Project Restarted (!!). TODO: Redo description and add songs on a weekly basis
April 6 2014: I cannot update this week. I'll be going on vacation for a couple of days orz (plus I feel lazy. Been mapping another map @@)

The aim of this thread is to help and guide mania players in improving their skills. A lot of people are asking what songs they should play first, and/or what song is good enough for them to improve their skills, so I decided to make a list of mania songs and organized them in a way I see fit.

(For a discussion on how to improve/play osu!mania, please see this thread by Drace: t/146615)

I divided the difficulties into 4 categories. Beginner, Novice, Advance, and Expert.

For the difficulties, I have spread the difficulties into 10 levels each. For now, I (along with Louis) have created a list of Beginner difficulty that only contains ranked maps and some acceptable maps.

Do take note that the list will only contain maps I feel good enough to be played by people, and that will include unranked maps as well, as long as it is of good quality.

More songs will be added in the list as time es by, and you can suggest songs to be added in this thread. If you also feel that the some songs are placed wrong, please do point it out, along with the reason, so we can fix it.

NOTE: No more choosing maps to be added on the list or something like that. I will be adding everything on a weekly basis. I'll just tag new maps, and maps that I like or something. Maps that I recommend to be played.

BEGINNER

NOVICE

Advanced

EXPERT New!


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Changelog:

1. The most important thing for this thread is PLAYER . So far, Entozer and I have reviewed each map to see if they are good enough for playing, and discussed to decide the "level" of the map. As hard as we try to accurately measure the difficulties, they'll always be subjective and prone to error. By having the community comment on errors, we can make this list as accurate as possible.
2. As our mappool grows, it becomes harder to keep track of each and every map. If you notice any errors such as incorrect spelling or broken links, please tell us, and we'll try our best to fix them. If any of these maps are deleted, we'll try our best to the mapper, and obtain their permission to re- to Dropbox.
3. If you see your map listed here, and you plan to make major changes to it (including deleting), please let us know if possible. It's not necessary, but it definitely saves a lot of time and effort.
4. We appreciate map suggestions!
   

Very interesting ^^

Something like this is very helpful to orientate players when the difficulty criteria are all over the place. It could easily push them to set up goals and ultimately increase their improvement rate.

Great idea

Thank you very much for this thread. Have been searching for something like this.

Can I put a link of this thread in my page? This is a great help to people who want to try some mania

chonicle wrote: 4k554i

Can I put a link of this thread in my page? This is a great help to people who want to try some mania

Of course! Please do. It'll be great if we can get more people to notice this

Stumbled onto this thread today and I have to say, that it has been a great help already. Thank you!

This is exactly what I needed. The rating system for Osu!mania is all over the place, I can SS 5* maps but only B 2* maps. I'm looking forward to the release of the novice collection, thanks for the thread.

chonicle wrote: 4k554i

Can I put a link of this thread in my page? This is a great help to people who want to try some mania

Yes. Like Louis said, please do!

I have updated the list; adding an incomplete novice section and included the newly ranked mania song in the list.

The novice list was quite hard to put together, so there might be some errors in it. The songs might be misplaced as "harder" or "easier" than other songs. If anyone has found some inconsistencies or anything alike, please post in this thread \o/

Drace, Taadashi, vahetpole, and milky228. Thanks for the ! We appreciate it no matter how small it is.

I have myself made a difficulty level list upon someone's request. Maybe it would be a great help here.

If you think that this would help, I would it somewhere

I've got a question about the list or well, 2 questions actually:

1. When would be a good time to move on from one song to the next one? Once you get FC or something like that?

2. Have you listed the songs difficulty-wise in the sub-categories. For example in Novice 10, are the songs difficulty sorted from easiest at the top to hardest at the bottom?

Thanks.

You don't have to practice to some certain skill level to move on. The idea for this is to give you an idea of how hard these maps are in a detailed scale. Personally, I try to find the maps that I can barely , or even maps that I fail, and practice on that stuff, rather than stuff I can A, or S, or FC.

Bobbias wrote: 7q4g

You don't have to practice to some certain skill level to move on. The idea for this is to give you an idea of how hard these maps are in a detailed scale. Personally, I try to find the maps that I can barely , or even maps that I fail, and practice on that stuff, rather than stuff I can A, or S, or FC.

And how does that work for you? Just a question of interest.

Well I just broke a skill barrier, thanks to this playthrough of an o2jam chart I converted. It seems to be the fastest way I've found to learn things. But it also means your accuracy suffers on easier stuff. In my experience anyway.

Bobbias wrote: 7q4g

Well I just broke a skill barrier, thanks to this playthrough of an o2jam chart I converted. It seems to be the fastest way I've found to learn things. But it also means your accuracy suffers on easier stuff. In my experience anyway.

Ah I actually went and watched that on your youtube channel right before you posted, haha. Great play, bro!

And also thanks for your answer, think I'm going to try that method out a little on 86 degrees (hard), which I currently only C (in rare occassions B).

Taadashi wrote: 311l4s

I've gotten a question about the list or well, 2 questions actually:

1. When would be a good time to move on from one song to the next one? Once you get FC or something like that?

2. Have you listed the songs difficulty-wise in the sub-categories. For example in Novice 10, are the songs difficulty sorted from easiest at the top to hardest at the bottom?

Thanks.

1) Just as Bobbias said, the list is just to give people an idea on how hard the maps are, so you don't have to drill/train in the maps before you move on.

It would be a good time to move on the next level if you can "" the map in your own standards. Personally I only consider my plays a once I can have less than 10% (miss + 50s), since the HP drain varies from one map to another. A rough indicator of a would be a B or above score in the maps.

2) The songs are not listed in any difficulty order in the sub-categories. Though they might vary in patterns and density, they are considered as a part of that sub-category since the specific skill needed to play those song is of "Novice 10" difficulty.

If a person is good in streams and stairs, they might think a Hold-oriented NOV10 map is hard, but the same goes the other way. The list can hopefully balance the skills of the player (But right now, there are so few ranked maps that the distribution isn't even good x_x)

In higher categories, this difference in patterns of the song will become more noticeable.

If you feel there are songs listed wrong in the sub-categories, please point it out, even if it's just a hunch.

xxbidiao wrote: 4c2y6j

I have myself made a difficulty level list upon someone's request. Maybe it would be a great help here.

If you think that this would help, I would it somewhere

Yes please! This would help a lot in adding more songs in the list.

Edit: Updated the novice list.

Do you really want to maintain such a huge list?
This will be a lot of work. Where is Ende?

Loctav wrote: 3n5266

Do you really want to maintain such a huge list?
This will be a lot of work. Where is Ende?

Let's see how big of a list we can make first. These are just suggestions, and we're not aiming to put every map that ever existed here. (now THAT would be a lot of work)
In order to minimize maintenance necessity, we're mainly aiming for listing ranked maps, as well as relying on the community to find errors here and there.
It shouldn't be much effort to re- a map with permission, or fix level ratings of a certain map, even if both Entozer and I become inactive s.

And by the time that happens, this thread will be long outdated, and hopefully, someone else will be willing to maintain it in our place.

Omg first map suggestion. We'll check Ende soon.

Yeah, I see this being incredibly helpful for now, but dropping off in usefulness as mania matures. But for the time being, this should be a great pace to send newcomers to find stuff.

This is very helful! I was loking for something like tbt and this is just perfect, currently Novice ;w;

This is pretty awesome! Thank you for taking time to create/work on a list like this! I am sure new players like me will appreciate it!(Because i do )

Entozer wrote: 486d5j

Taadashi wrote: 311l4s

I've gotten a question about the list or well, 2 questions actually:

1. When would be a good time to move on from one song to the next one? Once you get FC or something like that?

2. Have you listed the songs difficulty-wise in the sub-categories. For example in Novice 10, are the songs difficulty sorted from easiest at the top to hardest at the bottom?

Thanks.

1) Just as Bobbias said, the list is just to give people an idea on how hard the maps are, so you don't have to drill/train in the maps before you move on.

It would be a good time to move on the next level if you can "" the map in your own standards. Personally I only consider my plays a once I can have less than 10% (miss + 50s), since the HP drain varies from one map to another. A rough indicator of a would be a B or above score in the maps.

2) The songs are not listed in any difficulty order in the sub-categories. Though they might vary in patterns and density, they are considered as a part of that sub-category since the specific skill needed to play those song is of "Novice 10" difficulty.

If a person is good in streams and stairs, they might think a Hold-oriented NOV10 map is hard, but the same goes the other way. The list can hopefully balance the skills of the player (But right now, there are so few ranked maps that the distribution isn't even good x_x)

In higher categories, this difference in patterns of the song will become more noticeable.

If you feel there are songs listed wrong in the sub-categories, please point it out, even if it's just a hunch.

xxbidiao wrote: 4c2y6j

I have myself made a difficulty level list upon someone's request. Maybe it would be a great help here.

If you think that this would help, I would it somewhere

Yes please! This would help a lot in adding more songs in the list.

Edit: Updated the novice list.

Thank you very much for taking the time to answer my questions Entozer. Much appreciated and pretty much answered what I wanted to know.

Keep up the good work!

Awaiting the Advanced level aaaaaaah

My level is between Novice 9 and 10 so I'm quite happy as it is right now. But I'm also looking forward to see what you guys will put in the advanced level range.

will i pro with this

Any idea when the Advanced list will be up?

Hopefully by sometime next week. Entozer seems to be busy this week and I barely have access to a PC lately
On second thought, it might take a bit longer, since we have to add more maps to Novice and make some difficulty re-adjustments first. (Did we make Novice 10 too easy/hard? How difficult should Advanced 10 be? How can we ensure that the maps in Advanced branch out to cover different patterns? etc.)

We'll try our best to make the Advanced list ASAP. Sorry for the delay.
, we accept map suggestions!

Louis wrote: 6t3e1m

Hopefully by sometime next week. Entozer seems to be busy this week and I barely have access to a PC lately
On second thought, it might take a bit longer, since we have to add more maps to Novice and make some difficulty re-adjustments first. (Did we make Novice 10 too easy/hard? How difficult should Advanced 10 be? How can we ensure that the maps in Advanced branch out to cover different patterns? etc.)

We'll try our best to make the Advanced list ASAP. Sorry for the delay.
, we accept map suggestions!

Thought I'd add some of my experience with this list, perhaps it'll be of any help to you, perhaps not.

First off, to me smooooch (7k HD) was a lot harder to handle than Far East Nightbird (lvl 13). I don't know if this has to do with me personally having an easier time reading the patterns in Nightbird generally or if smooooch really is harder.

And I'd also like to point out that G59 (lvl 18) feels a lot harder than the other songs in the same tier.

Just some thoughts I had guys, keep up the good work.

Well the jump from NOV 9 to 10 looks more like NOV9->ADV2 to me. Those songs play alot more difficulty than the previous level
Especially between the levels 15-20 and after a little over 20 there is a noticeable difficulty increasement since the parts just bump up to get a bit tougher, i wouldnt call this novice anymore

Hanyuu wrote: l713n

Well the jump from NOV 9 to 10 looks more like NOV9->ADV2 to me. Those songs play alot more difficulty than the previous level
Especially between the levels 15-20 and after a little over 20 there is a noticeable difficulty increasement since the parts just bump up to get a bit tougher, i wouldnt call this novice anymore

Ah yeah, meant to include this as well. Glad you pointed it out Hanyuu.

nice~~._.

You guys are awesome!

I've got one question though if you don't mind: is keeping the speed of the beatmap as it is (default) considered to be the best practice, or is it OK to slow it down or speed it up?

Thanks

Timmehj wrote: 71k4w

You guys are awesome!

I've got one question though if you don't mind: is keeping the speed of the beatmap as it is (default) considered to be the best practice, or is it OK to slow it down or speed it up?

Thanks

I'd say it's encouraged to find the speed that's most comfortable for you. I change my speed based on the BPM of the song. For example, I read 200-215 BPM or so at speed 13, and 150-160 BPM at 18. I worked my way up to this speed by starting out slower and increasing the speed occasionally.

On another topic somebody said that osu!standard conversions where not really good compared to osu!mania mapped maps, that where not as fun.

After coming to this topic, now I can see why.

I mostly came here because, for the most part, I only had conversions, as there are few songs for osu!mania, let alone songs that I like. And it has been a blast since then, even if I don't really like the song, playing mania maps that are also adequated to my skills it's really fun. I specially love Liselotte mania maps. So much fun.

Based on that chart, I would be on between Beginner 9 - Novice 1. Depending on where you make the cut. I can +85% Beginner 10 and +90% on Beginner 9, Novice 1 however I can barely make it above 80% I also seem to fare worse on songs that demand me to press the leftmost key (A on my keyboard) a lot. And I'm lefty!

Deleted all my auto converts \o/, i think im up to novice 10 atm woot~

Regarding personal experience with this list. I have to say that Smoooooooch (NM 7k) is definitely way easier than Giant O.T.N.

Only my Railgun seems fine there, but Smoooooooch is way easier compared to OmR. Giant O.T.N, I think it's on the same level as Only with my Railgun

Thank you for the everyone! I will try to re-sort this list and hopefully add more songs today. I'm becoming a bit busy again lately, so the list might not get updated sometimes. Sorry

Busy these days

I would supply my list with newest ranked maps (Last update was a month ago), then publish it here

Hey don't you think 2006 is in Expert level? XD

This is my revised difficulty list on every ranked osu!mania specific maps.
http://puu.sh/47h0v.xlsx

Some comments on level judging is still Chinese, if you have any question don't hesitate to ask me~

Levels are based on EZ2ON ranks, but are slightly revised to cover O2-style(hold) songs.
1~6: total Beginner (players with less than 50 pc should be able to handle this well)
7~13: Novice (players with up to 1000 pc can handle them)
14~15: Higher Novice
16~18: Advanced
19+: Expert

Wish that would be helpful!

While I do find that list to be pretty consistent with the one on the first post, I would definitely NOT put Only My Railgun 4k HD above 7k NM. While you have to press the keys faster, I find having to deal with 4k way easier than 7k

Based on that list I would be lv 13-14. Wich again, is consistent with the other list where I was ~Beginner 10-Novice 2

Edit: Entozer, you got my post wrong (poor english on my part), I meant to say that Only My Railgun 7k NM and Giant O.T.N. should be Beginner 10 while Smooooooooch should drop to Beginner 9

Zabie wrote: 3o4k6y

Edit: Entozer, you got my post wrong (poor english on my part), I meant to say that Only My Railgun 7k NM and Giant O.T.N. should be Beginner 10 while Smooooooooch should drop to Beginner 9

Oh my. No, your english was perfectly fine xD I was supposed to actually put smooooch to beg9, but I somehow miscopied the text >< Sorry about that. Will fix now.

xxbidiao wrote: 4c2y6j

This is my revised difficulty list on every ranked osu!mania specific maps.
http://puu.sh/47h0v.xlsx

Some comments on level judging is still Chinese, if you have any question don't hesitate to ask me~

Levels are based on EZ2ON ranks, but are slightly revised to cover O2-style(hold) songs.
1~6: total Beginner (players with less than 50 pc should be able to handle this well)
7~13: Novice (players with up to 1000 pc can handle them)
14~15: Higher Novice
16~18: Advanced
19+: Expert

Wish that would be helpful!

Thank you! I will check it as soon as possible

xxbidiao wrote: 4c2y6j

Busy these days

I would supply my list with newest ranked maps (Last update was a month ago), then publish it here

Hey don't you think 2006 is in Expert level? XD

This is my revised difficulty list on every ranked osu!mania specific maps.
http://puu.sh/47h0v.xlsx

Some comments on level judging is still Chinese, if you have any question don't hesitate to ask me~

Levels are based on EZ2ON ranks, but are slightly revised to cover O2-style(hold) songs.
1~6: total Beginner (players with less than 50 pc should be able to handle this well)
7~13: Novice (players with up to 1000 pc can handle them)
14~15: Higher Novice
16~18: Advanced
19+: Expert

Wish that would be helpful!

2006 is noob

runs

Now I made my list a Google online document:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... sp=sharing

I think using this feature may keep this list live and easy to be tracked by everyone

wow i swear i knew dynasty was on the top of the songs. that one is so hard to play

I just started playing and I'm doing the Novice level (3~4). I have to say:

----NOVICE 3----

Catastrophe [Normal] - Entozer //U
agony (TV Size) [Normal] - woc2006
Shinseitaiju [LV.9] - ExPew //U
Rhythmical Planet [Normal] - ljqandylee

agony was by far the easiest map on this level, Catastrophe was way harder. Then again Rhythmical Planet and Shinseitaiju were on a complete different level for me, being maps I could either fail or clear with a maximum rank of B, while agony was an easy A, and Catastrophe was a few retries A.

this is really helpful ! thanks guys !

Thank you for the replies

I will try to re-arrange and update the list again today. Hopefully by today I can complete the advance of currently ranked maps, as well as add more songs to beginner and novice list.

Edit: I might not be able to add the updated list in this thread today, sorry.

KOTOKO - unfinished (TV Size) [7K Burst] ? ADV 4?
Tamura Yukari - Fantastic future (TV Size) [Liese lv.24] ADV 3 ?
https://osu-ppy-sh.jeuxcrack.net/s/87194 [EXHAUST] ADV 6~7?
Tatsh - Xepher [SHD] EX 3? lol
https://osu-ppy-sh.jeuxcrack.net/b/236643 [7K Expert] ADV 4?

Ento can u add my diffs on croix too? https://osu-ppy-sh.jeuxcrack.net/s/88692

xxbidiao wrote: 4c2y6j

Now I made my list a Google online document:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... sp=sharing

I think using this feature may keep this list live and easy to be tracked by everyone

Nice list, pretty handy. Thanks for sharing this.
By the way, Sweet Rain [Insane] should really by ranked harder than Flip Flap or even the Vocaloids' schranz (or whatever it is called :p)

Thanks ! It will help me to improve a lot my gameplay

Secretpipe wrote: 481825

Thanks ! It will help me to improve a lot my gameplay

Seeing this post on the top makes me happy

However I think a lot of work should be done w/ this form...


(I don't have enough time to update my list ._.)

Thanks, this has helped me break s skill barrier which I haven't been able to in the past week. Thing is, I can level 36 G59 half the time, and the other half I can't. And there aren't any songs on the levels under G59! D:

I hope this gets updated more! This has helped me alot! I'm at another skill barrier again, and the songs I play are otherwise too easy or too hard. I can't seem to find songs that are just right for me right now.

Thanks for this!

So any chance of adding a list of songs to expert difficulty? lol

First thing i want to say, thx for the post it gave me a good way to introduce myself to 7K.

Now, for a bit of .
I just started playing 7k after a good amound of time playing 4K, so maybe my 4K affect what map i can or cannot play but, in the beginner section:

- In beginner 3, Flower Flag is too hard (should go in beginner 5 i think)
- In beginner 5, If it takes a lifetime is way too hard, i managed S on the other one but i can barely do B there, should go up maybe to 7
- In beginner 6, Uni is too easy, i would put it in beginner 3

and just to show my point, i'll add some screenshot of my collection so you can compare the rank and % and see how much try i put in some of the song:

Beginner 3: http://osu-ppy-sh.jeuxcrack.net/ss/1025734 and yes it look like i have an A on big money but it's just because it's a higher pointscore than the 2 S i did there
Beginner 5: http://osu-ppy-sh.jeuxcrack.net/ss/1025736 i did try the map multiple time but i always end up quitting before getting my magnificent B ed
Beginner 6: http://osu-ppy-sh.jeuxcrack.net/ss/1025737 The B was done while riding a city bus, i did both A before it

so that's pretty much it, some of the note did change since i took the screenshot but when i did these rank i was pretty much at the same skilllevel.
I'll continue to play and give as i progress, hope it helped.

P.S.: sorry for my english, i'm french at base so i might have done multiple mistake there.

is always welcome Crimat.

When you are giving , please try to tell us why you have trouble with the map. Sometimes a map can be easier than another one, but you end up with a lower score because you aren't used to a pattern it uses. This is also good because it helps you think about your play, and figure out what you have trouble with, and what you are good at. Learning where your skills lie is very important for improving. Once you know what you are weak at, you can concentrate on trying to get better at it.

It's me again,

So to awnser your question Bobbias:

i compared Uni and flower flag to determine that Flower flag should be higher than it is and uni lower, the reason behind that being:

Flower flag has: Stairs and grace notes, 2 thing you dont find in uni, yes it is only pattern that i aren't used to but it still make it harder. I also think that uni is more ''relax'' to play, there is less part where you have a high concentration of note, it's more a constant thing (i'm saying that out of what i , might be mistaken).

For the mario song, the hard part about it is how the bpm change and the presence of SV, as you play the easiest difficulty of the song before you could assume that you get used to it, but i didn't feel like i was able to do it at all.

If i'm still not accurace enough about why i think these song aren't at the good level, feel free to tell me and i'll get a better explanation when i have the time because right now i dont. (i'm typing this while listening to my math teacher soo it's not like i can go and play the 3 song to extract the ''hard part'' from them and expose it here)

P.S. once again, sorry for the bad english
P.P.S o and i was forgetting, i already know my weak point due to my 4k experiance and yes i'm horrible with SV.

Maybe you could also add my Election Angel, Uh! Map to the Beginner list. :p

Yay, finally ed on to the next stage ! Advanced, here I go !
(Cleared ChaiN/DestructioN [Insane] with a S, finally)

Anyways, here are some maps you might want to add to the list :

Tatsh - Xepher [Insane] : This one is subject to frequent updates, but overall it feels like an ADV 4 when considering the patterns and the SV changes together.

I might be wrong about the ADV 3 and 4 maps I suggested as I don't really have the skill to play them correctly yet but I think my guesses are not too far from the truth. Tell me what you think.

PyaKura wrote: 486k50

Yay, finally ed on to the next stage ! Advanced, here I go !
(Cleared ChaiN/DestructioN [Insane] with a S, finally)

Anyways, here are some maps you might want to add to the list :

Tatsh - Xepher [Insane] : This one is subject to frequent updates, but overall it feels like an ADV 4 when considering the patterns and the SV changes together.

I might be wrong about the ADV 3 and 4 maps I suggested as I don't really have the skill to play them correctly yet but I think my guesses are not too far from the truth. Tell me what you think.

Congrats!

Thank you for the suggestion! I added some songs you mentioned without questioning them since I still how it was mapped (But I still have to check them soon.) About moving G59 to Adv 1, I guess I can agree with you. I drafted it in Nov 10 since I did not take into consideration the speed of the map. You can think of it as me saying you have to have that kind of speed already when you are at advanced as a prerequisite, but then again not everyone likes to play fast song. (Some likes high-density ones but slow, some fast but few, some etcetc...) Anyway, I moved it. Let's see how it goes.

I still am not sure about the last 3 songs you mentioned since I haven't checked them, but I added them for now.

About smooooch, The patterns in this map are indeed somehow easy, though I guess we can put them in Adv for that. I'm still thinking whether SV-changes reading skill should be taken into consideration or not.

(Sorry for my half-assed response, but again, thank you. I've been quite busy, and bored of osu lately x_x)

Crimat wrote: 1p4l23

First thing i want to say, thx for the post it gave me a good way to introduce myself to 7K.

Now, for a bit of .
I just started playing 7k after a good amound of time playing 4K, so maybe my 4K affect what map i can or cannot play but, in the beginner section:

- In beginner 3, Flower Flag is too hard (should go in beginner 5 i think)
- In beginner 5, If it takes a lifetime is way too hard, i managed S on the other one but i can barely do B there, should go up maybe to 7
- In beginner 6, Uni is too easy, i would put it in beginner 3

and just to show my point, i'll add some screenshot of my collection so you can compare the rank and % and see how much try i put in some of the song:

Beginner 3: http://osu-ppy-sh.jeuxcrack.net/ss/1025734 and yes it look like i have an A on big money but it's just because it's a higher pointscore than the 2 S i did there
Beginner 5: http://osu-ppy-sh.jeuxcrack.net/ss/1025736 i did try the map multiple time but i always end up quitting before getting my magnificent B ed
Beginner 6: http://osu-ppy-sh.jeuxcrack.net/ss/1025737 The B was done while riding a city bus, i did both A before it

so that's pretty much it, some of the note did change since i took the screenshot but when i did these rank i was pretty much at the same skilllevel.
I'll continue to play and give as i progress, hope it helped.

P.S.: sorry for my english, i'm french at base so i might have done multiple mistake there.

Hello~ Thank you for trying out this list. Some of your suggestions does seem valid, so I might review those songs soon when I have the time.

Roxas wrote: 1k4n69

Ento can u add my diffs on croix too? https://osu-ppy-sh.jeuxcrack.net/s/88692

\o/ Hopefully I can add all the ranked maps by next week since I have nothing to do. So, yes, I can add that xD

Hanyuu wrote: l713n

KOTOKO - unfinished (TV Size) [7K Burst] ? ADV 4?
Tamura Yukari - Fantastic future (TV Size) [Liese lv.24] ADV 3 ?
https://osu-ppy-sh.jeuxcrack.net/s/87194 [EXHAUST] ADV 6~7?
Tatsh - Xepher [SHD] EX 3? lol
https://osu-ppy-sh.jeuxcrack.net/b/236643 [7K Expert] ADV 4?

I'm still not going to put some Expert songs yet until the adv is somehow "finish", but thank you for these. I'll take note of those song you mentioned. I have added those ADV for now, but I still need to review them. Thank you for the suggestions!

Wishy wrote: 414n35

I just started playing and I'm doing the Novice level (3~4). I have to say:

----NOVICE 3----

Catastrophe [Normal] - Entozer //U
agony (TV Size) [Normal] - woc2006
Shinseitaiju [LV.9] - ExPew //U
Rhythmical Planet [Normal] - ljqandylee

agony was by far the easiest map on this level, Catastrophe was way harder. Then again Rhythmical Planet and Shinseitaiju were on a complete different level for me, being maps I could either fail or clear with a maximum rank of B, while agony was an easy A, and Catastrophe was a few retries A.

Hmm, I have to go recheck those maps I guess. Though I agree with Agony being easy (as from what I , it is quite a slow song, but with LN,) but I still need to review them. I might have put it wrongly at Novice 3 since at a higher level, lower bpms tend to be harder to press x_x. But thank you for the .

Thanks for the and suggestions everyone! Hopefully I can review them soon when I have the time.

Hello,

About smooooch, I based my suggestions following what you stated in the OP :

Entozer wrote: 486d5j

Advanced:
This difficulty is for players who have proper exposure to common simple/complex patterns. Players at this level can easily play simple patterns such as the stairs.

In this difficulty, songs starts to have a pattern unique to the song itself, and those patterns cannot be applied to other songs most of the time. Players at this level starts to learn about specialized patterns. At this level, the type of players starts to branch out. Some players will start to play songs that are mostly Hold-oriented, some play songs that have a lot of speed changes, and some likes to play song with high density.

which is why I thought that you would also take SV changes into .

Anyway thanks for updating the list ! I have some new maps to play now.

PyaKura wrote: 486k50

Hello,

About smooooch, I based my suggestions following what you stated in the OP :

Entozer wrote: 486d5j

Advanced:
This difficulty is for players who have proper exposure to common simple/complex patterns. Players at this level can easily play simple patterns such as the stairs.

In this difficulty, songs starts to have a pattern unique to the song itself, and those patterns cannot be applied to other songs most of the time. Players at this level starts to learn about specialized patterns. At this level, the type of players starts to branch out. Some players will start to play songs that are mostly Hold-oriented, some play songs that have a lot of speed changes, and some likes to play song with high density.

which is why I thought that you would also take SV changes into .

Anyway thanks for updating the list ! I have some new maps to play now.

The beat relation to SV changes are almost very easy to read in MX and its a simple 3 note chords. I do agree smoooooch[mx] has the potential to be adv1 but I don't think it properly breaks the adv barrier yet. You have to also consider the beat + note complementation.

Entozer wrote: 486d5j

----ADVANCED 3----

Fantastic Future (TV Size) [7K Liese's LV.24] - Lieselotte GD (?) (victorica_db)

----ADVANCED 4----

unfinished (TV Size) [7k Burst] - ljqandylee //U

I personally think that these two should be swapped or have unfinished moved to adv2. I have a significantly easier time with Unfinished 7k Burst than I do with Liese's LV.24 Fantastic Future. (Also, isn't ljqandylee's unfinished ranked? Unless that link is wrong.) Take this with a grain of salt though, as it might just be me being bad at those certain patterns/holds.

EDIT:
I'll report back once I've tried some of the recent advanced additions.

Zealtron wrote: 6hq1w

Entozer wrote: 486d5j

----ADVANCED 3----

Fantastic Future (TV Size) [7K Liese's LV.24] - Lieselotte GD (?) (victorica_db)

----ADVANCED 4----

unfinished (TV Size) [7k Burst] - ljqandylee //U

I personally think that these two should be swapped or have unfinished moved to adv2. I have a significantly easier time with Unfinished 7k Burst than I do with Liese's LV.24 Fantastic Future. (Also, isn't ljqandylee's unfinished ranked? Unless that link is wrong.) Take this with a grain of salt though, as it might just be me being bad at those certain patterns/holds.

EDIT:
I'll report back once I've tried some of the recent advanced additions.

That's interesting, I'm the opposite. I find unfinished much harder than Fantastic Future, haha. Sometimes I fail unfinished but I can get through Fantastic Future with no problems.

Just wanted to say this is the first time I am posting here, thanks a lot to all the contributors of this thread =D

Anopob wrote: 1g1y54

That's interesting, I'm the opposite. I find unfinished much harder than Fantastic Future, haha. Sometimes I fail unfinished but I can get through Fantastic Future with no problems.

Just wanted to say this is the first time I am posting here, thanks a lot to all the contributors of this thread =D

Oh, is that so? Guess I'm just bad at holds, haha.

Anyway,

----ADVANCED 4----

Workaholic [Extra] - Agka //U
unfinished (TV Size) [7k Burst] - ljqandylee //U

But I still feel that unfinished needs to move down to adv3. I haven't played God Knows, but I can easily A unfinished while I have a hard time ing Workaholic [Extra] (Heck, I have an easier time ing Game Brain[Lunatic] than this). Probably because of the sustained patterns instead of the more burst-like patterns of unfinished.

I'll throw a map here too.
Yakimochi no Kotae [R u m i's 7k Insane] adv2/3? The patterns aren't too difficult aside from a couple bursts and runningmen. Filled with holds and trills.

This is the greatest thing ever. I felt like I could never find songs that were at the level of play I needed to progress. Thanks a lot

Map Suggestions: https://osu-ppy-sh.jeuxcrack.net/s/113909 (4k-6k)

Really loving the list, but I honestly think 7k Wintersun should be move from Advanced 6 to Advanced 8 or 9. The holds really test your finger independence, and speaking from my personal experience, I can finish G59 level 36 90% of the time and Nou Shou Sakuretsu Girl (Hard) 80% of the time, whereas for Wintersun... I'm nowhere near finishing that. Also, Wintersun really punishes you for missing (HP is 9) which is why I think it should be moved higher.

The songs are really great though Really loving the list. I hope the Expert list will be up soon!

I am starting the school of Entozer today! I am ready to learn Professor E!!

Hi. Suggesting own map-
t/170282
Probably Adv. 10.

http://osu-ppy-sh.jeuxcrack.net/ss/1235156
I finally finished the last adv.10 song in the list. Lets hope expert comes out soon!

gratz But do you even wintersun? :p

shinning collection > wintersun

I guess that depends on how good you are with holds.

Shining Collection is fairly difficult the whole way through, where Wintersun's difficulty tends to come in bursts (some sections are relatively easy, whereas others are just plain evil).

Both of them are pretty damn hard but I would say execution wise Shining Collection is definitely harder. Wintersun only kills me because I can't read the slowdown , but Shining Collection kills me because of the speed/density (but I'm getting closer and closer to ing).

Xcrypt wrote: 5f4c5r

gratz But do you even wintersun? :p

Haha thanks, and yes can 7k winter with 750k score, i just survive the crazy ln part, still can't hit the release of the ln's yet :p

you're sorted by difficulty is mostly focused on 'o2jam style' maps.

i saw many players such as can fc Gigantic O.T.N Entozer's Another before last LN pattern but die, has epic hand speed but can't LN players.

LN is pretty fun but isn't fun to all players.

_S u w a k o_ wrote: 3s3217

you're sorted by difficulty is mostly focused on 'o2jam style' maps.

i saw many players such as can fc Gigantic O.T.N Entozer's Another before last LN pattern but die, has epic hand speed but can't LN players.

LN is pretty fun but isn't fun to all players.

I love LN so much <3

Sadly I don't like them LN because I can't play them at all.

I'm updating my own list on my profile on a duo-weekly basis. This is only for ranked maps. Maybe some people can find it useful.
To keep it simple the list only has [Easy][Normal][Hard][Insane][Extra] sorting by my own leveling standards. Note that the level of the maps in [Easy] are around the level of this 7K MX (and [Extra] is pretty much just imperishable night 2006 unless something crazy gets ranked in the future)

Watch out we've got an Entozer fan over there

Aqo wrote: 382f42

I'm updating my own list on my profile on a duo-weekly basis. This is only for ranked maps. Maybe some people can find it useful.
To keep it simple the list only has [Easy][Normal][Hard][Insane][Extra] sorting by my own leveling standards. Note that the level of the maps in [Easy] are around the level of this 7K MX (and [Extra] is pretty much just imperishable night 2006 unless something crazy gets ranked in the future)

I think your scale is for more advanced players if an MX is for easy level, haha.

For players who played more than a month or two I guess?

You can rest assured than the [Easy] ones are much easier than BMS level 0. :v

Aqo wrote: 382f42

For players who played more than a month or two I guess?

You can rest assured than the [Easy] ones are much easier than BMS level 0. :v

Haha, only BMS song I've been able to , with a B, is Gelnika's Wall, lol.

Dunno how hard BMS lvl 0 is though, lol. But I do know how hard that MX song is (Which is easy for a MX)

andromeda2020 wrote: 14e36

_S u w a k o_ wrote: 3s3217

you're sorted by difficulty is mostly focused on 'o2jam style' maps.

i saw many players such as can fc Gigantic O.T.N Entozer's Another before last LN pattern but die, has epic hand speed but can't LN players.

LN is pretty fun but isn't fun to all players.

I love LN so much <3

well, i like LN too. but my point is for all players.

do you think all rhythm game players were ed o2jam at least once? i never think. and these o!m ranked map LN style is favorable to o2jam free server / o2solo players.

I don't know if all rhythm game players encountered O2jam but I do know that some mania players played O2jam before.
edit: maybe yes not all of them encountered it lol

andromeda2020 wrote: 14e36

I don't know if all rhythm game players encountered O2jam but I do know that some mania players played O2jam before.
edit: maybe yes not all of them encountered it lol

I can say only that LN has huge gap about skill level with other players. If havent experience about playing o2jam.

I still think Lv.30 around map can players are still ET. They are has talent.

But most of all players can't it. Just nowaday's o2jam players are survive players. At result, They are almost pro.

So many people can think Lv.30 is not hard, but this is really no idea somehow for me.

What you're saying can work the other way around, I find level 50-60 full LN maps much easier than ~lv10 insane dan from the bms scale. It depends on what you spent your time training. Taking that into , I find the list does a good job finding a middle ground between the two fields.

Drace wrote: 3b4w52

What you're saying can work the other way around, I find level 50-60 full LN maps much easier than ~lv10 insane dan from the bms scale. It depends on what you spent your time training. Taking that into , I find the list does a good job finding a middle ground between the two fields.

I know. just i want to say not all players are accept LN style. Its my experience from rhythm game playing.

In my opnion is this list is still okay for me oO and i didnt say such as 'revise this list'

Slowly working my way up(down?) the list. I'd like to note that for me Workaholic [Insane] feels much harder than any of the Advanced 3 songs.

Thank you very much for doing this, I really appreciate it.

Working through Sweet Rain right now, it's a lot of fun!

Can you make Osu!mania maps, for LN only ? the List I mean ~

If it's not too much to ask for, could you put all of the maps in a respective Zip folder map pack?

Going through and ing them all would be a pain now. ;n;

This helps alot for a new player like me. im not new to the genre but moving from arcade cabs to mouse and keyboard has been difficult. ill try them out to see if it helps.

Sorry to bump this. Just wondering if this is still a WIP or if it has been abandoned.

I still have plans to do this, but I still have no motivation to continue... (So I guess this is still WIP? @_@)

Some of it is putting an "Achievement" List (like the verification program threads in 5k and 4k), and even listing the high score for each unranked song. I'm also thinking if I should make a "Long Note Only" list just like what ArcherLove suggested.

After I finish some of my maps to be put in the higher tier, I would probably continue this.

Sorry for the long delay and whatsoever. orz. (And sorry for the expectations ??) OTL

Entozer wrote: 486d5j

I still have plans to do this, but I still have no motivation to continue... (So I guess this is still WIP? @_@)

Some of it is putting an "Achievement" List (like the verification program threads in 5k and 4k), and even listing the high score for each unranked song. I'm also thinking if I should make a "Long Note Only" list just like what ArcherLove suggested.

After I finish some of my maps to be put in the higher tier, I would probably continue this.

Sorry for the long delay and whatsoever. orz. (And sorry for the expectations ??) OTL

Ah, nono. No problem mate. Didn't mean to pressure you or something (sry if I did ;_;). Was just wondering since it's been silent for a while.

Update: I'm now planning to add all ed (worthy of being played and complete) maps here on a weekly basis. I have added some maps on the list. It's quite few right now, but it will accumulate (hopefully) and soon all maps (again, hopefully) would be here. I might stop once I reach a lot of songs. How many songs, I have no idea.

I did not try to be more accurate this time. I'm only planning to somehow complete the list so people would know what song to play next. s will be more appreciated than before ^^

For the LN maps, I would make a separate thread for it if I ever do make one.

Just a quick catch : Milky Way [SC] by ExPew definitely not ADV10. ADV6/7 would make more sense.

Edit : not sure about Ascension to Heaven [7K LV.36] by Liese either. I'd put it ADV 9 or 10. I'll play it again later today to see how it turns out compared to G59 and other similar difficulty maps.


Aaaaaaand glad to see this thread being active again, good job \:D/

Edit 2 : 666th post yo

I changed Milky way to ADV7 for now (I still haven't rechecked though). I have no idea what it was doing on ADV10 @@.

Just rechecked Ascension to Heaven LV 36 and the ADV9. I might have to move around some of the ADV 9 to actually fit it somewhere. I was pretty sure I got it right x_x

Hopefully there's no more error @@. And thanks! Will edit later.