RoseusJaeger wrote: x175n

i have to wait until June for my tax refund and its getting tedious waiting

Jesus what the fuck did you do.

Did you file taxes at the last minute and get an audit?

I was audited and my taxes still came pretty fast... then again, ya boy did her taxes in February

Hika wrote: 2p2929

RoseusJaeger wrote: x175n

i have to wait until June for my tax refund and its getting tedious waiting

Jesus what the fuck did you do.

Did you file taxes at the last minute and get an audit?

I was audited and my taxes still came pretty fast... then again, ya boy did her taxes in February

Death in the family and their earnings go to me since im next of kin

Note: I did my taxes in February as well

RoseusJaeger wrote: x175n

i have to wait until June for my tax refund and its getting tedious waiting

Can somebody please censor this guy's avatar? I contracted AIDS merely by looking at it, so other s are at risk as well.

Homosexuality is WRONG.

hi wrong im right

>paying taxes

*triggered*

Meah wrote: f4f5b

Now this is not funny.

nor interesting

Sync wrote: b3o4g

RoseusJaeger wrote: x175n

i have to wait until June for my tax refund and its getting tedious waiting

Can somebody please censor this guy's avatar? I contracted AIDS merely by looking at it, so other s are at risk as well.

Homosexuality is WRONG.

Too bad, this forum is a disease in the first place. You brought it upon yourself :^)

B1rd wrote: 4w393k

>paying taxes

*triggered*

:thinking:

there is where we intended to go but here we are there and where are we

B1rd wrote: 4w393k

>paying taxes

*triggered*

it warms my heart that the 30% the gubment takes from me goes to programs like GED classes in prison so Tyrael can learn fractions at age 24

and type two diabetes medication for our obese children

Sync wrote: b3o4g

B1rd wrote: 4w393k

>paying taxes

*triggered*

it warms my heart that the 30% the gubment takes from me goes to programs like GED classes in prison so Tyrael can learn fractions at age 24

and type two diabetes medication for our obese children

There needs to be more preventative measures so this shit doesn't happen as much.

who died

Railey2 wrote: 6a2u27

who died

My dad

premature deaths are awful. My condolences

can we just skip straight to June please

i want to play games all day and feel like a useless waste of oxygen again

Railey2 wrote: 6a2u27

premature deaths are awful. My condolences

yeah, it was unexpected

Sync wrote: b3o4g

B1rd wrote: 4w393k

>paying taxes

*triggered*

it warms my heart that the 30% the gubment takes from me goes to programs like GED classes in prison so Tyrael can learn fractions at age 24

and type two diabetes medication for our obese children

yeah dumb people should stay dumb! they deserve it! obese kids should just choose to eat less!

I understand you're trying to feel morally superior, but come on, my dude. Petty revenge isn't a good basis for society or law in general.

Wtf is this thread.


Also condolence

-Nicotine wrote: 44s4e

Wtf is this thread.


Also condolence

welcome to hell, it's exactly as the title suggests

hell is underrated

DaddyCoolVipper wrote: 4p47

yeah dumb people should stay dumb! they deserve it! obese kids should just choose to eat less!

I understand you're trying to feel morally superior, but come on, my dude. Petty revenge isn't a good basis for society or law in general.

If that's the conclusion you came to about my post, then I'm afraid that any further correspondence with you would be futile because it is clearly evident that you are a mindless retard. You would be doing society a favor by shooting your useless piece of shit brain into bits, preferably directly into the faces of your parents so they can taste the blood and guts of the revolting shitbag they spawned into this world.

Wow... and I thought I was an asshole...

kai99 wrote: 6o576w

hell is underrated

Heaven is overrated

kuchizuke diamond

Sync wrote: b3o4g

DaddyCoolVipper wrote: 4p47

yeah dumb people should stay dumb! they deserve it! obese kids should just choose to eat less!

I understand you're trying to feel morally superior, but come on, my dude. Petty revenge isn't a good basis for society or law in general.

SPOILER

[EARLIER THAT DAY...]
=== DaddyCoolVipper wipes a few droplets of cum onto his stinky, shit-stained boxer briefs after a disappointing load.
=== No longer wanting to pursue something greater in life, he chooses to stick to the same routine, day after day, lost in a trance of doing absolutely nothing stimulating whatsoever. As per usual, he logs onto his favorite weaboo forums for pedophiles and young Asian boys.
=== Wading through the sea of posts about furfaggotry and teenage embarrassment, DaddyCoolVipper stumbles upon his very favorite thread, "ITT 2: We post shit that is neither funny nor interesting"

If that's the conclusion you came to about my post, then I'm afraid that any further correspondence with you would be futile because it is clearly evident that you are a mindless retard. You would be doing society a favor by shooting your useless piece of shit brain into bits, preferably directly into the faces of your parents so they can taste the blood and guts of the revolting shitbag they spawned into this world.

same lol

Bait

Sync wrote: b3o4g

If that's the conclusion you came to about my post, then I'm afraid that any further correspondence with you would be futile because it is clearly evident that you are a mindless retard. You would be doing society a favor by shooting your useless piece of shit brain into bits, preferably directly into the faces of your parents so they can taste the blood and guts of the revolting shitbag they spawned into this world.

Come on, do something, I just made popcorn.

Sync wrote: b3o4g

DaddyCoolVipper wrote: 4p47

yeah dumb people should stay dumb! they deserve it! obese kids should just choose to eat less!

I understand you're trying to feel morally superior, but come on, my dude. Petty revenge isn't a good basis for society or law in general.

SPOILER

[EARLIER THAT DAY...]
=== DaddyCoolVipper wipes a few droplets of cum onto his stinky, shit-stained boxer briefs after a disappointing load.
=== No longer wanting to pursue something greater in life, he chooses to stick to the same routine, day after day, lost in a trance of doing absolutely nothing stimulating whatsoever. As per usual, he logs onto his favorite weaboo forums for pedophiles and young Asian boys.
=== Wading through the sea of posts about furfaggotry and teenage embarrassment, DaddyCoolVipper stumbles upon his very favorite thread, "ITT 2: We post shit that is neither funny nor interesting"

If that's the conclusion you came to about my post, then I'm afraid that any further correspondence with you would be futile because it is clearly evident that you are a mindless retard. You would be doing society a favor by shooting your useless piece of shit brain into bits, preferably directly into the faces of your parents so they can taste the blood and guts of the revolting shitbag they spawned into this world.

I concur.

Aurani wrote: k3n52

Come on, do something, I just made popcorn.

ITT's a bizarre anomaly

http://www.dailywire.com/news/16850/stu ... tigiacomo#

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/ho ... 57731.html

http://www.rollingstone.com/culture/fea ... ls-w483855

And that's why reconstituting concentration camps should be a thing. 3 billion people, after all, should die.

Reconstitute? You gotta at least keep the Jews.

If Shumi, aka Milkshake, ends up in one, I'm in. :V

I just wonder if people are ever actually gonna grow out of their right-wing "edgelord phase"

Perhaps when other people get over their "triggered at everything" phase.

DaddyCoolVipper wrote: 4p47

I just wonder if people are ever actually gonna grow out of their right-wing "edgelord phase"

God, I wish

*triggering intensifies*

B1rd wrote: 4w393k

Perhaps when other people get over their "triggered at everything" phase.

Says the crowd that got massively upset about the Far Cry 5 reveal.

Am I a crowd? I don't care if developers want to push left-wing agenda through their shitty AAA games, I don't play them.

B1rd wrote: 4w393k

Perhaps when other people get over their "triggered at everything" phase.

I'm over that but it simply is no fun to discuss with you because you derail every topic to muslims being the culprits.

Endaris wrote: 6j5f7

B1rd wrote: 4w393k

Perhaps when other people get over their "triggered at everything" phase.

I'm over that but it simply is no fun to discuss with you because you derail every topic to muslims being the culprits.

Lol

Endaris wrote: 6j5f7

B1rd wrote: 4w393k

Perhaps when other people get over their "triggered at everything" phase.

I'm over that but it simply is no fun to discuss with you because you derail every topic to muslims being the culprits.

Which is complrtely different to the people that are culprits being muslim

Endaris wrote: 6j5f7

I'm over that but it simply is no fun to discuss with you because you derail every topic to muslims being the culprits.

B1rd wrote: 4w393k

If we're talking about terrorism, of course Muslim terrorism is going to come up. I was talking about free speech and anything about Islam was a side point. Vipper was the one to derail the discussion into one about Muslims by replying to a couple of my sentences with a full wall post. If this is a sensitive topic for you, I don't really care.

Step 1) Recognise that Muslims who live outside of Europe and parts of the Middle East are okay and nice
Step 2) Recognise that most Middle East and European Muslims need to go away, preferably to Turkey, where we can cleanse them together at sword point
Step 3) Find new religion to pick on
Step 4) ???
Step 5) Profit

B1rd wrote: 4w393k

Endaris wrote: 6j5f7

I'm over that but it simply is no fun to discuss with you because you derail every topic to muslims being the culprits.

B1rd wrote: 4w393k

If we're talking about terrorism, of course Muslim terrorism is going to come up. I was talking about free speech and anything about Islam was a side point. Vipper was the one to derail the discussion into one about Muslims by replying to a couple of my sentences with a full wall post. If this is a sensitive topic for you, I don't really care.

That was one of multiple occasions.

Something I find especially odd is the shortsightedness of the claims that Islam, being Islam, is what causes terrorism in the first place. The VAST, VAST majority of people in the world (in human history, less so nowadays thanks to information spread and such) have been religious, but you don't see the argument commonly made that religion in general is a massive problem and needs to be stopped since it causes so much murder- it's only Islam being pointed out since that's the current one involved with issues.

And no shit are terrorists Islamic, considering where much of the world's political tensions have been over the last 30 years. If the middle east wasn't so unstable right now, do you really think there'd be as much terrorism purely because Islam is a spooky dangerous religion? It's such an ignorant belief to hold, it defies all rationality and factual basis.

B1rd wrote: 4w393k

Perhaps when other people get over their "triggered at everything" phase.

Other people? Surely you can see that right-wingers get extremely triggered by many things, such as islam :^)

Also, the fact that sync says shit this stupid while being Alumni is a proof of why this game's community is as awful as it is.

Endaris wrote: 6j5f7

That was one of multiple occasions.

Occasions of what? That I talked about Islam? So what? I talk about what I like. The claim was that I "always" "derail" discussions in to one about Muslims. Veritably false.

DaddyCoolVipper wrote: 4p47

Something I find especially odd is the shortsightedness of the claims that Islam, being Islam, is what causes terrorism in the first place. The VAST, VAST majority of people in the world (in human history, less so nowadays thanks to information spread and such) have been religious, but you don't see the argument commonly made that religion in general is a massive problem and needs to be stopped since it causes so much murder- it's only Islam being pointed out since that's the current one involved with issues.

And no shit are terrorists Islamic, considering where much of the world's political tensions have been over the last 30 years. If the middle east wasn't so unstable right now, do you really think there'd be as much terrorism purely because Islam is a spooky dangerous religion? It's such an ignorant belief to hold, it defies all rationality and factual basis.

Of course, the argument never was that all religions cause murder, it was that Islam in particular caused murder. It's not ignorant and irrational to hold that belief when so many terrorists attacks are done by Muslims, who have a holy book that preaches violence, and the large majority of whom hold, by Western standards, very backwards fundamentalist views when surveyed. It takes a whole lot of mental gymnastics to think that Islam isn't the problem.

DaddyCoolVipper wrote: 4p47

Something I find especially odd is the shortsightedness of the claims that Islam, being Islam, is what causes terrorism in the first place. The VAST, VAST majority of people in the world (in human history, less so nowadays thanks to information spread and such) have been religious, but you don't see the argument commonly made that religion in general is a massive problem and needs to be stopped since it causes so much murder- it's only Islam being pointed out since that's the current one involved with issues.

And no shit are terrorists Islamic, considering where much of the world's political tensions have been over the last 30 years. If the middle east wasn't so unstable right now, do you really think there'd be as much terrorism purely because Islam is a spooky dangerous religion? It's such an ignorant belief to hold, it defies all rationality and factual basis.

Not disagreeing with you but reminded me that people aren't paying attention to white supremacist terrorism, since that is also on the rise with Trump in office.

It's very ignorant and short-sighted to claim that White supremacy causes terrorism. The vast majority of people in America have been white, only a tiny handful of white supremacists commit terrorist acts. In fact, the increased vilification of White supremacists and rise of political tensions in America are the cause of increased terror attacks by White people; nothing to do with White supremacism itself. Check your privilege.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Afghan_War
where it started going downhill

Jokes aside, let's not make this a discussion. I'm all for discussions, but the last time we had one of this type, it ended with embarrassment, and this is steering dangerously towards it.

B1rd wrote: 4w393k

Perhaps when other people get over their "triggered at everything" phase.

I'm gonna regret this post in like two hours, but fuck it. I don't even care if I get silenced for it. You wanna play this game?

This is the crowd who said Ariana Grande deserved the bombing because of a) those damn Mooslems and/or b) for licking a donut and saying "I hate America" that one time.
The ones who have called the Ghostbusters reboot, Mad Max: Fury Road, and Rogue One, among many others, "feminist propaganda" simply for having the crime of having major female characters.
The ones who are getting upset over Sean Hannity losing rs for pursuing his Seth Rich conspiracy, not even aware about how GamerGate did the same thing with Intel and a Gamasutra article.
The ones who complain about liberals' love of "participation trophies" but have formed literal torch-wielding mobs to defend monuments to Confederate traitors. "Heritage, not hate," my ass.
The ones who praise Greg Gianforte bodyslamming an innocent reporter AND WINNING PUBLIC OFFICE DESPITE IT but cry about Richard Spencer getting socked in the face.
The ones who complain about Antifa getting "violent" but then openly call for throwing Communists off of helicopters, a la Pinochet or Scarface.
The ones who cry for "freedom of speech" whenever Milo Yiannopoulos, Ann Coulter, or Charles Murray gets their speech shut down but completely stonewall any speech by any group critical of Israel's behavior towards Palestinians.
The ones who cry for "freedom of religion" but get nuclear-mad at the mere sight of a hijab.
The ones who complained about Obama golfing when their Supreme Deity has already racked up almost a quarter of Obama's travel expenses in less than half a year -- just for a nice round of golf in Florida.
The ones who complained about Michelle Obama wearing a $3,000 dress while flaunting Melania Trump's $50k fashion during the overseas trip.
Speaking of that...
The ones who constantly used the Saudi's of Hillary as a battering ram against her, while remaining completely silent about Trump's multibillion-dollar arms deal to the Saudis, or his cozying up to scumbags like Erdogan and Duterte.
The ones who didn't like Obama droning Syria, but who don't seem to mind at all that Trump's doing the exact same thing.
The ones who couldn't get over Benghazi so much that they spent more time investigating it than Pearl Harbor, Watergate, Iran-Contra, or 9/11.
The ones who get so triggered by transgenders/nonbinary people for simply existing, that they painted a bus with "there are only two genders" messages and drove it all across America.
The ones who thought a picture of a fucking TORNADO DRILL was an image of Muslims enforcing mandatory prayer.
The ones who locked down their whole goddamn subreddit because they thought the Reddit s were (((globalist cucks))) who had an agenda against them.
The ones who have constantly pushed for this rhetoric for decades, and can't fathom the possibility of people not tolerating their exploitative, discriminatory worldview -- "so much for the tolerant left!"

So yeah, don't EVER say that the right never gets triggered on the scale that the left does. And this goes for all you asshats -- B1rd, Jordan, Comfy Slippers, ColdTooth, FuZ, and especially you, Sync, you piece of shit. Do the world a favor and douse yourself in gasoline and light yourself on fire.

*claps for Raspberriel*

The right gets triggered all the time, but the left is arguably worse when it comes to that.

What they have in common is that they both regularly get mad over petty shit that doesn't matter.

B1rd wrote: 4w393k

It's very ignorant and short-sighted to claim that White supremacy causes terrorism. The vast majority of people in America have been white, only a tiny handful of white supremacists commit terrorist acts. In fact, the increased vilification of White supremacists and rise of political tensions in America are the cause of increased terror attacks by White people; nothing to do with White supremacism itself. Check your privilege.

The point is that it's rising now because of right-wing agendas, since racism has always been deeply rooted in the right for several decades now. I never said I was claiming it causes terrorism, I'm saying that terrorism from white supremacists is on the rise in general.

Railey2 wrote: 6a2u27

The right gets triggered all the time, but the left is arguably worse when it comes to that.

What they have in common is that they both regularly get mad over petty shit that doesn't matter.

Legit

Railey2 wrote: 6a2u27

The right gets triggered all the time, but the left is arguably worse when it comes to that.

What they have in common is that they both regularly get mad over petty shit that doesn't matter.

It's true, the world's gonna end in the next hundred years anyway.

EDIT: on another topic, because politics discussions suck for everyone involved:

I'm in love right now, Raspberriel. Great post!

its the american politics thread all over again

Railey2 wrote: 6a2u27

The right gets triggered all the time, but the left is arguably worse when it comes to that.

What they have in common is that they both regularly get mad over petty shit that doesn't matter.

I think leftist 'sjws' used to be really fucking awful, but after Gamergate far-rightwing idiots have pretty much completely replaced them. Right now, the right-wingers are definitely the worst, especially since they've actually voted people into positions of power. (Thank goodness Le Pen didn't win.)

Great list of examples by the way @Raspberriel

this is off topic meaning you can choose any topic on the planet other than osu! and you some how managed to find the most boring

I have fun with it, its anything but boring

just dont see the point of talking politics online, especially on this forum

you could give the best argument of your life but the odds of impacting someones life or even views are next to 0 so what is the point



raileys post was p funny tho

lol wrote: k2335

just dont see the point of talking politics online, especially on this forum

you could give the best argument of your life but the odds of impacting someones life or even views are next to 0 so what is the point



raileys post was p funny tho

I think it's obvious at this point that some people aren't going to change their minds in the discussion themselves.

But can you say the same about everyone else who's just reading through the thread? You can't, and that's basically the point of all public discussion of politics, intentional or not.




Unrelated, but this video is amazing. Headphone warning

DaddyCoolVipper wrote: 4p47

But can you say the same about everyone else who's just reading through the thread?

my point still stands

Certainly does make me wonder how many people actually view these kinds of threads, but puush images I've posted have gotten hundreds of views before, for example.

I always lurk around here to see how my favourite OTers are doing, more often than not people are just arguing though :[

ramadan mubarak my friends
peace be upon you 🙏🏽

lol wrote: k2335

just dont see the point of talking politics online, especially on this forum

you could give the best argument of your life but the odds of impacting someones life or even views are next to 0 so what is the point

It's just a way for them to let out some steam.

Discussions on the forum get needlessly prolonged. Every time I went to discuss something on a voip, the thing took a couple of hours at most compared to random retarded arguments on the forum. You can write the sort of shit you see in most of these posts, but you sure as fuck can't say that to someone with a straight face.

BrokenArrow wrote: 6i5o49

I always lurk around here to see how my favourite OTers are doing, more often than not people are just arguing though :[

It's okay I'm right here

Aurani wrote: k3n52

lol wrote: k2335

just dont see the point of talking politics online, especially on this forum

you could give the best argument of your life but the odds of impacting someones life or even views are next to 0 so what is the point

It's just a way for them to let out some steam.

Discussions on the forum get needlessly prolonged. Every time I went to discuss something on a voip, the thing took a couple of hours at most compared to random retarded arguments on the forum. You can write the sort of shit you see in most of these posts, but you sure as fuck can't say that to someone with a straight face.

Yeah, I was pretty peeved (from something unrelated to OT, for what it's worth) before writing that wall of text. And you can clearly see stuff I'd never write normally -- a.k.a. that end segment, which was just way too uncalled-for.

That's probably the last politics-related thing I'll type out in a long while. Being confrontational sucks.

unlucky

Lemme just treat you all mongrels to some drinks. Some really nice things happened in the last few days so the drinks are on me.

I hope OT shitposters die of radiation

You cant just not specify what kind of radiation ZAIN

if you did that in programming it would be ideterminable, anything. you could be wishing people death from pussy radiation for all u know pikey, better than dying a polack

FuZ wrote: 6f1pt

ramadan mubarak my friends
peace be upon you 🙏🏽

tbh i'm quite glad dubai still sells food
ramadan mubarak

.

You should take a look at what Sync said to Vipper, then. I already itted that what I said was uncalled for.

alhamdulillah

Raspberriel wrote: 2f96m

So yeah, don't EVER say that the right never gets triggered on the scale that the left does. And this goes for all you asshats -- B1rd, Jordan, Comfy Slippers, ColdTooth, FuZ, and especially you, Sync, you piece of shit. Do the world a favor and douse yourself in gasoline and light yourself on fire.

Hoyl ShiT Raspberry started flaming! This is the best day this week for me, can't wait to read into this :eyes:

He flamed so much his voice is raspy

Kisses wrote: 53h3c

Raspberriel wrote: 2f96m

So yeah, don't EVER say that the right never gets triggered on the scale that the left does. And this goes for all you asshats -- B1rd, Jordan, Comfy Slippers, ColdTooth, FuZ, and especially you, Sync, you piece of shit. Do the world a favor and douse yourself in gasoline and light yourself on fire.

Hoyl ShiT Raspberry started flaming! This is the best day this week for me, can't wait to read into this :eyes:

don't get your hopes up, my dude

when she calls you my dude😍😍😍😍😍😍😍

DaddyCoolVipper wrote: 4p47

I think leftist 'sjws' used to be really fucking awful, but after Gamergate far-rightwing idiots have pretty much completely replaced them. Right now, the right-wingers are definitely the worst, especially since they've actually voted people into positions of power. (Thank goodness Le Pen didn't win.)

Because people saying mean stuff over the internet and voting for people you don't like is worse than rioting, blocking road access for ambulances, attacking people on the streets, ruining lives for people who said something the Left doesn't like?

Pretty much every person who has a little bit of rationality will say that the Left is worse than the Right.

lol wrote: k2335

just dont see the point of talking politics online, especially on this forum

you could give the best argument of your life but the odds of impacting someones life or even views are next to 0 so what is the point

At the very least, you can advance your own understanding. When people stop shitflinging that is.

people can't help but be at each other throats

DaddyCoolVipper wrote: 4p47

I think it's obvious at this point that some people aren't going to change their minds in the discussion themselves.

But can you say the same about everyone else who's just reading through the thread? You can't, and that's basically the point of all public discussion of politics, intentional or not.

yes, you can absolutely say that.

Peoples political views are mostly dependent on their social environment, aka their parents, teachers, friends. The desire to belong to a group is a stronger driving force than the desire to form your own opinions, independent of what your group thinks. Once you're already part of a group (and almost all people are, because we're brought up in a group most of the time), your confirmation bias will assure that you sure as hell won't stray away and change your opinion.

First thing B1rd or Mahogany do when they lose an argument? Run back to their respective camp (aka their sources for information, favorite youtubers, friends) to recharge their feelings alliance, i can promise you that much.

The most effective strategy to change peoples mind is not to make coherent arguments, but to change their social setting, introducing them to a group that consistently holds different views, generating the wish to belong to the new group in your target.
Something this forum is incapable of doing because we have everyone on the political spectrum here, from B1rd to Mahogany. You don't change your opinion in a melting pot, you just group up with the people of your opinion EVEN MORE, to stand against everyone else.

This applies to what 85 percent of all people? The rest know how to think for themselves, so they don't need your arguments in the first place.

Fuck, do you really believe someone can change his opinion in this environment? You can affect maybe one out of a 1000 people, at best. You're just arguing for your own sake here, and you know it.

Peoples political views are mostly dependent on their social environment, aka their parents, teachers, friends.

If this was accurate, I'd be the biggest leftist on this planet. :ppppp

But srsly, it's kinda sad that other people shift you toward something and you end up with no choice.

Railey2 wrote: 6a2u27

Fuck, do you really believe someone can change his opinion in this environment? You can affect maybe one out of a 1000 people, at best. You're just arguing for your own sake here, and you know it.

Huh, I honestly haven't seen it that way.

I've certainly let myself get too pissed off sometimes when replying to B1rd's stuff for example, but for the most part I try to make arguments that are consistent and logical so that anyone reading it could see that and perhaps agree with my side over his. I think forums (and the internet in general) are DEFINITELY a part of people's "social environment", and that just because there are all kinds of opinions you can find on forums, that doesn't completely invalidate the effect that they can have on people's political views. Hell, I'm pretty sure a large amount of the right-wing shift in the last few years has been influenced by the internet, especially places like reddit (which, granted, have a much better setup for creating their own 'safe spaces' where people can go and feel validated for any opinion they could want.)

Your view of things is quite a lot more cynical than mine. That said, though, you may have a point in that nothing posted here specifically will affect people, since it's more of a dedicated base with already-decided opinions. Maybe I have been wasting my time there, I'm not sure.

I think forums (and the internet in general) are DEFINITELY a part of people's "social environment"

Interesting.

Feel like internet just make us more stubborn when it comes to politics, nothing more.

I'm a Libertarian, not because I've always been around Libertarian people, but because I've been around authoritarian people and it's bred a dislike for them. It's only because of the internet that I've been able to consolidate my views. If I were simply a product of my social environment, I definitely wouldn't a be Libertarian. And even within my "own camp", there are still constant arguments and debates. Though of course one would tend to associate more with one's own group, the large majority of people have little maturity and can't engage in civil discussion without attacking other people with an "us vs them" mentality, even though I do spend most of my time on non-libertarian forums, no one wants to get shat on constantly.

And I'm not under any illusions that arguments on the internet are the best way to "convince people". "Convincing people" is more about social posturing and sophistry than the quality of one's arguments. I like talking about politics and philosophy, I do not like to be a politician who's job is to get the crowd on their side (a.k.a redditors). One of the reasons I'm against Democracy. However, there are a minority of people who can argue in good faith and who will actually learn something and change their opinions form a rational debate.

And I'm sure Railey thinks he's the only one who doesn't have a confirmation bias, when he is no better at most people when it comes to personal attacks. Which is why I don't bother arguing with him anymore because that is always the result.

@vipper

This forum is of course a social environment, but

a) if you have a life, its effect on you will most likely weaker than the effect of other environments you're in
b) the forum is super fragmented. What usually happens here is, that people pick the group that you already feel close to instead of opening up to alternative lines of reasoning. Cue Mahogany.
What happens when you enter a platform that is basically a political battleground? You become more set in your own ways.

Don't get me wrong here, vipper: i would agree that many communities on the internet shape (especially young) peoples political views to great effect. Take for example the streamer you linked earlier, Destiny.
Someone right-leaning might his stream for the gaming side of things, start to identify with him and then suddenly become involved in his political content. That's powerful.
But i doubt that something like that could ever happen here, because we don't provide that sort of streamlined community.

if you want to be effective, you really shouldn't argue HERE. Try somewhere else, maybe Destiny's community would be a good place. People that don't agree with him but still like his streams would actually be open for some compelling arguments.
if you want to change peoples minds, you need to separate them from people that agree with them.

My parents were Conservative Baptists? You learn something new every day.

B1rd wrote: 4w393k

My parents were Conservative Baptists? You learn something new every day.

i guess not, huh
forget what i said then



To sum up my point nicely:

Group hip is (to most people) a stronger force than any rational argument.

it follows that if you want to be effective, you have to talk to people that are separated from their group.

You can't be separated from your group on OT, because the whole spectrum is represented here.

Therefore, OT isn't a good place to try and change peoples minds.

I just like to debate stuff like this to expose myself to opposing opinions to expand my mindset

Unfortunately I just end up dealing with people like b1rd who just prove I've always been right all along

Mahogany wrote: 4pak

I just like to debate stuff like this to expose myself to opposing opinions to expand my mindset

Unfortunately I just end up dealing with people like b1rd who just prove I've always been right all along

exactly my point, mahogany