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hmmn. then it might become a problem if people express discontent or outrage as a result, because that then could qualify as a privilege and distinct class of power (edit: not functional power like the gmt, though)ghoulybits wrote: v2x52
Denizenship is required for OT!Government roles AFAIK. I know for sure that you have to be denizen for 3 months in order to run for presidentAchromalia wrote: 5ev6p
pretty much. it's hardly more than a glorified hall of fame on the basis of recognition for subforum contribution, though i did want one thing for clarification-- does denizenship have intra-forum political relevance? if for example it was needed to apply for ot!parliament/ot!government/ot!president, then it would have much more significance than it's worthYyottaCat wrote: d3g2y
Let me point it clear here:
Denizenship doesn’t get you money.
Denizenship doesn’t mean anything in real life.
Denizenship can’t get you any more privileges.
Denizenship can’t make you become somehow above other people.
Denizenship doesn’t change anything about you.
Denizenship means literally nothing outside of a random subforum in a forum half-dead in a game most people don’t care about.
In short, denizenship is quite literally worthless.
it could similarly be said that this system was implemented inconsistently or may not have been necessary, using my initial presidency as an example to justify that perspective.
since i'm not personally privy to the reasoning and discourse within ot!government, i can't claim it's faulty, but from this point of observation, this would be yet another fault line of class disparity, however marginal it might seem (since a can more or less do what they want regardless, and ot!government at best might serve as an organized committee that can distribute posts & media). all s have no genuine difference of functional power other than abraker as a gmt. the soft intangible power of denizenship would be hard to meaningfully gauge beyond that though.
you need to be a denizen to run for president.ghoulybits wrote: v2x52
Denizenship is required for OT!Government roles AFAIK. I know for sure that you have to be denizen for 3 months in order to run for presidentAchromalia wrote: 5ev6p
pretty much. it's hardly more than a glorified hall of fame on the basis of recognition for subforum contribution, though i did want one thing for clarification-- does denizenship have intra-forum political relevance? if for example it was needed to apply for ot!parliament/ot!government/ot!president, then it would have much more significance than it's worthYyottaCat wrote: d3g2y
Let me point it clear here:
Denizenship doesn’t get you money.
Denizenship doesn’t mean anything in real life.
Denizenship can’t get you any more privileges.
Denizenship can’t make you become somehow above other people.
Denizenship doesn’t change anything about you.
Denizenship means literally nothing outside of a random subforum in a forum half-dead in a game most people don’t care about.
In short, denizenship is quite literally worthless.
You said that you'd make a change to the denizen process.ghoulybits wrote: v2x52
Again, I ask you, what change are you talking about?[ Sebastian ] wrote: 143do
Now that I think about. I should've never been this angry over the change. It's so small, and I won't even be able to qualify for another 6 months.
? When the hell did I say that[ Sebastian ] wrote: 143do
You said that you'd make a change to the denizen process.ghoulybits wrote: v2x52
Again, I ask you, what change are you talking about?[ Sebastian ] wrote: 143do
Now that I think about. I should've never been this angry over the change. It's so small, and I won't even be able to qualify for another 6 months.
Forget it. I'm just an idiot like always.ghoulybits wrote: v2x52
? When the hell did I say that[ Sebastian ] wrote: 143do
You said that you'd make a change to the denizen process.ghoulybits wrote: v2x52
Again, I ask you, what change are you talking about?[ Sebastian ] wrote: 143do
Now that I think about. I should've never been this angry over the change. It's so small, and I won't even be able to qualify for another 6 months.
I think he's talking about the recent changes btw, especially the revoke denizen thing and the interview that he whined about on discordghoulybits wrote: v2x52
I'm perfectly calm, I just find it incredibly hilariousPolyspora wrote: 4i695
calm down woman, its just a memeghoulybits wrote: v2x52
"new denizen system bad = women bad" do I have to remind you that I am still using Penguin's system
Manish has always been a little allergic to reading (as well as like, a solid 70% of the people on here)Polyspora wrote: 4i695
I think he's talking about the recent changes btw, especially the revoke denizen thing and the interview that he whined about on discordghoulybits wrote: v2x52
I'm perfectly calm, I just find it incredibly hilariousPolyspora wrote: 4i695
calm down woman, its just a memeghoulybits wrote: v2x52
"new denizen system bad = women bad" do I have to remind you that I am still using Penguin's system
you shouldnt expect people to read something in 2022 tbh, thats ingenuousghoulybits wrote: v2x52
Manish has always been a little allergic to reading (as well as like, a solid 70% of the people on here)Polyspora wrote: 4i695
I think he's talking about the recent changes btw, especially the revoke denizen thing and the interview that he whined about on discordghoulybits wrote: v2x52
I'm perfectly calm, I just find it incredibly hilariousPolyspora wrote: 4i695
calm down woman, its just a memeghoulybits wrote: v2x52
"new denizen system bad = women bad" do I have to remind you that I am still using Penguin's system
She needs to chill out.Polyspora wrote: 4i695
you shouldnt expect people to read something in 2022 tbh, thats ingenuousghoulybits wrote: v2x52
Manish has always been a little allergic to reading (as well as like, a solid 70% of the people on here)Polyspora wrote: 4i695
I think he's talking about the recent changes btw, especially the revoke denizen thing and the interview that he whined about on discordghoulybits wrote: v2x52
I'm perfectly calm, I just find it incredibly hilariousPolyspora wrote: 4i695
calm down woman, its just a memeghoulybits wrote: v2x52
"new denizen system bad = women bad" do I have to remind you that I am still using Penguin's system
when are we not going to be unreasonably antagonistic
because i sense myself being tempted to antagonize y'all myself, and this is hardly coalition-opposition roleplay anymore
my perspective is that ghouly has been reasonable the entire time, considering how many questions have been given answers, and the significant efforts toward actually trying to understand where we're coming from.
if there's any reason for her not seeming calm at some point, the past several hours of trying to respond and clarify, despite what i'm starting to believe to be people failing to operate in good faith, are probably it.
that in no way disqualifies or discounts the questions made in theory. in practice, though, this is... making it hard to believe this isn't just unironic and unfunny contrarianism from a point of personal vindictive bias.
idk whether to go off further, and give specifics to make into a real problem (;; = ~=)
because i sense myself being tempted to antagonize y'all myself, and this is hardly coalition-opposition roleplay anymore
my perspective is that ghouly has been reasonable the entire time, considering how many questions have been given answers, and the significant efforts toward actually trying to understand where we're coming from.
if there's any reason for her not seeming calm at some point, the past several hours of trying to respond and clarify, despite what i'm starting to believe to be people failing to operate in good faith, are probably it.
that in no way disqualifies or discounts the questions made in theory. in practice, though, this is... making it hard to believe this isn't just unironic and unfunny contrarianism from a point of personal vindictive bias.
idk whether to go off further, and give specifics to make into a real problem (;; = ~=)
To be fair, it isn't like any other member of the OT!Government is answering questions right now. Considering I'm the figurehead and all, I can't say I didn't expect it.-Remi wrote: 103k2t
What Acromalia said.
Why are we being so negative and pressuring a single person?
These things take time, I'm genuinely amazed at how professionaly ghoulybits is handling this mess.
Every time someone asks me the same question that I've answered just a couple posts up in the same thread, the urge to include a comment about sleeping with their mother in my response grows tenfold.Polyspora wrote: 4i695
its funny seeing her explaining the same thing over and over-Remi wrote: 103k2t
What Acromalia said.
Why are we being so negative and pressuring a single person?
cute love you too ghoulybits <3ghoulybits wrote: v2x52
Every time someone asks me the same question that I've answered just a couple posts up in the same thread, the urge to include a comment about sleeping with their mother in my response grows tenfold.Polyspora wrote: 4i695
its funny seeing her explaining the same thing over and over-Remi wrote: 103k2t
What Acromalia said.
Why are we being so negative and pressuring a single person?
Let me make something clear: The OT! Government controls denizenship. I used to but not anymore.[ Sebastian ] wrote: 143do
OT will turn into a hellhole if that starts happening. And considering abraker's stupid ideas, I would 100% expect him to do that.Patatitta wrote: 5t25
...problems start to surge if other people start revoking or get revoked due to not meeting the current criteria or being unhappy with the system, and we're basically 1 step away from that scenario
Dude, you are in the OT! Government. Are you sleeping under a rock?Corne2Plum3 wrote: 3y1z1p
They can revoke denizenship now?
bro trying to escapeabraker wrote: 6cx2d
Let me make something clear: The OT! Government controls denizenship. I used to but not anymore.[ Sebastian ] wrote: 143do
OT will turn into a hellhole if that starts happening. And considering abraker's stupid ideas, I would 100% expect him to do that.Patatitta wrote: 5t25
...problems start to surge if other people start revoking or get revoked due to not meeting the current criteria or being unhappy with the system, and we're basically 1 step away from that scenario
Anyway I already give up yesterday at this drama
abraker wrote: 6cx2d
Let me make something clear: The OT! Government controls denizenship. I used to but not anymore.[ Sebastian ] wrote: 143do
OT will turn into a hellhole if that starts happening. And considering abraker's stupid ideas, I would 100% expect him to do that.Patatitta wrote: 5t25
...problems start to surge if other people start revoking or get revoked due to not meeting the current criteria or being unhappy with the system, and we're basically 1 step away from that scenario
igorsprite had denizenship status revoked.Corne2Plum3 wrote: 3y1z1p
tl;dr please?
the introduction of revocable denizenship was interpreted as a scary precedent toward unfair misuse of power and extrajudicial removal of people from the list of denizens.
people turned it into an unreasonably hyperbolic avalanche of complaints and severe misunderstandings about what qualifies denizenship and what qualifies it being revoked.
ghouly tried to clarify, people began to antagonize her and unfortunately failed to sit and listen for a moment.
after establishing that revoking denizenship is done in significantly fringe cases, and that nobody else is in danger of it at the moment, we seemed to have accepted it and quieted down.
i think his denizenship is revoked due to evidence (and a ittance according to abarker) that he is a pedoAchromalia wrote: 5ev6p
igorsprite had denizenship status revoked.Corne2Plum3 wrote: 3y1z1p
tl;dr please?
the introduction of revocable denizenship was interpreted as a scary precedent toward unfair misuse of power and extrajudicial removal of people from the list of denizens.
people turned it into an unreasonably hyperbolic avalanche of complaints and severe misunderstandings about what qualifies denizenship and what qualifies it being revoked.
ghouly tried to clarify, people began to antagonize her and unfortunately failed to sit and listen for a moment.
after establishing that revoking denizenship is done in significantly fringe cases, and that nobody else is in danger of it at the moment, we seemed to have accepted it and quieted down.
Yeah, totally. People definitely read those posts too!Polyspora wrote: 4i695
I think this situation would be avoided if you guys only typed "we revoked igor denizenship because he didnt do shit and is a pedo this wont happen again my bad."
(though I do agree that there should have been more of an elaboration in the original statement)
It was between wall of texts that why some people missed it.ghoulybits wrote: v2x52
Yeah, totally. People definitely read those posts too!Polyspora wrote: 4i695
I think this situation would be avoided if you guys only typed "we revoked igor denizenship because he didnt do shit and is a pedo this wont happen again my bad."
(though I do agree that there should have been more of an elaboration in the original statement)
imma be honest there has been way too many denizen posts here i just stopped caring to read em lolghoulybits wrote: v2x52
Yeah, totally. People definitely read those posts too!Polyspora wrote: 4i695
I think this situation would be avoided if you guys only typed "we revoked igor denizenship because he didnt do shit and is a pedo this wont happen again my bad."
(though I do agree that there should have been more of an elaboration in the original statement)
yeah i'm out of this disscusion, said what I felt to shinrun in DM, if I end up getting denizen (aparrently I cant reject it) that shows that thy system is just fucked, since I do not deserve it contribution-wise, my clears on everything else are clear if you read this thread, and it doesn't seem that my is going to make it to change
NOTICE 2v66t
Despite the current turbulent mayhem and controversial decisions taken, things shall progress as they did. Today the OT! parliament has ed a vote to bestow the great title of denizen to a fellow dweller. Except the title is not great and means nothing, so- ahem. This individual’s activity is rather lackluster compared to others however their contribution is without a doubt one of a kind. Their talent and love for the OT community landed not one but two of their creations in OT’s Royal Museum of Art. Their work has captured the beginnings of 9th gen and brought many denizens together through his collabs. Give a round of applause to synthwavesquid! Oh Wait holup, I've been told they leveled up - fun stuff. Give 8x rounds of applause to octowave!
Written by ShinRun, editorialized by abraker
I like how people fear mongered each other that the Gov is gonna kick others out of denizenship because they kicked out a disgusting pedophile.
Somehow a group of people you fuckers voted in power for (in which they barely has any and didn't do much with it anyways) is more villainous and evil than a guy who's unapologetically pedophillic, posted in the Discord server and did other disgusting shits that's caused his exile.
Somehow a group of people you fuckers voted in power for (in which they barely has any and didn't do much with it anyways) is more villainous and evil than a guy who's unapologetically pedophillic, posted in the Discord server and did other disgusting shits that's caused his exile.
i can't deny that there are excellent points here, nor can that glaring spotlight on the irony be dismissed.Tad Fibonacci wrote: 476g6d
I like how people fear mongered each other that the Gov is gonna kick others out of denizenship because they kicked out a disgusting pedophile.
Somehow a group of people you fuckers voted in power for (in which they barely has any and didn't do much with it anyways) is more villainous and evil than a guy who's unapologetically pedophillic, posted in the Discord server and did other disgusting shits that's caused his exile.
though to be fair, maybe not all of them were involved in the voting process, therefore not really being capable of being held responsible for ot!government elections, as they'd likely been new at the time if my uninformed guess is correct. it also can be difficult to see things in as clear a scope as this due to how ot!government content is published in the subforum to an extent of prevalence that speaks more to the effectiveness of the roleplay in a sense.
this also isn't too dissimilar from general mechanisms of internet commentary to begin with, in that it can be difficult to differentiate the real scale of things once you're immersed, and people can grow easily agitated and vigilant through this immersion in the internet as a medium for communication, including any form of conflict. that's where we might take something personally, often venturing to do something about it-- even when it's hardly constructive-- like fearmongering about a concern.
not that this fundamentally changes anything, just a note of trivially subtle clarifying factors to consider before the dwellers of OT are held responsible.
no worries, i wouldn't hold you to anythingoctowave wrote: 602s2i
i'm trying, achrom.... -v-Achromalia wrote: 5ev6p
i can't wait until they make some foundational thread in OT that kickstarts a whole new lore arc, to celebrate their newfound denizenship
maybe, i'm just hoping for more OT shenanigans that aren't just meta issues
idk octowave can do whatever they want x'D
it's just difficult coming up with a thread idea that i think people will want to participate in
and i'm terrible at improv, so that's something i have to work around
there'll be something big someday, i just don't know what or when
if you ever plan to though, i'd say i think my start here turned out pretty similarly. it comes with time and exposure to experience with doing it yourself :>
just a game theoryghoulybits wrote: v2x52
That still wouldn't change the fact that he was clearly aware that his actions were wrong and had been given multiple different warnings, none of which he listened to.Polyspora wrote: 4i695
I was thinking, I know it doesnt make him innocent but what if igor was just trying really hard to be edgy?
Polyspora wrote: 4i695
I was thinking, I know it doesnt make him innocent but what if igor was just trying really hard to be edgy?
ghoulybits wrote: v2x52
That still wouldn't change the fact that he was clearly aware that his actions were wrong and had been given multiple different warnings, none of which he listened to.
WitherMite wrote: 4u135f
at some point it stops mattering if it was done "ironically" and is still just a fucked up thing to do/say.
much of what he's done is over that line
precisely. it would be a classic scenario of playing stupid games, winning stupid prizes. there really wouldn't be anything more to expect of it after ignoring the efforts previously described, and so the case is effectively shut, cut, and dried.
edgy and actually meaning the thing might as well be the same thing since it would be hard to tell intentWitherMite wrote: 4u135f
at some point it stops mattering if it was done "ironically" and is still just a fucked up thing to do/say.Polyspora wrote: 4i695
I was thinking, I know it doesnt make him innocent but what if igor was just trying really hard to be edgy?
much of what he's done is over that line
People are able to continue to complain if they wish, but I can't say I'll be too inclined to respond if the only complaints are either about things that we've already addressed or things that aren't true/won't happen.[ Sebastian ] wrote: 143do
It's hard to think that everyone was complaining about the OT government a few days ago. Now it seems like nobody cares.
ghoulybits wrote: v2x52
People are able to continue to complain if they wish, but I can't say I'll be too inclined to respond if the only complaints are either about things that we've already addressed or things that aren't true/won't happen.[ Sebastian ] wrote: 143do
It's hard to think that everyone was complaining about the OT government a few days ago. Now it seems like nobody cares.
Jar, get off manishh'sManishh wrote: 2k5q58
ghoulybits wrote: v2x52
People are able to continue to complain if they wish, but I can't say I'll be too inclined to respond if the only complaints are either about things that we've already addressed or things that aren't true/won't happen.[ Sebastian ] wrote: 143do
It's hard to think that everyone was complaining about the OT government a few days ago. Now it seems like nobody cares.
NOTICE 2v66t
Following the announcement of octowave’s entry as a denizen, we are back to follow up with another member. Consisting of more than 10 months wasted in OT, this member has proven their worth to claim the title of a denizen. With their iconic perfectly round head, sexy slim shape, and minimalist appearance, they have helped set the building block for the 9th generation and all the people, creatures, aliens, and abominations that dwell within it. The OT! Parliament is pleased to welcome Stomiks of the non-essential quintuplet as the third 9th generation denizen!
Written by ShinRun, editorialized by abraker