I don't really think there is anything else to learn from Penta's POV, nor do I think it would change anything really. Penta seems to sticking with the "I made a mistake" excuse, relying heavily on an appeal to emotion, which makes her more sus than before, IMO.

I don't have anything else to say and I think everyone else has said their words, so I'll go ahead and get the game on the road.

vote: Penta

Well if this isn't the end, good luck tomorrow guys!

yeah... i failed... you all wil see, it was all genuine

nothing is gonna help me here tbh

i think its better to quit the waiting and finish the job now

well it's gonna be tempting to go onto penguin if it's not penta
starting from 0 is gonna be hard given all my guts tell me penguin is playing mind games if he is scum

igorsprite wrote: 6x186x

wait the order of the votes is strange, abraker is giving the hammer vote to someone else again. and if abraker want to accuse the townie that lynched pentaqola? 🤔

what you mean by this?

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

igorsprite wrote: 6x186x

wait the order of the votes is strange, abraker is giving the hammer vote to someone else again. and if abraker want to accuse the townie that lynched pentaqola? 🤔

what you mean by this?

don't need to listen to me, but from my perspective he is assuming you are giving the hammer vote to someone else again to accuse the person who did the hammer vote.

igor is kinda skeptical for voting me because of it so... yeah

anyways, i know i'm gonna die now. i'll just be waiting for it to happen

also, i'm betting thats the perspective if i turn out to be a townie

which i know i am, but since no one would trust me anymore. i'll die with the fact i tried saving myself only to fail

pentaqola wrote: 576830

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

igorsprite wrote: 6x186x

wait the order of the votes is strange, abraker is giving the hammer vote to someone else again. and if abraker want to accuse the townie that lynched pentaqola? 🤔

what you mean by this?

don't need to listen to me, but from my perspective he is assuming you are giving the hammer vote to someone else again to accuse the person who did the hammer vote.

It's hard to accuse someone for lynching penta given that Sakura, a confirmed townie and an experienced player, justified the lynching. It make sense townies who dont know what to think would follow what a more experienced player has decided. That said, it doesn't excuse more experienced players like Penguin, and the reason he provided for his lynch is understandable.

pentaqola wrote: 576830

which i know i am, but since no one would trust me anymore. i'll die with the fact i tried saving myself only to fail

Never got the point of these - it's as if begging to undo vote, which you cant because that's how the game works.

Well, i tried.
Hopefully some of the things i brought to light help for tomorrow.

Penguin wrote: 2n5p3w

I don't really think there is anything else to learn from Penta's POV, nor do I think it would change anything really. Penta seems to sticking with the "I made a mistake" excuse, relying heavily on an appeal to emotion, which makes her more sus than before, IMO.

Although I have to wonder, how's Penta's appeal to emotion different from Bambinex's, granted Bambinex didn't give as much time to display those emotions?

Penguin wrote: 2n5p3w

I don't really think there is anything else to learn from Penta's POV, nor do I think it would change anything really. Penta seems to sticking with the "I made a mistake" excuse, relying heavily on an appeal to emotion, which makes her more sus than before, IMO.

I don't have anything else to say and I think everyone else has said their words, so I'll go ahead and get the game on the road.

vote: Penta

nooo ;.; i was waiting abraker's response before voting for pentaqola

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

It's hard to accuse someone for lynching penta given that Sakura, a confirmed townie and an experienced player, justified the lynching. It make sense townies who dont know what to think would follow what a more experienced player has decided. That said, it doesn't excuse more experienced players like Penguin, and the reason he provided for his lynch is understandable.

is it still hard for an experienced player? i have my doubts >.>

can we try to discuss while pentaqola and sakura are still alive? now we are sure that pentaqola isn't a scum

Well I asked Penguin a question that I am still waiting an answer to: community/forums/posts/8077570

Day 3 ends.

pentaqola was tied to a pole and burnt to death as indifferent townies watched.

pentaqola was a Townie.

Night 3 starts.

Night 3 ends at May 8th, 14:02 GMT.

Day 4 starts.

As everyone expected, Sakura was found dead.

Sakura was a Town Tracker.

Day 4 ends at May 15th, 14:27 (GMT)

Alright to start from 0 here is what I'm thinking:

- Igor will come up with things that point toward penguin being scum, I will come up with things that point toward penguin being town

- I will come up with things that point toward Igor being town, Penguin will come up with things things that point Igor toward being scum

- Igor will come up with things that point me to being scum, penguin will come up with things that point me to being town

If anyone wants to do the opposite, say so. We will do this in three stages: first on penguin, the igor, then me. If you dont like that order, say so.

And no matter what happens today, : Scum will never vote first. It's better for them to wait a townie to make 1 mistake vote and then do a quick hammer vote to win.

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

- Igor will come up with things that point toward penguin being scum, I will come up with things that point toward penguin being town

i have nothing to sus penguin, also we had the same thoughts on day 3

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

And no matter what happens today, : Scum will never vote first. It's better for them to wait a townie to make 1 mistake vote and then do a quick hammer vote to win.

and again you came with this idea, but what happens if the scum vote first or a townie vote for the scum?

igorsprite wrote: 6x186x

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

And no matter what happens today, : Scum will never vote first. It's better for them to wait a townie to make 1 mistake vote and then do a quick hammer vote to win.

and again you came with this idea, but what happens if the scum vote first or a townie vote for the scum?

Scum wont vote first unless the vote has been decided beforehand. Otherwise they will vote while town should be hesitant in doing so. This is will make it harder for them. If townie votes for scum first we will see a similar thing happen. This will narrow down the possibilities to either the one being voted is scum or the voter being scum, which basically clears the 3rd person. Scum would want to avoid clearing a person if possible.

igorsprite wrote: 6x186x

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

- Igor will come up with things that point toward penguin being scum, I will come up with things that point toward penguin being town

i have nothing to sus penguin, also we had the same thoughts on day 3

The point is to start from 0, as Sakura said. So if you have nothing to sus Penguin, forget the reasons and find reasons to sus him. Meanwhile I'll find things to clear him. We'll compare, and then let Penguin have a say and come down to a verdict. Then comes either me or you, and then the ultimate verdict.

And I chose you to find reasons to sus him and me to clear him because I know you think he is town and I think he is scum. I chose opposite of what we both think so we can work against what we thing we know.

i will wait penguin say something before following your plan, abraker. i don't trust you >.>

Yea I'm waiting on penguin too. The fact you don't trust me with this plan means you think this somehow can benefit scum. Maybe we can discuss why you think that while we wait for penguin?

idk, the way you talk is manipulative and that thing about votes, i guess you only said that to make us afraid of voting

igorsprite wrote: 6x186x

idk, the way you talk is manipulative and that thing about votes, i guess you only said that to make us afraid of voting

If you can't figure out why what I said is true, then you will make a mistake vote eventually. I suggest you try and see how what I said is true. Specifically this:
"If townie votes for scum first we will see a similar thing happen. This will narrow down the possibilities to either the one being voted is scum or the voter being scum, which basically clears the 3rd person."

If you realize this is true, then you would say what you have said

"If you realize this is true, then you wouldn't say what you have said"

That statement is not speculative nor an opinion. It's logical and the truth. Use some thinking to see why it's true.

so... the chance of the game not ending after the first vote is 66,6% ?

igorsprite wrote: 6x186x

so... the chance of the game not ending after the first vote is 66,6% ?

Wrong, if you vote it's 50/50 - cause you have to exclude yourself, leaving the choice being between 2 other players.

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Alright to start from 0 here is what I'm thinking:

- Igor will come up with things that point toward penguin being scum, I will come up with things that point toward penguin being town

- I will come up with things that point toward Igor being town, Penguin will come up with things things that point Igor toward being scum

- Igor will come up with things that point me to being scum, penguin will come up with things that point me to being town

If anyone wants to do the opposite, say so. We will do this in three stages: first on penguin, the igor, then me. If you dont like that order, say so.

abraker: determine igor town. determine penguin town.
Igor: determine Penguin sus
Penguin: determine Igor sus

This is such a shitty plan. Why would we just let you control the narrative by having you and you alone determine things that make Igor and myself town? In this plan, you're making me and Igor go against each other while you sit back and "determine" which one of us is town. This plan gives total control to yourself.

Honestly, you've manufactured two plans so far that have been complete shit, which benefit you more than anyone else.

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

And no matter what happens today, : Scum will never vote first. It's better for them to wait a townie to make 1 mistake vote and then do a quick hammer vote to win.

This is not true. If scum feels very confident that they can get the other townie to vote with them, then why wouldn't they vote first? Sure, the scum can also just wait and see if the two townies go against each other (like what you're doing with your plan) then vote with whichever votes first, but that's not a guarantee. I don't know why you think that scum would NEVER vote first.

Also, abraker, I have no idea why you think that I am scum. Even you pointed out in this post here that you had no idea why I would be doing certain things if I were scum.

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

I need to come to that igor may have legit town slipped, which means it's between penta and penguin. Penguin seems to be overlooking a few key things, and denied even the Pararunten town slip I mentioned. He has locked and pushed on to me, dismissing evidence that I might be working in town's interest.

The one thing have yet to figure out how penguin's sudden focus on me makes sense if he is scum. I was convinced it was igor, and he could have simply went with the flow, had igor lynched, and get victory. That part I don't get at all. How hard would it have been to convince Penta to lynch igor? How hard would it have been for igor to convince me he is town?

The plan I had was flawed from the beginning, and I did not expect the fallout to be like it happened. I think Scum actually had a golden opportunity to role claim tracker at one point, but they hadn't. Was it fear that they thought the tracker wasn't afk? Or is because they were to inexperienced and didn't know to role claim?

Given all that I leaning toward Penta right now. I'd like to believe Penguin would act more logical, but he is making mistakes both as scum and town. It would make sense if scum was someone inexperienced, someone who did not know what proper actions to take. I also have no clue why sacrifice a scum special role so early - it must have been a legit AWOL moment.

Then suddenly, you flipped onto me for no real reason. You've given no reasons as to why you believe I am scum, nor have you given good reasons as to why you think I'm acting illogically. IMO, you were forced to put sus onto me since Igor was essentially confirmed at the time due to a townslip (according to Sakura) and there was noone else to sus besides me and Penta.

Now that the new day has begun, you're trying to get Igor and myself to go against each other while you decide which townie would be the easiest to side with.

Penguin wrote: 2n5p3w

abraker: determine igor town. determine penguin town.
Igor: determine Penguin sus
Penguin: determine Igor sus

This is such a shitty plan. Why would we just let you control the narrative by having you and you alone determine things that make Igor and myself town? In this plan, you're making me and Igor go against each other while you sit back and "determine" which one of us is town. This plan gives total control to yourself.

Honestly, you've manufactured two plans so far that have been complete shit, which benefit you more than anyone else.

As As I said,
[quote=abraker]If anyone wants to do the opposite, say so. We will do this in three stages: first on penguin, the igor, then me. If you dont like that order, say so.No matter what, it's important that we start from 0 and look at facts. This is an attempt to do it in a controlled way.

Penguin wrote: 2n5p3w

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Alright to start from 0 here is what I'm thinking:

- Igor will come up with things that point toward penguin being scum, I will come up with things that point toward penguin being town

- I will come up with things that point toward Igor being town, Penguin will come up with things things that point Igor toward being scum

- Igor will come up with things that point me to being scum, penguin will come up with things that point me to being town

If anyone wants to do the opposite, say so. We will do this in three stages: first on penguin, the igor, then me. If you dont like that order, say so.

abraker: determine igor town. determine penguin town.
Igor: determine Penguin sus
Penguin: determine Igor sus

This is such a shitty plan. Why would we just let you control the narrative by having you and you alone determine things that make Igor and myself town? In this plan, you're making me and Igor go against each other while you sit back and "determine" which one of us is town. This plan gives total control to yourself.

Honestly, you've manufactured two plans so far that have been complete shit, which benefit you more than anyone else.

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

And no matter what happens today, : Scum will never vote first. It's better for them to wait a townie to make 1 mistake vote and then do a quick hammer vote to win.

This is not true. If scum feels very confident that they can get the other townie to vote with them, then why wouldn't they vote first? Sure, the scum can also just wait and see if the two townies go against each other (like what you're doing with your plan) then vote with whichever votes first, but that's not a guarantee. I don't know why you think that scum would NEVER vote first.

Note you said "If scum feels very confident that they can get the other townie to vote with them", as I said:

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Scum wont vote first unless the vote has been decided beforehand

Penguin wrote: 2n5p3w

Also, abraker, I have no idea why you think that I am scum. Even you pointed out in this post here that you had no idea why I would be doing certain things if I were scum.

Which means you want me to suspect Igor is scum? @Igor how do you feel about this?

Penguin wrote: 2n5p3w

Then suddenly, you flipped onto me for no real reason. You've given no reasons as to why you believe I am scum, nor have you given good reasons as to why you think I'm acting illogically.[/quote]Instead of complaining that I suspect you, why don't we start from 0 by going with the plan to figure out who to suspect?

Making 2nd post to fix broken formatting

Penguin wrote: 2n5p3w

abraker: determine igor town. determine penguin town.
Igor: determine Penguin sus
Penguin: determine Igor sus

This is such a shitty plan. Why would we just let you control the narrative by having you and you alone determine things that make Igor and myself town? In this plan, you're making me and Igor go against each other while you sit back and "determine" which one of us is town. This plan gives total control to yourself.

Honestly, you've manufactured two plans so far that have been complete shit, which benefit you more than anyone else.

As I said,

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

If anyone wants to do the opposite, say so. We will do this in three stages: first on penguin, the igor, then me. If you dont like that order, say so.

No matter what, it's important that we start from 0 and look at facts. This is an attempt to do it in a controlled way.

Penguin wrote: 2n5p3w

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

And no matter what happens today, : Scum will never vote first. It's better for them to wait a townie to make 1 mistake vote and then do a quick hammer vote to win.

This is not true. If scum feels very confident that they can get the other townie to vote with them, then why wouldn't they vote first? Sure, the scum can also just wait and see if the two townies go against each other (like what you're doing with your plan) then vote with whichever votes first, but that's not a guarantee. I don't know why you think that scum would NEVER vote first.

Note you said "If scum feels very confident that they can get the other townie to vote with them", as I said:

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Scum wont vote first unless the vote has been decided beforehand

.

Penguin wrote: 2n5p3w

Also, abraker, I have no idea why you think that I am scum. Even you pointed out in this post here that you had no idea why I would be doing certain things if I were scum.

Which means you want me to suspect Igor is scum? @Igor how do you feel about this?

Penguin wrote: 2n5p3w

Then suddenly, you flipped onto me for no real reason. You've given no reasons as to why you believe I am scum, nor have you given good reasons as to why you think I'm acting illogically.

Instead of complaining that I suspect you, why don't we start from 0 by going with the plan to figure out who to suspect?

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Penguin wrote: 2n5p3w

Also, abraker, I have no idea why you think that I am scum. Even you pointed out in this post here that you had no idea why I would be doing certain things if I were scum.

Which means you want me to suspect Igor is scum? @Igor how do you feel about this?

Lmao, it is not my intention to get you to flip your sus onto Igor. You trying to blame me of doing such a thing is silly. I was simply pointing out how you don't have a real basis for putting suspicion on me, which makes you even more suspicious in my eyes.

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Penguin wrote: 2n5p3w

Then suddenly, you flipped onto me for no real reason. You've given no reasons as to why you believe I am scum, nor have you given good reasons as to why you think I'm acting illogically.

Instead of complaining that I suspect you, why don't we start from 0 by going with the plan to figure out who to suspect?

Instead of assuming I'm complaining, how about you explain to me your reasons for finding me suspicious. You still haven't answered my question about how I'm acting illogically or why you suspect me.

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

No matter what, it's important that we start from 0 and look at facts. This is an attempt to do it in a controlled way.

A way that gives you full control..

and obviously, you would add a small note like this-

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

As I said,

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

If anyone wants to do the opposite, say so. We will do this in three stages: first on penguin, the igor, then me. If you dont like that order, say so.

-as a precaution, that way you can refer back to it so that your "plan" doesn't blow up in your face like your previous one if we were to disagree again.

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Penguin wrote: 2n5p3w

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

And no matter what happens today, : Scum will never vote first. It's better for them to wait a townie to make 1 mistake vote and then do a quick hammer vote to win.

This is not true. If scum feels very confident that they can get the other townie to vote with them, then why wouldn't they vote first? Sure, the scum can also just wait and see if the two townies go against each other (like what you're doing with your plan) then vote with whichever votes first, but that's not a guarantee. I don't know why you think that scum would NEVER vote first.

Note you said "If scum feels very confident that they can get the other townie to vote with them", as I said:

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Scum wont vote first unless the vote has been decided beforehand

Okay, so what was the point of you saying that the scum will NEVER vote first, if you then contradict yourself in your following post by saying that they will under certain situations?

@Igor do you want to start from 0 like Sakura wanted or do you want us to skip all that and let me and Penguin to duke it out?

I don't think Penguin is going to let us solve who is scum in orderly fashion at this rate. And honestly statements like

Penguin wrote: 2n5p3w

Okay, so what was the point of you saying that the scum will NEVER vote first, if you then contradict yourself in your following post by saying that they will under certain situations?

Just rub me the wrong way because you should know what I meant, but he is twisting it to make it look like I am contradicting myself.

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

@Igor do you want to start from 0 like Sakura wanted or do you want us to skip all that and let me and Penguin to duke it out?

I never said that I'm not willing to look back at everything starting from day 0, but I still have questions for you and I'm not going to let things that I see as suspicious slide by me so easily. Also, there is no way in hell that we are doing it like how you laid out in your "plan".

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

I don't think Penguin is going to let us solve who is scum in orderly fashion at this rate. And honestly statements like

Penguin wrote: 2n5p3w

Okay, so what was the point of you saying that the scum will NEVER vote first, if you then contradict yourself in your following post by saying that they will under certain situations?

Just rub me the wrong way because you should know what I meant, but he is twisting it to make it look like I am contradicting myself.

I am just trying to figure out what you meant. We have an entire week until we need to make a decision, why do you think I am unwilling to cooperate? Me asking a few questions / making a few statements in the first few hours of the beginning of a day does not mean that I am going to impede the process of finding out who is mafia.

Also, you still refuse to answer my questions:

Penguin wrote: 2n5p3w

Instead of assuming I'm complaining, how about you explain to me your reasons for finding me suspicious. You still haven't answered my question about how I'm acting illogically or why you suspect me.

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Penguin wrote: 2n5p3w

Also, abraker, I have no idea why you think that I am scum. Even you pointed out in this post here that you had no idea why I would be doing certain things if I were scum.

Which means you want me to suspect Igor is scum? @Igor how do you feel about this?

normal? i don't trust you, but i'm not 100% confident that penguin is a townie, that is why i didn't vote already.

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

@Igor do you want to start from 0 like Sakura wanted or do you want us to skip all that and let me and Penguin to duke it out?

idk, it's strange ask for cooperation when we have a scum among us.

Penguin wrote: 2n5p3w

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

@Igor do you want to start from 0 like Sakura wanted or do you want us to skip all that and let me and Penguin to duke it out?

I never said that I'm not willing to look back at everything starting from day 0, but I still have questions for you and I'm not going to let things that I see as suspicious slide by me so easily. Also, there is no way in hell that we are doing it like how you laid out in your "plan".

Then let's start from 0 and have those questions answered when they come up. Otherwise we will be stuck perpetually going back and forth between each other. How do you want to do it then?

Penguin wrote: 2n5p3w

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

I don't think Penguin is going to let us solve who is scum in orderly fashion at this rate. And honestly statements like

Penguin wrote: 2n5p3w

Okay, so what was the point of you saying that the scum will NEVER vote first, if you then contradict yourself in your following post by saying that they will under certain situations?

Just rub me the wrong way because you should know what I meant, but he is twisting it to make it look like I am contradicting myself.

I am just trying to figure out what you meant. We have an entire week until we need to make a decision, why do you think I am unwilling to cooperate? Me asking a few questions / making a few statements in the first few hours of the beginning of a day does not mean that I am going to impede the process of finding out who is mafia.

I want a focused effort. No side tracking into a feud between two experienced players. When the time comes for me to explain those actions I will.

igorsprite wrote: 6x186x

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

@Igor do you want to start from 0 like Sakura wanted or do you want us to skip all that and let me and Penguin to duke it out?

idk, it's strange ask for cooperation when we have a scum among us.

I am like 95% sure you are town and pretty sure I can vote Penguin and the game will still continue. But in the slight chance you are scum I do not want to take that risk and go over the last 450 posts properly, starting with no assumptions and neutral reads, and building it up from there.

@Penguin I won't be answering any questions right now. Let's start from 0 however you want to.

Alright since Penguin is not going to cooperate with the original plan, I'll post a player analysis instead. Feel free to point out whatever does not make sense. First up, Igor.



Igor analysis:

community/forums/posts/8065349
"my guesses are:..."

town slip or excellent scum move - mafia knows there are 2 scum

community/forums/posts/8065349
"@pentaqola, i need you to give your role, because if you say that you aren't the town cop, sugar_owo will be"

town - If Cleaveland would have found the special town role, he would have told it to Igor via day chat. At this point in time we do not know the game setup, which means nobody knows if special town role is tracker or cop. I don't believe Igor to be experienced, careful, or aware enough to change "tracker" to "cop" in the post. Otherwise somebody would question how they knew it was tracker in that point of time.

community/forums/posts/8065349
"now abraker is sacrificing his partner, that is why ClevelandsMyBro voted for himself."

scum - knowledge of partner sacrificing tactics implies the use of them is not off the table

community/forums/posts/8065714
"2x7 is too easy ._."

town slip tier - mafia knows there are 2 scum. The added "._." coupled with Igor's experienced heavily suggests that was a legitimate emotional response to not understanding the game's setup.

community/forums/posts/8066112
"@abraker but if is really happening a big brain plan behind all of this, the only 2 capable of this will be you or penguin."

town or really good scum move - Acknowledges he is too inexperienced to make use of mind tricks. Then again if he is master mind, that's a good way to ward of suspicion.

community/forums/posts/8066297
"after reading the wiki, i think we are playing this setup:

neutral - Using public knowledge, displays moderate experience in using that info to make a point. Does not suggest anything specific, but rather a slightly more expanded list of things that might be on the table, whatever they are.

community/forums/posts/8070023
"i'm not the town tracker"

town - didn't role claim afk role. We did not know if afk role would have been filled in at that point in time, so it was a golden opportunity for scum to claim it in order to clear their name. Therefore not seizing this opportunity not scum like.

community/forums/posts/8070288
"but doing dumb things is a smart move to you because it's something you wouldn't do."

scum - Acknowledges mind tricks might be at play. This makes it likely a good guess that he is using mindtricks as scum himself

community/forums/posts/8071551
"i think abraker didn't expect someone replacing sugar_owo"


town - Looking into cause of player's actions

community/forums/posts/8073138
"2/3? only yhuan didn't vote for bambinex 🤔"


town - Points out potential fallacy in statement

community/forums/posts/8073305
"retract the vote after bambinex had enough votes to be lynched doesn't make no one less suspect."


town - logical reasoning

community/forums/posts/8073643
"i still think that abraker is more sus than penguin, but i started to sus pentaqola too"


town - reconsidering reads after new info

community/forums/posts/8074460
"I never played mafia, i thought it would be something like among us ..."

anti-town - experience that may allow to fake townie role

community/forums/posts/8074460
...

town - provides legitimate explanations for actions

community/forums/posts/8074477
...

town - provides legitimate explanations for actions

community/forums/posts/8074497
...

town - provides legitimate explanations for actions

community/forums/posts/8074966
"i will wait pentaqola say something about it, i sus her but i can't believe that abraker isn't a scum ._."

town - suspects player, but wants to hear another player before deciding verdict

community/forums/posts/8076244
...

town - trying to make sense of the situation to make an informed decision

community/forums/posts/8076266
...

anti-scum - bringing attention of something suspicious going on

community/forums/posts/8078152
...

town - complaining that vote had decided before getting response to reach verdict

Minor corrections to be made:
First what the town, anti-town, anti-scum, scum stuff mean:


^ It may have been possible that Cleaveland did not find tracker role. With that factored in I think it's more scum leaning, not full on scum, but def anti-town. I don't think town should focus on figuring out special townie roles that early in the game. It's not like Penta or Sugar was about to be lynched either, so there was really no point in figuring out who had the special role. Figure out who has special role is like painting them a target for night kill.

^ This should be anti-scum and not town. It's not something you expect scum to do, but also isn't telling of town.

i'm sorry abraker ;.; , i was trying to ignore you because the way you talk is suspect, but then you do all this analysis.

i will try to do an analysis too, but idk if it will be good.

ok, idk how to do an analysis @.@

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Penguin wrote: 2n5p3w

ClevelandsMyBro wrote: 58np

YyottaCat wrote: d3g2y

ClevelandsMyBro has been prodded. No response in 24 hours will cause a replacement.

wtf is this shit?

if you don't participate you will get kicked. start talking, answer for your crimes. i know you're scum, don't lie to me, boy.

@penguin how did you know that cleveland was a scum? O.o

@abraker i was hard suspecting you because the way you talk is strange, sakura hard suspected you, penguin never hard suspected me and penguin agreed with everything that i said at day 3.

but if penguin manipulated me all this time?

igorsprite wrote: 6x186x

ok, idk how to do an analysis @.@

Go over statements and mark them as town, scum, not helping town, or not helping scum. Include reasoning why you marked them as that. That's all.

igorsprite wrote: 6x186x

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Penguin wrote: 2n5p3w

ClevelandsMyBro wrote: 58np

YyottaCat wrote: d3g2y

ClevelandsMyBro has been prodded. No response in 24 hours will cause a replacement.

wtf is this shit?

if you don't participate you will get kicked. start talking, answer for your crimes. i know you're scum, don't lie to me, boy.

@penguin how did you know that cleveland was a scum? O.o

You might be tempted to use this as evidence of penguin singling out his scumbudy, but honestly any town could have said that as part of day 1 randomness. Penguin could have also named another person. Rule of thumb: Day 1 rarely contains any useful decision related info.

You first have to think about why they said what they said before jumping to conclusions.

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

igorsprite wrote: 6x186x

ok, idk how to do an analysis @.@

Go over statements and mark them as town, scum, not helping town, or not helping scum. Include reasoning why you marked them as that. That's all.

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Well if you not going to do that I guess I'll need to wait for penguin to respond.

@Penguin give thoughts on my analysis on Igor. After we decide whether he is scum or town do an analysis on me.

igorsprite wrote: 6x186x

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Penguin wrote: 2n5p3w

ClevelandsMyBro wrote: 58np

YyottaCat wrote: d3g2y

ClevelandsMyBro has been prodded. No response in 24 hours will cause a replacement.

wtf is this shit?

if you don't participate you will get kicked. start talking, answer for your crimes. i know you're scum, don't lie to me, boy.

@penguin how did you know that cleveland was a scum? O.o

I didn't lol. Don't look too hard into a random bullshit statement I made that coincidentally was true in the end. It was just a random accusation to see how he reacted to me.

@abraker, I believe that you're attributing a lot of NAI information as actual reads.

igorsprite wrote: 6x186x

i'm sorry abraker ;.; , i was trying to ignore you because the way you talk is suspect, but then you do all this analysis.

i will try to do an analysis too, but idk if it will be good.

You need to that just because he does this "analysis" doesn't make him a townie. Like I said before, I believe that he is trying to control the narrative with his "analysis", by giving us information that benefits himself as a scum. I pointed out at the beginning of today that his plans always seem to benefit himself more than anyone else. He has pitted us against each other because he knew that we both suspected him at the start of today. He wants to distract us away from suspecting him and wants us to go against each other.

Figuring out who is scum in "an orderly fashion" gives full control to abraker, since he is the one who is doing all the "analysis". That is why he refuses to answer my simple questions. I'm not refusing to engage in analysis like Sakura wanted us to do, but there is no reason why abraker can't answer my questions first. Abraker figured out that he can use Sakura's plan to benefit himself as a scum.

The reason that I am pushing so hard against abraker is due to my previous suspicions on him, along with the fact that I believe that Igor is a townie due to his town slips and his general town play, which means that it HAS to be abraker. There will always be a lingering fear that Igor has been scum all along, but at this point in the game, everything points towards abraker being scum and Igor being town.

Penguin wrote: 2n5p3w

@abraker, I believe that you're attributing a lot of NAI information as actual reads.

You need to go into more detail. Which specific things are NAI information?

Penguin wrote: 2n5p3w

You need to that just because he does this "analysis" doesn't make him a townie.

This is correct, it doesn't

Penguin wrote: 2n5p3w

Like I said before, I believe that he is trying to control the narrative with his "analysis", by giving us information that benefits himself as a scum. I pointed out at the beginning of today that his plans always seem to benefit himself more than anyone else. He has pitted us against each other because he knew that we both suspected him at the start of today. He wants to distract us away from suspecting him and wants us to go against each other.

This has as much truth as me saying, "Penguin is trying to control the narrative by trying not to follow along what Sakura said we should do." Does it really help in figuring out who's scum? No. Does it try to make one person appear less trustworthy and another appear more trustworthy? Yes.

Penguin wrote: 2n5p3w

Figuring out who is scum in "an orderly fashion" gives full control to abraker, since he is the one who is doing all the "analysis". That is why he refuses to answer my simple questions. I'm not refusing to engage in analysis like Sakura wanted us to do, but there is no reason why abraker can't answer my questions first. Abraker figured out that he can use Sakura's plan to benefit himself as a scum.

I was avoiding answering questions because I wanted to clear Igor first.

Penguin wrote: 2n5p3w

The reason that I am pushing so hard against abraker is due to my previous suspicions on him, along with the fact that I believe that Igor is a townie due to his town slips and his general town play, which means that it HAS to be abraker. There will always be a lingering fear that Igor has been scum all along, but at this point in the game, everything points towards abraker being scum and Igor being town.

Since we both can agree Igor is town, next please come up with an analysis on me.

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@Igor, since we are both clearing you as town you are taking on a critical role here. You are going to act as the judge between us because at the end, your vote is all that matters at this point. You have all reason to believe both of us are trying to miniplate you. You can't really manipulate facts, however. If you believe someone said something without reason or is just false, point it out.

Keep in mind it is in scum's best interest not to follow anything logical. That's the only thing that can tell truth from falsity. Doing so puts scum into a very tough spot because it can be very likely a conclusion would be found that proves they are scum. This why even if I am "controlling the narrative", it cannot be anti-town to analyze players from an objective lens. If Penguin doesn't want to do that much, it will be very telling who's side he is on.

Town-like behavior is not to try and push scum on a specific person due to something they did. You have to lay out all the reasons that they might be town and all reasons they might be scum like I did with you. Your analysis was overwhelmingly town. If I missed something scum like, Penguin should have said so.

Now all that said Penguin's behavior worries me. Scum try to control the narrative and try to divert away from logic and reason, and prefer to speculation as proof. Penguin is currently pushing me to answer questions rather hastily without agreeing to look at things from an objective lens. Pushing me even though I said he will get his shot to ask those questions. Even if he is town, given all what I just said, these actions are very anti-town.

While you are thinking things over keep asking yourself this: Among everything we say above, who speaks more truth than speculation?

@Igor, also notice this

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Penguin wrote: 2n5p3w

@abraker, I believe that you're attributing a lot of NAI information as actual reads.

You need to go into more detail. Which specific things are NAI information?

Penguin wrote: 2n5p3w

The reason that I am pushing so hard against abraker is due to my previous suspicions on him, along with the fact that I believe that Igor is a townie due to his town slips and his general town play, which means that it HAS to be abraker.

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Town-like behavior is not to try and push scum on a specific person due to something they did. You have to lay out all the reasons that they might be town and all reasons they might be scum like I did with you. Your analysis was overwhelmingly town. If I missed something scum like, Penguin should have said so.

1. If Penguin says I making reads based on NAI information, then some or lot of the analysis can be wrong
2. Penguin still says your are town
3. I believe you are town too
4. Despite analysis being potentially wrong, I still clear you

How does this make sense? Try to figure it out without looking in spoiler.

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Either that or Penguin is the worst townie I have ever played a game with.

xd

vote: abraker

gl igor

Penguin wrote: 2n5p3w

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Either that or Penguin is the worst townie I have ever played a game with.

xd

vote: abraker

gl igor

wp igor if you end up being scum

aaaa you guys only vote when i'm sleeping, i will think about it later because i'm not at home now

The fact that Igor hasn't voted yet confirms that he is town. He would have jumped on that hammer vote the instant he saw it. Or he is just toying with his food xd

Can someone ping me when the next game starts pls. I wanna play too.

Tad Fibonacci wrote: 476g6d

Can someone ping me when the next game starts pls. I wanna play too.

Bamb's game has been waiting for a player for about a month now I think, maybe try that instead?

Also, I just want to sort this out real quick before abraker tries to use it as evidence against me any further than he has already tried..

I truly do believe that a lot of the "town" reads you have on Igor are NAI. The reason I pointed it out even though I believe that Igor is a town, is because I believe that you are attributing NAI as townreads to further spin your narrative. I believe that you are going to start pinning some NAI stuff that I've said against me as if it's scum behavior when in reality, it's NAI. Same thing with you if you analyze your own posts. You'll just point out random stuff as "town" even when it doesn't mean shit. Since Igor is fairly inexperienced in this game, he is likely to eat that shit up and believe that your fake reads are factual.

Penguin wrote: 2n5p3w

Since Igor is fairly inexperienced in this game, he is likely to eat that shit up and believe that your fake reads are factual.

Well same goes to anything you say to make my efforts at proving which one of us is scum illegitimate.

And ofc you did not explain which reads are NAI and why. And ofc you did not proceed to make analysis on me. Afterall, why would scum want to use logic reasoning?

If I were to analyze my own posts or you yours because ofc it's going to be biased toward town. And ofc both going to be biased toward scum if we analyze each other.

Still you should come up with an analysis for me. I'll come up with an analysis for you later in the day.

Vote: Penguin

It's all up to you, Igor. Vote only when you are sure which one of us is scum. We will continue to debate in an effort to convince you.

@ClevelandsMyBro are you seeing this? we won.


Vote: Penguin

bruh

Penguin wrote: 2n5p3w

bruh

top 10 bruh moments

wow you guys got baited, i wouldn't have made it this far though

I fucking knew it

bambinex wrote: 4c1o3r

I fucking knew it

that is why you died :^)

i'm willing to bet that abraker and penguin just hate each other that much

THE GAME ENDS.

Penguin was shot by the executioner.

Penguin was a Townie.

Igorsprite chants as abraker runs of in terror. However, the effort was not to be of any use. Igorsprite caught abraker, making him the last victim of the game.

MAFIA WINS.

You thought it was 1/2 chance when in the end you've townread the wrong person the whole time.

WAIT I WAS RIGHT?!

GOD FUCKING I WASN'T DELUSIONAL THEN

Penguin I'm gonna make you into a pretzel

In all my time playing mafia never have a seen a townie act as horrendously executed as yours. If I were to give you a letter grade on how well you did it'd be a Z. An afk townie plays better than whatever that was. If you play any more games you shouldn't be surprised if you are lynched on day 1 - just so you wouldn't have the chance to sabotage the game. It was THAT bad.

lol assbeaker salty get rekt

Penguin wrote: 2n5p3w

lol assbeaker salty get rekt

bruh we are all rekt

congrats igor, you made everyone believe you and even made me look like a fool to myself

man I didn't get to in the fun

i knew it

The game where Sakura managed to get the most townread person voted out and get the last scum lock town.
Yup it was a game with Sakura in it alright.
/flee

Not that penguin's tunnel vision helped any...

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

Penguin I'm gonna make you into a pretzel

In all my time playing mafia never have a seen a townie act as horrendously executed as yours. If I were to give you a letter grade on how well you did it'd be a Z. An afk townie plays better than whatever that was. If you play any more games you shouldn't be surprised if you are lynched on day 1 - just so you wouldn't have the chance to sabotage the game. It was THAT bad.

Seriously tho abraker, everyone made mistakes. Penguin wasnt even that bad, he just had a severe case of tunnel vision, i eliminated the most townread non confirmed townie and managed to lock town last scum, and you after resetting decided to call 90% of the last scum's ISO town.

What happened D1 shouldn't have happened tho, people barely discussed and flash lynched someone.

Also im still bad at reading newbies too, which is why i didnt immediately this game or replace in at an earlier time.

Funny thing is there were no private topics either.
When i found that out i realized a lot of things i took for granted had a way lesser impact.

Severe case of tunnel vision is an understatement.

Penguin, maybe you want to give us insight on what really happened here?

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

Funny thing is there were no private topics either.
When i found that out i realized a lot of things i took for granted had a way lesser impact.

You mean the quick forums for mafia other games had?

Yeah, mod didnt give me a dead quicktopic coz they didnt know it was a thing.

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

Yeah, mod didnt give me a dead quicktopic coz they didnt know it was a thing.

I knew it was a thing but I can't even access that website.