Catalyzed from the discussion here

A lot of what I’d write in this proposal is summarized nicely by what I wrote in the thread so I’d honestly just browse that but tldr; the RC has a pretty questionable loophole in defining a “source” where any piece of media (in this case a fan series/animation) that has no association with the original song could potentially be put in the source field.

As I said in the thread this sort of thing would be comparable to neko nyan sugar girls being used for the source for this map, as well as really any amv/fan animation etc. being fair tender for the same reason.

Literally just add one word to the current rule and we’re chillin:
If a track… has been featured in multiple pieces of official media, any option can be used as the source.

“Official” being a blanket term for anything directly associated/licensed to use the song in question.

This is in no way meant to be disrespectful to fan animations/similar cases as sources inherently they just seem more appropriate to be included in tags rather than the source field due to the lack of official association.

+1

yea

I don't agree. It seems a bit counter intuitive that, in the process of creating fan made content for a game, we should discount every type of content that doesn't include an explicit economic relationship to the original artist (i.e. "official links")

In the example that drove this suggestion, I thought you were completely wrong as did several others and many good arguments were presented on that map thread.

Agree with Nao here.

Now, besides finding the artist website, to try and get metadata, going to media websites to check if the song is listed in then, we would have to check if they have a license if we want to add anything in source field?

Metadata is already WAY too convoluted and unecessary complex for a game like osu! and you want to add another layer of complexity that would require so much investigative work JUST to add a source field.

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I agree with Nao and Net0

This not only requires a mapper to somehow provide proof that a song is licensed to a specific piece of media, it also completely disallows unlicensed derivative works from being able to be used in the source field. This would for example make it impossible for a Touhou fangame to be listed as a source, even if the specific arrangement were to be unique to that fangame.

As it is a declaration that derivative works aren't justified as a source, it spiritually undermines the very nature of derivative works, as the idea of something needing an "official corporate license from a record label company" is antithetical to the spirit of osu! mapping's derivative nature.

I disagree with this proposal both on a practical, application level (how do you prove a piece of media has a license to begin with?), and on a moral level.

There is already a mechanism against this system being "abused with loopholes" as any mapset requires at least 2 beatmap nominators, who will inevitably have to agree with the mapper's "questionable loophole". This is enough of a mechanism as it is currently to prevent the loophole you're afraid of.

Going to have to agree with the opposition.

The idea makes sense. However it is really, really not practical for our use cases. Believe my views were conveyed by other people on the linked thread, but the Source fields as it stands can be used for any media source or event where the song was used.

Proving whether something is "Official", is a slippery slope I don't think no mapper or BN for that matter should be spending their time on. Additionally, this kind of actively subtracts value to media where a song may've been featured in but that s can easily recognize the connection between the two, no?

The argument of whether something is truly a source just because it's been featured is a different argument altogether. And that gets to be discussed on a case by case basis. This doesn't really help solving that argument. It narrows the amount of potential sources, sure. But at the cost of making it needlessly complicated and devaluing any piece of media not deemed "Official" by our own arbitrary standards.

I don't think it matters that much if it's "official" or not, but if the song was originally made for or released with a game/series/movie/whatever, that source should take precedence over other sources where the song was used later on but isn't directly related.

my opinion is if there's multiple options mapper is free to justify either of them, if there's confusion about which to use they can always just move the unused ones to tags and it's w/e to me

don't think adding the word official does anything besides generating more pointless discussion about 'officiality' here

marking this as invalid for now until further discussion