Review the whole OT!Book community/forums/topics/1718752

Corne2Plum3 wrote: 3y1z1p

Review the whole OT!Book community/forums/topics/1718752

Are you trying to kill this thread?

Corne2Plum3 wrote: 3y1z1p

Review the whole OT!Book community/forums/topics/1718752

I'm already lamenting over my suggestion of a 40 hour visual novel getting placed in a separate queue until a normal queue ends (that gets filled at rate higher that it's being cleared)

KatouMegumi wrote: 4d5u5e

Corne2Plum3 wrote: 3y1z1p

Review the whole OT!Book community/forums/topics/1718752

I'm already lamenting over my suggestion of a 40 hour visual novel getting placed in a separate queue until a normal queue ends (that gets filled at rate higher that it's being cleared)

yeah stuff that long is going to make me not actually take other requests for a long time, so i'm prioritizing other stuff first, as I said earlier, I may still do it eventually, so no harm in suggesting

Karmine wrote: 6c5h1b

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

Finished texhnolyze: I have a lot to say about this anime, and half of it isn't even about the anime

this is a weird AF anime, it's an extremely slow anime, with confusing storytelling and almost no sound, and I mean that there are like moments in the anime that's basically just a black screen with no sound for like 5 seconds.

To be fair, in the second half of the anime, they start adding more dialogue, since they start focusing mroe on the plot but yeah, if you dont enjoy the first chapters you're not enjoying the end even with that slight change on style.

with this type of anime I think everyone has their own interpretation, so i'm going to explain my entire thought process of why I think the way I do about texhnolyze

first of all, we got to see why the decision to barely have any dialogue or even images at point really do for the anime, to be fair, if you wanted to write a story about the afterlife and not really being quite human that sort of stuff you would just write something like haibane renmei, but this is drastically different to that.

Silence is not a good option for telling a plot, since when you're talking about complex concepts, like texhnolyzation or any other very specific and precise details, you must use words, you cant really explain world history properly without really using a single word.

the one thing that's actually better understood without saying a word are personalities, how someone acts. It's better to actually see that person in action than just hearing about it. If you realize that the anime is extremely silent (which you will), you're going to start focusing more on every detail that you have access too, and that includes how a character acts.

this anime is all about that, seeing how people reject and embrace the post-humanistic ideas, how they deal with being able to see a possible future or how they deal confronted with death, if you look at the anime with that lens, and stop really trying to fully understand the plot I think you will see it a lot more clearly

this is reinforced by the fact that it is an anime original, there was no source material for this. When creating an anime original you take full advantage of the medium, a lot of the time betters than a adaptation from a manga, and allowing to determine how long each shot lasts does improve the experience of this anime.

the actual anime is pretty interesting, I think all the characters are very interesting and the locations and plot really reinforce and create situations where they flourish a lot.


----- (starting this part I start derailing to something entirely else so yeah, my actual analysis of the anime itself ends here) ---


However, I suspected one thing. This wasn't about the anime itself, I've already said all that I wanted to say about the anime, but more about the reception and seeing why other people enjoyed or disliked this anime

and that is, because I know how the internet acts, and I know that my opinion on this anime would be in the minority

Currently, on the internet, every disscussion on any film, anime, book, manga, or even colaborative project will end up in the same way. The internet wants to see an explanation for EVERYTHING, the work doesn't even have to be abstract for this to really happen. I saw it happen with lain, and I feared it happening the same with this anime

I feel the biggest current example of this are in fact, the backrooms. One guy did a short horror story, and then people started to go, but wait... where does x come from? where do you from here? eternally, and you now currently have something closer to S than you did to the original work

A similar thing happened with lain, it had a lot of elements that also mainly work to make it a more character focused story, however, look into any disscusion of lain, and everyone is praising how complex the plot is, even if lain really doesn't have that much plot (and honestly isn't really that good IMO)

and you here had a similar recipe, abstract anime that mainly focused on the characters with barely any dialoge. So I looked into it, and I was right.

Most of the negative reviews i've seen on this anime is that the anime was too slow "for no reason at all" and that you could not understand the plot properly, and i've also seen some other analysis trying to completely decypher and explain the plot. To be fair I did find a lot of people talking similar stuff to me. But I realy think that just going with that mentality is going to cause you to enjoy some works a whole lot less, and I think this is one of those examples

so yeah, good anime, but to embrace the abstract and confusing aspects of it rather than trying to overexplaining it to really enjoy it (at least in my personal opinion)


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also updates: i'm halfway through billy bat (really enjoying it)
going to watch utena next

Glad you liked it, it's a hit or miss
I seeing the first episode and the only dialogue comes after like 15 mintues and is a guy on the phone but you only hear what he says, no idea who he's talking to or even what they're talking about

People don't like anime etc. that require them to think, but they still watch stuff like that then complain (average MAL reviewer lol)

Gilgamesh is another anime with a similar weird vibe but not nearly as abstract

do you want me to also watch gilgamesh?

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

Karmine wrote: 6c5h1b

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

Finished texhnolyze: I have a lot to say about this anime, and half of it isn't even about the anime

this is a weird AF anime, it's an extremely slow anime, with confusing storytelling and almost no sound, and I mean that there are like moments in the anime that's basically just a black screen with no sound for like 5 seconds.

To be fair, in the second half of the anime, they start adding more dialogue, since they start focusing mroe on the plot but yeah, if you dont enjoy the first chapters you're not enjoying the end even with that slight change on style.

with this type of anime I think everyone has their own interpretation, so i'm going to explain my entire thought process of why I think the way I do about texhnolyze

first of all, we got to see why the decision to barely have any dialogue or even images at point really do for the anime, to be fair, if you wanted to write a story about the afterlife and not really being quite human that sort of stuff you would just write something like haibane renmei, but this is drastically different to that.

Silence is not a good option for telling a plot, since when you're talking about complex concepts, like texhnolyzation or any other very specific and precise details, you must use words, you cant really explain world history properly without really using a single word.

the one thing that's actually better understood without saying a word are personalities, how someone acts. It's better to actually see that person in action than just hearing about it. If you realize that the anime is extremely silent (which you will), you're going to start focusing more on every detail that you have access too, and that includes how a character acts.

this anime is all about that, seeing how people reject and embrace the post-humanistic ideas, how they deal with being able to see a possible future or how they deal confronted with death, if you look at the anime with that lens, and stop really trying to fully understand the plot I think you will see it a lot more clearly

this is reinforced by the fact that it is an anime original, there was no source material for this. When creating an anime original you take full advantage of the medium, a lot of the time betters than a adaptation from a manga, and allowing to determine how long each shot lasts does improve the experience of this anime.

the actual anime is pretty interesting, I think all the characters are very interesting and the locations and plot really reinforce and create situations where they flourish a lot.


----- (starting this part I start derailing to something entirely else so yeah, my actual analysis of the anime itself ends here) ---


However, I suspected one thing. This wasn't about the anime itself, I've already said all that I wanted to say about the anime, but more about the reception and seeing why other people enjoyed or disliked this anime

and that is, because I know how the internet acts, and I know that my opinion on this anime would be in the minority

Currently, on the internet, every disscussion on any film, anime, book, manga, or even colaborative project will end up in the same way. The internet wants to see an explanation for EVERYTHING, the work doesn't even have to be abstract for this to really happen. I saw it happen with lain, and I feared it happening the same with this anime

I feel the biggest current example of this are in fact, the backrooms. One guy did a short horror story, and then people started to go, but wait... where does x come from? where do you from here? eternally, and you now currently have something closer to S than you did to the original work

A similar thing happened with lain, it had a lot of elements that also mainly work to make it a more character focused story, however, look into any disscusion of lain, and everyone is praising how complex the plot is, even if lain really doesn't have that much plot (and honestly isn't really that good IMO)

and you here had a similar recipe, abstract anime that mainly focused on the characters with barely any dialoge. So I looked into it, and I was right.

Most of the negative reviews i've seen on this anime is that the anime was too slow "for no reason at all" and that you could not understand the plot properly, and i've also seen some other analysis trying to completely decypher and explain the plot. To be fair I did find a lot of people talking similar stuff to me. But I realy think that just going with that mentality is going to cause you to enjoy some works a whole lot less, and I think this is one of those examples

so yeah, good anime, but to embrace the abstract and confusing aspects of it rather than trying to overexplaining it to really enjoy it (at least in my personal opinion)


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also updates: i'm halfway through billy bat (really enjoying it)
going to watch utena next

Glad you liked it, it's a hit or miss
I seeing the first episode and the only dialogue comes after like 15 mintues and is a guy on the phone but you only hear what he says, no idea who he's talking to or even what they're talking about

People don't like anime etc. that require them to think, but they still watch stuff like that then complain (average MAL reviewer lol)

Gilgamesh is another anime with a similar weird vibe but not nearly as abstract

do you want me to also watch gilgamesh?

If you enjoyed texhnolyze you might like it too so yeah if you want

Karmine wrote: 6c5h1b

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

Karmine wrote: 6c5h1b

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

Finished texhnolyze: I have a lot to say about this anime, and half of it isn't even about the anime

this is a weird AF anime, it's an extremely slow anime, with confusing storytelling and almost no sound, and I mean that there are like moments in the anime that's basically just a black screen with no sound for like 5 seconds.

To be fair, in the second half of the anime, they start adding more dialogue, since they start focusing mroe on the plot but yeah, if you dont enjoy the first chapters you're not enjoying the end even with that slight change on style.

with this type of anime I think everyone has their own interpretation, so i'm going to explain my entire thought process of why I think the way I do about texhnolyze

first of all, we got to see why the decision to barely have any dialogue or even images at point really do for the anime, to be fair, if you wanted to write a story about the afterlife and not really being quite human that sort of stuff you would just write something like haibane renmei, but this is drastically different to that.

Silence is not a good option for telling a plot, since when you're talking about complex concepts, like texhnolyzation or any other very specific and precise details, you must use words, you cant really explain world history properly without really using a single word.

the one thing that's actually better understood without saying a word are personalities, how someone acts. It's better to actually see that person in action than just hearing about it. If you realize that the anime is extremely silent (which you will), you're going to start focusing more on every detail that you have access too, and that includes how a character acts.

this anime is all about that, seeing how people reject and embrace the post-humanistic ideas, how they deal with being able to see a possible future or how they deal confronted with death, if you look at the anime with that lens, and stop really trying to fully understand the plot I think you will see it a lot more clearly

this is reinforced by the fact that it is an anime original, there was no source material for this. When creating an anime original you take full advantage of the medium, a lot of the time betters than a adaptation from a manga, and allowing to determine how long each shot lasts does improve the experience of this anime.

the actual anime is pretty interesting, I think all the characters are very interesting and the locations and plot really reinforce and create situations where they flourish a lot.


----- (starting this part I start derailing to something entirely else so yeah, my actual analysis of the anime itself ends here) ---


However, I suspected one thing. This wasn't about the anime itself, I've already said all that I wanted to say about the anime, but more about the reception and seeing why other people enjoyed or disliked this anime

and that is, because I know how the internet acts, and I know that my opinion on this anime would be in the minority

Currently, on the internet, every disscussion on any film, anime, book, manga, or even colaborative project will end up in the same way. The internet wants to see an explanation for EVERYTHING, the work doesn't even have to be abstract for this to really happen. I saw it happen with lain, and I feared it happening the same with this anime

I feel the biggest current example of this are in fact, the backrooms. One guy did a short horror story, and then people started to go, but wait... where does x come from? where do you from here? eternally, and you now currently have something closer to S than you did to the original work

A similar thing happened with lain, it had a lot of elements that also mainly work to make it a more character focused story, however, look into any disscusion of lain, and everyone is praising how complex the plot is, even if lain really doesn't have that much plot (and honestly isn't really that good IMO)

and you here had a similar recipe, abstract anime that mainly focused on the characters with barely any dialoge. So I looked into it, and I was right.

Most of the negative reviews i've seen on this anime is that the anime was too slow "for no reason at all" and that you could not understand the plot properly, and i've also seen some other analysis trying to completely decypher and explain the plot. To be fair I did find a lot of people talking similar stuff to me. But I realy think that just going with that mentality is going to cause you to enjoy some works a whole lot less, and I think this is one of those examples

so yeah, good anime, but to embrace the abstract and confusing aspects of it rather than trying to overexplaining it to really enjoy it (at least in my personal opinion)


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also updates: i'm halfway through billy bat (really enjoying it)
going to watch utena next

Glad you liked it, it's a hit or miss
I seeing the first episode and the only dialogue comes after like 15 mintues and is a guy on the phone but you only hear what he says, no idea who he's talking to or even what they're talking about

People don't like anime etc. that require them to think, but they still watch stuff like that then complain (average MAL reviewer lol)

Gilgamesh is another anime with a similar weird vibe but not nearly as abstract

do you want me to also watch gilgamesh?

If you enjoyed texhnolyze you might like it too so yeah if you want

yeah will note it

another one : What about Made in Abyss?

Nanofranne wrote: kae

another one : What about Made in Abyss?

I'm very biased in favour of made in abyss, since it was the first anime I read that I went "I get it" and decided to watch more anime in my own spare time after that, as that was a friends recommendation. In a way, this is the anime that got me into anime

made in abyss is an incredibly good anime which only problem being the fetishes the author has. The concept of the abyss is brilliant, originally being 6 locations, with a 7th theorized one, with it's own aesthetic, rules, flora and fauna, and other weird stuff

there is also the catch that the lower you delve into the abyss, the harder it is to go back up, going lower than the sixth means instant death. This translates into the first few layers being fairly well studied but then being more and more mistery the lower you go.

The anime does start seeming like it's a SoL adventure thing, only going down to the abyss after a fairly long overground segment, which seems to set the tone of the anime, however, while the first layers are fairly cool, the lower they go, the more fucked up the anime gets

so, the abyss structure is giving us a clear picture of what the author wants us to think of made in abyss when you start watching it, but purposely goes scaling up the things slowly, giving space for character developement in the way of the relationship between them and also their survival skills in the abyss. This also sets up a lot of mistery that will be relevant until the end of the anime since chapter 1

the abyss itself is also something that works best in this medium, as if this was just a regular film, doing these sorts of complex environment would be EXTREMELY difficult if not. The artistic decision is also great, using great colors all around, and the decision of having less light in the bottoms of the abyss leads to the lower environment seeming more hostile, fitting the theme of the anime

I feel made in abyss is one of the animes with the best world-building really. Nothing about the world seems cheap or just like a plot device, everything from the zones, the specific creatures, the relics, has multiple purpouses each for the plot, and their simple existance just teases up things from very very early on

for the actual characters, I have less to say, they're just very well written characters all-around, they allow for the story to be funny, to be sad, to have moments of fear, etc, and while I cant really say anything excepcional about them, I cant really ask for a more fitting character

(next sections are just full spoilers)

now, the flow of the anime itself is just wonderful, first, they show all the characters and make you have an emotional connection to them, they show nanachi at the same time as mitty, giving nanachi a lot of character developement really quickly, and allowing it to be a favourite character of many from the first arc with them, even if they had a lot of less screentime all around

not only that, but with mitty you're setting up bondrewd, what regs beam is capable of, and the concept of the soul. With bondrewd they expand on the soul and really make you care about it with prushka, and also sets up a lot of thing about white whistles

with the concept of value of the 6th layer you're using it all, mitty even makes an appearance back again to really showcase all of this, and I just love the concept of value. It allows to show the inner thinking of each character in such a detailed way. Each plot point in made in abyss is: setting up stuff for the future, using set up from a while ago, being emotionally impactful, and leading to more character developement in a way that feels natural, it's just nearly flawless

really, the only problem is that they show a lot of child characters in some weird scenes and poses, which can be pretty uncomfortable at times


the OST is also superb, as it s the atmosphere it's trying to achieve, and the songs itself are also beautiful

so yeah, made in abyss has an amazing plot, amazing characters, amazing world-building and music that takes advantage of the medium, it has it all.


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i've also finished reading billy bat, and i've got to say, i'm analyzing two masterpieces in this one post, as billy bat was an unexpected 10/10 from me

I really like naoki urasawa, I hav read monster, pluto, and 20th/21st century boys, being this later one of my favourite mangas of all time, so yeah, I went into this with high expectations, and holy fuck it did deliver

Billy bat feels in a lot of way very similar to 20th century boys and for good reason, it shares the setting, some of the locations, the symbolism that was used to push the story forward, the story structure with all of the constant time skips and flash backs, and it takes all of these elements for making a story that feels entirely different

billy bat, just like 20th century boys is a VERY dense manga, there isn't a single filler line of dialogue in the entire manga, and near the end, I feel you run out of breath as it ramps up to have plot twist after plot twist after plot twist

the plot follows this american comic writter, who works in "marble" comics, (not particullary subtle), and is doing a comic about a bat that solves crimes and saves the day, the comic is a success, but someone tells him that he had seen a similar character in japan before, and that it was probable that they also saw it and subconciously stole it

so they try to go to japan, and then shit happens, like, a lot of shit, the main point is that he can see the character billy bat going out of the pages and instructing them, giving them also inspiration to keep drawing, it's also worth mentioning that these comic chapters predicts the future

at the start of a lot of manga chapters you can see a few pages of the actual billy bat comic that it was drawn in the story, having a totally different art-style and more commonly than not, having color

these little bits of the comic are vital to understand the manga, as it has many, many characters and doesn't really focuses on a single one without any interruption, however, the global narrative aids you to understasnding how a character feels torward an event, what a logical response may be, what that characters means for the plot, and other sort of things

there are many side characters that only really appear once or twice, and for those characters the manga does something very smart. Almost every one-off character is based on a real world person, that way they can afford to introduce a character with so little screen time that the audience totally gets. If the manga shows you, I don't know, jesus christ, you know who that character is, allowing the story to keep the flow and without having to really explain many things

to be fair, I don't think I can really explain a lot of the plot itself and take much out of it, and that is because it's just SO FUCKING COMPLEX, really, I had almost never seen a story so complicated in structure while still being pretty understandable, with shows like texhnolyze there are few main elements that you can go "yeah that is uncommon but I can see what the author is trying to pull". However, with billy bat, there are 45 of those elements it honestly just sures the skills I have to really communicate properly in this type of thing

urasawa naoki is just one of the most skilled mangaka/director/writter person i've seen, as doing something of this magnitude just seems unreal

for example, let's take the ending, which is one of the parts that blew me away the most

you know pulp fiction right?, how at the start of the movie they show an event that will happen on the end of the movie, allowing for the audience to understand the characters and also set one thing in the future, in fact, the whole movie is based around tha tidea of achronological story-telling

billy bat had a similar idea, but they took it to the next level

the first scene does happen again in the end, however, the way it's done is totally different, as it is less giving you new information (how the heist for pulp fiction ended), but more like giving you slightly more context for the situation, nothing after the scenes of the start of the manga, but before. The end is not giving you any new information, but giving you more ground for the start of it

however, that extra concept, and the way it almost loops somehow works, as you can now see that start with all the information you've learned across the manga, and you realize, the end of the manga, was already showcased at the start, you just didn't understand it the first time

that is such an INSANE concept, I love it

and the whole manga is full of moments like that, in order to properly go across everything I think it's worth noting I would have to make this post 7 times longer and I just dont think I can do that, you're just going to have to trust me on this one that it's good. I'm surprised that this manga went as undernoticed as it did outside japan, because yeah, this is just god tier



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next: ...suprisingly the ot!book, no mangas left so time to read books, this is the shortest one of all the vn and books rn so it will be the one I do first



also, i'm sorry for just not being able to give the best analysis for billy bat, it unironically is just too complex and I would have to re-read and write a chapter by chapter analysis like I did with shimeji to really know what to say

Wait what if you rate each chapter from the OT! Book?

Like rate all of the chapters from worst to best...

Mine should land somewhere somewhere below the mid or something idk... =P

MrMcMikey22 wrote: 6l396f

Wait what if you rate each chapter from the OT! Book?

Like rate all of the chapters from worst to best...

Mine should land somewhere somewhere below the mid or something idk... =P

I'm thinking of do rating each chapter individually, or at least every from the same s individually, since the advice and criticism I can give to someone are not the same as I can give to another person, I still have to see how I will do it

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

MrMcMikey22 wrote: 6l396f

Wait what if you rate each chapter from the OT! Book?

Like rate all of the chapters from worst to best...

Mine should land somewhere somewhere below the mid or something idk... =P

I'm thinking of do rating each chapter individually, or at least every from the same s individually, since the advice and criticism I can give to someone are not the same as I can give to another person, I still have to see how I will do it

tbh would be interesting to get for each author

I am so freaking hyped for my request

well, I caught up with the OT!book and analyzed it

here are my chapter per chapter notes, however they're less in depth than what i'm going to write on here

honestly, this is an above average work for the skill level of writting that we're working with, like, i've read a lot of fanfics that are infinitely worse, and the number of fanfics/original stories of non very experienced writters that I prefeered over this one were small

however, there is one BIG problem that really kills a lot of scenes in the book, and that is the pacing

the thing with allowing everyone to create a character and and write a chapter is that for example at the start, there are 80 pages of pure character introduction, so it kinda gets boring after the 15th chapter introducing characters, also, when there is an actually good plot thread going on, having 2 chapters following a totally different thread kills the pacing of the first one. So things like the action scenes that you're trying to pull near the latest chapters falls a little bit flat. You can still write a good book with this setup, but I just dont think action/drama works

now, another problem that is less general to the actual story structure, is actually something that I already ranted about in my texhnolyze review

the general problem that happens when the internet tries to write anything, you end with too much lore

everything must be explained and showed to the reader, you must have a map, names for each location, story for each part, in depth lore for each character, etc.

When you're watching a movie or reading a book that is normally considered to be of very high quality, there really aren't segments where they just dump a shitload of lore in a flashback about the protagonist after the character was introduced for the first time, yet here it happens constantly. You spend like 30 chapters introducing lore for everything and setting shit up but most of the plot points that ends up happening doesn't take advantage of any of that, with one major exception, chapters 17, 28, and 29

you dont need to understand 100% of the world if you're only going to use 20% of it for the plot

the arika/robotic club plotline is actually really really good compared to the rest of the book, and is BY FAR the best part of the book. The concept of a character that just makes drone to explore and do experiments takes full advantage of everything set up, it takes advantage of the concept of the crumbling world, it actually ties well with the other club which was already set up before and allows for a chapter in the future where they actually do a partnership. The end of the chapters usually do set up things that ends up being on use, the writting style is solid. Due to it not being action it does not suffer from that problem I mentioned before

problem is, the best plotline in the book only has 3 chapters

the main arc of the book is this other side/fantasy monster/action plot, which again, the action doesn't really work. The concept of the other side was cool, this distorted land with all the colors reversed and stuff, that's cool, but you just dont take advantage of it. It's just shown and then not really used for anything

I don't really know where that main plot is going, even if it's the one that has had the most screen-time I don't know what the end goal for it would be, but honestly seeing how the structure and how everything is set up, I understnad the book is going to go as far as it can until the thread dies, which doesn't seem to be soon

more weird and specific details are on the documment I shared

i'm also using this post as my pitch for becoming an editor for the book. I think a lot of the earlier stuff cant really be fixed without rewritting, something that I know isn't really going to happen, but I think you can still take this to a good direction if the book goes for long enough

------ updates -------

started revolutionary girl utena, watched first 4 chapters, I like it, I was almost all day outside yesterday so I didn't really watch anything yesterday

next on the list: hapymaher, kayou seemed like a bit sad that it fell so long, so i'm going to prioritize this one

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

well, I caught up with the OT!book and analyzed it

here are my chapter per chapter notes, however they're less in depth than what i'm going to write on here

honestly, this is an above average work for the skill level of writting that we're working with, like, i've read a lot of fanfics that are infinitely worse, and the number of fanfics/original stories of non very experienced writters that I prefeered over this one were small

however, there is one BIG problem that really kills a lot of scenes in the book, and that is the pacing

the thing with allowing everyone to create a character and and write a chapter is that for example at the start, there are 80 pages of pure character introduction, so it kinda gets boring after the 15th chapter introducing characters, also, when there is an actually good plot thread going on, having 2 chapters following a totally different thread kills the pacing of the first one. So things like the action scenes that you're trying to pull near the latest chapters falls a little bit flat. You can still write a good book with this setup, but I just dont think action/drama works

now, another problem that is less general to the actual story structure, is actually something that I already ranted about in my texhnolyze review

the general problem that happens when the internet tries to write anything, you end with too much lore

everything must be explained and showed to the reader, you must have a map, names for each location, story for each part, in depth lore for each character, etc.

When you're watching a movie or reading a book that is normally considered to be of very high quality, there really aren't segments where they just dump a shitload of lore in a flashback about the protagonist after the character was introduced for the first time, yet here it happens constantly. You spend like 30 chapters introducing lore for everything and setting shit up but most of the plot points that ends up happening doesn't take advantage of any of that, with one major exception, chapters 17, 28, and 29

you dont need to understand 100% of the world if you're only going to use 20% of it for the plot

the arika/robotic club plotline is actually really really good compared to the rest of the book, and is BY FAR the best part of the book. The concept of a character that just makes drone to explore and do experiments takes full advantage of everything set up, it takes advantage of the concept of the crumbling world, it actually ties well with the other club which was already set up before and allows for a chapter in the future where they actually do a partnership. The end of the chapters usually do set up things that ends up being on use, the writting style is solid. Due to it not being action it does not suffer from that problem I mentioned before

problem is, the best plotline in the book only has 3 chapters

the main arc of the book is this other side/fantasy monster/action plot, which again, the action doesn't really work. The concept of the other side was cool, this distorted land with all the colors reversed and stuff, that's cool, but you just dont take advantage of it. It's just shown and then not really used for anything

I don't really know where that main plot is going, even if it's the one that has had the most screen-time I don't know what the end goal for it would be, but honestly seeing how the structure and how everything is set up, I understnad the book is going to go as far as it can until the thread dies, which doesn't seem to be soon

more weird and specific details are on the documment I shared

i'm also using this post as my pitch for becoming an editor for the book. I think a lot of the earlier stuff cant really be fixed without rewritting, something that I know isn't really going to happen, but I think you can still take this to a good direction if the book goes for long enough

------ updates -------

started revolutionary girl utena, watched first 4 chapters, I like it, I was almost all day outside yesterday so I didn't really watch anything yesterday

next on the list: hapymaher, kayou seemed like a bit sad that it fell so long, so i'm going to prioritize this one

bruh sortry i can't deal with this now i'm still processing the new pp record

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

------ updates -------

started revolutionary girl utena, watched first 4 chapters, I like it, I was almost all day outside yesterday so I didn't really watch anything yesterday

next on the list: hapymaher, kayou seemed like a bit sad that it fell so long, so i'm going to prioritize this one

Much like Penguindrum, Utena starts normally then stuff goes insane, like insane.

eblf2013 wrote: 331669

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

------ updates -------

started revolutionary girl utena, watched first 4 chapters, I like it, I was almost all day outside yesterday so I didn't really watch anything yesterday

next on the list: hapymaher, kayou seemed like a bit sad that it fell so long, so i'm going to prioritize this one

Much like Penguindrum, Utena starts normally then stuff goes insane, like insane.

I expected as much, i'm excited for it

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

well, I caught up with the OT!book and analyzed it

here are my chapter per chapter notes, however they're less in depth than what i'm going to write on here

honestly, this is an above average work for the skill level of writting that we're working with, like, i've read a lot of fanfics that are infinitely worse, and the number of fanfics/original stories of non very experienced writters that I prefeered over this one were small

however, there is one BIG problem that really kills a lot of scenes in the book, and that is the pacing

the thing with allowing everyone to create a character and and write a chapter is that for example at the start, there are 80 pages of pure character introduction, so it kinda gets boring after the 15th chapter introducing characters, also, when there is an actually good plot thread going on, having 2 chapters following a totally different thread kills the pacing of the first one. So things like the action scenes that you're trying to pull near the latest chapters falls a little bit flat. You can still write a good book with this setup, but I just dont think action/drama works

now, another problem that is less general to the actual story structure, is actually something that I already ranted about in my texhnolyze review

the general problem that happens when the internet tries to write anything, you end with too much lore

everything must be explained and showed to the reader, you must have a map, names for each location, story for each part, in depth lore for each character, etc.

When you're watching a movie or reading a book that is normally considered to be of very high quality, there really aren't segments where they just dump a shitload of lore in a flashback about the protagonist after the character was introduced for the first time, yet here it happens constantly. You spend like 30 chapters introducing lore for everything and setting shit up but most of the plot points that ends up happening doesn't take advantage of any of that, with one major exception, chapters 17, 28, and 29

you dont need to understand 100% of the world if you're only going to use 20% of it for the plot

the arika/robotic club plotline is actually really really good compared to the rest of the book, and is BY FAR the best part of the book. The concept of a character that just makes drone to explore and do experiments takes full advantage of everything set up, it takes advantage of the concept of the crumbling world, it actually ties well with the other club which was already set up before and allows for a chapter in the future where they actually do a partnership. The end of the chapters usually do set up things that ends up being on use, the writting style is solid. Due to it not being action it does not suffer from that problem I mentioned before

problem is, the best plotline in the book only has 3 chapters

the main arc of the book is this other side/fantasy monster/action plot, which again, the action doesn't really work. The concept of the other side was cool, this distorted land with all the colors reversed and stuff, that's cool, but you just dont take advantage of it. It's just shown and then not really used for anything

I don't really know where that main plot is going, even if it's the one that has had the most screen-time I don't know what the end goal for it would be, but honestly seeing how the structure and how everything is set up, I understnad the book is going to go as far as it can until the thread dies, which doesn't seem to be soon

more weird and specific details are on the documment I shared

i'm also using this post as my pitch for becoming an editor for the book. I think a lot of the earlier stuff cant really be fixed without rewritting, something that I know isn't really going to happen, but I think you can still take this to a good direction if the book goes for long enough

------ updates -------

started revolutionary girl utena, watched first 4 chapters, I like it, I was almost all day outside yesterday so I didn't really watch anything yesterday

next on the list: hapymaher, kayou seemed like a bit sad that it fell so long, so i'm going to prioritize this one

I've always wondered what the experience of actually reading the book in it's entirety as a newcomer would be like so your analysis was really insightful, thanks for that.

Unlike the other stuff you analysed I'm in a pretty unique position to actually respond to everything and answer questions, or at least offer good insight. We also have direct with all of the authors as well.

Glad to have you onboard as editor, you didn't need to write a pitch, dpeace and manishh are editors because I forgot to remove them from the group chat and I asked them if they wanted to be editors lol

I'll add you to the group chat, we can discuss stuff more in depth there

Actually it might be cool to make the discussion more public, it's not like any of this is supposed to be forbidden knowledge and it'll be good to have more insight from the actual authors

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cephaphysic wrote: 1o5144

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

well, I caught up with the OT!book and analyzed it

here are my chapter per chapter notes, however they're less in depth than what i'm going to write on here

honestly, this is an above average work for the skill level of writting that we're working with, like, i've read a lot of fanfics that are infinitely worse, and the number of fanfics/original stories of non very experienced writters that I prefeered over this one were small

however, there is one BIG problem that really kills a lot of scenes in the book, and that is the pacing

the thing with allowing everyone to create a character and and write a chapter is that for example at the start, there are 80 pages of pure character introduction, so it kinda gets boring after the 15th chapter introducing characters, also, when there is an actually good plot thread going on, having 2 chapters following a totally different thread kills the pacing of the first one. So things like the action scenes that you're trying to pull near the latest chapters falls a little bit flat. You can still write a good book with this setup, but I just dont think action/drama works

now, another problem that is less general to the actual story structure, is actually something that I already ranted about in my texhnolyze review

the general problem that happens when the internet tries to write anything, you end with too much lore

everything must be explained and showed to the reader, you must have a map, names for each location, story for each part, in depth lore for each character, etc.

When you're watching a movie or reading a book that is normally considered to be of very high quality, there really aren't segments where they just dump a shitload of lore in a flashback about the protagonist after the character was introduced for the first time, yet here it happens constantly. You spend like 30 chapters introducing lore for everything and setting shit up but most of the plot points that ends up happening doesn't take advantage of any of that, with one major exception, chapters 17, 28, and 29

you dont need to understand 100% of the world if you're only going to use 20% of it for the plot

the arika/robotic club plotline is actually really really good compared to the rest of the book, and is BY FAR the best part of the book. The concept of a character that just makes drone to explore and do experiments takes full advantage of everything set up, it takes advantage of the concept of the crumbling world, it actually ties well with the other club which was already set up before and allows for a chapter in the future where they actually do a partnership. The end of the chapters usually do set up things that ends up being on use, the writting style is solid. Due to it not being action it does not suffer from that problem I mentioned before

problem is, the best plotline in the book only has 3 chapters

the main arc of the book is this other side/fantasy monster/action plot, which again, the action doesn't really work. The concept of the other side was cool, this distorted land with all the colors reversed and stuff, that's cool, but you just dont take advantage of it. It's just shown and then not really used for anything

I don't really know where that main plot is going, even if it's the one that has had the most screen-time I don't know what the end goal for it would be, but honestly seeing how the structure and how everything is set up, I understnad the book is going to go as far as it can until the thread dies, which doesn't seem to be soon

more weird and specific details are on the documment I shared

i'm also using this post as my pitch for becoming an editor for the book. I think a lot of the earlier stuff cant really be fixed without rewritting, something that I know isn't really going to happen, but I think you can still take this to a good direction if the book goes for long enough

yeah that's fair

though god, i want to rewrite a bunch of my stuff even more than i previously did. they've been bugging me for other reasons and possibly contributing to this is just another one :V

I really want to rewrite my chapters well, especially the Yoony/Demon Lord chapter which I completely half assed because I ran out of time

Maybe we can all have a proper rewriting session at some point

Honestly if you want to rewrite stuff now just send it to me and I'll update it

Sorry Patatitta for hijacking this thread

DM FOR MUTUAL wrote: 6z15h

cephaphysic wrote: 1o5144

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

well, I caught up with the OT!book and analyzed it

here are my chapter per chapter notes, however they're less in depth than what i'm going to write on here

honestly, this is an above average work for the skill level of writting that we're working with, like, i've read a lot of fanfics that are infinitely worse, and the number of fanfics/original stories of non very experienced writters that I prefeered over this one were small

however, there is one BIG problem that really kills a lot of scenes in the book, and that is the pacing

the thing with allowing everyone to create a character and and write a chapter is that for example at the start, there are 80 pages of pure character introduction, so it kinda gets boring after the 15th chapter introducing characters, also, when there is an actually good plot thread going on, having 2 chapters following a totally different thread kills the pacing of the first one. So things like the action scenes that you're trying to pull near the latest chapters falls a little bit flat. You can still write a good book with this setup, but I just dont think action/drama works

now, another problem that is less general to the actual story structure, is actually something that I already ranted about in my texhnolyze review

the general problem that happens when the internet tries to write anything, you end with too much lore

everything must be explained and showed to the reader, you must have a map, names for each location, story for each part, in depth lore for each character, etc.

When you're watching a movie or reading a book that is normally considered to be of very high quality, there really aren't segments where they just dump a shitload of lore in a flashback about the protagonist after the character was introduced for the first time, yet here it happens constantly. You spend like 30 chapters introducing lore for everything and setting shit up but most of the plot points that ends up happening doesn't take advantage of any of that, with one major exception, chapters 17, 28, and 29

you dont need to understand 100% of the world if you're only going to use 20% of it for the plot

the arika/robotic club plotline is actually really really good compared to the rest of the book, and is BY FAR the best part of the book. The concept of a character that just makes drone to explore and do experiments takes full advantage of everything set up, it takes advantage of the concept of the crumbling world, it actually ties well with the other club which was already set up before and allows for a chapter in the future where they actually do a partnership. The end of the chapters usually do set up things that ends up being on use, the writting style is solid. Due to it not being action it does not suffer from that problem I mentioned before

problem is, the best plotline in the book only has 3 chapters

the main arc of the book is this other side/fantasy monster/action plot, which again, the action doesn't really work. The concept of the other side was cool, this distorted land with all the colors reversed and stuff, that's cool, but you just dont take advantage of it. It's just shown and then not really used for anything

I don't really know where that main plot is going, even if it's the one that has had the most screen-time I don't know what the end goal for it would be, but honestly seeing how the structure and how everything is set up, I understnad the book is going to go as far as it can until the thread dies, which doesn't seem to be soon

more weird and specific details are on the documment I shared

i'm also using this post as my pitch for becoming an editor for the book. I think a lot of the earlier stuff cant really be fixed without rewritting, something that I know isn't really going to happen, but I think you can still take this to a good direction if the book goes for long enough

yeah that's fair

though god, i want to rewrite a bunch of my stuff even more than i previously did. they've been bugging me for other reasons and possibly contributing to this is just another one :V

I really want to rewrite my chapters well, especially the Yoony/Demon Lord chapter which I completely half assed because I ran out of time

Maybe we can all have a proper rewriting session at some point

Honestly if you want to rewrite stuff now just send it to me and I'll update it

Sorry Patatitta for hijacking this thread

nah this is not hijacking, this is just having conversation over something I pointed out. I personally dont know how feasable a rewritting of certain segments would be, but I would agree it would definitively help the book

MaxIsABigKaiju wrote: 5b4w4z

I am so freaking hyped for my request

same, i will be forever tho lul
dunno why a book would take too long when its only like 300 pages ;-;

Dementedduck wrote: 3c2da

MaxIsABigKaiju wrote: 5b4w4z

I am so freaking hyped for my request

same, i will be forever tho lul
dunno why a book would take too long when its only like 300 pages ;-;

I mean, max's request is the next one after I finish this anime and your request is next after I finish this VN

I can finish a book pretty quickly, like, I read the OT!book in a day, but it's still more hours than a regular anime or manga or even some videogames

Review all of the webcomics from Control Alt Delete without quitting and I will give you 22 euros (sorry I'm joking, but if you survive watching at least three of the parts from the webcomics then your balls are made of indestructible titanium.)

DO IT! O_O

MrMcMikey22 wrote: 6l396f

Review all of the webcomics from Control Alt Delete without quitting and I will give you 22 euros (sorry I'm joking, but if you survive watching at least three of the parts from the webcomics then your balls are made of indestructible titanium.)

DO IT! O_O

okay I just saw the first image that appeared while looking at that on google and i'm for the challenge

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cephaphysic wrote: 1o5144

oh also, i'm legally obligated to ask you to read homestuck

it's over 8000 pages long, though most of them are a single . it's got flash games and animations as well. dunno how long it'll take you to read when you're committing to it

(also make sure you use the unoffical collection i linked above, or else you can't access the flash content)

I knew this was inevitable

i've been avoiding homestuck for over 10 years

will add to the list

green day songs
if you have a favorite, tell me

lostsilver wrote: q37e

green day songs
if you have a favorite, tell me

not doing music since I dont know shit about music

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

lostsilver wrote: q37e

green day songs
if you have a favorite, tell me

not doing music since I dont know shit about music

oh
alright uhhhhhhh
how about the sprites i've made in this thread

lostsilver wrote: q37e

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

lostsilver wrote: q37e

green day songs
if you have a favorite, tell me

not doing music since I dont know shit about music

oh
alright uhhhhhhh
how about the sprites i've made in this thread

as I said before, i'm not just reviewing anything, I need something with a plot or anything I can analyze, cant just do that for a sprite

Im glad you liked billy bat lmao, you put the feeling of weird confusion it makes into words, it really is that good

Edit: I might have a few more weird mangas I've already read, might shoot them here if i found any that's interesting

NotRaffi wrote: 171b11

Im glad you liked billy bat lmao, you put the feeling of weird confusion it makes into words, it really is that good

Edit: I might have a few more weird mangas I've already read, might shoot them here if i found any that's interesting

sure, always open for more suggestions

I dropped Hapymaher

I feel bad for katou, since they really were excited for their request, but this really isn't just something for me

i've played up to the middle of chapter 3, so like a little bit more than an hour and a half I think? (didn't really time it), which is enough time to judge IMO, and while the plot hasn't really started, I feel the game is pushing me into wanting to date one of the characters. Currently feels more like a dating simulator than a VN, and that's just not really my thing

and while the little scenes explaining the plot, the scene just showcases that one character panties in full detail, and while some people may be fine with stuff like that, I don't really like it. Like, before even anything really happened the game already throwed me an opportunity to have a sex scene

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next: Control Alt Delete webcomic



fuck



edit: i'm not going to do ctrlAltDelete what the fuck is this I didn't know it was THAT unfunny, i'm sorry but I dont want to torture myself

skipping to homestuck, which tbh I didn't put it on the special request list since I don't know how long it would take me, but now i'm realizing that it may be really fucking long

HAHAHA I tried reading CAD some time ago and it's really bad

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

I dropped Hapymaher

I feel bad for katou, since they really were excited for their request, but this really isn't just something for me

i've played up to the middle of chapter 3, so like a little bit more than an hour and a half I think? (didn't really time it), which is enough time to judge IMO, and while the plot hasn't really started, I feel the game is pushing me into wanting to date one of the characters. Currently feels more like a dating simulator than a VN, and that's just not really my thing

and while the little scenes explaining the plot, the scene just showcases that one character panties in full detail, and while some people may be fine with stuff like that, I don't really like it. Like, before even anything really happened the game already throwed me an opportunity to have a sex scene

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next: Control Alt Delete webcomic



fuck



edit: i'm not going to do ctrlAltDelete what the fuck is this I didn't know it was THAT unfunny, i'm sorry but I dont want to torture myself

skipping to homestuck, which tbh I didn't put it on the special request list since I don't know how long it would take me, but now i'm realizing that it may be really fucking long

Yeah, that's fine. Probably should have suggested something more tame at first.

Review me

sametdze wrote: 1l1a4s

Review me

as I have already said multiple times in this thread, I cant do stuff like that, what i'm looking for are books/games/anime/manga/film with plot or whatever I can analyze, I cant analyze a sprite or a person or a contest

Man Patatitta really Loss the challenge. xD

I guess he can't handle the cringe on his potato brain after all lol.

But yeah it's really cringe, at least you got that right or else...

O_O

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

sametdze wrote: 1l1a4s

Review me

as I have already said multiple times in this thread, I cant do stuff like that, what i'm looking for are books/games/anime/manga/film with plot or whatever I can analyze, I cant analyze a sprite or a person or a contest

Fine, I'll review myself

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

sametdze wrote: 1l1a4s

Review me

as I have already said multiple times in this thread, I cant do stuff like that, what i'm looking for are books/games/anime/manga/film with plot or whatever I can analyze, I cant analyze a sprite or a person or a contest

Review my me! page lel

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

lostsilver wrote: q37e

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

lostsilver wrote: q37e

green day songs
if you have a favorite, tell me

not doing music since I dont know shit about music

oh
alright uhhhhhhh
how about the sprites i've made in this thread

as I said before, i'm not just reviewing anything, I need something with a plot or anything I can analyze, cant just do that for a sprite

oh alright then :/
then what about over the garden wall

sametdze wrote: 1l1a4s

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

sametdze wrote: 1l1a4s

Review me

as I have already said multiple times in this thread, I cant do stuff like that, what i'm looking for are books/games/anime/manga/film with plot or whatever I can analyze, I cant analyze a sprite or a person or a contest

Fine, I'll review myself

nono ill do it
u are cool train guy who has model trains and is cool
did i mention the trains? or that ur cool? i forget

o yea also u are cool to see on da forum 👍

i give u a 6/10 on da osu ranking

MrMcMikey22 wrote: 6l396f

Man Patatitta really Loss the challenge. xD

I guess he can't handle the cringe on his potato brain after all lol.

But yeah it's really cringe, at least you got that right or else...

O_O

honestly I don't think I have ever dropped something so fast in my life


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I feel bad for dropping 3 things today but homestuck is not really the thing for me

I have read up to page 474 before deciding to drop it, I really wasn't willing to read any mroe of that

idk, I just don't really get homestuck?, Like, the way ht's written, it's like a point and click game, which is cool, I lovee point and click games, like, currently i'm playing this game called norco, and it's really good so far. And my favourite game of all time, disco elysium, does feel point and click adjacent due to how much text it has and how little gameplay it has

however, one of the appeal of these types of games for me is having the freedom to explore on your own, roleplay as your character, solving the puzles on your own, if i'm just reading someone else play a point and click adventure game, that's boring

it's also worth mentioning that the way you write a poitn and click game is not the way you write a book or a webcomic, stuff like saying what actions the character takes with is not the most ideas for a book, but it's just very often a needed thing for this type of games. However, in this medium you dont need to do that, you're making the reading quality worse for no reason, since you're not giving me any of the upside for it

the story is also completely lineal so far, even if it's a webcomic and there are flash games and stuff, the story is just lineal

the story was also not my thing, it was mainly just focused on comedy which it's fine on itself, but it's a type of comedy that I don't really enjoy much

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updates: I finished chapter 12 of revolutionary girl utena and i'm liking it so far

next: pale fire

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cephaphysic wrote: 1o5144

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

MrMcMikey22 wrote: 6l396f

Man Patatitta really Loss the challenge. xD

I guess he can't handle the cringe on his potato brain after all lol.

But yeah it's really cringe, at least you got that right or else...

O_O

honestly I don't think I have ever dropped something so fast in my life


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I feel bad for dropping 3 things today but homestuck is not really the thing for me

I have read up to page 474 before deciding to drop it, I really wasn't willing to read any mroe of that

idk, I just don't really get homestuck?, Like, the way ht's written, it's like a point and click game, which is cool, I lovee point and click games, like, currently i'm playing this game called norco, and it's really good so far. And my favourite game of all time, disco elysium, does feel point and click adjacent due to how much text it has and how little gameplay it has

however, one of the appeal of these types of games for me is having the freedom to explore on your own, roleplay as your character, solving the puzles on your own, if i'm just reading someone else play a point and click adventure game, that's boring

it's also worth mentioning that the way you write a poitn and click game is not the way you write a book or a webcomic, stuff like saying what actions the character takes with is not the most ideas for a book, but it's just very often a needed thing for this type of games. However, in this medium you dont need to do that, you're making the reading quality worse for no reason, since you're not giving me any of the upside for it

the story is also completely lineal so far, even if it's a webcomic and there are flash games and stuff, the story is just lineal

the story was also not my thing, it was mainly just focused on comedy which it's fine on itself, but it's a type of comedy that I don't really enjoy much

fair enough. the beginning isn't really reflective of the entire webcomic (obviously it is a comedy, but there's more to it further in), and i personally think the text adventure style it goes for is neat, but if it's just something you plain can't get into, i can't really make you ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

>>

also, if you don't mind, could you watch lackadaisy? mainly have the animation on mind, but if you want you can go through the webcomic, since the animated series only has one episode rn

will read the webcomic, will add to the list


and also, while I can believe that it's a lot different in future chapters, the early stuff sets up stuff, but if you didn't enjoy the set up, you're not going to enjoy the payoff. So in 95% of situations with anything, if you dont enjoy the beginning you wont really enjoy anything else

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Pale fare analysis:


for anyone interested in reading this book, please, do NOT go in blind. Don't make the same mistake as I did

This is for sure one of the most unique books i've read. The book is structured like a poetry book, with a poem called "Pale fire", if you don't know better, you will probably skip the afterword since it looks like it was made by the editorial or something, and probably also the index in the back, you would just read the poem, enjoy it, and move on with your life

thing is, unless you look at wikipedia or have someone really tell you this, you may not know that there is actually more book. After the poem there is a big analysis of the book, you would initially think that this was not needed if you just dont want to read an analysis or think you kinda understood the poem. However it's in that analysis that the actual book is at

the point of pale fire, is that every other element (the afterword, the analysis and the index) are part of a different narrative. This becomes clear when you actually read any of them

you will notice at like the third paragraph of the analysis, that our narrator, (which is NOT the author of the poem) is actually clueless and writting a lot of bullshit. Like, they take a line of the book, kinda does something that could be true, and then 3 paragraphs later they're talking about their morning routine. Going to use an example of the start of the book to not spoil anyone

kinbote wrote: 1uk3c

Lines 1-4: I was the shadow of the waxwing slain, etc.
The image in these opening lines evidently refers to a bird knocking itself out, in full flight, against the outer surface of a glass pane in which a mirrored sky, with its slightly darker tint and slightly slower cloud, presents the illusion of continued space. [...]

kinbote wrote: 1uk3c

[...] The poem was begun at the dead center of the year, a few minutes after midnight July 1, while I played chess with a young Iranian enrolled in our summer school

and then, deeper into the book, it doesn't just tell stuff about their life, but actually starts telling a different story whatsoever, thing is, if you're reading this as if it was an actual poem analysis, (me, clueless). The fact taht the narrator is incredibly hateable and clearly spreading lies and stuff not relevant to the poem, will make you just kinda skim some sections when they starts their weird ramblings. However, you're not really supposed to do this, as there is a deeper narrative if you actually do engage critically and analyze the last detail out of those ramblings

and that is, because while there is a plot in the things they say about the kingdom of zembla, there is a deeper plot, about their actual relationship to the actual author, who is he exactly, and why he is doing this. Which, to be completely honest, I missed on my read-through


thing is, you must read the book with a word documment or notebook open and then read every word and then stop after every sentence to study what their actual meaning is. And after you have read it once, you got to read it again, because for sure there is going to be stuff recontextualized and things you missed. Which being honest, it's not my favourite thing to do

however, if you were to do that, you would realize that the book is actually a lot more complex and really well written, but yeah. It's just you need a lot of context before going into the book, as the actual book is not the most enjoyable if not, there are so many things descouraging you from actually reading the book critically that I think most readers currently won't really spot this sort of elements

not also that, but the book is also old, it's from 1962, not only that, but the actual author is russian, but this book was written in an entirely different culture, and they do use references to some stuff that while it may be apparent on the era and location it was written. It's really not noticeable by anyone unless you read the wikipedia article for it and then also watch a video analysis

even if I have complained a lot about the book, I do really like what they're trying to do, use a analysis of a book to tell a entirely different plot. I have seen more modern works with similar concepts, and they're really amazing. And this was the earliest example I know of this sort of story-telling, I just wish this book was easier to get into, because if it wasn't been for wikipedia, I would have missed half the book

the actual plot is good, and part of the acutal plot appeal is the feeling of just calling the fictional narrator out on it's bullshit to then discover more plot. Cant really say any specifics of the plot because of that

noy only that, but there isn't really a concensus what the acutal true plot and events of pale fire are. So yeah, good luck trying to read this

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next: Lackadaisy

also i'm still watching revolutionary girl utena, I just finished chapter 24 and I'm still very much enjoying it

lackadaisy analysis:

I initially was only going to read the comci, but I liked it, so I watched both the comic and the pilot episode for an animated series

lackadaisy is a pretty nice webcomic, it's about these furry characters in the 20's going around and having adventure, you dont really need to read many chapters to realize that it's that type of webcomic, the one that there is a massive diehard fanbase, mainly in tumblr and if you're looking at it from the outside, you dont really get why

about the webcomic itself, the art is gorgeous. The first chapters start with a sepia color tone reminiscent of old phographs, with pretty detailed drawings behidn it. The sepia tpne was added mainly to make the webcomic easier to draw, as just drawing full color each chapter is incredebly time consuming. Only very successful comics can afford to go full color, however, the sepia aesthetic really fits and blends very well with the 20's detective adventure plot that they go for

however, ther is a radical shift in the art near the end of the manga, switching, effectively, to full colour. And while it does lose a bit of the charm the previous art-style had, it's absolutely amazing, probably one of the best drawn comics i've read in this style. The characters are very well defined and there really isn't anything up for interpretation, which I think fits this story

The characters are great, they're all very likeable. If you told me any character was your favourite I would understand why you think that.

My only real problem with this comic is the plot. It's a very unfocused story, and since they make most of the scenes character moments, there is very little to the plot, it's supposed to be a mistery murder misterty thing but it really doesn't have that energy other than the setting

I don't know, I just think this comic is in the wrong genre, if you want to make a character focused story with great art and focus all your energy in that, make a SoL, not a murder mistery. It does make sense why it isn't a SoL though, and that is because the genre of SoL isn't really present in occidental comics, less in 2006 when this started publication. Which is a shame, because I feel this comic would be SO much better if it just went the pure SoL route

not only that, but with the art-style change it feels it's trying to get more serious, but you cant really have this furry silly little funny characters and then have a hyperdramatic tense moment, you either have one or the other, not both

the pilot episode for the animation is fine, everything appleies to this other than the art, which I feel is a downgrade compared to the art-style of the comic, as it feels that in order to make the animation they got closer to the style of something like hazbin hotel

still good, would recommend it but I just wish it was a SoL

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flowers for algernon next

also i'm still watching utena, i'm on chapter 32, pretty good so far

do over the garden wall please

lostsilver wrote: q37e

do over the garden wall please

actually did want to watch that show, adding to the list, I have a friend who watched it and enjoyed it so I was curious

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

lostsilver wrote: q37e

do over the garden wall please

actually did want to watch that show, adding to the list, I have a friend who watched it and enjoyed it so I was curious

LET'S GOOOOOOOOO
you will not regret watching it, it's so good!!!

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

flowers for algernon next

also i'm still watching utena, i'm on chapter 32, pretty good so far

Do not skip chapter 33, might be a recap but has details that are important (well just skip the recap parts if you want)

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

flowers for algernon next

yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy

I love seeing duck happy, thanks patatitta

Wonder if WOY is next after anything you're finishing up now

MaxIsABigKaiju wrote: 5b4w4z

Wonder if WOY is next after anything you're finishing up now

wander over yonder is after revolutionary girl utena yes. Probably will finish utena tomorrow

The Platform

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

The Platform

not doing horror since i'm a coward and I hate horror

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

The Platform

not doing horror since i'm a coward and I hate horror

boo alright, then Contagion

Can you review stellaris pls I've been playing it for like a week and it's been pretty fun

Metalocalypse

review this curvy ass banana i had a few days ago

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

The Platform

not doing horror since i'm a coward and I hate horror

boo alright, then Contagion

yeah I can do that

NotRaffi wrote: 171b11

Can you review stellaris pls I've been playing it for like a week and it's been pretty fun

I can try but let me warn you, i've already played HOI4 and didn't really get into it, so I don't know if stellaris is going to be any different

Dyllion wrote: 2k3a6k

Metalocalypse

I have absolutely no clue of what's this so sure

Cerno wrote: 6g571s

review this curvy ass banana i had a few days ago

schlong

no

Cerno wrote: 6g571s

review this curvy ass banana i had a few days ago

schlong

6/10, the shape seems difficult to eat and it's far from the largest banana I have eaten but it seems ripe enough so I guess the flavor must have been okay.

Did you know? Did you know? I've just watched revolutionary girl utena and really enjoyed it

Utena takes the form of a typical shoujo anime but then puts a spin on it, which on itself is a pretty commo nthing, but the themes that this anime tackles and the way they go on doing it is really cool

for starters, this anime is a way easier anime to follow than penguindrum (From the same director), the way it introduces elements is a lot more gradual IMO, and there isn't that drastic change present in chapters 13-14 of penguindrum. The story is a lot SoL-ish IMO, just utena getting dragged into the duels and then shit flowing very naturally from there on

It is a lot less mind-shattering as penguindrum tho, but that is also because this was made in the late 90's, and it being a subversion of the shoujo genre, if you haven't really grown with it or have all the tropes already ingrained in your head, it's probably not going to hit as hard. Not only that but some of the stuff that this anime does in many ways aren't that noble anymore, however, it's still an amazingly well crafted shoujo-drama-SoL-ish anime that's 100% worth watching

the art-style is great but you really got to like that 90's shoujo aesthetic to really enjoy it (which I do), with all the over-dressed characters and over the top husbandos

The main story is kinda wack, it's for sure unique. It uses the typical shoujo prince/princess love story and then just pushes that to their logical extreme, how that type of idealized love can blind you in some ways like with the rose bride or all the coming of age related stories. And this really just works because all the protagonists are extremely well written, and they feel like an actual person that just has hit puberty as of recent.

I think i'm also legally and contractually obligated to say how fucking gay this anime is, and that is, very gay. I wont elaborate any further

you can also clearly see a lot of the ADN for penguindrum early in this anime, having those second openings for certain characters, and sometimes something funny going on in the background or whatever, if you have seen penguindrum you will see the similarities

this is a pretty good anime all around

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next: Wander over yonder
also I started flowers for algernon, i'm enjoying it so far

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

I think i'm also legally and contractually obligated to say how fucking gay this anime is, and that is, very gay. I wont elaborate any further

The movie is gayer even (and ofc more confusing). Can I suggest it?

eblf2013 wrote: 331669

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

I think i'm also legally and contractually obligated to say how fucking gay this anime is, and that is, very gay. I wont elaborate any further

The movie is gayer even (and ofc more confusing). Can I suggest it?

oh shit, didn't know there was a movie, is it like ar recap/alternate story thing or is it a sequel?

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

eblf2013 wrote: 331669

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

I think i'm also legally and contractually obligated to say how fucking gay this anime is, and that is, very gay. I wont elaborate any further

The movie is gayer even (and ofc more confusing). Can I suggest it?

oh shit, didn't know there was a movie, is it like ar recap/alternate story thing or is it a sequel?

Remake/retelling/alternate reality would be a more accurate word. It was made in 1999 but despite that the animation quality is superb. Technically it's standalone but the film is so insane that even by having watched the series I had a hard time getting it lol.

eblf2013 wrote: 331669

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

eblf2013 wrote: 331669

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

I think i'm also legally and contractually obligated to say how fucking gay this anime is, and that is, very gay. I wont elaborate any further

The movie is gayer even (and ofc more confusing). Can I suggest it?

oh shit, didn't know there was a movie, is it like ar recap/alternate story thing or is it a sequel?

Remake/retelling/alternate reality would be a more accurate word. It was made in 1999 but despite that the animation quality is superb. Technically it's standalone but the film is so insane that even by having watched the series I had a hard time getting it lol.

I see, will watch it but later since I already promised wander over yonder

Hi. I'm not going to request an eroge this time. I want you to check a web novel titled "Shinka no Mi". It also has a manga, light novel and anime adaptation. Honestly, pick your poison.

KatouMegumi wrote: 4d5u5e

Hi. I'm not going to request an eroge this time. I want you to check a web novel titled "Shinka no Mi". It also has a manga, light novel and anime adaptation. Honestly, pick your poison.

given that I don't really trust the quality of a scanlated japanese web novel, i'm going to read the manga as i'm not really seeing any official translation

I ended up dropping wander over yonder after the 4th episode

there is nothing particullary wrong about this tv show but IMO there really isn't anything that good either, it's a very frenetic animated TV comedy full of musical numbers and stuff, and honestly my only real problem with this series is that I just didn't find it funny lmao, but that's just purely subjective

the animation is nice, it had some cool shots, but they really don't do anything that weird with the art other than the typical cartoon violence we're all used to

there really isn't much of a plot. Everything kinda does return to the statu quo, so really forget about big plot points, and each chapters start in a random place, so there doesn't really seem any real conection between chapters, so this is just a purely episodic show

the most interesting part are the songs, which again, are just fine, but it doesn't really seem like they do anything particullary special with the musical numbers

I just didn't really watch two seasons of this show, sorry

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next: gilgamesh

updates:

i'm still reading flowers for algernon, still good
how the FUCK do you play stellaris

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

I ended up dropping wander over yonder after the 4th episode

there is nothing particullary wrong about this tv show but IMO there really isn't anything that good either, it's a very frenetic animated TV comedy full of musical numbers and stuff, and honestly my only real problem with this series is that I just didn't find it funny lmao, but that's just purely subjective

the animation is nice, it had some cool shots, but they really don't do anything that weird with the art other than the typical cartoon violence we're all used to

there really isn't much of a plot. Everything kinda does return to the statu quo, so really forget about big plot points, and each chapters start in a random place, so there doesn't really seem any real conection between chapters, so this is just a purely episodic show

the most interesting part are the songs, which again, are just fine, but it doesn't really seem like they do anything particullary special with the musical numbers

I just didn't really watch two seasons of this show, sorry

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next: gilgamesh

updates:

i'm still reading flowers for algernon, still good
how the FUCK do you play stellaris

maxisabigkaiju is gonna be really mad

Ah, yeah, here's the MAL link for the movie, as well as the title being Shoujo Kakumei Utena: Adolescence Mokushiroku. It also received a Castillian Spanish dub this year btw I'd do a YTPH of it if I knew how to edit stuff lol.
https://osu-ppy-sh.jeuxcrack.net/anime/441/Shoujo_Kakumei_Utena__Adolescence_Mokushiroku

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

I ended up dropping wander over yonder after the 4th episode

there is nothing particullary wrong about this tv show but IMO there really isn't anything that good either, it's a very frenetic animated TV comedy full of musical numbers and stuff, and honestly my only real problem with this series is that I just didn't find it funny lmao, but that's just purely subjective

the animation is nice, it had some cool shots, but they really don't do anything that weird with the art other than the typical cartoon violence we're all used to

there really isn't much of a plot. Everything kinda does return to the statu quo, so really forget about big plot points, and each chapters start in a random place, so there doesn't really seem any real conection between chapters, so this is just a purely episodic show

the most interesting part are the songs, which again, are just fine, but it doesn't really seem like they do anything particullary special with the musical numbers

I just didn't really watch two seasons of this show, sorry

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next: gilgamesh

updates:

i'm still reading flowers for algernon, still good
how the FUCK do you play stellaris

You have angered me
Play G-Darius next

will do

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

how the FUCK do you play stellaris

Me too me too, that's kinda the thing that makes me still play, i just want to understand it better

NotRaffi wrote: 171b11

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

how the FUCK do you play stellaris

Me too me too, that's kinda the thing that makes me still play, i just want to understand it better

Ah yes, the paradox of paradox games; understanding the UI.

Flowers of algernon is a really good book

the story is simple, there is this guy who has intellectual disability, and due to certain experiments, they manage to rise their IQ to incredibly high levels. The book is mainly focused on that character developement on how this change affects their person and in what ways


the thing is, while the experiments raised their book intelligence to maximum levels, they really didn't do that for their emotional intelligence, moving on from being a lovable idiot to a arrogant, narcissistic redditor and quora . You really feel that slow change too, in the last part of the book, some scenes really hurt emotionally as the book really made you like charlie


the book is also in a way about ableism, but we got to that the original short story was written in 1959, the full novel being released in 1966, so while the book is incredebly ive and honestly pretty ahead of it's time, there are still certain or missconceptions that could be seen as either a little bit offensive or just plain wrong, however you can clearly see the author's intent so that really doesn't matter

the writting style is also very interesting as this book is written in first person, and since charlie barely knew how to write, you can see the actual writting style and vocabulary improve as the book goes on.

I think this book is also very cruel in the way it depicted society, as even if they dont tell you explicitly, you can clearly see all the ways they were exploting charlie, in the bakery with the 10$ a week salary, the non-consensual experiments, and then in the last part of the book how charlie became very sexist

my only real complain with the book is that I wish that it was longer and actually explored tose concepts more, I wanted to see smart charlie opinion on the fact that he was being exploited, but IO guess that in the book he kinda just internalized that and just moved on?, this could also just be a case of the author not really trying to really talk about those stuff or thinking it wasn't quite needed, as I said, the original short story was made in 1959

however, I feel that even if not acknowledged that this book still really allows to see how mentally disabled people were perceived back in the day

yeah this book is really good, and honestly even if it may seem a little bit logical the "you are not superior to anyone for knowing math", some people still need to learn it, and the character developement and things it said about society is also very interesting

also, question for dementedduck, how did you even find this book?, this feels like it could be the type of book that they make you read in school, but if not, where did you find it?, I really want to read more books, have wanted to do so for a long while, but i just dont know any resource to find actually good books like this one, so if you could share anything, it would be helpful

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updates:

watched the first chapter of gilgamesh, it was nice
I kinda have a stellaris run going??? I think????

next: Shinka no Mi

potato man has more free time that me how

Reyalp51 wrote: 3o2r5d

potato man has more free time that me how

unfortunate real life events, hopefully next year I will have less free time

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

also, question for dementedduck, how did you even find this book?, this feels like it could be the type of book that they make you read in school, but if not, where did you find it?, I really want to read more books, have wanted to do so for a long while, but i just dont know any resource to find actually good books like this one, so if you could share anything, it would be helpful

i found it cos it was recommended to me by someone who knew i would like it
normally i find new books through my mum as she also really likes reading but for stuff like this i either get people to recommend them to me or i look at other books by authors i like/ look at what people say the books i like are similar to

you can also just search on google "best *insert genre here* books" and take ur chances, that way u can also add like 'over 400 pages' or 'similar to *etc*' to get a more direct result

edit: o yea u can also just browse websites and look for books with good ratings
eg goodreads or storygraph (pretty much better goodreads)

Shinka no Mi analysis:

To make clear, i've read the manga, I know there is a web novel and a light novel and an anime, but honestly I feel most of the issues that I have are not adaptation problems, as they're way more fundamental

shinka no mi is just fine, not bad, probably good if you're into fantasy romcoms, but there isn't anything particullary special about it

the story follows the typical fantasy world isekai dragon quest demon king plot, except there are RPG elements, so like solo leveling and the such. Except it's a romcopm, so at the end it's just closer to konosuba than anything else. However I dont like eiother konosuba or solo leveling, so I dont have any feeling to any sort of way

the premise itself is fine, taking familiar elements and then using that as a base to create a banger story is a pretty popular technique, thing is, shinka no mi really doesn't do that

it's just more of the typical things, the rpg elements aren't really used in any sort of noble way, the characters are kinda shallow, and there are also some normal action scenes in it. Nothing of this is bad, as I said, it's just normal, regular stuff. But that means you're only really going to enjoy shinka no mi if you're already actively a fan of these elements, as this offers nothing new to the table

the story is pretty unfocused too, things kinda just happens, and nothing is really given special screen time and depth.

There really isn't anything to really analyze here, since it's just a bland generic fantasy isekai romcom, only read if you like that genre

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updates:

i'm still playing stellaris
i'm still watching gilgamesh

next: there isn't anything more for me to read

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cephaphysic wrote: 1o5144

since i finally got around to finishing it earlier, how about cyberpunk: edgerunners?

yeah sure, still have to play the actual game but if I recall you dont really need to play it to watch the anime

If you got nothing to read can you read "hotel"? It's a manga by the same guy that wrote dr.stone i think

Watch Shinsekai Yori and review

NotRaffi wrote: 171b11

If you got nothing to read can you read "hotel"? It's a manga by the same guy that wrote dr.stone i think

this one right? okay, will do

Jangsoodlor wrote: 4z5t12

Watch Shinsekai Yori and review

going to take a while since I have so many things to watch but sure

Yea that one

just read hotel

I really dont think this manga works well as an athology, I feel the actual content that was in the manga was fairly good, but they just dont work in this format, they need more time to set up stuff and actually use the world-building they dedicate so much time to explaining

a lot of the scenes kinda just feel you've watching the 50th chapter of an anime without any further context and it just happens that chapter is the arc finale. It has all these hyperdramatic and tense moments, but if you just dont really know the characters or the situation, someone going BUT THINK ABOUT OUR BABY randomly, instead of it actually being a very emotional scene, it's just funny on how absurd it is

for an anthology you want to make stories that doesn't really would work as a manga, stuff like hyper experimental short stories, quick little SoL-ish shorts, that sort of stuff, but just trying to pick a plot for a 15 volume manga and cramming it in a single chapter is just bad

other than that, chapter 4 (stephanos) was a little bit to gory and gruesome for my taste, (but that's a me thing), and I know this is made by the same guy as dr stone and there is probably traces of this work in dr stane but I haven't read dr stone

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i'm about to finish gilgamesh
I thought I had lost my stelaris run, but i'm still alive somehow, I know it's going to be near impossible to win rn but i'm going to go until the game actually finishes

next: nothing to read

Review my osu! profile lol

Corne2Plum3 wrote: 3y1z1p

Review my osu! profile lol

cant do so, not really anything to analyze or review there

Gilgamesh analysis:

gilgamesh is a weird one, I can see why someone would like this anime, but i'm not that person. I was originally mixed on it, but honestly giving it the extra thought needed for this I think I kind of dislike it

if someone ever tells you to watch gilgamesh, it is because of the plot, it's probably the best element of the anime, it's kinda like a paranormal mistery drama anime. And well, there is certainly a lot of plot in this, that I can say for sure

this anime plot is fairly dark. This is complemented by the very pale colors used in the animation, the lack of OST for some scenes or disturbing/ambiental sounds, the plate is made in a way that every character always has another secret, that everyone isn't really what it seems and that stuff is very dangerous.

But as for as much lore this anime has, I don't feel it ever really goes in depth into any of it, for example, one of the most talked about events is this "Twin X", a date where shit happened (Trying to not spoil stuff) and changed the future of humanity. However, even if it's total disaster for humanity, you kinda just have to believe that, as the anime wont put much effort into showcasing the life of regular people after these events or how humanity moved forward and what suggestions are there to revert this. This is something that should affect the entire world, however, it really doesn't seem to be only a talking point for our protagonists character arc. It feels this way for most stuff

However, as I mentioned before, this anime is also drama, and I think it's on those drama elements where this anime really falls apart. The characters are just not good IMO, they really dont feel like they have any personality after the obvious "this is a very dark story with dark characters who are hiding things", so when they try to pull of something like a romance, it just doesn't really work since I don't like any of the characters, it's not like they're complete unlikeable assholes, they just dont have much of a personality. And if you dont really care about the characters, you probably wont care about the plot either, it's really easy to lose interest in this anime

In a way, this feels like it took inspiration from evangelion but only evangelion 3.0 you can (not) redo. It's mainly focused on the lore, which is more complex than deep, and the characters fall kinda flat, making for a kinda boring watch.

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next: over the garden wall

I haven't really played stellaris since the last update, so same scenario

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

Gilgamesh analysis:

gilgamesh is a weird one, I can see why someone would like this anime, but i'm not that person. I was originally mixed on it, but honestly giving it the extra thought needed for this I think I kind of dislike it

if someone ever tells you to watch gilgamesh, it is because of the plot, it's probably the best element of the anime, it's kinda like a paranormal mistery drama anime. And well, there is certainly a lot of plot in this, that I can say for sure

this anime plot is fairly dark. This is complemented by the very pale colors used in the animation, the lack of OST for some scenes or disturbing/ambiental sounds, the plate is made in a way that every character always has another secret, that everyone isn't really what it seems and that stuff is very dangerous.

But as for as much lore this anime has, I don't feel it ever really goes in depth into any of it, for example, one of the most talked about events is this "Twin X", a date where shit happened (Trying to not spoil stuff) and changed the future of humanity. However, even if it's total disaster for humanity, you kinda just have to believe that, as the anime wont put much effort into showcasing the life of regular people after these events or how humanity moved forward and what suggestions are there to revert this. This is something that should affect the entire world, however, it really doesn't seem to be only a talking point for our protagonists character arc. It feels this way for most stuff

However, as I mentioned before, this anime is also drama, and I think it's on those drama elements where this anime really falls apart. The characters are just not good IMO, they really dont feel like they have any personality after the obvious "this is a very dark story with dark characters who are hiding things", so when they try to pull of something like a romance, it just doesn't really work since I don't like any of the characters, it's not like they're complete unlikeable assholes, they just dont have much of a personality. And if you dont really care about the characters, you probably wont care about the plot either, it's really easy to lose interest in this anime

In a way, this feels like it took inspiration from evangelion but only evangelion 3.0 you can (not) redo. It's mainly focused on the lore, which is more complex than deep, and the characters fall kinda flat, making for a kinda boring watch.

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next: over the garden wall

I haven't really played stellaris since the last update, so same scenario

Even though I really liked the anime I gotta it the characters are kinda dull, the plot doesn't exactly revolve around the characters though (not the ones we see most of the time at least) but around what they are as a group imo
I understand why people don't like it though

I think you should read the Haruhi novels. They're great. And also the only light novel I haven't dropped lol

eblf2013 wrote: 331669

I think you should read the Haruhi novels. They're great. And also the only light novel I haven't dropped lol

nah honestly I like having the experience of accidently watching the movie with no further context and I want to keep it that way, i'm sure they're great, but that experience feels kinda special

Patatitta wrote: 5t25

just read hotel

I really dont think this manga works well as an athology, I feel the actual content that was in the manga was fairly good, but they just dont work in this format, they need more time to set up stuff and actually use the world-building they dedicate so much time to explaining

a lot of the scenes kinda just feel you've watching the 50th chapter of an anime without any further context and it just happens that chapter is the arc finale. It has all these hyperdramatic and tense moments, but if you just dont really know the characters or the situation, someone going BUT THINK ABOUT OUR BABY randomly, instead of it actually being a very emotional scene, it's just funny on how absurd it is

for an anthology you want to make stories that doesn't really would work as a manga, stuff like hyper experimental short stories, quick little SoL-ish shorts, that sort of stuff, but just trying to pick a plot for a 15 volume manga and cramming it in a single chapter is just bad

other than that, chapter 4 (stephanos) was a little bit to gory and gruesome for my taste, (but that's a me thing), and I know this is made by the same guy as dr stone and there is probably traces of this work in dr stane but I haven't read dr stone

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i'm about to finish gilgamesh
I thought I had lost my stelaris run, but i'm still alive somehow, I know it's going to be near impossible to win rn but i'm going to go until the game actually finishes

next: nothing to read

Hotel was pretty good tbh, it is just like that tho, the first chapter kinda feels like it's gonna focus more about the humans that was still alive but it didn't.

Also if you review novels can you read "the devastation of baal", I'm planning to buy a copy but idk if it's gonna be good or nah.

If you're not reading novels, can you read "Uramiya Honpo" By kurihara shoushou, it's a pretty good manga imo

I don't know anything about warhammer so idk if I'm going to enjoy the devastation of baal