure out if the mod was already resolved.

Maybe instead, once the map is updated all of the accepted mods could go away completely as they do not need to be dealt with again (this could also reduce the clutter in the timeline as someone above posted something about).


This is purely aesthetic, but consider on the timeline to put general time frames (0:00, 1 min, 2 min, end time, etc) , because it seems a bit plain with only the lines on it and it would give a sense of where to click to find the place where a mod might be time wise (to check if one suggestion has been discussed or not). I would definitely not put timestamps on all mod lines.


I noticed that when collapsed, there is no way to make there not be shadow on at least one of the boxes, maybe if you click on the same box again it goes back to no shadow.


If something is collapsed and it is selected through the top bar, expand the box. Also, maybe make the sidebar icon also able to do that, but it might take away the functionality of the expand/collapse button... hm

Is there a way (planned ?) to point many timepoints in a same post ? Like having the possibility to create an issue and attach a list of all timepoints where the problem occurs ? Or should we do this throught general ?

Also if you're going to beatmap general section why not go for gamemode general section too, so modders and the mapper can discuss about the gamemode spread there ?

I like the way you get an overall view on what's pending/denied?/resolved very neat idea. I also like the way one problem have one discution thread, search discution about one specific issue in a big ass thread is a real pain.

Good work so far.

Drafura wrote: 3pc1b

Is there a way (planned ?) to point many timepoints in a same post ? Like having the possibility to create an issue and attach a list of all timepoints where the problem occurs ? Or should we do this throught general ?

For the time being you'd either refer to the first point it happens and then point out the rest in brackets, or if it's a more serious issue you'd likely post at each point it happens.

Drafura wrote: 3pc1b

Also if you're going to beatmap general section why not go for gamemode general section too, so modders and the mapper can discuss about the gamemode spread there ?

Probably a bit too complicated to add so many general sections.

peppy wrote: 6w4l42

Drafura wrote: 3pc1b

Also if you're going to beatmap general section why not go for gamemode general section too, so modders and the mapper can discuss about the gamemode spread there ?

Probably a bit too complicated to add so many general sections.

From what I've seen an "easy" way to implement it would be to add a "Spread discution" difficulty for each game mode in the top combo box, this difficulty will have no timeline discution, only a general discution section.

"Easy" implying it's possible to add fake difficulties in the combo box, disable timeline for fake difficulties, adapt database scheme to store general discution of fake difficulties, other things... But i'm getting out topic here cause it's not a suggestion thread.

This actually looks really cool

Sonnyc wrote: 56555

SPOILER

Btw, is it only me who experience a broken web?

After the a new test being released, I still experience this issue. (Internet Explorer 11)

Besides, clicking the other difficulties does not allow me moving to another. It just stucks at "Extra". Couldn't try the lower diffs on modv2 this time.

Also I feel it to be awesome if "Praise/Suggestion/Problem" category is also visible in the mobile version. Hell yeah, none will apply mods by looking at their mobile device, but at least I frequently check mod replies through my phone. Providing additional information whether something is a problem, or a praise etc will help more imo.

Any thoughts on when this will be public?

Although editing response is available, but shouldn't you add resolve mark when edit the response? just in case if the mapper forgot to mark the issue resolved, rather than do double or multiple response to mark as resolved

Two replies spawned along with this error when I pressed the problem button. Might be due to my mouse button having poor conductivity, causing rapid clicking. What can I do to provide more helpful info?





Some other things:

When forgetting press resolve upon making a comment, I need to make another blank comment to check resolve. Can this be part of editing your last unreplied message?

For situations where the modder doesn't want to do the work of going into the log and copy pasting the stuff over, can there be a feature that allows to reference/post for them? Seeing myself replying to myself just looks weird.

I feel like just having them post a pastebin of the irc in the general section would work. Not like anyone reads those anyway lol

I think one thing that could be great for those of us that use notepad to write mods down (a good way to avoid losing stuff to random crashes / bad internet) would be some thing that allows us to post a giant blob of stuff like most people do now, and sorts it into separate points. obviously not something that is particularly easy to implement / built into the mv2 platform, but it would definitely be one of the most useful things that could be added since atm posting in a block is completely impossible.

Wouldn't it be a feasible feature to allow a batch of mods separated by newlines and a timestamp be separated and it would be automatically be formatted as separate mods below. Also, with the inclusion of an autosave feature likely saved in browser cookies for those who write walls of text.

I mean writing line after line feels awkward. Would be a neat thing to add for efficiency.

i think that's more of a getting-used-to-new-workflow thing. please give it a chance.

being able to individually select suggestion/problem/praise is not to be undervalued.

Could we be enlightened on how Kudosu! works since it's implemented now? Seems to be based on Votes, and more votes = more Kudosu!. Is there a cap per mapset?