Real talk.

its common knowledge that people have a strong tendency to romanticise the past. The reasons for that are manifold, but without going further into it:

The only difference between OT back then and today now is, that you have a harder time relating to the people that frequent OT today. You lost your exclusive club and since you're not invited to the new one, you interpret lots of the banter and inside jokes here as senseless shitposting (because thats what it looks like to you).

But there's a new community here today and they're having a blast, just like you did 5 years ago.


You can still have meaningful discussions with most people here, the possibilities are all there.. you just don't have an interest in actually getting to know anyone here.
Complaining is always easier than actually getting engaged once more.

if you want to keep feeling bad about what you've lost but refuse to see whats there to be gained, then the past will always look more appealing than the present.
You make your choices.

Ultimately, who gives a shit about the state of the current or old OT; what matters is what an individual is doing to contribute to the community. I cannot imagine how someone can derive happiness and satisfaction from such a crude and disgusting thing, but then again, those same people probably can't even hold a conversation in real life, or they have some mental illness, in which case I can understand the pure idiocy.

Aurani wrote: k3n52

those same people probably can't even hold a conversation in real life, or they have some mental illness, in which case I can understand the pure idiocy.

see? Writing off such a great number of people so violently is the one thing that is truly idiotic.


They say a base has a half life of 2 years, every 2 years half of the s will be gone and replaced by new faces.
Every 4 years, only 25 percent will be left.

Why don't you find yourself a new community to enjoy.. to eventually end up flaming it once the fraction of original s dwindled to under 25 percent?

So far I've taken note of exactly 19 people being imbeciles in OT. Mind you, that's great enough of a number for me.

luv u aurani <3

I mean, don't get me wrong. I understand that humor is a strongly subjective matter and we can only discuss it further on a philosophical level.

But I'm bothered when this much smack is being talked and with the presence of all these indirect insults when people are legit taking way more time than they should just for the entertainment of others. Which is really nice of them. It may not be great or THAT creative but at the end of the day, that's the essence of a shitpost. That's why I mentioned MAL and how it had really creative shitposters on subforums like "CD" and bigger groups like "chat club" but today it's all generic. In the end, it's ok. I'm fine with how OT is, as long as people are friendly and open.

Aurani wrote: k3n52

So far I've taken note of exactly 19 people being imbeciles in OT. Mind you, that's great enough of a number for me.

Then please count yourself twice for your last two posts, how can you be that short-sighted?

OT is alive and thriving, just like its always been.


isn't it the greatest irony that you complain about not being able to have a grounded discussion on OT in a grounded discussion on OT?

What the fuck are you on about?

How is spamming memes and being utterly retarded in EVERY sense of that definition good in ANY way to you? It isn't, you're just countering me without any actual reason - something I've noticed you doing in other discussions with other people. It's like you enjoy making things tense in a perverse way, but whatever, you aren't the point of discussion here.

I clearly said that there is ultimately NO reason to compare the old and new OT and that it's down to the individual, only to have you say "OT is alive and thriving". I mean, if you're going to spout random nonsense for the shit of it, you might as well ignore my posts as I will yours.

Milkshake wrote: 1v5s1i

aren't you guys fantasizing about 5-years-ago-OT a bit too much? we had nice running gags and shit like that, but to say it was so much better than it is now...well, not so much. the main difference was most of the people actually KNEW each other so it basically became an exclusive cool kidz club.

it was good exactly because it was basically a circlejerk, now it's pretty much everyone from forum games ing in with "hey guys xDD im so randommmm gonna make threads about toasters LOL!!!!! also hi mods ^^" which is pretty annoying

the humor was as bad as it is now, the difference is that people actually knew each other so the jokes weren't as awkward as it is to read things now

Blue Dragon wrote: 353cq

Milkshake wrote: 1v5s1i

aren't you guys fantasizing about 5-years-ago-OT a bit too much? we had nice running gags and shit like that, but to say it was so much better than it is now...well, not so much. the main difference was most of the people actually KNEW each other so it basically became an exclusive cool kidz club.

it was good exactly because it was basically a circlejerk, now it's pretty much everyone from forum games ing in with "hey guys xDD im so randommmm gonna make threads about toasters LOL!!!!! also hi mods ^^" which is pretty annoying

huh, I was thinking that OT nowadays is just a new group of circlejerks than what the last group consisted of. i barely see anyone from forum games here and i barely visit FG..

i mean, half of the first page threads are people trying to in with a joke that has either been done 72 times before or just being plain nonsensical and then the thread gets closed before it even hits second page. i wouldn't call it a circlejerk at all

the "circlejerk" (which is the group of people that actually know each other) is pretty much concentrated into this thread

@Aurani
Then stop insulting people for no reason.

Blue Dragon wrote: 353cq

i mean, half of the first page threads are people trying to in with a joke that has either been done 72 times before or just being plain nonsensical and then the thread gets closed before it even hits second page. i wouldn't call it a circlejerk at all

the "circlejerk" (which is the group of people that actually know each other) is pretty much concentrated into this thread

I think it'd be hard to achieve a similar circlejerk nowadays because not only everyone knew each other we also got along well

What does that quote have to do with me insulting people?

Secondly, if you're going to propagate that people shouldn't be nosy about certain people's "humour" (Jesus Christ I want to vomit), then sound logic dictates that what I think and say here is of no concern to you either.

Blue Dragon wrote: 353cq

i mean, half of the first page threads are people trying to in with a joke that has either been done 72 times before or just being plain nonsensical and then the thread gets closed before it even hits second page.

though, I'd say the lack of creativity and /or new types of posts are probably also due to the fact that there are much less active s now than before.

Blue Dragon wrote: 353cq

i wouldn't call it a circlejerk at all
the "circlejerk" (which is the group of people that actually know each other) is pretty much concentrated into this thread

makes sense. i get what you mean.
although maybe I like the fact that there's little circlejerking so that random people can come in and get to know each other. not as deep as you guys would call yourselves but enough to have fun with.

Blue Dragon wrote: 353cq

i mean, half of the first page threads are people trying to in with a joke that has either been done 72 times before or just being plain nonsensical and then the thread gets closed before it even hits second page. i wouldn't call it a circlejerk at all

the "circlejerk" (which is the group of people that actually know each other) is pretty much concentrated into this thread

Honestly, this is so true.

The majority of new threads barely even reach page 2, as you said, and it just tends to be a process of ignore the thread, hope it dies, and that the OP goes away. 99% of the time ITT is more or less the only place in OT that has any quality to it... probably because the people that post here actually know one another

---

I'd post more here myself, but as I mentioned on Discord last night to a few people, I don't tend to have anything interesting to say, and would rather not become one of the trashposters who post the first thing that comes into their head that are usually frowned down upon.

Both sides here are trying to shove things beneath the carpet. There is absolutely no correlation between people knowing each other and someone being mentally defective.

The reason ITT has some "quality" to it is because the people who contribute to said quality aren't the same ones who post those idiotic spam threads - simple as that.

sorry what is this criteria for quality again?

i mean i get what shit threads are but there are okay threads and there are shit but okay threads

kai99 wrote: 6o576w

sorry what is this criteria for quality again?

I'd personally describe it as something that can actually be discussed and is relevant to those in OT... which, in all fairness, a lot of these threads don't fulfill.
I wonder what others consider it to be though.

"Post shit that has some sort of underbelly to it, makes even marginal sense and reasoning behind it and can be properly replied to"

I think that's loose enough for everyone to both have fun and be decent about it.

A thread where everyone can relate to.

Blue Dragon wrote: 353cq

Milkshake wrote: 1v5s1i

aren't you guys fantasizing about 5-years-ago-OT a bit too much? we had nice running gags and shit like that, but to say it was so much better than it is now...well, not so much. the main difference was most of the people actually KNEW each other so it basically became an exclusive cool kidz club.

it was good exactly because it was basically a circlejerk, now it's pretty much everyone from forum games ing in with "hey guys xDD im so randommmm gonna make threads about toasters LOL!!!!! also hi mods ^^" which is pretty annoying

the humor was as bad as it is now, the difference is that people actually knew each other so the jokes weren't as awkward as it is to read things now

people still know each other, you just don't know them

my point

Aurani wrote: k3n52

What does that quote have to do with me insulting people?

Sorry sir, fixed.

... then sound logic dictates that what I think and say here is of no concern to you either.

yes it is cause you're insulting people who work hard to make this community better for everyone. Unlike you, I haven't talked shit about any of these "old" s. I'm trying to stay neutral in this discussion as much as possible and present my arguments with understanding of "both sides".

There is a reason and it is comparable cause in essence it's the same shit, and i'm gonna continue quoting myself for as long as you stay ignorant like this. "Memes" and inside jokes will normally change due to circumstances, that is just how internet works. One of it is just various personalities coming together to make something stupid and fun and in other it's the popular sources that make an impact.. and it is def. reasonable to neglect this. You have to look at the bigger picture here.

Tae wrote: 27212k

I'd personally describe it as something that can actually be discussed and is relevant to those in OT... which, in all fairness, a lot of these threads don't fulfill.
I wonder what others consider it to be though.

Aurani wrote: k3n52

"Post shit that has some sort of underbelly to it, makes even marginal sense and reasoning behind it and can be properly replied to"

I think that's loose enough for everyone to both have fun and be decent about it.

Meah wrote: f4f5b

A thread where everyone can relate to.

see now we're getting somewhere
i needed this

tho those look quite vague and seemingly difficult. i could start from here anyways.

see, sometimes I think making a "quality" thread is hard and people just need somewhere to post their shit, hence the shitposters

kai99 wrote: 6o576w

see, sometimes I think making a "quality" thread is hard and people just need somewhere to post their shit, hence the shitposters

Yes, but people need to learn that OT isn't their personal place to post whatever.
Nobody really gives a fuck about most of the shit here.

No, you don't understand the point I'm making here.

I do NOT have a problem with people being dumb and having a giggle every once in a while, but I HARDLY need to link you all the fucking threads imbeciles have been making for absolutely NO reason what-so-ever. THAT is what I have a problem with here, and that's the crux of this entire discussion. Old vs new is a complete joke - if you want to make things better, start with yourself, and you sure as fuck aren't starting anything, nor are those people who create those threads.

You see, if you make a thread that says "Flanster best boi ban me daddy" or has a similar theme, 5 times in a month, you're either extremely lonely and needy for attention, have some sort of mental issue so you can't understand the basic concept of content that SHOULDN'T be posted, despite a heap of examples from the past showing you how to behave, or you're just an utter troll who understands everything but gives absolutely no fucks regardless of what's going on.

In two out of three of those cases, it's very concerning and indicative of a defect, and mind you, that's a problem for the community as well.

Aurani wrote: k3n52

What the fuck are you on about?

How is spamming memes and being utterly retarded in EVERY sense of that definition good in ANY way to you? It isn't, you're just countering me without any actual reason - something I've noticed you doing in other discussions with other people. It's like you enjoy making things tense in a perverse way, but whatever, you aren't the point of discussion here.

Take a look in the mirror, i'm not the one who tries to purposely antagonize people by calling their community shit and insulting them over hours.

i gave you an actual reason in my post above. OT was a circlejerk back then and it is a circlejerk now, you just don't like it anymore because you're no longer part of the circle.

Do you have any awareness at all, self-awareness or otherwise?
https://puu.sh/vT0IV/7aea47043e.png
https://puu.sh/vT0LB/22d483dc9d.png

its utterly identical, there has been a surge of low quality for ages. All you need to do is take a look back without your shitty confirmation bias.

People are just blinded by nostalgia, as they always are. Expect the next wave of idiots that crying about ''everything having been better in the good old days'' in 4 years.

Lol

Aurani wrote: k3n52

You see, if you make a thread that says "Flanster best boi ban me daddy" or has a similar theme, 5 times in a month, you're either extremely lonely and needy for attention, have some sort of mental issue so you can't understand the basic concept of content that SHOULDN'T be posted, despite a heap of examples from the past showing you how to behave, or you're just an utter troll who understands everything but gives absolutely no fucks regardless of what's going on.

oh lmao this is such an obvious fact
sorry i had to say this
well but those kinds of threads usually tend to not get much attention, get wastelanded, or locked most of the time, so I really didn't see a problem with those, although i have to say there is an abundance.

and i have to include this from Railey's given screenshot

wew

I do NOT have a problem with people being dumb and having a giggle every once in a while

Yet you call them imbeciles.

You see, if you make a thread that says "Flanster best boi ban me daddy" or has a similar theme, 5 times in a month, you're either extremely lonely and needy for attention, have some sort of mental issue so you can't understand the basic concept of content that SHOULDN'T be posted, despite a heap of examples from the past showing you how to behave, or you're just an utter troll who understands everything but gives absolutely no fucks regardless of what's going on.

Which is similar to what you guys had "back in the day". For you, it's easier to trashtalk rather than participate and understand the meaning behind some of these threads. Only then will your arguments beat out the things I say.

@Riley

Okay, so far I've respected every single one of your posts, but no more. I have thus far said 4 times, FOUR TIMES, that I'm NOT discussing "old vs new" and you once AGAIN, for the second time now, completely ignore it and go on about comparing random shit that isn't even in the scope of my posts.
Do you have an issue reading things, or what? Do I somehow need to spell it out for you that a retard 5 years ago and a retard today are the same?

The people I've called retards aren't a community, unless you don't know what the definition of a community is, nor do I "protect" people from the past. I'm protecting the people who actually made good content and I could give less fucks about you trying to purposely shove some kind of notion of me "wanting the past in the present".

I mean, it's completely baffling to me how I thought so highly of you, only for you to now time and time again show me that you're ignoring everything I say and add random arguments that aren't even connected to my original point.

To spell it out for you once and for all:
I do NOT think that I "don't belong in the current circlejerk" nor do I wish that the old circlejerk would return so I can be back in it. If you did your research, you would've noticed that I never was in any kind of group here and never really belonged to any circlejerk.

I do NOT have any kind of "nostalgia", since the people I loved back then I still talk to, more or less, so your point there is also moot.

I mean it appears that I should've just deconstructed your posts line by line just to make you understand a thing that you should've understood without me spelling it out for you.

Aurani wrote: k3n52

I don't visit the place for half a day and people are already showing their retarded side.

The reason "old OT" was a much better place is because of two things:
1) People who shitposted at least displayed a minimum of 80 IQ in form of witty shitposts, compared to today's OT regulars who do their utmost to post the most autistic, least funny bullshit they can think of, if the concept of "thinking" can even be applied to their pitiful existence
2) In spite of all the junk that was undeniably there, some threads were still breeding grounds for nice discussions, compared to today when the only "intelligent" discussions spawn in ITT and even those immediately get tainted by the sheer scale of idiocy circling around this place.

All in all, old OT might've been a filthy piss bottle, but the current OT is like a bucket full of 8-month old semen mixed with salmonella and cockroach spit.

Hika wrote: 2p2929

Oops sorry. I'll post more then.

You flatter yourself, slave.

You've clearly side with the people that pretend to have lived in this mysterious golden age of OT, where everything was better. That's exactly what i've addressed in my posts, because that time where OT stunk less never existed.


you're a hypocrite and a liar. Own up to your shit.


i really appreciate your posts, don't be so stupid.

Railey2 wrote: 6a2u27

Real talk.

its common knowledge that people have a strong tendency to romanticise the past. The reasons for that are manifold, but without going further into it:

The only difference between OT back then and today now is, that you have a harder time relating to the people that frequent OT today. You lost your exclusive club and since you're not invited to the new one, you interpret lots of the banter and inside jokes here as senseless shitposting (because thats what it looks like to you).

But there's a new community here today and they're having a blast, just like you did 5 years ago.


You can still have meaningful discussions with most people here, the possibilities are all there.. you just don't have an interest in actually getting to know anyone here.
Complaining is always easier than actually getting engaged once more.

if you want to keep feeling bad about what you've lost but refuse to see whats there to be gained, then the past will always look more appealing than the present.
You make your choices.

I don't need a pretentious pseudo-intellectual such as yourself telling me that I don't know what I'm talking about because you don't want to it that this community is shit. Shitposting existed back then to a limited degree as well, but there difference was that there were some individuals who weren't just shitposters and who were actually interesting to interact with. I understand the "culture" and "inside jokes" of shitposting perfectly, it's just as asinine as it was back then, it's low quality posting that doesn't require any thought or effort. Anyone could do it, I have no desire to.

And like I've been saying, you're just one of these people that refuses to it that there might be objective standards, that it might have been better back then (it was) for people who were looking for somewhat meaningful interaction.

Are you actually TRYING to compare someone like Wojjan, the greatest of all shitposters, to something like "dear kai99", to name a random thread? Because that's the kind of shitposter I like, compared to a normal, mindless shitposter. Just because people like Wojjan existed, doesn't mean there weren't shitposters back then who are the same as the ones I'm talking about right now.

The ONLY side I stand on is my own side. I'm explaining my point of having a problem with people who REPEATEDLY (note the word - to answer Comfy's "yet you call them imbeciles") fail to contribute ANYTHING of note.

As for OT stinking less being a myth: "only 25% of people will be here after 4 years" - so if the other 75% are replaced with mindless turnips (it's just an example, chill your tits, since I already know that you want to take the number literally), compared to there being a 50-50 in the past, doesn't that prove that it's filthier now than it was before?
I personally think there were more serious and intelligent people active back then, and by that point I shall remain until you provide solid evidence for the contrary, in which case I'll change my opinion. Nostalgia has no play in it, as it's my rational conclusion after having been here for 4 and a half + 2 years.

cmon, wojjan was legendary. can't compare. what are you saying
what has this comparison gone to
has science gone too far
i wont be able to replicate wojjan's thread no matter how hard i tried lmao and that's why i'll stay another mindless 1xxxth shitposter in this forum

there are plenty individuals that are interesting to interact with here, you just don't know that because you've been talking to yourself for the last 3 years.

Blue Dragon wrote: 353cq

johnmedina999 wrote: 3r3a6s

Here we go! The moment we've all been waiting for. The reason why Mara and B1rd and Auranai and Hika and abraker are the only ones here that have been here for 5+ years are still here; one of the reasons why the others have left. This is it!

the reason why most of the OT oldfags left is because this place is a pile of stinky shit

I mean at least before it was a laughable pile of stinky shit

now it's just stinky

If they left because the place was shit then they were part of the problem

Also, if we got rid of the worst people here (wink wink) there'd be more space for actual discussion instead of "muh feels" bullshit and shitposts.

No, the thread wasn't made by you, Kai.

Railey2 wrote: 6a2u27

there are plenty individuals that are interesting to interact with here, you just don't know that because you've been talking to yourself for the last 3 years.

Explain the "talking to yourself" part.

Railey2 wrote: 6a2u27

there are plenty individuals that are interesting to interact with here, you just don't know that because you've been talking to yourself for the last 3 years.

Who is interesting? Who has said anything meaningful outside of a couple of people or a few isolated examples? I haven't been talking to myself, that doesn't even make any sense.

Aurani wrote: k3n52

No, the thread wasn't made by you, Kai.

lmao thought it was a sarcasm directed at me borrowing the title of someone else's thread.
well, i guess what you're describing is what i call nutrition-less.
threads that have no affect whatsoever. those kinds of threads barely have any existence.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Interestingly enough, the same people I found entertaining and great are still entertaining and great to this day, and are pretty much the only ones I find so currently, apart from 2 or so examples. Must be a coincidence!

Aurani wrote: k3n52

Are you actually TRYING to compare someone like Wojjan, the greatest of all shitposters, to something like "dear kai99", to name a random thread? Because that's the kind of shitposter I like, compared to a normal, mindless shitposter. Just because people like Wojjan existed, doesn't mean there weren't shitposters back then who are the same as the ones I'm talking about right now.

The ONLY side I stand on is my own side. I'm explaining my point of having a problem with people who REPEATEDLY (note the word - to answer Comfy's "yet you call them imbeciles") fail to contribute ANYTHING of note.

As for OT stinking less being a myth: "only 25% of people will be here after 4 years" - so if the other 75% are replaced with mindless turnips (it's just an example, chill your tits, since I already know that you want to take the number literally), compared to there being a 50-50 in the past, doesn't that prove that it's filthier now than it was before?
I personally think there were more serious and intelligent people active back then, and by that point I shall remain until you provide solid evidence for the contrary, in which case I'll change my opinion. Nostalgia has no play in it, as it's my rational conclusion after having been here for 4 and a half + 2 years.

you should compare dear kai99 to the ''i'm turning japanese''-sort of thread from the screenshot.
And wojjan posted so much shit on here. SO much shit.

i don't need to explain to you how sides work, you're not autistic. But here you go anyway: if, in a discussion, you hold a view that is very similar to the views of a group of people, it makes sense to group you in with them in the context of the discussion and address the arguments of your ''group'' as a whole.

the numbers are just made up, take them as you wish.
The point is: How you view peoples posts depends greatly on what your affiliation to them is. That's not a secret, there are things like the Halo-effect, in-group out-group dynamics etc. The whole wide area of social psychology confirms that people tend to be biased in favor of people that they've known for longer and had personal relations with.

if those people disappear and get replaced with others, you'll feel left out in that new group and may even become bitter over what was lost.
its a normal process and people regularly fall for it, even though its so painfully unnecessary.

They weren't replaced with 75 percent mindless turnips, you're just bad at adjusting. Trust me when i say that its not the first time for me to notice this. it's happened in virtually every community i've been a part of, multiple times.

Your conclusion isn't rational, it's biased in favor of people you know and like.

Go find your own evidence. Talk to abraker, maybe, probably my favourite shitposter on here, or talk to https://osu-ppy-sh.jeuxcrack.net/u/lol
or talk to me, hell i count as a new too, don't i?



the talking to yourself part was just a diss, guys please. its what you do when someone posts a reply thats not worth a proper response, but leaving it as is would feel weird so you do that.

I've known you for a relatively long period of time (Osu "long"), I've known Bird even longer, and other people even longer than that, yet I sure as fuck have issues with all of you, so the whole "viewing people's posts as good because you like them" is thrown out the window. You can take yourself as a perfect example there. I don't view you as a mindless shitposter nor do I think of you as a problem, yet I don't favour your current point of view at all.

Abraker is a decent enough shitposter, albeit a bit rough at the edges. Some of the posts he makes do cross into the mindless shitpost valley, but not too often.

i mean.. you don't have to go as far as liking people.

The bias already shows with people that are familiar vs. people that aren't.

But no matter which way you turn it, it still makes no sense. Even if I didn't like you and only knew you as a familiar face in OT, that would still, according to that, be incorrect. I mean I'm familiar with Bird and I love Hika, yet neither of those two's posts are perfect, nor am I biased towards them.

As I said, you make the perfect example with the current discussion, and you can't deny it, since you know I respect you, yet here we are.

This is an awkward position.

All i can tell you that i haven't experienced any significant change in the community over the last 2.5 years, and nothing from pre-2015 suggests that its been better before i ed.
From past experiences and with some knowledge about the psychological basis of the ''golden age fallacy'' (unofficial name), i can tell you that people are almost always wrong when they start talking about how things used to be better. You claim that none of this applies to you because you're unbiased, be it naturally or through conscious effort.

You tell me it was better, i'm here looking at OT 4 years ago like .......

Neither of us has the will or time to do a statistical analysis of OT in its totality to prove an increase or decrease in quality, so where does that leave us?



i would love to have the same discussion with you in 4 years again, but i don't think either of us will be around by then, sadly.


The last thing i ask you to consider is this:
People that were around 4 years ago are 4 years older today. Blitzfrog and kai are 16 today, they will both be 20 in 4 years.
if you still talk to people from back then, how they act today might affect your memories of how they were back then (far more immature), skewing them in their favor.

Aurani wrote: k3n52

But no matter which way you turn it, it still makes no sense. Even if I didn't like you and only knew you as a familiar face in OT, that would still, according to that, be incorrect. I mean I'm familiar with Bird and I love Hika, yet neither of those two's posts are perfect, nor am I biased towards them.

As I said, you make the perfect example with the current discussion, and you can't deny it, since you know I respect you, yet here we are.

why dont u love me 2

Railey2 wrote: 6a2u27

This is an awkward position.

All i can tell you that i haven't experienced any significant change in the community over the last 2.5 years, and nothing from pre-2015 suggests that its been better before i ed.
From past experiences and with some knowledge about the psychological basis of the ''golden age fallacy'' (unofficial name), i can tell you that people are almost always wrong when they start talking about how things used to be better. You claim that none of this applies to you because you're unbiased, be it naturally or through conscious effort.

You tell me it was better, i'm here looking at OT 4 years ago like .......

Neither of us has the will or time to do a statistical analysis of OT in its totality to prove an increase or decrease in quality, so where does that leave us?



i would love to have the same discussion with you in 4 years again, but i don't think either of us will be around by then, sadly.


The last thing i ask you to consider is this:
People that were around 4 years ago are 4 years older today. Blitzfrog and kai are 16 today, they will both be 20 in 4 years.
if you still talk to people from back then, how they act today might affect your memories of how they were back then (far more immature), skewing them in their favor.

You definitely make a point there with the age, but age can't explain certain behaviour that some people have (mindless shitposting).

There is no way I could ever hope to get away with saying that there were less shitposters then than there are now, as it is not true, but one thing I guarantee you is that there were more people like us.

Now, there being more "good" people around is not what I was trying to get at, however, as I was saying that I REALLY, REALLY fucking hate mindless shitposting. THAT is what I dislike and would love to change if I had the power to do so.
Fuck the golden age bias and fuck the "past > present" - all I care about is less idiocy and more quality discussions or at least some witty and entertaining jokes.

The reason I was utterly baffled with you being so against me is that I thought you'd also be in favour of quality content over complete turd threads, of which there are plenty and they need to go away, otherwise all the other 16-year olds who visit OT for the first time will think of it as a standard and be swayed by it, as do all youngsters.

Milkshake wrote: 1v5s1i

why dont u love me 2

I have always secretly loved you and have made intricate plans to remove Tom.

i can enjoy both mindless shitposting and intellectual discussions.


but lets leave it at that then, seems like a nice end to this exchange.

Loosen your freefalled.
I barely touched Hardie at first, because you just fell from the wholl bullcrap in the evenings of 1995. It is just crunching dirt, you douchebag. No dentist platoon. You just wanted to almond in the desertion of an Idaho powder. Go to Sedalia Missouri and then Pat Tillman will kill you.

Railey2 wrote: 6a2u27

i can enjoy both mindless shitposting and intellectual discussions.

Same, but OT seems to lack the 'intellectual" part.

Holy fuck what

hi im kai

Railey2 wrote: 6a2u27

Aurani wrote: k3n52

Are you actually TRYING to compare someone like Wojjan, the greatest of all shitposters, to something like "dear kai99", to name a random thread? Because that's the kind of shitposter I like, compared to a normal, mindless shitposter. Just because people like Wojjan existed, doesn't mean there weren't shitposters back then who are the same as the ones I'm talking about right now.

The ONLY side I stand on is my own side. I'm explaining my point of having a problem with people who REPEATEDLY (note the word - to answer Comfy's "yet you call them imbeciles") fail to contribute ANYTHING of note.

As for OT stinking less being a myth: "only 25% of people will be here after 4 years" - so if the other 75% are replaced with mindless turnips (it's just an example, chill your tits, since I already know that you want to take the number literally), compared to there being a 50-50 in the past, doesn't that prove that it's filthier now than it was before?
I personally think there were more serious and intelligent people active back then, and by that point I shall remain until you provide solid evidence for the contrary, in which case I'll change my opinion. Nostalgia has no play in it, as it's my rational conclusion after having been here for 4 and a half + 2 years.

you should compare dear kai99 to the ''i'm turning japanese''-sort of thread from the screenshot.
And wojjan posted so much shit on here. SO much shit.

i don't need to explain to you how sides work, you're not autistic. But here you go anyway: if, in a discussion, you hold a view that is very similar to the views of a group of people, it makes sense to group you in with them in the context of the discussion and address the arguments of your ''group'' as a whole.

the numbers are just made up, take them as you wish.
The point is: How you view peoples posts depends greatly on what your affiliation to them is. That's not a secret, there are things like the Halo-effect, in-group out-group dynamics etc. The whole wide area of social psychology confirms that people tend to be biased in favor of people that they've known for longer and had personal relations with.

if those people disappear and get replaced with others, you'll feel left out in that new group and may even become bitter over what was lost.
its a normal process and people regularly fall for it, even though its so painfully unnecessary.

They weren't replaced with 75 percent mindless turnips, you're just bad at adjusting. Trust me when i say that its not the first time for me to notice this. it's happened in virtually every community i've been a part of, multiple times.

Your conclusion isn't rational, it's biased in favor of people you know and like.

Go find your own evidence. Talk to abraker, maybe, probably my favourite shitposter on here, or talk to https://osu-ppy-sh.jeuxcrack.net/u/lol
or talk to me, hell i count as a new too, don't i?



the talking to yourself part was just a diss, guys please. its what you do when someone posts a reply thats not worth a proper response, but leaving it as is would feel weird so you do that.

I have no idea who you're directing this at, but as always you're extremely arrogant, to insist that you're right, you're the only rational one, everyone else's perception of reality is wrong, even though you have no evidence, and that the reason that this subforum isn't good for us isn't because of meaningless shitposting non-stop, it's becasue we're not "engaging" with the community in the right way. Absolute nonsense, the reason why I don't bother engaging is that I wouldn't get any satisfaction from participating in the asinine behavior like spamming one letter posts that was going on just before this argument. I liked the old posters because they were better, and so I engaged with them and therefore was "d" with them, I didn't become "d" with them and then like them because of that, that's putting the cart before the horse. I engage with any sort of posting that interest me, regardless of the poster, and 97% of posts here do not interest me in any way.

Well even worse abraker will win I think

Its a problem that persists in every community: As a community becomes more popular and/or accessible, the mean age of the community tends to go down, while at the same time the count of the lowest denominator goes up.

This results in a large increase of shitty shitposts for communities like OT.
The old community of OT used to be far more inaccessible and unfriendly to newcomers than it is now, kept itself smaller and "regulated" by shunning people outside of the community. I wont say its a better or even good time compared to back then (people outside of the clique definitively had a shitty time here (hi sonatora!), but it prositively meant that a much larger margin of posts was relevant and fitting for the arbitary judgements of the existing clique, ergo a illusion of better quality.

In some ways it is still the same in this regard, but with time flowing of the old clique get replaced by newcomers which softened up things for yet more newcomers. Or you could say, the cliques standarts for quality or what even qualifies as shitpost changed as the people in it changed. If you are one of those who are from the oldies, you may find those changes distasteful.

And if little to newcomes come things like Tuuba happen, with time. Man is it quiet there now.

Change is inevitable, and change is scary for most people.



As to why i posted? I saw content relevant to my interrests (discussion), if it werent there my activity would still be as dead as the last few months. If i only saw the oneliners that dominate the vast majority of this thread now (and perhaps always have) i wouldnt have posted. Its not content i like after all.







Also do we have a selfie thread somewhere? I belive i never posted a pic of myself but im sure a few of those who still remain are curious about my looks as ever. My lifes better now as do i feel better about myself now, so im not as opposed to showing myself as i was before.

Granger wrote: 4d605j

Also do we have a selfie thread somewhere? I belive i never posted a pic of myself but im sure a few of those who still remain are curious about my looks as ever. My lifes better now as do i feel better about myself now, so im not as opposed to showing myself as i was before.

Selfies are more than welcome in the Post you in real life thread in GD.

Madvillain wrote: 2v6e3b

Granger wrote: 4d605j

Also do we have a selfie thread somewhere? I belive i never posted a pic of myself but im sure a few of those who still remain are curious about my looks as ever. My lifes better now as do i feel better about myself now, so im not as opposed to showing myself as i was before.

Selfies are more than welcome in the Post you in real life thread in GD.

I meant more like "faces of OT" which we used to have, but sure i can post in GD. Not like it matters really.

Well, RIP Chris Cornell.

The crazy thing is, I could've actually caught his last show (which was earlier this night!) but I went to Hall & Oates/Tears For Fears instead...
and now everyone knows where I live

I'll be listening to Superunknown for the rest of the day. RIP legend, what the hell happened though? It's so sudden.

I WON'T TOLERATE ANY SLANDER TO WOJJAN SO YOU BETTER SHUT THE FUCK UP RAILEY

You know who was a cool guy? The_Priest_In_Yellow. He sort of disappeared after he married Rena-chan though...

B1rd there was always meaningless non-stop shitposting on OT, side by side with reasonable discussions. Nothing has changed. Go back 100 pages and what you will find is always random shit and spam threads, with little good stuff in between.

@foxtrot: Wojjan < abraker

Honestly, I see some hostility towards Wojjan from you. Why? You'll see a lot of old s reminiscing her because she was actually a fun person to be around with because her jokes made sense. She stopped posting 2 years ago, which is around the same time you ed, so you might have missed out a bunch of jokes from her posts (she did a lot of inside jokes). I believe that a big reason why the older s are unsatisfied with the current state it's because they don't find the shitposting FUNNY. Honestly, neither do I; there's nothing funny about parallel posting or ye ode ot. If the new s like doing this, we shouldn't stop them having their own fun, but if other people don't they'll just make themselves look more like douchebags if they force their spam across the board. AND THIS IS WHY ITT 2 EXISTS IN THE FIRST PLACE !

Wojjan is a she?

Madvillain wrote: 2v6e3b

Wojjan is a she?

ITS BACK

Wojjan is actually a hot milf and Dulcet secretly has 22cm.

That's a pretty damn good size

yeah Aurani would know

I really miss Dulcet although we're still in from time to time. it's not nearly enough to fill the lack of her presence

Milkshake wrote: 1v5s1i

I really miss Dulcet although we're still in from time to time. it's not nearly enough to fill the lack of her presence

hi

Yeah, shame she had that accident 2 years ago..... I miss her and I cry when I think about all the lost opportunities I had to tell her how much I love her....

Aurani, stop being silly. when I went to work in Bosnia? We actually met up two years ago and have settled down ever since. Brian OA was good at keeping it a secret

oh

But... I haven't been in Bosnia for over 2 years. I know you're trying to cheer me up, Fox, but Dulcet was something special to me... after all, I wanted to marry her.

Sometimes I swear I can hear her talking to me, here on this very forum.

I can't believe Hika tolerates you

Ouch

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

Milkshake wrote: 1v5s1i

I really miss Dulcet although we're still in from time to time. it's not nearly enough to fill the lack of her presence

hi

where's dulcet

wait you ARE dulcet what the //fuck// dude oh my god fuck you

The fuck do you think I was writing that shit for? You dense little kebab. =D

shut up, Foxtrot sounds like a nickname for a 35 y.o dude with cheetos in his chest hair

im 500 pennies away from changing back to dulcet, so sit tight

only if you hug me tightly~

Foxtrot wrote: 2l233p

I can't believe Hika tolerates you

same

Fine, fuck you all, I'm the only one worthy of myself anyways.

Every nation on Earth should just delete themselves and leave the world to us, poles. Earth would be a lot better than it is currently.

but poles are inanimated objects

Zain Sugieres wrote: 2n3vj

Every nation on Earth should just delete themselves and leave the world to us, poles. Earth would be a lot better than it is currently.

Why not include your Asian/Hispanic/Pacific Mexican Islander Catholic friend, the Philippines?

Zain Sugieres wrote: 2n3vj

Every nation on Earth should just delete themselves and leave the world to us, poles. Earth would be a lot better than it is currently.

R.I.P. space exploration tho

Zain Sugieres wrote: 2n3vj

Every nation on Earth should just delete themselves and leave the world to us, poles. Earth would be a lot better than it is currently.

You guys are ugly and fap to hentai

Hika wrote: 2p2929

Zain Sugieres wrote: 2n3vj

Every nation on Earth should just delete themselves and leave the world to us, poles. Earth would be a lot better than it is currently.

You guys are ugly and fap to hentai

but you guys too are ugly and fap to hentai. even worse, you fap to furry hentai.

Americans are all mixed up so you're worse than us, pure blood slavs. We also do not masturbate to drawings.

oh it's 3232 pages

shiz
You are useless.
You are not everything, you are my scoll now.
It is now your bolldless now.

shani what the fuck

use an isolation tank every 2 minutes

are you feeling it mr krabs

Hika wrote: 2p2929

shani what the fuck

did I hit 2 close home

Railey2 wrote: 6a2u27

B1rd there was always meaningless non-stop shitposting on OT, side by side with reasonable discussions. Nothing has changed. Go back 100 pages and what you will find is always random shit and spam threads, with little good stuff in between.

I never said there wasn't always shitposting, but now there is barely any reasonable discussion. Most of the good stuff has been in ITT2, now there is very little.