I'm having a strange problem. My top100 plays don't appear to be updating but whenever I get a new topPP it updates. Recently I got 2 FL plays on 3 star maps (one was HRHDFL) that were both leader boards and they have not updated in memory, but I got several HR plays in my topPP recently and they all show up. Any ideas why?
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any possibility of a graph showing the increase of our stats? (think like the rank graph we have on our profile, or the graphs on ameobas site)
while im at it, a way to see what rank a person is on their individual stats (ie, if i look up myself, i should be able to see what rank i have in all of the 5-6 stats available right on the profile page)
while im at it, a way to see what rank a person is on their individual stats (ie, if i look up myself, i should be able to see what rank i have in all of the 5-6 stats available right on the profile page)
I have a top 50 FL play that doesn't show in my "Memory" category. Is this supposed to happen?
Just because you did memorize parts doesn't mean that memorization is necessary to SS the map with the mods used.
I just checked the map and it is absolutely SS-able on sightread, nothing you have to memorize if you have good reading on AR7.25 with HD.
(FC'd with HDHRFL second try and DT doesn't influence readability on FL)
I just checked the map and it is absolutely SS-able on sightread, nothing you have to memorize if you have good reading on AR7.25 with HD.
(FC'd with HDHRFL second try and DT doesn't influence readability on FL)
One of my "top" accuracy plays is some 48% acc nf score on a 7 star map http://osuskills.tk//Wiz%20Khalifa/skill/accuracy http://i.imgur.com/saGNrHT.png
I'm dying from laughter.Wiz Khalifa wrote: 2eg2
One of my "top" accuracy plays is some 48% acc nf score on a 7 star map http://osuskills.tk//Wiz%20Khalifa/skill/accuracy http://i.imgur.com/saGNrHT.png
Way to go, Kert.
That rating literally invalidates any other accuracy-rating as accuracy doesn't seem to scale with OD only but also with star difficulty in some way while disregarding the achieved accuracy which is entirely wrong.
Today we release player title badges!
Title is a short summary of your best skills.
You can have up to 3 titles so far. First one is defined by your Stamina, Tenacity, Agility, Accuracy skills.
Second one is defined by Precision, Memory, Reading.
Third title is a special one
Example:
If you're good at Stamina and Tenacity you get >title name1< here. If you're good at Tenacity only you get >another title name< here.
There is a total of 27 titles currently.
We'll probably make an infographic at some point later to better explain what is this concept about.
Super silly accuracy calculation bug was also fixed.
Title is a short summary of your best skills.
You can have up to 3 titles so far. First one is defined by your Stamina, Tenacity, Agility, Accuracy skills.
Second one is defined by Precision, Memory, Reading.
Third title is a special one
Example:
If you're good at Stamina and Tenacity you get >title name1< here. If you're good at Tenacity only you get >another title name< here.
There is a total of 27 titles currently.
We'll probably make an infographic at some point later to better explain what is this concept about.
Super silly accuracy calculation bug was also fixed.
slowlymore2
Twice a day at max.slowlymore2 wrote: 2i6b4s
How often is it possible to update your page on the site? Just wondering because I set a new reasonably high pp play with terrible acc and wanted to see how it will impact my stats <3
I'll answer this kind of question one time :p20Below wrote: 4c338
Quick question - What do the things like Berserk and Swift mean?
Swift is for players who are best at Agility (in comparison with their other skills)
Berserk is for those who are good at Stamina, Agililty, Tenacity BUT not Accuracy
it calculate od of songs that you play, not overall accuracy that you haveemanfman wrote: 1f4j61
I'm very disappointed with the accuracy calculation... it lists me as berserk but my global acc is above 99%. Please reconsider some stuff in that formula!
you can farm accuracy at od0 map and have 100% overall accuracy, but it doesn't mean, that you good at acc
So far the titles I have found are:
ambitious
spirited
sage
perceptive
adventurous
sharpshooter
versatile
berserk
swift
volatile
pirate
frantic
sturdy
fearless
adamant
volcanic
furious
and special title i think - developer
Total of 18, so according to Kert, 9 are still unknown to me, has anyone found something?
ambitious
spirited
sage
perceptive
adventurous
sharpshooter
versatile
berserk
swift
volatile
pirate
frantic
sturdy
fearless
adamant
volcanic
furious
and special title i think - developer
Total of 18, so according to Kert, 9 are still unknown to me, has anyone found something?
Neat, I got versatile. I do have a question about the scores. Take what I have in the tapping stamina category. http://osuskills.tk//Khelly/skill/stamina
Why is Halozy - Little Summer Party (Takos) [Lunatic] +DT (93.6%) so low on this list? This is a very hard map to actually tap at certain points - I still fail it even though I have an fc. The top 5 in this category are all stream maps. Uroboros is hard to tap, I'll give it that. But Sayonara superstar, faith for transient people, stop, and especially kimi no hitomi are complete jokes in regards to tapping. At least comparing them to Little Summer Party.
If you go to the tenacity page, Summer Party is actually much higher in placement which doesn't seem to fit in with the "stream stamina". It especially pales in comparison to maps like Voice and second darkside.
Am I missing something? Do I have these definitions wrong?
Why is Halozy - Little Summer Party (Takos) [Lunatic] +DT (93.6%) so low on this list? This is a very hard map to actually tap at certain points - I still fail it even though I have an fc. The top 5 in this category are all stream maps. Uroboros is hard to tap, I'll give it that. But Sayonara superstar, faith for transient people, stop, and especially kimi no hitomi are complete jokes in regards to tapping. At least comparing them to Little Summer Party.
If you go to the tenacity page, Summer Party is actually much higher in placement which doesn't seem to fit in with the "stream stamina". It especially pales in comparison to maps like Voice and second darkside.
Am I missing something? Do I have these definitions wrong?
Here is what I came up with. The "x" symbol represents unknown titles that exist for sure. Where "x" stands i think it's very unlikely to see a player with that title, because stamina and tenacity are very similar, it's almost impossible to find someone who has a lot of stamina but no tenacity & vice versa. The total number of titles + possible titles in this list is 25, so I am missing 2. The ones which are in italic and have a "?" are a bit questionable, probably not what they represent(correct me plz). Can't think of anything else =/
STAMINA/TENACITY/AGILITY/ACCURACY
swift - agility
perceptive - accuracy
x - tenacity
x - stamina
sturdy - accuracy + stamina
volcanic - stamina+tenacity
spirited - agility+accuracy
adventurous - tenacity + agility
furious - agility + stamina ?
adamant - tenacity + accuracy ?
berserk - agility+stamina+tenacity
volatile - agility + tenacity + accuracy
fearless - accuracy+stamina+tenacity
frantic - agility+stamina+acc ?
versatile - balanced ?
ambitious - balanced but weaker ?
MEMORY/PRECISION/READING
sage - memory
sharpshooter - precision
pirate - memory + precision
+5 unknown, yet to be seen after reading skill implementation
SPECIAL
developer
STAMINA/TENACITY/AGILITY/ACCURACY
swift - agility
perceptive - accuracy
x - tenacity
x - stamina
sturdy - accuracy + stamina
volcanic - stamina+tenacity
spirited - agility+accuracy
adventurous - tenacity + agility
furious - agility + stamina ?
adamant - tenacity + accuracy ?
berserk - agility+stamina+tenacity
volatile - agility + tenacity + accuracy
fearless - accuracy+stamina+tenacity
frantic - agility+stamina+acc ?
versatile - balanced ?
ambitious - balanced but weaker ?
MEMORY/PRECISION/READING
sage - memory
sharpshooter - precision
pirate - memory + precision
+5 unknown, yet to be seen after reading skill implementation
SPECIAL
developer
Damn, you sure have given this a lot of thought! Very detailed list.
Something bugs me though. There are people, who are "Versatile Pirate". If I go by your table, that must mean that they are balanced players, who excel in memory and precision. However, their table shows that precision is actually their least developed skill. Here is an example: http://osuskills.tk//BluOxy
Now, I don't have a problem with your definition of "versatile", but I think "pirate" must mean something else.
Something bugs me though. There are people, who are "Versatile Pirate". If I go by your table, that must mean that they are balanced players, who excel in memory and precision. However, their table shows that precision is actually their least developed skill. Here is an example: http://osuskills.tk//BluOxy
Now, I don't have a problem with your definition of "versatile", but I think "pirate" must mean something else.
The wrong one just has to be frantic! I couldn't find the one guy who had it and I just slapped it on a random combination that was left unused. Also I am wondering if there are existing players with the missing titles, they have to be extremely rare. For information, of all the players that I checked, only 1 had the title frantic.abraker wrote: 6cx2d
Wow you took this seriously and we appreciate your effort! Out of all of these, there is something wrong. You are also missing several, so good luck hunting for the rest!Defacer wrote: 1v4f2j
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As for the the versatile pirate thing. First title is calculated based on stamina/tenacity/accuracy/agility, second title on the rest and they have no connection between and that's why you can have both. Of course there is a third title, but that's extremely exclusive haha.
Hello, is it possible to have an ETA for when the title infographic will come out? Even though people already did some research and explained them to some extent, it would still be nice to have official info that's 100% real. Even if some of the titles aren't obtainable yet due to reading skills not being released, you could add the ones that are obtainable at the moment.
XD let them work on the reading stuff. The inforgraphic will come out when everything's ready. I know it wouldn't take long to make it, but I think it's more interesting this way, people are researching, excited, and using their app. We all are winning for now. Just imagine how cool it will be when all the information about the titles, the true information, is officially released... It will be awesome to compare what we found out with what is real
I can say that there is no point in general, but I will rather say there is no point in doing it now. First, peppy plans to change how spinners work, second the /api/get_scores command doesn't return spin speed, so there is no way of knowing without replays. I'll leave it to kert or someone else to say why (or why not =.=) spinners skills is useless idea.snyviper wrote: 1r3a5x
Btw, do you think it's possible to add spin skills? They're not much of a value in osu!, i know... but it's still very rewarding when you get to spin at 460+ rpm
You've said the top 100 scores are updated weekly, but the website says it was last updated 8 days ago, going on 9 now. http://puu.sh/mRzul/23e4112897.png
I figured the update would be automated, is it not or did something go wrong with it? Any idea when the next update will be?
I figured the update would be automated, is it not or did something go wrong with it? Any idea when the next update will be?
Oh, I didn't know peppy planned to change how spinners work... Is it in the forums? Or... Where is it? xD I tried to find but I couldn't...
Yeah, I really think reading skill is much more important than everything else for now xD it was said it was very complicated, so... I wish you all good luck o/
I also think spin skill is not useless because it's fun xD but if it's not possible, can't do anything about that... But once I know what kind of changes are gonna happen to the spinners, I might have some ideas... But maybe not xD
Anyway, every suggestion is important for you, I think, so... I hope to be helping somehow xD
Yeah, I really think reading skill is much more important than everything else for now xD it was said it was very complicated, so... I wish you all good luck o/
I also think spin skill is not useless because it's fun xD but if it's not possible, can't do anything about that... But once I know what kind of changes are gonna happen to the spinners, I might have some ideas... But maybe not xD
Anyway, every suggestion is important for you, I think, so... I hope to be helping somehow xD
Well... About the titles, I've been making some graphs lately from my skills. I made 3 graphs in pentagon style (which was suggested here), and I noticed something it seems nobody else here did.
The first graph is about the skills the way they are shown in the site, for each player, it's also displayed on the rankings. I named it "Classic Measurement".
http://prntscr.com/9yudjw
The second graph is about the top play from each skill. You can see the highest points by clicking on the skill link from the player. I named it "Top Measurement".
http://prntscr.com/9yufbf
The third graph is about the ranking each of your skills were. You can find it if you look on the right page of the global ranking pages (it's in descending order, so it's easy to find). I named it "Rank Measurement".
http://prntscr.com/9yuhru
I noticed a huge difference from the 1st/2nd ones to the 3rd one. And by doing this, I found out that I really excel in accuracy, in relation to other players, and not in agility/tenacity, as the 1st and 2nd graphs suggest. Kert himself said we should compare our skills to other players to know if it's good or not, so I think the titles shouldn't be about the Classic Measurement, but the Rank Measurement. People would get more appropriate titles this way, like... I received Adventurous, which means best in tenacity+agility, but I should have received perceptive, which means best in accuracy (according to Defacer). I've been using the "Rank measurement" most when someone asks me to make them a graph, because I think it's more precise on the players skills.
Oh, and there would also have a bigger diversity on the titles, since now there are very rare and common titles, because agility is like almost always one of the highest skills.
What do you guys think?
The first graph is about the skills the way they are shown in the site, for each player, it's also displayed on the rankings. I named it "Classic Measurement".
http://prntscr.com/9yudjw
The second graph is about the top play from each skill. You can see the highest points by clicking on the skill link from the player. I named it "Top Measurement".
http://prntscr.com/9yufbf
The third graph is about the ranking each of your skills were. You can find it if you look on the right page of the global ranking pages (it's in descending order, so it's easy to find). I named it "Rank Measurement".
http://prntscr.com/9yuhru
I noticed a huge difference from the 1st/2nd ones to the 3rd one. And by doing this, I found out that I really excel in accuracy, in relation to other players, and not in agility/tenacity, as the 1st and 2nd graphs suggest. Kert himself said we should compare our skills to other players to know if it's good or not, so I think the titles shouldn't be about the Classic Measurement, but the Rank Measurement. People would get more appropriate titles this way, like... I received Adventurous, which means best in tenacity+agility, but I should have received perceptive, which means best in accuracy (according to Defacer). I've been using the "Rank measurement" most when someone asks me to make them a graph, because I think it's more precise on the players skills.
Oh, and there would also have a bigger diversity on the titles, since now there are very rare and common titles, because agility is like almost always one of the highest skills.
What do you guys think?
Just made another graph...
http://prntscr.com/9yuues
This imaginary player would be a totally average player, I took the same rank for every skill. This would be probably considered Berserker or Adventurous, and not (Versatile maybe?) the one which means balanced, which is what this player actually is.
http://prntscr.com/9yuues
This imaginary player would be a totally average player, I took the same rank for every skill. This would be probably considered Berserker or Adventurous, and not (Versatile maybe?) the one which means balanced, which is what this player actually is.
I'm not sure if the suggestion has been made yet or not but instead of grouping streaming as one large skill group maybe do stream acc and stream speed or something siimilar because of spaced streams and normal streams being very different skills (imo). Don't take my word for it cause i'm a pretty low rank, just something i thought would be nice, also great job so far hope to see this last a long time as it's very useful
Hm... Pentagon graphs are cooler, but they are not simple to program, I guess... It's not just put the lowest skill as the minimum, you may have noticed, I put the minimum number in the pentagon way lower than my lowest skill. Also, now that you said, I agree with you that bars are more representative, so... they probably should stay there, at least for some time. Only after everything else is made it should be thought again which one is better, even though bars are more likely to stay.Kert wrote: 6o3b5i
Agility is a bit weird in the upper numbers, I agree with this.
But I personally really don't like this kind of pentagon graphs, I think they are a lot less representative than bars.
So... are we gonna see changes in the titles according to the rankings in the future? What do you think?
Hm... I think that's a nice idea, but if they put it to work, then they gotta think about other skills too, which means from 5 skills we have now, we would get like 10 skills later?PizzaWings wrote: 43482e
I'm not sure if the suggestion has been made yet or not but instead of grouping streaming as one large skill group maybe do stream acc and stream speed or something siimilar because of spaced streams and normal streams being very different skills (imo). Don't take my word for it cause i'm a pretty low rank, just something i thought would be nice, also great job so far hope to see this last a long time as it's very useful
stream speed, stream accuracy, jump accuracy, jump speed, jump distance, precision in jumps, precision in streams, etc.
So... Even if that's a good idea, I think that wouldn't actually work...
Why not include a skill for how good a player can do clockwise vs counter-clockwise star patterns as well?snyviper wrote: 1r3a5x
Hm... I think that's a nice idea, but if they put it to work, then they gotta think about other skills too, which means from 5 skills we have now, we would get like 10 skills later?PizzaWings wrote: 43482e
I'm not sure if the suggestion has been made yet or not but instead of grouping streaming as one large skill group maybe do stream acc and stream speed or something siimilar because of spaced streams and normal streams being very different skills (imo). Don't take my word for it cause i'm a pretty low rank, just something i thought would be nice, also great job so far hope to see this last a long time as it's very useful
stream speed, stream accuracy, jump accuracy, jump speed, jump distance, precision in jumps, precision in streams, etc.
So... Even if that's a good idea, I think that wouldn't actually work...
It's a title, search a few pages back and you'll understand, it's still not official but Defacer has taken some of his time to try to find out what titles are there and what they mean, he found a meaning for berserk too, so.. if you find his post, you'll know. (repeating, what Defacer found is not official, but his guess).NaTha wrote: 5v3x2k
What does the "Berserk" under my Name mean?
E m i
Well... Not just agility. Look at this graph I made (and also posted here) http://prntscr.com/9yuuesMomiji wrote: 67g29
Agility just scales too hard, everyone is good at jump aim according to osuskills plz fix ;w;
This would be a totally average player, all skills are from the same rank. Agility and tenacity scales too much. Precision and accuracy scales too little. Not sure about stamina, maybe it's ok, maybe it's scaling too much...
timemon wrote: 6j2y34
well the maps are also at fault. but I agree, my agility stat is a little bit too high.Momiji wrote: 67g29
Agility just scales too hard, everyone is good at jump aim according to osuskills plz fix ;w;
What if everone's good at agility because they train it thus it's exactly where it ought to be
Sounds like a conspiracyKhelly wrote: 2m5eq
What if everone's good at agility because they train it thus it's exactly where it ought to be
I still think this should work on the human limits, not living being limits xD like best human agility=1000, best human tenacity=1000, worst human agility=0, etc... and not necessarily the most agile human ever lives nowadays and plays osu, so... At least something similar should be ok xD
E m i
I think everything scales just fine. My acc is extremely bad(almost any player rank 20k or better will have the same or better acc than me)compared to the rest(not counting in Precision since >CS6 doesn't really weight into my pp or top100) http://imgur.com/LeNBBKMsnyviper wrote: 1r3a5x
Well... Not just agility. Look at this graph I made (and also posted here) http://prntscr.com/9yuuesMomiji wrote: 67g29
Agility just scales too hard, everyone is good at jump aim according to osuskills plz fix ;w;
This would be a totally average player, all skills are from the same rank. Agility and tenacity scales too much. Precision and accuracy scales too little. Not sure about stamina, maybe it's ok, maybe it's scaling too much...
On a different note I'd really really really like to see a skill for Spinner. They're part of the game but everybody seems to forget them.
E m i
This doesn't even seem to be ed for (yet?), and I think that the center of objects is what matters more because it's approximately what players are aiming for.Kert wrote: 6o3b5i
Distance between objects is slightly bigger with HR and slightly smaller with EZ than nomod. This affects the speed you are talking about too
Kert, it affects speed very insignificantly. Smaller CS affects the distance by some 40 osu!px or so (need to run calculations). As for what I think he is trying to say is that the formula is factoring speed vs precision wrong. Agility is dependent on precision in regard that players loose pression the faster the jump is and pattern requires more precision the further the note is. Then the resultant precision from the 2 factors mentioned tell how likely the player is able to aim a certain note given CS.Momiji wrote: 67g29
This doesn't even seem to be ed for (yet?), and I think that the center of objects is what matters more because it's approximately what players are aiming for.Kert wrote: 6o3b5i
Distance between objects is slightly bigger with HR and slightly smaller with EZ than nomod. This affects the speed you are talking about too
currently yes. Tapping stamina is affected by how fast you need to tap. Since you neee to tap fast for streams, streams affect tapping staminaKhelly wrote: 2m5eq
Is tapping stamina also stream stamina?
So here's a question I have because I didn't really participate in any discussion ever: Is the tapping (or tenacity, whatever) stat affected in long stream maps by how difficult those maps are agility wise? A few days ago I was playing four dimensions and I just wanted to if my failing stamina at the end was affected by aim which I guessed it was.
I played warpledge onslaught immediately after and got my x1000 combo. That map has little stream aim. Then I played https://osu-ppy-sh.jeuxcrack.net/b/267052 and didn't break on any of the longer streams even though it's the same bpm as Four dimensions. Then I immediately played Four dimensions autopilot and again, didn't break on the streams that I was losing stamina on when playing it properly. If anything, my stamina should be worse on each successive map since I didn't rest.
That was my unscientific experiment.
I played warpledge onslaught immediately after and got my x1000 combo. That map has little stream aim. Then I played https://osu-ppy-sh.jeuxcrack.net/b/267052 and didn't break on any of the longer streams even though it's the same bpm as Four dimensions. Then I immediately played Four dimensions autopilot and again, didn't break on the streams that I was losing stamina on when playing it properly. If anything, my stamina should be worse on each successive map since I didn't rest.
That was my unscientific experiment.
I talked about this with B1rd, which made realize an unforseen side effect from seperating the skills.
abraker wrote: 6cx2d
Separating the skills completely independent of each other may cause some other factors to occur. Players seem to be able to aim with the Relax mod and tap with auto pilot much better than nomod. The player focuses less on a general task the more independent tasks there are. I will have to look into how multitasking affects performance and see what the distribution of focus is between tapping and targeting given the map's requirements and player skill. That then should be weighted in to the skills to counterbalance the issue you are mentioning.