Also, like I've said, for all I know flowey might be good at the end of the game, I never completed it.

Don't worry Sakura I'll protect you!!!

Unvote

So she did have a reason to say what she said, it was just a fucking retarded reason.

Not dropping the idea of Sakura scum, that has been an obvious idea this whole fucking game, because she's acting pretty scummy, but, that was my bad.

alright well, back to this
Vote: metalsonic

Wait why the fuck am I unvoting sakura, she's like 99% scum.

Vote: Sakura

Look through her ISO. Anything, LITERALLY ANYTHING that can be taken from a town perspective, please show me.

I won't protect YOU! Stop being salty!

Sakura is bae

You are bad

Sakura is mafia, though, surely you should be putting your vote on mafia, ms1?

bae - e + d = bad BTW!!

Magic bomb, but you are always Mafia, why should I believe you?

metal sonic1 wrote: 22506x

Magic bomb, but you are always Mafia, why should I believe you?

Because I'm town!

nah but because you can literally read through sakura's iso and she hasn't made a single town post this whole game

Also because lynching me today is a bad idea, at least wait a day or 2 first, like I've said before.

If you seriously scumread me, lynch me in 2 days. You're an idiot, but you can be that, it's fine.

Vote: Tsukass

Back to this

Mb is town

I am going to protect mb instead!

metal sonic1 wrote: 22506x

I am going to protect mb instead!

What made you switch from voting me to protecting me that quick?

Also it's 6:45am so i'm gonna go sleep but i'll hopefully have more stuff to reply to in the morning

You clearly don't understand the mistake you made (or it wasn't even a mistake, maybe just a gap in logic). You're Flowey, a "bad" character from Undertale, logically he should be Mafia in this game. You're Town, right? Then you should know 100% that flavor doesn't matter when judging alignment, so you should be pushing AGAINST a flavor claim, but instead you were NEUTRAL about it, which is enough to suspect you. Understood? You had proof that flavor doesn't matter, your stance on it should be obvious for everyone - it should be negative, but it's not.

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

metal sonic1 wrote: 22506x

I am going to protect mb instead!

What made you switch from voting me to protecting me that quick?

Your whining

fartownik wrote: 64d9

You clearly don't understand the mistake you made (or it wasn't even a mistake, maybe just a gap in logic). You're Flowey, a "bad" character from Undertale, logically he should be Mafia in this game. You're Town, right? Then you should know 100% that flavor doesn't matter when judging alignment, so you should be pushing AGAINST a flavor claim, but instead you were NEUTRAL about it, which is enough to suspect you. Understood? You had proof that flavor doesn't matter, your stance on it should be obvious for everyone - it should be negative, but it's not.

pretty much this.

So this hinges on whether MB has played undertale

metal sonic1 wrote: 22506x

So this hinges on whether MB has played undertale

Look at what he's saying... he's saying that to the point he's played his character is evil.
Scumslip still stands.

Also the OMGUS vote is noted.

Btw all MB has done is try to discredit my logic by saying it's moronic without actually disproving the point of my scumread (his scumslip) and is flailing and pushing back against his attacker. This is not town, and farto gets townpoints for noticing that all MB did was try to discredit instead of refuting.

idk, if I got Flowey and was Town, I would automatically assume flavor is meaningless in this game, and wouldn't have any trouble claiming
Not that I'm trying to defend MB, I still have a suspicion regarding the flavors, but it's more of a guessing game with what Jess would do
Though, I should mention the second part of MB's reaction is looking poor

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm


Unvote

If I'm willing to trust MB, I'll have to trust ms1 as well

Frostings wrote: l110

idk, if I got Flowey and was Town, I would automatically assume flavor is meaningless in this game, and wouldn't have any trouble claiming
Not that I'm trying to defend MB, I still have a suspicion regarding the flavors, but it's more of a guessing game with what Jess would do
Though, I should mention the second part of MB's reaction is looking poor

exactly the opposite of what MBomb did with the bolded.

I looked through his ISO and there's really no indication of it
His flavor crumbing is kinda awkward but not really a scumtell

right now, I kinda wanna trust MB with his whole "lynch me at Day3" thing

I also still want that mass flavor claim before the end of Day1

Frostings wrote: l110

I looked through his ISO and there's really no indication of it
His flavor crumbing is kinda awkward but not really a scumtell

Uhh hello? i quoted it like 2-3 pages ago?

...
After seeing MB's reaction I'm not so sure anymore.
It feels overdone. Like an overemphasis to look genuine in "being pissed off," but it pings a bit.

Has anyone else seen MB react like this anywhere else?

He has been pretty unmemorable every game I seen him scum, so meh

I am on the camp of mb town btw

Opinions opinions

I think tsukasa is scum

how many cute pictures he posted when I was scum tunneling last game? He was town

How many cute pictures has he posted here?

Scum.

I'm inclined to ignore an idiot

Stiiiiiill waiting for the latest VC

this 'idiot' is going to steal your wife!

or try to, at least

Aomi, MB and Frostings scumteam calling it here nao

would you like to bet money on that? send it to my paypal

metal sonic1 wrote: 22506x

would you like to bet money on that? send it to my paypal

you mean you know it's not true because you're Mafia?

Vote: Magic Bomb

fartownik wrote: 64d9

metal sonic1 wrote: 22506x

would you like to bet money on that? send it to my paypal

you mean you know it's not true because you're Mafia?

bet first, questions later

i can't be mafia, thats dishonorable, insider trading

Why is this moving so slow

fartownik wrote: 64d9

Why is this moving so slow

Alrighty

Vote: MB

NoHitter wrote: 262z5z

fartownik wrote: 64d9

Why is this moving so slow

Alrighty

Vote: MB

That was L-2 btw

metal sonic1 wrote: 22506x

would you like to bet money on that? send it to my paypal

I think it's a reasonable assumption no?
what notty usually says "Those who dont kill what im killing become what im killing" farto's reasoning makes sense from a Town PoV, albeit a bit flawed since... scum are more likely to bus when there's already a scum claim/slip/case on a partner save 1 or 2 (since there's 3 there's probably 1 busing and 1 not busing as of right now)

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

metal sonic1 wrote: 22506x

would you like to bet money on that? send it to my paypal

I think it's a reasonable assumption no?
what notty usually says "Those who dont kill what im killing become what im killing" farto's reasoning makes sense from a Town PoV, albeit a bit flawed since... scum are more likely to bus when there's already a scum claim/slip/case on a partner save 1 or 2 (since there's 3 there's probably 1 busing and 1 not busing as of right now)

1 is inactive (Aomi) and 1 is on the verge of busing (Frostings).

Well Frostings does have the makings of Active Scum.
However given what we know about MB now and including his scum claim, do you think his supposed partner Frostings takes the approach he did at the start of the game... which in the end, is what doomed MB?

Vote: MB

L-1

metal sonic1 wrote: 22506x

Vote: Tsukass

Back to this

MB AtE'd hard as a mofo.

FTFY

dude if mb flips scum and reveals as flowey, i'll literally cry at how easy this game is gonna be

Claiming.

I'm 2-shot Cop.

That's why I said wait until day 3 before lynching me.

Vote: NoHitter
FoS Ace and Tsukasa

Town:
mb
ms1
fartownik

wait hold on
let me redo that post

Vote: Ace Timing
FoS: Sakura, Tsukasa

Town:
MB
ms1
fartownik

Nulltown:
beeboy
seaboy

Null:
Zexion
Aomi
NH

Well scum has fake claimed a towny role, what a shocker.

I think 2-shot Cop would be in a setup like this (as opposed to a mod-given fakeclaim), and it would definitely be given to a Town, with 3 scums and all

wait what am I saying. Cop is a Town role. I was thinking of Tracker or something

Well then yeah, cop fakeclaim in a 3 scum setup is too op

I can't believe you don't believe his claim Sakura
Unless there's a counterclaim MB is basically confirmed town

UNLESS

Frostings wrote: l110

I can't believe you don't believe his claim Sakura
Unless there's a counterclaim MB is basically confirmed town

Yeah no, use your head.

what a twist

Ok, I have an idea

We give MB one night of action.
@MB, if you're really a Cop, I want you to target Sakura tonight
Sound cool?

I was planning on it. I probably will, but for the sake of scum possibly killing me to try and frame sakura on the rare chance she isn't scum, I'm not gonna 100% confirm I will. But it's most likely I will, yeah.

And Sakura, if you really don't believe me, lynch me on day 3, like I've said.

alright now everyone vote Ace

Yeah ok let's continue wagoning people until all PRs are outed because we're gonna trust each and every one of them, right?

Sakura I shouldn't need to explain to you why lynching a claimed cop day 1 is a bad idea.

*holds in urge to lynch Sakura*

unvote

Eh I still want him lynched before the end of the game tho.

Sakura, trust me
We'll give MB one night of action

fartownik wrote: 64d9

Yes, it would be indeed! And you're drunk, so you're more than capable of thinking less right now.

Damn Farto, how did you discover my super secret wagon vote strategy?!

No seriously, I'm kinda confused since some post ago you told Frostings he was just -pretending- to be active:

fartownik wrote: 64d9

Frostings wrote: l110

some people are a little quiet (Aomi, seaboy), and I wanna hear from them

1. Ask for a prod then!
2. Vote them then!

You do neither! Why you write such an empty statement? They're not gonna read it anyway. The only ones that read your statement is us, and you want to look like a productive member of society that pushes the game forward, my friend.

Then I'm making a scum vote because I'm doing exactly that?

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

metal sonic1 wrote: 22506x

So this hinges on whether MB has played undertale

Look at what he's saying... he's saying that to the point he's played his character is evil.
Scumslip still stands.

This point is kinda delicate. MB did claim his character was evil but only after you guys mentioned it, and yes I went through the ISO. It's just the accusation hinges on something that we can't exactly prove.

Frostings wrote: l110

Sakura, trust me
We'll give MB one night of action

Why exactly should we trust you? MB's role isn't exactly verifiable.

Zexion wrote: 11654m

Frostings wrote: l110

Sakura, trust me
We'll give MB one night of action

Why exactly should we trust you? MB's role isn't exactly verifiable.

I'm assuming his point is: I'm heavily scumreading Sakura.
If I target her, I either scan my biggest scumread as innocent, which basically proves her town, or I scan her as scum, where she gets lynched, and if she flipped town, it would be obvious I was lying.
Ofc, neither of these would clear me entirely, but both are pretty good for town in of clearing/revealing sakura.

unvote

And who aside from you and Frosty is scumreading me?
Do you think im so heavily scumread that i need to become conf town to not be lynched?

I'm not unvoting MB just because he claimed to be a Cop, and even more conveniently a 2-shot Cop. If he were to claim a regular Cop we wouldn't have a point of reference for when we lynch him (supposedly D3) and we would probably sacrifice him today or even tomorrow for his sole scumness. By claiming 2-shot Cop he gave himself a trap door to escape a lynch for incoming two days, because it's not as bad as asking for not lynching him for the entirety of the game if he was a regular Cop. In short, it's more believable and he could convince us to spare him for one/two more days easier that way. It's basically the only thing that he has left, his last resort. He wants us to give him another day or two to redeem himself and play a good Town, that's what every (even half-intelligent) mafia player would do at this point. Also one more thing for why claiming 2-Shot Cop is more convenient than claiming a regular Cop: there could be another (real) Cop in the game and he counterclaims. If he counterclaims now the claimed roles differ and he can at least get out of it in a way, although I wouldn't believe it. Also the fact that he was waiting so long with the claim bothers me. Feels like he was waiting for a partner to come online and discuss possibilities.

Also tbh, I don't see why a character like Flowey would get a role such as 2-Shot Cop. I feel like, if he were to be Town, he'd be more of a killing/hurting role.

Please, make the MB lynch happen today. Don't mess this game up by letting a scummy player live just because he claimed something that can't be proven anyhow.

Btw, if there's a regular Cop in the game: claim now. We may lose that role, but we will most likely catch scum this way.

Also the fact that Frostings instantly unvoted MB and started townreading him is a fucking 1000km scumtell. We can end this game in 3 days if we lynch people in this order: D1: MB, D2: Aomi, D3: Frostings

See the thing is he may be buying 2 days to do "whatever scummy things his whichever scum PR does", Then after 2 days he flips scum and any clears he has become pure WIFOM, meanwhile he already did damage with his PR.

Exactly. That's why we can't let that live. Not only he could do damage with his role if he's Mafia, but he could screw things up by giving us false information of false scans as a Cop. This is nowhere safe and I'm not going to let this game go that direction.

Nah false information isnt an issue because as soon as a cop flips scum any clears become pure WIFOM and shouldn't be trusted

I'm more worried about what kind of scum PR he has to be wanting to buy time.

Sakura if you are counter claiming just come out and say it please.

- Magic Bomb - wrote: 5w14d

Zexion wrote: 11654m

Why exactly should we trust you? MB's role isn't exactly verifiable.

I'm assuming his point is: I'm heavily scumreading Sakura.
If I target her, I either scan my biggest scumread as innocent, which basically proves her town, or I scan her as scum, where she gets lynched, and if she flipped town, it would be obvious I was lying.
Ofc, neither of these would clear me entirely, but both are pretty good for town in of clearing/revealing sakura.

but if you're scum you already know who's town so you can still call her town tomorrow and when you're lynched eventually we'll all be kicking ourselves over what to think about your claims.

are two clears worth two days of scum WIFOM?

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

Nah false information isnt an issue because as soon as a cop flips scum any clears become pure WIFOM and shouldn't be trusted

I'm more worried about what kind of scum PR he has to be wanting to buy time.

Yes, it is an issue because if he kills the right people, he may convince other people that he's not scum and get away with everything. Basically another stupid opportunity for him to have an advantage.

beeboy123 wrote: 6u4d5c

Sakura if you are counter claiming just come out and say it please.

I am not indulging such an anti town post with a reply

MB

Ace Timing wrote: 36512t

are two clears worth two days of scum WIFOM?

No, they're not. It's stupid and against all logic to keep MB alive without any solid proof that he's Town. I don't mind losing a role if it saves us a shitton of complications in the entire game.

fuck I keep doing this

Vote: MB

I really would like to wait and see if an actual Cop is in place this game though. Wait a bit for a potential counterclaim, then shrek him to pieces.

fartownik wrote: 64d9

I really would like to wait and see if an actual Cop is in place this game though. Wait a bit for a potential counterclaim, then shrek him to pieces.

The correct play is for a cop is to not CC Day 1 and get a scan off, in the cop's eyes, he's confirmed scum already.

You can vote up to L-1, but I'm going to unvote at that point if I feel like not enough time has ed for every player to have a chance to counterclaim.

Sakura wrote: 1q3420

fartownik wrote: 64d9

I really would like to wait and see if an actual Cop is in place this game though. Wait a bit for a potential counterclaim, then shrek him to pieces.

The correct play is for a cop is to not CC Day 1 and get a scan off, in the cop's eyes, he's confirmed scum already.

Well, okay then, that works too. A counterclaim should happen if there are serious objections about MB's lynch though.

._. I have serious objections about his lynch on day 1.

I want him to be lynched on another day.