Patatitta wrote: 5t25

AI will never cease to amaze me, this looks so good!



also if you use AI for the manga I will quite literally murder you

I won't use it for the manga, I just wanted to test this new update.

Also, why in your screenshot is my image broken? it is not (at least for me)...

Images work for me.

This new model is generally impressive, but alas its anime capabilities are lacking. All images look even more generic and not only in style, in composition as well. Perhaps it's for the best.

Kobold84 wrote: 4c5ma

Images work for me.

This new model is generally impressive, but alas its anime capabilities are lacking. All images look even more generic and not only in style, in composition as well. Perhaps it's for the best.

For me, it's the only model that can generate anime images that don’t feel like fanart. Like, I think the first image looks like fanart, but the second one feels more like actual anime.

Maybe I just don't know many image generators, but I think the only ones capable of something similar are those that need LoRA or something like that, but I've never seen a real example that doesn't feel like fanart, so Idk.

Behrauder wrote: 3k4k5m

Kobold84 wrote: 4c5ma

Images work for me.

This new model is generally impressive, but alas its anime capabilities are lacking. All images look even more generic and not only in style, in composition as well. Perhaps it's for the best.

For me, it's the only model that can generate anime images that don’t feel like fanart. Like, I think the first image looks like fanart, but the second one feels more like actual anime.

Maybe I just don't know many image generators, but I think the only ones capable of something similar are those that need LoRA or something like that, but I've never seen a real example that doesn't feel like fanart, so Idk.

What do you mean by "feel fanart"? All the images in your example (apart from the last one) have pretty much the same composition and style, it's hard to shake off the feeling of deja vu. The manga part is however rather impressive but not in of style and detail, it's good because it's not static — it actually does more than a simple pose, which is one of the things good anime models struggle with.

Kobold84 wrote: 4c5ma

Behrauder wrote: 3k4k5m

Kobold84 wrote: 4c5ma

Images work for me.

This new model is generally impressive, but alas its anime capabilities are lacking. All images look even more generic and not only in style, in composition as well. Perhaps it's for the best.

For me, it's the only model that can generate anime images that don’t feel like fanart. Like, I think the first image looks like fanart, but the second one feels more like actual anime.

Maybe I just don't know many image generators, but I think the only ones capable of something similar are those that need LoRA or something like that, but I've never seen a real example that doesn't feel like fanart, so Idk.

What do you mean by "feel fanart"? All the images in your example (apart from the last one) have pretty much the same composition and style, it's hard to shake off the feeling of deja vu. The manga part is however rather impressive but not in of style and detail, it's good because it's not static — it actually does more than a simple pose, which is one of the things good anime models struggle with.

I don't understand how the second image looks like the first one. The first one has a lot of details that wouldn't be practical to animate, so it's more common in fanarts than in animations. The second one looks more like anime because it's simpler, and... I don't know, it just feels more similar to real anime, I think.

Behrauder wrote: 3k4k5m

Kobold84 wrote: 4c5ma

Behrauder wrote: 3k4k5m

Kobold84 wrote: 4c5ma

Images work for me.

This new model is generally impressive, but alas its anime capabilities are lacking. All images look even more generic and not only in style, in composition as well. Perhaps it's for the best.

For me, it's the only model that can generate anime images that don’t feel like fanart. Like, I think the first image looks like fanart, but the second one feels more like actual anime.

Maybe I just don't know many image generators, but I think the only ones capable of something similar are those that need LoRA or something like that, but I've never seen a real example that doesn't feel like fanart, so Idk.

What do you mean by "feel fanart"? All the images in your example (apart from the last one) have pretty much the same composition and style, it's hard to shake off the feeling of deja vu. The manga part is however rather impressive but not in of style and detail, it's good because it's not static — it actually does more than a simple pose, which is one of the things good anime models struggle with.

I don't understand how the second image looks like the first one. The first one has a lot of details that wouldn't be practical to animate, so it's more common in fanarts than in animations. The second one looks more like anime because it's simpler, and... I don't know, it just feels more similar to real anime, I think.

Cool image (unless you pay attention to the details, since there are many errors...)

This model is the first one that can put anime characters in real life!:

Ah, so you meant as in fanart VS animation, got it. The colors are reminiscent of the anime style, correct, but it's not really drawn that way. It feels like an imitation. One that could be drawn by humans, but still different from a real animated piece. It's hard for me to pinpoint as to why it appears to be that way, but I still see it as a fanart rather than an animation snippet.

Probably mostly coloring and image artifacts. You can probably handhold it to generate something more similar to "anime screenshots" so that it fixes the above.

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Patatitta wrote: 5t25

AI will never cease to amaze me, this looks so good!



also if you use AI for the manga I will quite literally murder you

I think artists need to train AI on their own style to make their production process more efficient. They should also be able to license their style via trained models, but everyone is dead set on the "ai is artistic theft stigma" and unfortunately most artists are not tech savyy enough to know how to accomplish the suggested

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

AI will never cease to amaze me, this looks so good!



also if you use AI for the manga I will quite literally murder you

I think artists need to train AI on their own style to make their production process more efficient. They should also be able to license their style via trained models, but everyone is dead set on the "ai is artistic theft stigma" and unfortunately most artists are not tech savyy enough to know how to accomplish the suggested

that would be ethical but I don't think that would be good, for example, I'm reading a tkmiz manga which has really original and shocking art, I see 20 fishes hidden across one episode and that makes me think about what the fuck was tkmiz trying to do there, if tkmiz trained an AI, yes, it would look like tkmiz (if you exclude the fact it cant innovate and only replicate what they have already done so stuff like the ing would probably look like hi no tori), but if I spot those 20 fishes, and I were to ask that same question I know the answer is probably nothing, that it's meaningless

visual art can be as expressive as written text, the drawings are not something you just have to do out of obligation, is part of the fun of it. Would you buy a book if you knew it was entirerily AI generated?, knowing it's ethical or whatever, I don't think so

also yes, the image was just broken on my end, it didn't load because idk, the rest of images on that same post did load tho.

piaNo

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

AI will never cease to amaze me, this looks so good!



also if you use AI for the manga I will quite literally murder you

I think artists need to train AI on their own style to make their production process more efficient. They should also be able to license their style via trained models, but everyone is dead set on the "ai is artistic theft stigma" and unfortunately most artists are not tech savyy enough to know how to accomplish the suggested

that would be ethical but I don't think that would be good, for example, I'm reading a tkmiz manga which has really original and shocking art, I see 20 fishes hidden across one episode and that makes me think about what the fuck was tkmiz trying to do there, if tkmiz trained an AI, yes, it would look like tkmiz (if you exclude the fact it cant innovate and only replicate what they have already done so stuff like the ing would probably look like hi no tori), but if I spot those 20 fishes, and I were to ask that same question I know the answer is probably nothing, that it's meaningless

visual art can be as expressive as written text, the drawings are not something you just have to do out of obligation, is part of the fun of it. Would you buy a book if you knew it was entirerily AI generated?, knowing it's ethical or whatever, I don't think so

also yes, the image was just broken on my end, it didn't load because idk, the rest of images on that same post did load tho.

If you are hung up on enjoying works with subtle storytelling elements and deep literary devices, then yea, it makes sense for all stages to be human made. That is obviously not what AI developed works are for; not for people who prefer deep human elements.

However, if the story is engaging and the AI art looks developed enough not to have those AIness artifacts, I'd watch it and enjoy it. For example, if someone gets the rights to keep developing the original Teen Titans, continues the banger story, uses AI to cut costs, and the audio & visuals are indistinguishable from the original, then I would be all for it.

There are also many ideas that don't get off the ground due the large costs and time associated with the production. And I am not talking about established studios, but small independent artists that don't have budget or time to develop their ideas. I believe AI can be a game changer for such creators. Granted it has to be done right as to not let any AI jank slip through.

Wimpy Cursed wrote: 3z85k

piaNo

piaYes

you failed on being neither funny

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

AI will never cease to amaze me, this looks so good!



also if you use AI for the manga I will quite literally murder you

I think artists need to train AI on their own style to make their production process more efficient. They should also be able to license their style via trained models, but everyone is dead set on the "ai is artistic theft stigma" and unfortunately most artists are not tech savyy enough to know how to accomplish the suggested

that would be ethical but I don't think that would be good, for example, I'm reading a tkmiz manga which has really original and shocking art, I see 20 fishes hidden across one episode and that makes me think about what the fuck was tkmiz trying to do there, if tkmiz trained an AI, yes, it would look like tkmiz (if you exclude the fact it cant innovate and only replicate what they have already done so stuff like the ing would probably look like hi no tori), but if I spot those 20 fishes, and I were to ask that same question I know the answer is probably nothing, that it's meaningless

visual art can be as expressive as written text, the drawings are not something you just have to do out of obligation, is part of the fun of it. Would you buy a book if you knew it was entirerily AI generated?, knowing it's ethical or whatever, I don't think so

also yes, the image was just broken on my end, it didn't load because idk, the rest of images on that same post did load tho.

If you are hung up on enjoying works with subtle storytelling elements and deep literary devices, then yea, it makes sense for all stages to be human made. That is obviously not what AI developed works are for; not for people who prefer deep human elements.

However, if the story is engaging and the AI art looks developed enough not to have those AIness artifacts, I'd watch it and enjoy it. For example, if someone gets the rights to keep developing the original Teen Titans, continues the banger story, uses AI to cut costs, and the audio & visuals are indistinguishable from the original, then I would be all for it.

There are also many ideas that don't get off the ground due the large costs and time associated with the production. And I am not talking about established studios, but small independent artists that don't have budget or time to develop their ideas. I believe AI can be a game changer for such creators. Granted it has to be done right as to not let any AI jank slip through.

Why do you want a slop creator?, in what world is removing the human element of art something acceptable? I mean if you want to watch to mass produce even more seasons of motherfucking teen titans you do you, but... why?????

about the indie stuff, I heavily disagree, one or two person can do a lot without money if they just find an acceptable scope. I don't really think AI is opening a lot of doors here, there is already, a lot, and I really mean, A LOT of people just ion projects without money and in a few month's time, and once again, I tell you, the visual portion is as importan as the written dialogue, I guess that if you want to make teen titans that is fine but why the fuck would you want to do teen titans

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

AI will never cease to amaze me, this looks so good!



also if you use AI for the manga I will quite literally murder you

I think artists need to train AI on their own style to make their production process more efficient. They should also be able to license their style via trained models, but everyone is dead set on the "ai is artistic theft stigma" and unfortunately most artists are not tech savyy enough to know how to accomplish the suggested

that would be ethical but I don't think that would be good, for example, I'm reading a tkmiz manga which has really original and shocking art, I see 20 fishes hidden across one episode and that makes me think about what the fuck was tkmiz trying to do there, if tkmiz trained an AI, yes, it would look like tkmiz (if you exclude the fact it cant innovate and only replicate what they have already done so stuff like the ing would probably look like hi no tori), but if I spot those 20 fishes, and I were to ask that same question I know the answer is probably nothing, that it's meaningless

visual art can be as expressive as written text, the drawings are not something you just have to do out of obligation, is part of the fun of it. Would you buy a book if you knew it was entirerily AI generated?, knowing it's ethical or whatever, I don't think so

also yes, the image was just broken on my end, it didn't load because idk, the rest of images on that same post did load tho.

If you are hung up on enjoying works with subtle storytelling elements and deep literary devices, then yea, it makes sense for all stages to be human made. That is obviously not what AI developed works are for; not for people who prefer deep human elements.

However, if the story is engaging and the AI art looks developed enough not to have those AIness artifacts, I'd watch it and enjoy it. For example, if someone gets the rights to keep developing the original Teen Titans, continues the banger story, uses AI to cut costs, and the audio & visuals are indistinguishable from the original, then I would be all for it.

There are also many ideas that don't get off the ground due the large costs and time associated with the production. And I am not talking about established studios, but small independent artists that don't have budget or time to develop their ideas. I believe AI can be a game changer for such creators. Granted it has to be done right as to not let any AI jank slip through.

Why do you want a slop creator?, in what world is removing the human element of art something acceptable? I mean if you want to watch to mass produce even more seasons of motherfucking teen titans you do you, but... why?????

about the indie stuff, I heavily disagree, one or two person can do a lot without money if they just find an acceptable scope. I don't really think AI is opening a lot of doors here, there is already, a lot, and I really mean, A LOT of people just ion projects without money and in a few month's time, and once again, I tell you, the visual portion is as importan as the written dialogue, I guess that if you want to make teen titans that is fine but why the fuck would you want to do teen titans

Yeah, imo, AI is something that should only be in stories, not used for stories

Replacing art with AI slop is the worst possible use of AI, even using it for war machines arguably has a production value (if you're a terrible person) but using it to generate text and images has 0 value.

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

AI will never cease to amaze me, this looks so good!



also if you use AI for the manga I will quite literally murder you

I think artists need to train AI on their own style to make their production process more efficient. They should also be able to license their style via trained models, but everyone is dead set on the "ai is artistic theft stigma" and unfortunately most artists are not tech savyy enough to know how to accomplish the suggested

that would be ethical but I don't think that would be good, for example, I'm reading a tkmiz manga which has really original and shocking art, I see 20 fishes hidden across one episode and that makes me think about what the fuck was tkmiz trying to do there, if tkmiz trained an AI, yes, it would look like tkmiz (if you exclude the fact it cant innovate and only replicate what they have already done so stuff like the ing would probably look like hi no tori), but if I spot those 20 fishes, and I were to ask that same question I know the answer is probably nothing, that it's meaningless

visual art can be as expressive as written text, the drawings are not something you just have to do out of obligation, is part of the fun of it. Would you buy a book if you knew it was entirerily AI generated?, knowing it's ethical or whatever, I don't think so

also yes, the image was just broken on my end, it didn't load because idk, the rest of images on that same post did load tho.

If you are hung up on enjoying works with subtle storytelling elements and deep literary devices, then yea, it makes sense for all stages to be human made. That is obviously not what AI developed works are for; not for people who prefer deep human elements.

However, if the story is engaging and the AI art looks developed enough not to have those AIness artifacts, I'd watch it and enjoy it. For example, if someone gets the rights to keep developing the original Teen Titans, continues the banger story, uses AI to cut costs, and the audio & visuals are indistinguishable from the original, then I would be all for it.

There are also many ideas that don't get off the ground due the large costs and time associated with the production. And I am not talking about established studios, but small independent artists that don't have budget or time to develop their ideas. I believe AI can be a game changer for such creators. Granted it has to be done right as to not let any AI jank slip through.

Why do you want a slop creator?, in what world is removing the human element of art something acceptable? I mean if you want to watch to mass produce even more seasons of motherfucking teen titans you do you, but... why?????

about the indie stuff, I heavily disagree, one or two person can do a lot without money if they just find an acceptable scope. I don't really think AI is opening a lot of doors here, there is already, a lot, and I really mean, A LOT of people just ion projects without money and in a few month's time, and once again, I tell you, the visual portion is as importan as the written dialogue, I guess that if you want to make teen titans that is fine but why the fuck would you want to do teen titans

Hey that show was my childhood and it tragically ended on a cliffhanger. By the sound of it, it doesn't seem you are much of a fan of it, but I consider it one of the best animated shows on cartoon network.

I think the current state of AI is enough to trick people into thinking it's good without making sense in specifics. There is that hope that AI will be able to someday mimic the human subtly in art, which you may doubt, but I know will one day be possible to be "good enough". I think your fear of AI content stems from how much slop is currently being produced, and I agree that based on that slop, any story generated by AI would be incoherent and any animation generated by AI will have misplaced details. If you think I am ok with having that in an AI generated series, then you got the wrong idea. I don't believe you can have AI producing all stages of production, and I don't advise, even when AI is "good enough", for it to be producing all stages of production without supervision and additional polishing by actual artists, writers, etc.

Take this hypothetical "good enough" AI. I wouldn't trust it. I would require writers and artists take what it generated as a basis and improve upon it. You cannot assume AI is always correct because fundamentally it can't be always correct. There still will need to be correction for quality control be done. Now if you ask whether it is more cost effective for AI to generate stuff and then have a person fix it or have the person create the work from scratch, I don't really know. I like to believe that with AI 70% of the work would be done and the remaining 30% is fix up, but reality is that fixing mistakes is often more expensive than doing things proper. There does exist some kind of threshold where the AI slop rate decreases enough that it does become more profitable to have AI generate than have people fix the generated content.

Currently as things stand many "techbros" that are even more unreasonably excited about the technology than I am would throw money for such slop. They don't care about subtlety or human details or things to make sense. Just that it looks visualy appealing, and not care much if a character grew an extra finger in one shot. Those also happen to the type of people that don't give a shit about how the AI is trained. That's where the current AI market is at. Going back to my original comment that artists should be training their own art and licensing it, if they really want to make money, they can take advantage of that demand while the craze is still there.

Wimpy Cursed wrote: 3z85k

you failed on being neither funny

task failed succesfully???

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

AI will never cease to amaze me, this looks so good!



also if you use AI for the manga I will quite literally murder you

I think artists need to train AI on their own style to make their production process more efficient. They should also be able to license their style via trained models, but everyone is dead set on the "ai is artistic theft stigma" and unfortunately most artists are not tech savyy enough to know how to accomplish the suggested

that would be ethical but I don't think that would be good, for example, I'm reading a tkmiz manga which has really original and shocking art, I see 20 fishes hidden across one episode and that makes me think about what the fuck was tkmiz trying to do there, if tkmiz trained an AI, yes, it would look like tkmiz (if you exclude the fact it cant innovate and only replicate what they have already done so stuff like the ing would probably look like hi no tori), but if I spot those 20 fishes, and I were to ask that same question I know the answer is probably nothing, that it's meaningless

visual art can be as expressive as written text, the drawings are not something you just have to do out of obligation, is part of the fun of it. Would you buy a book if you knew it was entirerily AI generated?, knowing it's ethical or whatever, I don't think so

also yes, the image was just broken on my end, it didn't load because idk, the rest of images on that same post did load tho.

If you are hung up on enjoying works with subtle storytelling elements and deep literary devices, then yea, it makes sense for all stages to be human made. That is obviously not what AI developed works are for; not for people who prefer deep human elements.

However, if the story is engaging and the AI art looks developed enough not to have those AIness artifacts, I'd watch it and enjoy it. For example, if someone gets the rights to keep developing the original Teen Titans, continues the banger story, uses AI to cut costs, and the audio & visuals are indistinguishable from the original, then I would be all for it.

There are also many ideas that don't get off the ground due the large costs and time associated with the production. And I am not talking about established studios, but small independent artists that don't have budget or time to develop their ideas. I believe AI can be a game changer for such creators. Granted it has to be done right as to not let any AI jank slip through.

Why do you want a slop creator?, in what world is removing the human element of art something acceptable? I mean if you want to watch to mass produce even more seasons of motherfucking teen titans you do you, but... why?????

about the indie stuff, I heavily disagree, one or two person can do a lot without money if they just find an acceptable scope. I don't really think AI is opening a lot of doors here, there is already, a lot, and I really mean, A LOT of people just ion projects without money and in a few month's time, and once again, I tell you, the visual portion is as importan as the written dialogue, I guess that if you want to make teen titans that is fine but why the fuck would you want to do teen titans

Hey that show was my childhood and it tragically ended on a cliffhanger. By the sound of it, it doesn't seem you are much of a fan of it, but I consider it one of the best animated shows on cartoon network.

I think the current state of AI is enough to trick people into thinking it's good without making sense in specifics. There is that hope that AI will be able to someday mimic the human subtly in art, which you may doubt, but I know will one day be possible to be "good enough". I think your fear of AI content stems from how much slop is currently being produced, and I agree that based on that slop, any story generated by AI would be incoherent and any animation generated by AI will have misplaced details. If you think I am ok with having that in an AI generated series, then you got the wrong idea. I don't believe you can have AI producing all stages of production, and I don't advise, even when AI is "good enough", for it to be producing all stages of production without supervision and additional polishing by actual artists, writers, etc.

Take this hypothetical "good enough" AI. I wouldn't trust it. I would require writers and artists take what it generated as a basis and improve upon it. You cannot assume AI is always correct because fundamentally it can't be always correct. There still will need to be correction for quality control be done. Now if you ask whether it is more cost effective for AI to generate stuff and then have a person fix it or have the person create the work from scratch, I don't really know. I like to believe that with AI 70% of the work would be done and the remaining 30% is fix up, but reality is that fixing mistakes is often more expensive than doing things proper. There does exist some kind of threshold where the AI slop rate decreases enough that it does become more profitable to have AI generate than have people fix the generated content.

Currently as things stand many "techbros" that are even more unreasonably excited about the technology than I am would throw money for such slop. They don't care about subtlety or human details or things to make sense. Just that it looks visualy appealing, and not care much if a character grew an extra finger in one shot. Those also happen to the type of people that don't give a shit about how the AI is trained. That's where the current AI market is at. Going back to my original comment that artists should be training their own art and licensing it, if they really want to make money, they can take advantage of that demand while the craze is still there.

I don't think you get the point, again, for shows or manga or whatever who is generally low quality entertainment, sure, still not a fan but those shows were already slop in the first place, but for making art with meaning, no ammount of "tricking the viewer into thinking it's good" suffices, you can generate a infinite ammount of AI novels and you wont once get a new kafka or a new camus, that is because while you can make something that sounds true at first glance, you can't producve something as well thought and as a brilliantly written as that

AI falls apart the moment you think about it, and I don't read manga with my brain empty, I actively try to analyze and find meaning in it, and once again, you can't make AI drawings as well thought as what a really good artist can produce

if the only thing you consume is slop, then AI or not make no difference for you, but for me?, that isn't going to work

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

AI will never cease to amaze me, this looks so good!



also if you use AI for the manga I will quite literally murder you

I think artists need to train AI on their own style to make their production process more efficient. They should also be able to license their style via trained models, but everyone is dead set on the "ai is artistic theft stigma" and unfortunately most artists are not tech savyy enough to know how to accomplish the suggested

that would be ethical but I don't think that would be good, for example, I'm reading a tkmiz manga which has really original and shocking art, I see 20 fishes hidden across one episode and that makes me think about what the fuck was tkmiz trying to do there, if tkmiz trained an AI, yes, it would look like tkmiz (if you exclude the fact it cant innovate and only replicate what they have already done so stuff like the ing would probably look like hi no tori), but if I spot those 20 fishes, and I were to ask that same question I know the answer is probably nothing, that it's meaningless

visual art can be as expressive as written text, the drawings are not something you just have to do out of obligation, is part of the fun of it. Would you buy a book if you knew it was entirerily AI generated?, knowing it's ethical or whatever, I don't think so

also yes, the image was just broken on my end, it didn't load because idk, the rest of images on that same post did load tho.

If you are hung up on enjoying works with subtle storytelling elements and deep literary devices, then yea, it makes sense for all stages to be human made. That is obviously not what AI developed works are for; not for people who prefer deep human elements.

However, if the story is engaging and the AI art looks developed enough not to have those AIness artifacts, I'd watch it and enjoy it. For example, if someone gets the rights to keep developing the original Teen Titans, continues the banger story, uses AI to cut costs, and the audio & visuals are indistinguishable from the original, then I would be all for it.

There are also many ideas that don't get off the ground due the large costs and time associated with the production. And I am not talking about established studios, but small independent artists that don't have budget or time to develop their ideas. I believe AI can be a game changer for such creators. Granted it has to be done right as to not let any AI jank slip through.

Why do you want a slop creator?, in what world is removing the human element of art something acceptable? I mean if you want to watch to mass produce even more seasons of motherfucking teen titans you do you, but... why?????

about the indie stuff, I heavily disagree, one or two person can do a lot without money if they just find an acceptable scope. I don't really think AI is opening a lot of doors here, there is already, a lot, and I really mean, A LOT of people just ion projects without money and in a few month's time, and once again, I tell you, the visual portion is as importan as the written dialogue, I guess that if you want to make teen titans that is fine but why the fuck would you want to do teen titans

Hey that show was my childhood and it tragically ended on a cliffhanger. By the sound of it, it doesn't seem you are much of a fan of it, but I consider it one of the best animated shows on cartoon network.

I think the current state of AI is enough to trick people into thinking it's good without making sense in specifics. There is that hope that AI will be able to someday mimic the human subtly in art, which you may doubt, but I know will one day be possible to be "good enough". I think your fear of AI content stems from how much slop is currently being produced, and I agree that based on that slop, any story generated by AI would be incoherent and any animation generated by AI will have misplaced details. If you think I am ok with having that in an AI generated series, then you got the wrong idea. I don't believe you can have AI producing all stages of production, and I don't advise, even when AI is "good enough", for it to be producing all stages of production without supervision and additional polishing by actual artists, writers, etc.

Take this hypothetical "good enough" AI. I wouldn't trust it. I would require writers and artists take what it generated as a basis and improve upon it. You cannot assume AI is always correct because fundamentally it can't be always correct. There still will need to be correction for quality control be done. Now if you ask whether it is more cost effective for AI to generate stuff and then have a person fix it or have the person create the work from scratch, I don't really know. I like to believe that with AI 70% of the work would be done and the remaining 30% is fix up, but reality is that fixing mistakes is often more expensive than doing things proper. There does exist some kind of threshold where the AI slop rate decreases enough that it does become more profitable to have AI generate than have people fix the generated content.

Currently as things stand many "techbros" that are even more unreasonably excited about the technology than I am would throw money for such slop. They don't care about subtlety or human details or things to make sense. Just that it looks visualy appealing, and not care much if a character grew an extra finger in one shot. Those also happen to the type of people that don't give a shit about how the AI is trained. That's where the current AI market is at. Going back to my original comment that artists should be training their own art and licensing it, if they really want to make money, they can take advantage of that demand while the craze is still there.

I don't think you get the point, again, for shows or manga or whatever who is generally low quality entertainment, sure, still not a fan but those shows were already slop in the first place, but for making art with meaning, no ammount of "tricking the viewer into thinking it's good" suffices, you can generate a infinite ammount of AI novels and you wont once get a new kafka or a new camus, that is because while you can make something that sounds true at first glance, you can't producve something as well thought and as a brilliantly written as that

AI falls apart the moment you think about it, and I don't read manga with my brain empty, I actively try to analyze and find meaning in it, and once again, you can't make AI drawings as well thought as what a really good artist can produce

if the only thing you consume is slop, then AI or not make no difference for you, but for me?, that isn't going to work

I guess something needs to be made by AI that is capable of fooling you into thinking a human made it. This hypothetical point is not close yet, but I expect it to come, and I expect you to be surprised to find out something you would rate S tier is actually made by AI. I guess that's a kind of turring test.

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

AI will never cease to amaze me, this looks so good!



also if you use AI for the manga I will quite literally murder you

I think artists need to train AI on their own style to make their production process more efficient. They should also be able to license their style via trained models, but everyone is dead set on the "ai is artistic theft stigma" and unfortunately most artists are not tech savyy enough to know how to accomplish the suggested

that would be ethical but I don't think that would be good, for example, I'm reading a tkmiz manga which has really original and shocking art, I see 20 fishes hidden across one episode and that makes me think about what the fuck was tkmiz trying to do there, if tkmiz trained an AI, yes, it would look like tkmiz (if you exclude the fact it cant innovate and only replicate what they have already done so stuff like the ing would probably look like hi no tori), but if I spot those 20 fishes, and I were to ask that same question I know the answer is probably nothing, that it's meaningless

visual art can be as expressive as written text, the drawings are not something you just have to do out of obligation, is part of the fun of it. Would you buy a book if you knew it was entirerily AI generated?, knowing it's ethical or whatever, I don't think so

also yes, the image was just broken on my end, it didn't load because idk, the rest of images on that same post did load tho.

If you are hung up on enjoying works with subtle storytelling elements and deep literary devices, then yea, it makes sense for all stages to be human made. That is obviously not what AI developed works are for; not for people who prefer deep human elements.

However, if the story is engaging and the AI art looks developed enough not to have those AIness artifacts, I'd watch it and enjoy it. For example, if someone gets the rights to keep developing the original Teen Titans, continues the banger story, uses AI to cut costs, and the audio & visuals are indistinguishable from the original, then I would be all for it.

There are also many ideas that don't get off the ground due the large costs and time associated with the production. And I am not talking about established studios, but small independent artists that don't have budget or time to develop their ideas. I believe AI can be a game changer for such creators. Granted it has to be done right as to not let any AI jank slip through.

Why do you want a slop creator?, in what world is removing the human element of art something acceptable? I mean if you want to watch to mass produce even more seasons of motherfucking teen titans you do you, but... why?????

about the indie stuff, I heavily disagree, one or two person can do a lot without money if they just find an acceptable scope. I don't really think AI is opening a lot of doors here, there is already, a lot, and I really mean, A LOT of people just ion projects without money and in a few month's time, and once again, I tell you, the visual portion is as importan as the written dialogue, I guess that if you want to make teen titans that is fine but why the fuck would you want to do teen titans

Hey that show was my childhood and it tragically ended on a cliffhanger. By the sound of it, it doesn't seem you are much of a fan of it, but I consider it one of the best animated shows on cartoon network.

I think the current state of AI is enough to trick people into thinking it's good without making sense in specifics. There is that hope that AI will be able to someday mimic the human subtly in art, which you may doubt, but I know will one day be possible to be "good enough". I think your fear of AI content stems from how much slop is currently being produced, and I agree that based on that slop, any story generated by AI would be incoherent and any animation generated by AI will have misplaced details. If you think I am ok with having that in an AI generated series, then you got the wrong idea. I don't believe you can have AI producing all stages of production, and I don't advise, even when AI is "good enough", for it to be producing all stages of production without supervision and additional polishing by actual artists, writers, etc.

Take this hypothetical "good enough" AI. I wouldn't trust it. I would require writers and artists take what it generated as a basis and improve upon it. You cannot assume AI is always correct because fundamentally it can't be always correct. There still will need to be correction for quality control be done. Now if you ask whether it is more cost effective for AI to generate stuff and then have a person fix it or have the person create the work from scratch, I don't really know. I like to believe that with AI 70% of the work would be done and the remaining 30% is fix up, but reality is that fixing mistakes is often more expensive than doing things proper. There does exist some kind of threshold where the AI slop rate decreases enough that it does become more profitable to have AI generate than have people fix the generated content.

Currently as things stand many "techbros" that are even more unreasonably excited about the technology than I am would throw money for such slop. They don't care about subtlety or human details or things to make sense. Just that it looks visualy appealing, and not care much if a character grew an extra finger in one shot. Those also happen to the type of people that don't give a shit about how the AI is trained. That's where the current AI market is at. Going back to my original comment that artists should be training their own art and licensing it, if they really want to make money, they can take advantage of that demand while the craze is still there.

I don't think you get the point, again, for shows or manga or whatever who is generally low quality entertainment, sure, still not a fan but those shows were already slop in the first place, but for making art with meaning, no ammount of "tricking the viewer into thinking it's good" suffices, you can generate a infinite ammount of AI novels and you wont once get a new kafka or a new camus, that is because while you can make something that sounds true at first glance, you can't producve something as well thought and as a brilliantly written as that

AI falls apart the moment you think about it, and I don't read manga with my brain empty, I actively try to analyze and find meaning in it, and once again, you can't make AI drawings as well thought as what a really good artist can produce

if the only thing you consume is slop, then AI or not make no difference for you, but for me?, that isn't going to work

I guess something needs to be made by AI that is capable of fooling you into thinking a human made it. This hypothetical point is not close yet, but I expect it to come, and I expect you to be surprised to find out something you would rate S tier is actually made by AI. I guess that's a kind of turring test.

I don't think that's ever happening

Behrauder wrote: 3k4k5m

Patatitta

Is this ethically ok for me to add to the OT Art Museum?

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Behrauder wrote: 3k4k5m

Patatitta

Is this ethically ok for me to add to the OT Art Museum?

kinda hard to actually tell if it's ai vs a 3d generation
but i'm leaning toward it being ai because does patatitta really look like that? i don't think he looks this round or like a generic yellow smiley

I'm leaning toward it being AI because it's Behrauder
Are you going to put AI Art in the OT Museum?

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Behrauder wrote: 3k4k5m

Patatitta

Is this ethically ok for me to add to the OT Art Museum?

This is AI, so I don't think so...

But it's up to you to decide.

Behrauder wrote: 3k4k5m

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Behrauder wrote: 3k4k5m

Patatitta

Is this ethically ok for me to add to the OT Art Museum?

This is AI, so I don't think so...

But it's up to you to decide.

Please keep the OT!Museum out of the AI slop

Behrauder, it's time to start the AI Museum.

Kobold84 wrote: 4c5ma

Behrauder, it's time to start the AI Museum.

Good idea. I never really cared much about AI images, but things are getting more interesting now.

generative AI is shit and anything that comes out of it is shit too, not surprising actual artists want nothing to do with it

in other more relevant news the nintendo direct just finished some time ago. lots of cool stuff, silksong appearing for like 3 seconds, runedelta, gimmicks i don't care about, fromsoft exclusive (?? fucking why), Mario Car™. no new 3D mario though which is strange

Serraionga wrote: 2r3s1z

generative AI is shit and anything that comes out of it is shit too, not surprising actual artists want nothing to do with it

in other more relevant news the nintendo direct just finished some time ago. lots of cool stuff, silksong appearing for like 3 seconds, runedelta, gimmicks i don't care about, fromsoft exclusive (?? fucking why), Mario Car™. no new 3D mario though which is strange

90 euros for Mario Kart World wtf

Kobold84 wrote: 4c5ma

Behrauder, it's time to start the AI Museum.

Before that, I need to generate a few more images.

Behrauder wrote: 3k4k5m

Kobold84 wrote: 4c5ma

Behrauder, it's time to start the AI Museum.

Before that, I need to generate a few more images.

Ephemeral

Flying dolphin in a maid outfit

Both, but this image has more noticeable flaws.

This is serrai's post but unironically.

Karmine was probably joking (or misunderstood me) and wrote: 5z5952

Behrauder wrote: 3k4k5m

Kobold84 wrote: 4c5ma

Behrauder, it's time to start the AI Museum.

Before that, I need to generate a few more images.

Ephemeral

Flying dolphin in a maid outfit

Both, but this image has more noticeable flaws.

This is serrai's post but unironically.

This one?

Behrauder wrote: 3k4k5m

Karmine was probably joking (or misunderstood me) and wrote: 5z5952

Behrauder wrote: 3k4k5m

Kobold84 wrote: 4c5ma

Behrauder, it's time to start the AI Museum.

Before that, I need to generate a few more images.

Ephemeral

Flying dolphin in a maid outfit

Both, but this image has more noticeable flaws.

This is serrai's post but unironically.

This one?

Yeah.

I managed to a deleted song from Newgrounds, easily done by just researching how songs are stored and looking for the link on the web source on Internet Archive.

what i find cool about ai images is the ability to reimagine things on your head and satisfying your expectations. thats one good way to use ai. the only bad thing is to publish it and claim it was you who made it.

Behrauder wrote: 3k4k5m

Kobold84 wrote: 4c5ma

Behrauder, it's time to start the AI Museum.

Before that, I need to generate a few more images.

Ephemeral

Flying dolphin in a maid outfit

Both, but this image has more noticeable flaws.

There is also this
community/forums/posts/9477476

there is also a thread by me featuring AI gen art of OT historical moments but I cant find it

nissan, honda, mitsubitshi, subaru hits hard

sametdze wrote: 1l1a4s

nissan, honda, mitsubitshi, subaru hits hard

FUJITSU !!!

How the hell does my first published level in GD (Straight Fly) have more s than any of my more serious projects?

BluePyTheDeer_ wrote: 4m3m27

How the hell does my first published level in GD (Straight Fly) have more s than any of my more serious projects?

people search for levels called "straight fly", plus, it's been out the longest. If not any of your levels is rated, dont' expect quality to matter

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

BluePyTheDeer_ wrote: 4m3m27

How the hell does my first published level in GD (Straight Fly) have more s than any of my more serious projects?

people search for levels called "straight fly", plus, it's been out the longest. If not any of your levels is rated, dont' expect quality to matter

Well then


Also that Black Blizzard reference I made in that ONE level? It's replaced in the finished version.


ID (finished): 116883196

community/forums/topics/2064535

can any of you mods also edit the main post of these (and future ones) so the link to their team is broken or some shit. kinda like s. it'd be funnier that way

Serraionga wrote: 2r3s1z

community/forums/topics/2064535

can any of you mods also edit the main post of these (and future ones) so the link to their team is broken or some shit. kinda like s. it'd be funnier that way

hehe

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Serraionga wrote: 2r3s1z

community/forums/topics/2064535

can any of you mods also edit the main post of these (and future ones) so the link to their team is broken or some shit. kinda like s. it'd be funnier that way

hehe

That'll teach them hehe

lmao I should do that next time

bro i swear my er heart was supposed to die a while ago

Corne2Plum3 wrote: 3y1z1p

lmao I should do that next time

DO IT.

correct me if im wrong but im like 76% sure OT had its own minecraft server at one point

sametdze wrote: 1l1a4s

correct me if im wrong but im like 76% sure OT had its own minecraft server at one point

It did

Hi chat what's up chat I'm drinking cawfee again chat

BluePyTheDeer_ wrote: 4m3m27

sametdze wrote: 1l1a4s

correct me if im wrong but im like 76% sure OT had its own minecraft server at one point

It did

twice

Ashton wrote: 561r4z

Hi chat what's up chat I'm drinking cawfee again chat

Stop it, get some help.

BluePyTheDeer_ wrote: 4m3m27

sametdze wrote: 1l1a4s

correct me if im wrong but im like 76% sure OT had its own minecraft server at one point

It did

and it was peak
community/forums/posts/7991618

I hate being the average kid in Geometry Dash asking to play their garbage levels but, play 116883196.

Corne2Plum3 wrote: 3y1z1p

BluePyTheDeer_ wrote: 4m3m27

sametdze wrote: 1l1a4s

correct me if im wrong but im like 76% sure OT had its own minecraft server at one point

It did

twice

would we ever get a 3rd one or nah

sametdze wrote: 1l1a4s

Corne2Plum3 wrote: 3y1z1p

BluePyTheDeer_ wrote: 4m3m27

sametdze wrote: 1l1a4s

correct me if im wrong but im like 76% sure OT had its own minecraft server at one point

It did

twice

would we ever get a 3rd one or nah

Pretty much everyone who cared about it back then is gone.

Karmine wrote: 6c5h1b

sametdze wrote: 1l1a4s

Corne2Plum3 wrote: 3y1z1p

BluePyTheDeer_ wrote: 4m3m27

sametdze wrote: 1l1a4s

correct me if im wrong but im like 76% sure OT had its own minecraft server at one point

It did

twice

would we ever get a 3rd one or nah

Pretty much everyone who cared about it back then is gone.

hard to care about a server

i feel like we should make a brand new minecraft server and then someone can document what happens in the server so that people stay interested for a while

sametdze wrote: 1l1a4s

i feel like we should make a brand new minecraft server and then someone can document what happens in the server so that people stay interested for a while

if we never got interested in it, we never will.

I would definitely run a server if I could run it locally without exposing my ip address. That or have people donate to run it. Most certainly tho there will be initial interest for a month until dragon defeat then flat line The only way to maintain interest would probably to organize events every 2-3 weeks we do collectively, and that's a big if

what about aternos

it also might help if someone records what happens in the game every time people play so that people without minecraft can know what's going on and kind of in on the fun the same way i did when i used to watch minecraft youtubers if that makes sense. basically someone should host an OT minecraft server let's play

chipi bau

real

ri_sq wrote: 70e4u

real

bruh

ri_sq wrote: 70e4u

real

unreal

ri_sq wrote: 70e4u

real

edit: aaaand he's gone. lolll

ChatGPT is so good at GeoGuessr that it can generate an image of any country it wants, and then, in another chat, it will figure out where it is.




In a new chat (with memory between chats disabled):




Sorry if I'm talking too much about AI and this is getting boring, maybe I should focus more on BBCode bugs again, Idk.

I don't think that is really a good test of the geolocating skills of the AI, at the end of the day, if they generated it, they must know how they generated it even if you ask them in a different chat. You asked to draw the philippines, they did draw the philippines asccording to what the AI, in their training data interprets the philippines as looking like. By asking them what that country is, they once again analyze the image, look at their training data and it just so happens that the philippines is a perfect match. If you were to show them a image of an acutal random place, so not generated by them, and asking them to find it, that's the real test, having said that, I think the AI is pretty good at that too, just pointing out that your test is pretty meaningless

edit: i'm actually trying it out, seems to do pretty good whenever there is a building name, but if you're on a road, it shits itself, tho I couldn't try more than two locations since it's asking me to pay a subscription

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

I don't think that is really a good test of the geolocating skills of the AI, at the end of the day, if they generated it, they must know how they generated it even if you ask them in a different chat. You asked to draw the philippines, they did draw the philippines asccording to what the AI, in their training data interprets the philippines as looking like. By asking them what that country is, they once again analyze the image, look at their training data and it just so happens that the philippines is a perfect match. If you were to show them a image of an acutal random place, so not generated by them, and asking them to find it, that's the real test, having said that, I think the AI is pretty good at that too, just pointing out that your test is pretty meaningless

edit: i'm actually trying it out, seems to do pretty good whenever there is a building name, but if you're on a road, it shits itself, tho I couldn't try more than two locations since it's asking me to pay a subscription

I understand that this is not a good way to test it, but I still found it funny to tell it to generate an image, and then it can find out "where it is" itself.

But I already tried this with an image that Scyla posted here (it is broken and needs Wayback Machine to access it), and I'm pretty sure I could find the exact location if I spent about 3 days searching (but I'm not motivated enough to spend more than about 5 hours on it, lol).

sauce

Why is there a camellia manga?

i realized all my unfinished levels on my main GD were deleted while going back and forth between my s (I DID SAVE BTW).

dang it

Karmine wrote: 6c5h1b

Why is there a camellia manga?

There's only this page

Corne2Plum3 wrote: 3y1z1p

Karmine wrote: 6c5h1b

Why is there a camellia manga?

There's only this page

Phew, thought so but didn't want to check.

"Every End was placed at #4, above andromeda and below BOOBAWAMBA, this knocks Zodiac into the extended list and Bloodlust into the legacy list."


o7


The day top demons died for me

I'm working on a REALLY big project this time. In a few months, expect to see the best thread I've ever made!

Sorry Chapter 4 of the OT! Manga, I’ll finish you someday.

Behrauder wrote: 3k4k5m

I'm working on a REALLY big project this time. In a few months, expect to see the best thread I've ever made!

Sorry Chapter 4 of the OT! Manga, I’ll finish you someday.

Your magnum opus? I'll be the judge of that

BluePyTheDeer_ wrote: 4m3m27

"Every End was placed at #4, above andromeda and below BOOBAWAMBA, this knocks Zodiac into the extended list and Bloodlust into the legacy list."


o7


The day top demons died for me

Bloodlust now in legacy list

Corne2Plum3 wrote: 3y1z1p

BluePyTheDeer_ wrote: 4m3m27

"Every End was placed at #4, above andromeda and below BOOBAWAMBA, this knocks Zodiac into the extended list and Bloodlust into the legacy list."


o7


The day top demons died for me

Bloodlust now in legacy list

sunix (the guy who verified Sonic Wave) no longer has records on the list, but like he even cared

someone should make an OT thread tierlist or smth

reffty_gag wrote: o4w2f

someone should make an OT thread tierlist or smth

we actually kind of had something like it in like late 2023 or early 2024? but it wasn't a tierlist but you would vote on a google form about all of the threads made and in the end it went to this like google sheets thingy; green was the best, yellow was mid and red was bad

sametdze wrote: 1l1a4s

reffty_gag wrote: o4w2f

someone should make an OT thread tierlist or smth

we actually kind of had something like it in like late 2023 or early 2024? but it wasn't a tierlist but you would vote on a google form about all of the threads made and in the end it went to this like google sheets thingy; green was the best, yellow was mid and red was bad

yeah that is my "Rate your OT thread" thread, I'm too lazy to search for it rn

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

sametdze wrote: 1l1a4s

reffty_gag wrote: o4w2f

someone should make an OT thread tierlist or smth

we actually kind of had something like it in like late 2023 or early 2024? but it wasn't a tierlist but you would vote on a google form about all of the threads made and in the end it went to this like google sheets thingy; green was the best, yellow was mid and red was bad

yeah that is my "Rate your OT thread" thread, I'm too lazy to search for it rn

community/forums/topics/1853225?n=1

I realized I had another device with my levels there. Though idk how to approach the "extraction" (basically in what pattern do I save in order for the levels to get back in my main save)

This video is now 20 years old

Corne2Plum3 wrote: 3y1z1p

This video is now 20 years old

lol



also, I AM SO BACK TO MANIA

BluePyTheDeer_ wrote: 4m3m27

Corne2Plum3 wrote: 3y1z1p

This video is now 20 years old

lol



also, I AM SO BACK TO MANIA

I'm Sobek.

community/forums/posts/9878680

Based Abarker Edit,

Serraionga wrote: 2r3s1z

community/forums/posts/9878680

Based Abarker Edit,

ads are for the weak

Funni mappien momeant (Not accurate)



Idk why I made this lol

CLICKMACHINE wrote: u126w

Funni mappien momeant (Not accurate)



Idk why I made this lol

CLICKMACHINE wrote: u126w

Funni mappien momeant (Not accurate)



Idk why I made this lol

This is so real I hate the mapping community (as everyone should).

Karmine wrote: 6c5h1b

CLICKMACHINE wrote: u126w

Funni mappien momeant (Not accurate)



Idk why I made this lol

This is so real I hate the mapping community (as everyone should).

Personally i don't really hate it. True, when the group (bn/modder/mapper) won't understand each others ideas eye to eye, it might get a little frustrating but just mapping & getting the to improve feels good.

i kinda miss modding and mapping, but if it's that serious nowadays maybe i don't miss it after all