what exactly do you mean by "still around"? a map in the ranked section cannot be removed from it (except by copyright claim). chocobo entered the ranked section a very long time ago, before the qualified section existed.auux wrote: 44554c
I still find it weird when maps like that are still around but this maps is not okay because it has "some spacing inconsistencies". It's a bullshit claim because this map is fine as heck.
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I seem unable to get my point forward. If that was a ranked criteria back then, considering how awkwardly mapped it is, this should also be able to be "awkward" (It really isn't). I just find it so odd.deetz wrote: 305g2p
what exactly do you mean by "still around"? a map in the ranked section cannot be removed from it (except by copyright claim). chocobo entered the ranked section a very long time ago, before the qualified section existed.auux wrote: 44554c
I still find it weird when maps like that are still around but this maps is not okay because it has "some spacing inconsistencies". It's a bullshit claim because this map is fine as heck.
uh no, because maps were done differently back then with different philosophy. That's like saying all my maps should get ranked because they're better than 2007 maps that got ranked.auux wrote: 44554c
I seem unable to get my point forward. If that was a ranked criteria back then, considering how awkwardly mapped it is, this should also be able to be "awkward" (It really isn't). I just find it so odd.deetz wrote: 305g2p
what exactly do you mean by "still around"? a map in the ranked section cannot be removed from it (except by copyright claim). chocobo entered the ranked section a very long time ago, before the qualified section existed.
ok lemme mod captin's diffQuality Assurance Team wrote: 3c1v6u
captin's Extra
Lack of a concept regarding spacing and rhythm
- 00:21:067 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - There are jumps between every pair of objects, even though this is not even the most intense section Then? Doesn't Gaia's Extra diff employ jumps "every pair of objects" too? ittedly Gaia has the jumps more structured, but the patterns captin made are fine, really. The rhythm, though, is a completely different story...
- 00:52:371 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - All the triplets and extended sliders make the rhythm much more dense than it should be. Most of them are overmapped. I... have to agree with this, actually. I'll elaborate later.
- 03:08:024 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - This section is a build-up too the chorus with strong emphasis on the white ticks, yet there are jumps between every objects I can understand what are you trying to say here, and yes, in a few cases, the constant jumps can feel kinda odd due to the fact that the drums are stronger on the white tick here. However, I don't think this is... like, super bad or something.
- 00:21:067 (1,2) - I get it that you want to emphasize the instrument at 00:21:393 and you'll need an object you can click to properly emphasize it. However, (1) currently ends at... nothing, right now. It also ends at an irregular spot, which makes it weird to play this slider. What I'm trying to say by irregular here is the instruments are mainly played in a rhythm every half a beat, landing on the white and red ticks.
It'd be more natural to hit and play this slider entirely if you ended this on the red tick before the blue tick you're currently placing the end of the slider at (00:21:230) due to the reason I'm saying above. And you know, there is actually an instrument being played at 00:21:230 (although it's ittedly a faint one compared to 00:22:534, but it's there), but none at 00:21:312 (at least none that is played starting from this tick). Ending this on the blue tick will only cause awkwardness because you're not really emphasizing anything there.
(This applies to stuff like 00:23:676 (1,2) and 00:24:980 (1,2); the latter also has the exact same instruments played as 00:22:371 (1,2), so why the usage of the 3/4 slider there?) - 00:32:806 (1,2) - Umm, there isn't even anything that'd give a valid reason to use a 3/4 slider here, such as any sound mapped by the circle that'd be weird if it were mapped with a slider's tail (in short, clickable objects). A 1/1 slider is definitely the best choice to map this spot, just like 00:34:111 (1).
- 00:43:486 (2) - Now... why? Okay, this is actually an okay overmapping that I have to approve. However, the triplet at 00:43:730 (3,4,5) loses its emphasizing power of the instrument the circles are mapping because you just used an overmapped triplet the moment before it.
They might sound unrelated, yeah (I'm bad at explaining things like this lol), so I recommend you to just try comparing the current state of 00:43:241 (1,2,3,4,5,6) to how will it be if (2) didn't exist and you just made a jump between (1) and (3) instead. Trying it by yourself will be better.
(This also applies to 00:52:861 (3,4,5,6,7), 00:54:002 (2,3,4,5,6), and patterns with a similar rhythm.) - 00:46:339 (4,5,6,7) - The rhythm and the usage of the 1/4 jump is okay, but don't you think the flow is odd considering how the slider and circles are placed? I'd make the slider... point at (5), and make 00:46:502 (5,6,7)'s placement corresponds with how (4) is placed. Something like this, I guess.
- 00:54:002 (2,3,4,5,6) - I just mentioned this two points ago, but I felt the urge to mention it again. The overmapping doesn't go well with how the song rolls. It... just doesn't. I wish I could've elaborated this further, but it's impossible since it's pretty much because it doesn't "click" with the song's general rhythm, and that's it. Maybe it'd be better if the triplets began on the red ticks and end on the white ones (something like 00:52:861 (3,4,5)).
- 01:02:480 (1,1) - Use a 1/2 slider like this instead (I'm only showing the screenshot to show the rhythm; the placement is, of course, not the greatest choice)? Unlike 01:02:154 (1,2) where the 1/4 slider jumps would be really fitting with how the instruments are played, this one has a different music structure, and two 1/4 sliders with jumps between them definitely isn't the best choice to map this spot.
- 01:26:284 (1) - Any reason why should this be... disted? I believe 01:25:632 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) should just have a constant spacing. 00:52:045 (3,4,5,6,1) is acceptable (for me at least) because (1) is the beginning of the chorus, which is pretty strong, and a bigger spacing is okay to emphasize that, but this one doesn't really have any reason, especially considering (8) is a circle. This would've been acceptable if (7) and (8) were combined into a 1/4 slider, IMO.
- 01:28:241 (1,2,3,4,5) - ^
- 02:05:415 (3,4) - This is purely an optional suggestion: How about combining them into a 3/4 slider to emphasize the instrument sound at 02:05:659 better (since it feels very different compared to the other instruments played at the second blue tick of a beat in this song)? It'd also help in making 02:05:741 (5) more accentuated.
- 02:32:725 (1) - What makes you think this would fit in the group of objects of 02:32:480 (5,1,2)? I can't find any reason for this, so I thought it'd be cool to have more understanding about it.
- 02:51:638 - Why isn't this mapped? It's odd to just leave the instrument here unmapped because it's just as noticeable as 02:51:801.
- 02:56:937 (7,8) - Honestly, I'm wondering why didn't you use 1/4 sliders or continue the 1/4 stream here considering how great they'd be emphasizing the instruments here.
- 03:08:024 - 03:13:078 - I think the problem here doesn't lie on how this section has jumps between every object consistently, but more on the fact that you emphasized the stronger instruments with smaller jumps than the weaker instruments, which makes the accentuation of the instruments here happen in an inconsistent manner. This happens at:
- 03:08:676 (3,4,5)
- 03:11:121 (3,4,5)
- 03:12:100 (2,3,4)
But frankly, I think this isn't really that problematic anyway; I'm just sharing my thoughts here because I just... feel the need to. - 03:17:154 (1,2,3,4) - Are you sure on using such a big spacing in a section where the music is really weak? I can understand the spacing from (1) to (2), but (2,3,4) really has no reason for the wide jumps.
- 03:25:306 (2,3) - 03:22:697 (3,4) is okay since there is actually a base (instrument sounds) you're mapping to, but there is nothing to map at the end of these sliders, and the sounds of the instrument on the red ticks are of the "solid" type (without any kind of elongated sound and ends on a "flat" note). I... personally won't recommend the usage of 1/4 sliders here.
- 03:28:241 (1,1) - Very minor stuff, but uh, try to make them not touch each other?
- 03:45:116 (4) - Why do an overmapping here while there is actually something to map at 03:45:442? This way it goes way better with the song's instruments (you don't map emptiness, but something actually in the song which sounds weird if left unmapped anyway).
I seriously hope you won't take this as an attack on your interpretation of the music. I respect how are you mapping the song with the rhythm and placement of the objects, but sometimes the map just... goes on its own way, going quite far from what the song presents.
Still though, I'd like to disagree with this statement. I believe captin won't just paste hard stuff here and there for the sake of it. He knows what he's doing; he just went... a little too far at times.Loctav wrote: 3n5266
Whereas the Extra has a multitude of concepts that were not composed together fluently, this one appears to have no real concept and is more of a compilation of difficult patterns for the sake of it.
Well uh, with that, I hope this will be requalified (and then ranked) without any more problems later
I can't agree more,monstrata wrote: 6c5k4c
Feels like whoever did the dq this time is also part of the other asymmetry set :p. To me these reasons sound a lot more like differences in interpretation rather than actual quality issues. If qats could mod without any personal bias they'd be able to manage dq contests honestly... But from taking with ztrot, currently that is not yet foreseeable.
Also can you qats use more appropriate wording when it comes to making objective statements? Stuff like "The difficulty seems to lack..." Just make you sound uncertain, unsure... Don't use seems. or appears. And phrases like "x is completely lost"/"unreadable" overstate your intention and offend the mapper.
Both language misuse create fruction with the community :p. Please fix that.
the wording MUST be more precise.
If you want QAT to be considered a somewhat professional status, you MUST have proper wording and have some professionalism.
In addition,
Like I said earlier, can't agree more. You should sound like you're trying to help, instead of sounding unnecessarily condescending.monstrata wrote: 6c5k4c
"x is completely lost"/"unreadable" overstate your intention and offend the mapper.
I don't think anyone likes it, whether good mapper or not, when you are being looked down upon.
Jesus Christ, At least have some manners.
As I can see you are a beginner at modding. Your points can be interesting but they do really lack of substance because most of it is really subjective. Also, I advise you to read this thread https://osu-ppy-sh.jeuxcrack.net/forum/t/331416. It's a really nice tutorial for beginners at modding. You will improve a lot if you read and understand it!Quality Assurance Team wrote: 3c1v6u
Disqualification Notice 6m1y
Hello!
Unfortunately, the Quality Assurance Team has decided to disqualify this beatmap. The following is a list of reasons and examples for the disqualification. We do not outline every issue in detail, so make sure to take the idea behind each reason and apply it to the entire beatmap as issues might be found in more than the spots mentioned below. If you have any questions, please reply to this post and we will do our best to clarify any misunderstandings.
captin's Extra
Lack of a concept regarding spacing and rhythm
The issues mentioned by Loctav have not been addressed - since it was an unsucessfully contested DQ, everything posted there must be fixed before it can proceed towards ranked status.
The difficulty still seems artificial and lacks a concept in many aspects; There are jumps between essentially all of the objects, so there is no basic spacing the map goes back to. Emphasis for really strong beats through jumps is completely lost, as there are also jumps before weaker beats.
The rhythm is very dense and consists of a lot of overmapped triplets and extended sliders. Similar to the jumps, those take away the emphasis of triplets and streams that really fit the music and those feel like they were artificially inserted.
Examples for the above issue:
- 00:21:067 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - There are jumps between every pair of objects, even though this is not even the most intense section
- 00:52:371 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - All the triplets and extended sliders make the rhythm much more dense than it should be. Most of them are overmapped.
- 03:08:024 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - This section is a build-up too the chorus with strong emphasis on the white ticks, yet there are jumps between every objects
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It feels like you have simply interpreted the map differently to the mapper. This isn't a bad thing until you try to force upon your interpretation. The map may not have a basic spacing to return to, but rather a basic density. The softer parts of the song have a much lower density, the buildups are characterized by sharp consecutive jumps, and the chorus by its increased density that still sounds very much a part of the song. I feel that this is a good approach in this case because it highlights the changes in intensity, whilst keeping the softer parts of the song entertaining still for experienced players.Quality Assurance Team wrote: 3c1v6u
Disqualification Notice 6m1y
Hello!
Unfortunately, the Quality Assurance Team has decided to disqualify this beatmap. The following is a list of reasons and examples for the disqualification. We do not outline every issue in detail, so make sure to take the idea behind each reason and apply it to the entire beatmap as issues might be found in more than the spots mentioned below. If you have any questions, please reply to this post and we will do our best to clarify any misunderstandings.
captin's Extra
Lack of a concept regarding spacing and rhythm
The issues mentioned by Loctav have not been addressed - since it was an unsucessfully contested DQ, everything posted there must be fixed before it can proceed towards ranked status.
The difficulty still seems artificial and lacks a concept in many aspects; There are jumps between essentially all of the objects, so there is no basic spacing the map goes back to. Emphasis for really strong beats through jumps is completely lost, as there are also jumps before weaker beats.
The rhythm is very dense and consists of a lot of overmapped triplets and extended sliders. Similar to the jumps, those take away the emphasis of triplets and streams that really fit the music and those feel like they were artificially inserted.
Examples for the above issue:
- 00:21:067 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - There are jumps between every pair of objects, even though this is not even the most intense section - I disagree, I think it is wrong to even call these jumps considering the difficulty of the map, plus there needs to be space there to highlight the transition between quiet intro and the louder section with the "jumps," if they remained similar in spacing it would feel like the mapper isnt acknowledging the change in tone of the song
- 00:52:371 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - All the triplets and extended sliders make the rhythm much more dense than it should be. Most of them are overmapped. - I see where you are coming from, but once again i disagree on the basis that it makes it clear that the map has transitioned into the chorus. At the same time however I wouldn't call it overmapped because it still fits in with the music nicely. I like the fact that it isnt just trying to play to the beat of the music, but rather tries to be a part of the song, and I think it does it well.
- 03:08:024 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - This section is a build-up too the chorus with strong emphasis on the white ticks, yet there are jumps between every objects- Yes it is buildup, but it becomes more intense at 3:13 where the jumping becomes more intense as well, thus making the buildup clear. Between 3:08 and 3:13 the intensity doesn't change, but rather leads into another increase in intensity, so why should it be mapped in a way that suggests the contrary?
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Mercurial
k now that that's out of the way, on to the person who actually modded properlyQuality Assurance Team wrote: 3c1v6u
captin's Extra
Lack of a concept regarding spacing and rhythm
The issues mentioned by Loctav have not been addressed - since it was an unsucessfully contested DQ, everything posted there must be fixed before it can proceed towards ranked status.
The difficulty still seems artificial and lacks a concept in many aspects; There are jumps between essentially all of the objects, so there is no basic spacing the map goes back to. Emphasis for really strong beats through jumps is completely lost, as there are also jumps before weaker beats.
The rhythm is very dense and consists of a lot of overmapped triplets and extended sliders. Similar to the jumps, those take away the emphasis of triplets and streams that really fit the music and those feel like they were artificially inserted. All of this is addressed below.
Examples for the above issue:
- 00:21:067 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - There are jumps between every pair of objects, even though this is not even the most intense section Exactly as has been stated in the thread, the slider velocity of this section creates an overall faster cursor speed, and this is what determines whether or not a placement is a jump or not. There is very little variation in the general cursor speed of this section, and it is notably lower than later sections of the map. My mapping does not return to a "base spacing" per say. Rather, it relies on the differences between playing a slider vs. playing a circle, and the smooth flow style that I have developed and honed over the years. There are no flow breaks or heavy rhythmic emphasis sections during this, so I see no reason why this should have been pointed out.
- 00:52:371 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - All the triplets and extended sliders make the rhythm much more dense than it should be. Most of them are overmapped. Fun fact: nothing in here is overmapped, by the definition that we consider "overmapping." There is a constant 1/4 track in the music which I am basing my rhythm on. Furthermore, this is very weak reasoning, based purely on opinion. "Should be" implies that there is a "correct" way to map a section of music, which is completely destroying the work of so many mappers over the years, expanding the ideas and very definition of what mapping is and has become. The way of thinking that mapping is "art" , which I am a stout advocate for, causes me to believe that those who think that there are correct ways of mapping are elitist and close-minded.
- 03:08:024 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - This section is a build-up too the chorus with strong emphasis on the white ticks, yet there are jumps between every objects fixed from hinsvar's mod
disappointing that in all of this thread spam there's only hinsvar's mod post, guess people don't actually want to help and would rather create a mess for the fun of it.Hinsvar wrote: 5j1ku
ok lemme mod captin's diffQuality Assurance Team wrote: 3c1v6u
captin's Extra
Lack of a concept regarding spacing and rhythm
- 00:21:067 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,7) - There are jumps between every pair of objects, even though this is not even the most intense section Then? Doesn't Gaia's Extra diff employ jumps "every pair of objects" too? ittedly Gaia has the jumps more structured, but the patterns captin made are fine, really. The rhythm, though, is a completely different story...
- 00:52:371 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - All the triplets and extended sliders make the rhythm much more dense than it should be. Most of them are overmapped. I... have to agree with this, actually. I'll elaborate later.
- 03:08:024 (1,2,3,4,5,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3,4,5,6) - This section is a build-up too the chorus with strong emphasis on the white ticks, yet there are jumps between every objects I can understand what are you trying to say here, and yes, in a few cases, the constant jumps can feel kinda odd due to the fact that the drums are stronger on the white tick here. However, I don't think this is... like, super bad or something.
That's it.
- 00:21:067 (1,2) - I get it that you want to emphasize the instrument at 00:21:393 and you'll need an object you can click to properly emphasize it. However, (1) currently ends at... nothing, right now. It also ends at an irregular spot, which makes it weird to play this slider. What I'm trying to say by irregular here is the instruments are mainly played in a rhythm every half a beat, landing on the white and red ticks.
It'd be more natural to hit and play this slider entirely if you ended this on the red tick before the blue tick you're currently placing the end of the slider at (00:21:230) due to the reason I'm saying above. And you know, there is actually an instrument being played at 00:21:230 (although it's ittedly a faint one compared to 00:22:534, but it's there), but none at 00:21:312 (at least none that is played starting from this tick). Ending this on the blue tick will only cause awkwardness because you're not really emphasizing anything there. The whole point of the 3/4 slider is the lack of emphasis on the ending beat. Doing so creates more emphasis onto the note afterwards. Additionally, the fact that this object is a slider creates other ideas of emphasis other than simply where it starts and ends. The instrumental hold notes that are present on the downbeat of each phrase varies very slightly. At 00:21:067 (1) - and 00:23:676 (1) - the notes are slightly longer in length than at 00:22:371 (1) - , which is why I used a 1/2 slider for the latter rather than keeping to the 3/4 usage.
(This applies to stuff like 00:23:676 (1,2) and 00:24:980 (1,2); the latter also has the exact same instruments played as 00:22:371 (1,2), so why the usage of the 3/4 slider there?)- 00:32:806 (1,2) - Umm, there isn't even anything that'd give a valid reason to use a 3/4 slider here, such as any sound mapped by the circle that'd be weird if it were mapped with a slider's tail (in short, clickable objects). A 1/1 slider is definitely the best choice to map this spot, just like 00:34:111 (1). I don't know about you, but I definitely hear a note at 00:33:132 (2) -
This is used consistently throughout this section, however I will give some thought to changing it to a 1/2 slider if others wish me to do so
- 00:43:486 (2) - Now... why? Okay, this is actually an okay overmapping that I have to approve. However, the triplet at 00:43:730 (3,4,5) loses its emphasizing power of the instrument the circles are mapping because you just used an overmapped triplet the moment before it.
They might sound unrelated, yeah (I'm bad at explaining things like this lol), so I recommend you to just try comparing the current state of 00:43:241 (1,2,3,4,5,6) to how will it be if (2) didn't exist and you just made a jump between (1) and (3) instead. Trying it by yourself will be better. removed 2
(This also applies to 00:52:861 (3,4,5,6,7), 00:54:002 (2,3,4,5,6), and patterns with a similar rhythm.)- 00:46:339 (4,5,6,7) - The rhythm and the usage of the 1/4 jump is okay, but don't you think the flow is odd considering how the slider and circles are placed? I'd make the slider... point at (5), and make 00:46:502 (5,6,7)'s placement corresponds with how (4) is placed. Something like this, I guess. I don't believe that's necessary, since the flow won't actually change in play for that, and I have a sort of stylistic visual choice to avoid diagonal patterns like that.
- 00:54:002 (2,3,4,5,6) - I just mentioned this two points ago, but I felt the urge to mention it again. The overmapping doesn't go well with how the song rolls. It... just doesn't. I wish I could've elaborated this further, but it's impossible since it's pretty much because it doesn't "click" with the song's general rhythm, and that's it. Maybe it'd be better if the triplets began on the red ticks and end on the white ones (something like 00:52:861 (3,4,5)). I left the 1/4 slider since that doesn't have much actual effect on the rhythm and instead removed 5 entirely, making this more or less just a 1/2 jump section.
- 01:02:480 (1,1) - Use a 1/2 slider like this instead (I'm only showing the screenshot to show the rhythm; the placement is, of course, not the greatest choice)? Unlike 01:02:154 (1,2) where the 1/4 slider jumps would be really fitting with how the instruments are played, this one has a different music structure, and two 1/4 sliders with jumps between them definitely isn't the best choice to map this spot. I feel that would be extremely anti-climatic, and completely ruin the momentum that I am building up going into this next phrase. Additionally, going forward this pattern is further emphasized later on by a 1/4 synth run that would end up creating inconsistency if I changed it earlier and left it later.
- 01:26:284 (1) - Any reason why should this be... disted? I believe 01:25:632 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1) should just have a constant spacing. 00:52:045 (3,4,5,6,1) is acceptable (for me at least) because (1) is the beginning of the chorus, which is pretty strong, and a bigger spacing is okay to emphasize that, but this one doesn't really have any reason, especially considering (8) is a circle. This would've been acceptable if (7) and (8) were combined into a 1/4 slider, IMO. fixed, was probably a mistake tbh
- 01:28:241 (1,2,3,4,5) - ^ this was intentional, to give a sense of forward motion into this very jarring speed chage
- 02:05:415 (3,4) - This is purely an optional suggestion: How about combining them into a 3/4 slider to emphasize the instrument sound at 02:05:659 better (since it feels very different compared to the other instruments played at the second blue tick of a beat in this song)? It'd also help in making 02:05:741 (5) more accentuated. nice, did it for this and a later one
- 02:32:725 (1) - What makes you think this would fit in the group of objects of 02:32:480 (5,1,2)? I can't find any reason for this, so I thought it'd be cool to have more understanding about it. So my thought process for this was creating the double tap going into 02:32:806 (2) - in order to give emphasis to the vocal. And as for the pattern, it's simply just some drop off flow from 5 moving in a general upwards trend from before. Basically, creating emphasis with rhythm and a flow change rather than spacing.
- 02:51:638 - Why isn't this mapped? It's odd to just leave the instrument here unmapped because it's just as noticeable as 02:51:801. added
- 02:56:937 (7,8) - Honestly, I'm wondering why didn't you use 1/4 sliders or continue the 1/4 stream here considering how great they'd be emphasizing the instruments here. oo yea done
- 03:08:024 - 03:13:078 - I think the problem here doesn't lie on how this section has jumps between every object consistently, but more on the fact that you emphasized the stronger instruments with smaller jumps than the weaker instruments, which makes the accentuation of the instruments here happen in an inconsistent manner. This happens at:
At those spots, the jumps from the red tick to the white tick (from the weaker to stronger instrument sound) are smaller than the jumps from the white to red ticks (from the stronger to weaker sounds). This does make sense from how you explained it. I readjusted some rhythms. However, 03:09:002 (4,5,1) - is left as is, and is actually more consistent through this section now, since there are two clear melody notes here that I am mapping to. And the ending section has more jumps simply to start leading into the very jump heavy section after this.
- 03:08:676 (3,4,5)
- 03:11:121 (3,4,5)
- 03:12:100 (2,3,4)
But frankly, I think this isn't really that problematic anyway; I'm just sharing my thoughts here because I just... feel the need to.- 03:17:154 (1,2,3,4) - Are you sure on using such a big spacing in a section where the music is really weak? I can understand the spacing from (1) to (2), but (2,3,4) really has no reason for the wide jumps. Yes I am sure, because these are just 1/2 sliders. It's essentially the same as having 1/1 circles at edges of the map; while the spacing appears to be large, they're actually extremely easy to hit with solid cursor control.
- 03:25:306 (2,3) - 03:22:697 (3,4) is okay since there is actually a base (instrument sounds) you're mapping to, but there is nothing to map at the end of these sliders, and the sounds of the instrument on the red ticks are of the "solid" type (without any kind of elongated sound and ends on a "flat" note). I... personally won't recommend the usage of 1/4 sliders here. swapped 3 for a circle
- 03:28:241 (1,1) - Very minor stuff, but uh, try to make them not touch each other? oops
- 03:45:116 (4) - Why do an overmapping here while there is actually something to map at 03:45:442? This way it goes way better with the song's instruments (you don't map emptiness, but something actually in the song which sounds weird if left unmapped anyway). oops
I seriously hope you won't take this as an attack on your interpretation of the music. I respect how are you mapping the song with the rhythm and placement of the objects, but sometimes the map just... goes on its own way, going quite far from what the song presents. nah, everything you said has a lot of reasoning to it, there's just a couple things that I'm still staying stubborn on
Still though, I'd like to disagree with this statement. I believe captin won't just paste hard stuff here and there for the sake of it. He knows what he's doing; he just went... a little too far at times.Loctav wrote: 3n5266
Whereas the Extra has a multitude of concepts that were not composed together fluently, this one appears to have no real concept and is more of a compilation of difficult patterns for the sake of it.
Well uh, with that, I hope this will be requalified (and then ranked) without any more problems later
let's see where this goes from here
character count limits are stupid
Ok, let's go.
I hope it was helpful.
Good Luck, and no kd please because I already received a kd on this map 1 month ago.
- First, I guess I understood what the QAT said about 00:52:371 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - and many more patterns like this. They are not overmapped at all, and i want to set fire on the person that said they are. But, they are not really natural to play, it looks like forced difficulty especially with those 1/4 slider jumps with circles or anything else, and sometimes the spacing is not the same and that could be misleading. I got a lot of 100's on these sections and i was like "what ? all these 100 ?", I'm not really good at both accuracy and aiming, but that could be a pain to play for less skilled players.
But imo, that's not something that should be DQed and that belongs to modern mapping. - 01:04:437 (2,3) - The distance between these objects is too low compared to 01:03:621 (6,7) - which is less than 1 sec earlier, and as i said, it could be misleading and the player might hit 01:04:600 (3) - too early because he expected something spaced like 01:03:621 (6,7) - . (Assume the player is really noob at reading, like me). Same scenario for 01:13:893 (3,4,3,4) -
- 01:46:991 (6,1) - If i still follow your logic with emphasis, there should be more distance between these objects. If you look at the whole section, i don't really see any antijump on a strong beat, like this. So i guess it should be better if you keep the consistency with the way you use jumps.
- 02:25:795 (4,5) - And also, if i still follow your logic, there should be more distance between this 1/4 slider and this circle to keep the consistency with the previous kiai especially with 00:56:937 (4,5,6) - and 01:07:371 (3,4,5) - which are way more difficult than you did on the second kiai for the same sound. I suggest to move it somewhere like 408|152, i tested it and it plays nicely.
- 03:11:937 (1,2,3,4) - This looks a little overdone, there is nothing strong like vocals on red ticks, and playing a difficult jump pattern on nothing powerful excepted the white ticks you hitsounded is really weird. Consider making this jump easier to play, you can reduce the distance between each circles...
I hope it was helpful.
Good Luck, and no kd please because I already received a kd on this map 1 month ago.
everything fixed hah.
as for your first point yes, I understand that they are difficult patterns to play. this map is designed for those players who are able to do this well though, and I would rather cater to that crowd than to the masses, since there are so many easier maps in this set for others to play.
thanks!
as for your first point yes, I understand that they are difficult patterns to play. this map is designed for those players who are able to do this well though, and I would rather cater to that crowd than to the masses, since there are so many easier maps in this set for others to play.
thanks!
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Just opinions after a testplay
call me back
[captin's Extra]
- 00:57:263 (6,1) - Overlapping here make the angle become too sharp to play with after playing a more circular flow in 00:57:100 (5,6) - , I would suggest you to place 00:57:589 (1) higher, 00:57:915 (2) as well to fix ds if you are going to
- 02:20:578 (2) - I expected this slider to be ctrl+g after playing 02:20:089 (1,2), for me it is kinda misleading when 02:20:578 (2) is pointing downward instead
yea ds between 02:20:578 (2,1) have to be increased if you fixed this
call me back
fixed the first, the second I think should be left so that I don't have that massive increase in ds, the difficulty of the pattern is fine as is
thanks!
thanks!
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Disqualification Notice 6m1y
Hello!
Unfortunately, the Quality Assurance Team has decided to disqualify this beatmap. The following is a list of reasons and examples for the disqualification. We do not outline every issue in detail, so make sure to take the idea behind each reason and apply it to the entire beatmap as issues might be found in more than the spots mentioned below. If you have any questions, please reply to this post and we will do our best to clarify any misunderstandings.
General
Combo colors
Lack of concept regarding rhythms
Combo colors
The light grey combo color blends with the background too much which makes some of the hitobjects hardly visible.
Lack of concept regarding rhythms
The issues mentioned by Loctav and listed in the previous disqualification post have not been addressed properly again. Like stated previously, everything is mandatory to be fixed.
- 00:35:986 (4) - The song’s calm atmosphere does not call for such overmapping.
- 00:49:926 (2,3,4,2,3,4) - Overmapped. The music does not have anything in it that would justify these.
- 01:01:502 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,1) - This part is overmapped. The song does not have a constant 1/4 rhythm going on.
- 03:16:013 (2,3,4,2,3,4) - This case is similar to 00:49:926 (2,3,4,2,3,4) - just more extreme. There is literally nothing in the music, making this completely overmapped.
If you happen to have concerns about this disqualification, you can contest the decision with this form. Before using this form, please read the instructions carefully.
The Beatmap Nominators may handle this mapset after the issues have been addressed.
Good luck!
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Awh god, i don't want to see a new DQ record on this map ;w;
Btw i lost like 10 pps ;w;
Good luck on requalification process.
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Awh well, let's see what captin will say about these points you, the QAT, mentioned.
Btw i lost like 10 pps ;w;
Good luck on requalification process.
These 2 points about overmapping : it depends on the context and these triples work, they are natural to play and I understood what captin wants to do here with those triples. Adding extra triples that, apparently do not fit the song is not that bad, it just depends on the context.Quality Assurance Team wrote: 3c1v6u
- 00:49:926 (2,3,4,2,3,4) - Overmapped. The music does not have anything in it that would justify these. Blue ticks are audible if you listen to them carefully, but due to the vocal, it's difficult to hear the sound on blue ticks
- 03:16:013 (2,3,4,2,3,4) - This case is similar to 00:49:926 (2,3,4,2,3,4) - just more extreme. There is literally nothing in the music, making this completely overmapped. same as ^
Awh well, let's see what captin will say about these points you, the QAT, mentioned.
I swear to god if the general public starts throwing another fit in the thread without contributing meaningfully I will bring in someone much less lenient in moderation to clean up.
It's disappointing how selective and directly targeted the dq's are on this map. The amount of close-minded stubbornness and double standards going on here is completely ridiculous, and only serves to continue undermining what little credibility the QAT has left, and clearly shows how much of blind puppets to Loctav they truly are. It's sickening that this is the officially sanctioned system that we are running now. I hope for the future of this game (if it has any) that we will not remain in this system for much longer.
It's disappointing how selective and directly targeted the dq's are on this map. The amount of close-minded stubbornness and double standards going on here is completely ridiculous, and only serves to continue undermining what little credibility the QAT has left, and clearly shows how much of blind puppets to Loctav they truly are. It's sickening that this is the officially sanctioned system that we are running now. I hope for the future of this game (if it has any) that we will not remain in this system for much longer.
Well, the discussion for a disqualification is always done by more than one QAT member ("discussion" gives a hint about it), so it'd feel kinda wrong for an individual QAT member to post it as it may imply that the DQ is done by the member's own discretion.- Ping - wrote: 6t5mf
The feature that helps QAT hide their name while writting post shouldn't used anymore , this is becoming more and more shit right now ....
The light gray color can be a little darker, I guess, but it doesn't impact gameplay a lot. Also, while 00:35:986 (4) and 03:16:013 (2,3,4) + 03:16:502 (2,3,4) are indeed not fittingly overmapped (in the former case, there is no instrument sound that starts or lands there, and for the latter, I believe the notes on the blue ticks are incorrectly placed; they should've been placed to the previous blue tick of each respective note instead), the other two are perfectly okay, and overall, while there were a few valid points from the DQ post, I still don't think this map is that problematic rhythm-wise anymore...
While I'm here (again), I think I'll point out more stuff for captin's diff...
- 01:16:909 (6,7) - Visual spacing inconsistency? , the SV multiplier changes here.
- 02:30:850 (5,6,7,8,9) - This stream shape looks unaesthetic tbh
- 02:34:111 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Why did you overmap 02:34:355 and then just leave all the other sounds on the blue tick in this one combo unmapped? You can try to map 02:35:007 at least since it sounds quite noticeable (although it will definitely break the pattern here).
- 02:39:165 (7) - There is nothing at 02:39:246, but there's something at 02:39:083. Mind telling why is the rhythm made like this?
- 02:44:464 (8) - Same case as the one above; there is an instrument sound to map on the previous blue tick (02:44:301).
- 02:51:475 - Might as well map this because 02:51:393 - 02:51:882 has a series of instrument notes every 1/4 beats that sounds constantly strong enough.
- 03:17:806 (3) - When I talked about how big the jump is, what I'm really talking about is how big it is compared to how the pitch of the instruments go up and down here, which isn't that drastic to a massive distance difference. Maybe try moving this to (409,277)?
- 03:20:904 (8) - Same as 02:39:165 (7).
- 04:05:415 - end - Maybe you'd like to map the instruments on the blue ticks here, as they're quite noticeable? Triplets will create more variance of rhythm in this section, too, and I believe that's a good thing since they fit with the song and makes this part less flat.
I hope this gets back quickly.
Just a little rant, I'm almost getting tired of the drama around this map and the inefficiency of how this map - and maps with extra's in general - is handled by the QAT.Quality Assurance Team wrote: 3c1v6u
General
Combo colors
captin's Extra
The light grey combo color blends with the background too much which makes some of the hitobjects hardly visible.
Lack of concept regarding rhythms
The issues mentioned by Loctav and listed in the previous disqualification post have not been addressed properly again. Like stated previously, everything is mandatory to be fixed.
- 00:35:986 (4) - The song’s calm atmosphere does not call for such overmapping. I don't see how this is a must-fix at all, it fits properly to the intensifying clap-sound . In of density and flow this section plays really smooth already and certainly is less motion-heavy than the more intense parts of the map.
- 00:49:926 (2,3,4,2,3,4) - Overmapped. The music does not have anything in it that would justify these. I partly agree that 00:50:007 (3,3) - are not beats you will hear out particularly in the track, but this part is a really intense build-up to the kiai and the triples this really well without butchering the music. I agree with CB at this point.
- 01:01:502 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,1) - This part is overmapped. The song does not have a constant 1/4 rhythm going on. Okay, I kind of agree with this, this section was a bit over the top for what the music had to offer, especially 01:02:154 (1,2,1,1) - where I couldn't really see an increase of tension in the track either. But please, elaborate earlier on issues like these QATs and not in the 3rd or 4th DQ post. I suppose the same goes for 02:19:763 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,1) - then?
- 03:16:013 (2,3,4,2,3,4) - This case is similar to 00:49:926 (2,3,4,2,3,4) - just more extreme. There is literally nothing in the music, making this completely overmapped. Same reasoning as in 00:49:926 (2,3,4,2,3,4) -, only notes that aren't clearly audible in the track are 03:16:094 (3,3) - and the triples still work fine here due to rhythm consistency with above one.
If you ever need from me on this diff again Gaia/captin, feel free to call me back.
Okay, time for a remod.
Last time I was suggesting things according to your own logic. Now i will tell you my own opinions, feel free to deny what you want, but please give a reason.
Good luck with requalification process ~
Last time I was suggesting things according to your own logic. Now i will tell you my own opinions, feel free to deny what you want, but please give a reason.
- 00:14:219 (3,1) - I'd like to see more distance between these objects to make sure there is a different gap between 00:13:730 (2,3) - and 00:14:219 (3,1) - (3/4 and 1/1) like you did there 00:16:828 (3,1) - .
- 00:32:806 (1,2) - Here, a 3/4 with a circle does not really fit the song, there is nothing really audible on the blue tick when you can hear something on the red tick here 00:32:969 - . It could be better if you use a 1/1 or a 1/2 slider instead of a 1/4 slider here. And following the continuous vocal is not really a good idea because we don't really know on which tick it ends. Same for 00:35:415 (1,2) - and many more.
- 01:02:643 (1) - Here, i don't understand why there is a NC here, it may be confusing with 01:02:806 (1) - or 01:02:317 (2) - , but when playing it is not. But if you don't have any reason to add a NC 01:02:643 (1) - just remove it. and same for 02:20:904 (1) - or 03:28:730 (1) - or 03:54:817 (1) -
- 01:33:621 (6,7) - There should be more distance between these circles to provide a better motion, i mean the player will not have the feeling that there is an antijump here, visually, the distance between 01:33:458 (5,6) - is longer than 01:33:621 (6,7) - (i said visually), so there should be more distance between 01:33:621 (6,7) - visually.
- 01:34:111 - to 01:38:187 - IMO, during this section you should avoid 1/4 sliders like 01:34:926 (4) - , even if they follow the song, they do not really fit the atmosphere and the intensity of this part, If you don't really want to avoid them, you should nerf the distance between the 1/4 slider and the next object.
- 01:49:763 - to 01:54:980 - If you compare this part and the second : 01:54:980 - to 02:00:197 - You can see that the first one is a little more difficult than the second one, because there is more density and more 3/4 sliders. You should make things more or less consistent, for example, why there is a jump here 01:50:741 (4,5) - and not here 01:55:958 (4,5) - ? They have the same intensity and they are at the same point on each part.
- 02:55:632 (3,4) - wow, i didn't notice that before. This could be really misleading here due to the tons of patterns with 1/4 sliders and sliderjumps you used. there should be more distance between these objects because the gap between them is 1/2 and visually it could be considered as 1/4 and that's not really comfortable to play, especially when you have this after the slider 02:56:203 (5,1) -
Good luck with requalification process ~
I'm here too, I guess, because I'm annoyed of seeing captin's diff DQ'd over and over again, so I'll just try and mod this to the best of my ability (which is insanely little, seeing as how I can't even read AR9.5 
). Keep in mind that these are purely suggestions, so take them with a grain of salt. Also, Kiais are fair game here, so I don't think I'll judge those seeing as how emphasis from first glance appears to be mostly fine with this.
00:04:111 (1,2) - This seems a bit harsh to me. I mean, the song is still in its introduction stage and already you're making the players snap much more significantly than what they did before. If 2 was closer to 1, perhaps like here instead, the new combo afterwards could transition better into the next part in of overall emphasis, while keeping the intro more consistent.
00:09:491 (2,3) - You seem to be mapping the 1/4s here. That's fine. However, perhaps there's a better way to make this work (other than using a 1/4 slider, which is ideally not completed for the sake of better flow), because players aren't exactly experiencing the 1/4, making it less effective as a pattern in relation to the music. Maybe, if 2 were flipped around, and moved slightly towards 3 a bit like this then the 1/4s could be played a bit better, or maybe if this was just a 1/4 triplet it would work, but that's up to you.
00:31:176 (8,1) - Also, I feel as if this is too harsh considering the transition to a particularly calm part of the song. If you move 1 slightly closer (maybe 2-3 grids' worth of distance or so) to the sliderend of 8, and move 2's sliderstart accordingly, the transition becomes a bit smoother and more noticeable overall, and doesn't meld the two parts together in of difficulty and emphasis.
00:45:850 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - The spacing in this combo overall is also quite...odd. The first three notes are fine, but the rest seem a bit too much for a bridge to the Kiai, and while this is indeed a really hard Extra, I think that having 1/4s right after a slider being this far away and having them almost completely stop is a bit too emphasis-happy for a relatively consistent part like this. Perhaps if the 1/4s were spaced out slightly farther to make less of a sudden shift of motion and move 8 accordingly somewhat like this you could keep the consistency a little more.
00:47:154 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - A lack of movement which suddenly peaks in the next 2 notes, and all of the notes in this part are of similar emphasis. At least build up the DS on these 2 combos to the 2-note combo so that the emphasis becomes more consistent within the map, seeing as how you remain fairly confident with high-spacing emphasis on particular things. I mean, 00:49:600 (4,1) - is fair game since vocals reach a peak here, so perhaps consider adding more movement here?
01:23:676 (1) - and 01:26:284 (1) - both seem to have very drastic SV changes. I get this, but maybe having 0.6x -> 1.3x both times is a bit too much of a change, particularly on the first one where more of the song plays out, so at the very least consider changing the first one to 0.65-0.7x.
01:33:458 (5,6) - This distance change seems way too much for a low-key point in the song, and as CB said just before me, the next note feels very much like an anti-jump that shouldn't really be an anti-jump. Perhaps if this DS was reduced, the next note will be a bit more readable as a result.
01:46:665 (4,5,6) - Perhaps 4 should have a slightly reduced distance towards 5 so that way the three notes can have a gradual build up of impact, because as it stands 4 has more spacing to 5 than 5 does to 6, and that doesn't seem like it works in of build up.
01:47:154 (1,2) - Not that high-key in relation to the song, and the spacing here is very high, especially due to the fact that there is no better way to do this combo than to not bother with the slider as I mentioned earlier. This time, I'm not too sure of a way to make it better, but try something like this to bring 1 a little closer to 2 while keeping the spacing and emphasis of the new combo as it was meant to be.
01:49:111 (5,6) - Again, people will not bother with the slider, and like before the 1/4 has less effect because of it. If you were to flip the slider around, adjust the position of it significantly in order to retain proper build up and relative spacing to 6. Kinda like how the last suggestion went, so no need to screenshot this, I think.
01:49:763 (1,2,3) - The spacing changes in this part are significant, and like the last time a transition was mentioned, this makes it less smooth, unless people don't play the slider, but there was clearly something in the song that needed to be mapped, which you did, but let's see. Try flipping 2, move it so that the spacing for 1/4 doesn't completely overwhelm the player on such a calm part, and that should work, maybe like this but in a more refined way.
02:02:480 (6,7,1) - How come 7 is very harshly positioned when compared to the next 1? Causes a dead stop and emphasis on the 1/4, and the main vocal does not really land here. The same positioning happens with 02:06:719 (1,2,3,4) - and again causes a sudden shift in motion that doesn't relate to the song that well, imo (all 5 notes within the song have around the same importance but you really only put it on 2 of them for the sake of higher spacing).
02:49:763 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) - Comparing these two combos with each other (I know I cut out the 2nd combo, but this is the important stuff), we see that the first one has far higher spacing than the second, while the song doesn't appear to have much more going on in the first combo. My suggestion here is to slightly increase the second combo's spacing to come a little closer to the first in of snappy motion and again allows for more consistency, but since there is clearly more in the first combo than the second and this part is still very emphasised as a whole, this is just a very minor thing.
03:13:241 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Same as the suggestion from just before the first Kiai, but the movement does clearly increase here according to the song so it's your call on whether you want to give the 1/2 doublets some movement by themselves or keep them as they are.
Anyways, whatever I guess. Let's hope this doesn't get Disqualified again. Good luck with the map. This was just a basic mod from me, because I felt like it.
). Keep in mind that these are purely suggestions, so take them with a grain of salt. Also, Kiais are fair game here, so I don't think I'll judge those seeing as how emphasis from first glance appears to be mostly fine with this.00:04:111 (1,2) - This seems a bit harsh to me. I mean, the song is still in its introduction stage and already you're making the players snap much more significantly than what they did before. If 2 was closer to 1, perhaps like here instead, the new combo afterwards could transition better into the next part in of overall emphasis, while keeping the intro more consistent.
00:09:491 (2,3) - You seem to be mapping the 1/4s here. That's fine. However, perhaps there's a better way to make this work (other than using a 1/4 slider, which is ideally not completed for the sake of better flow), because players aren't exactly experiencing the 1/4, making it less effective as a pattern in relation to the music. Maybe, if 2 were flipped around, and moved slightly towards 3 a bit like this then the 1/4s could be played a bit better, or maybe if this was just a 1/4 triplet it would work, but that's up to you.
00:31:176 (8,1) - Also, I feel as if this is too harsh considering the transition to a particularly calm part of the song. If you move 1 slightly closer (maybe 2-3 grids' worth of distance or so) to the sliderend of 8, and move 2's sliderstart accordingly, the transition becomes a bit smoother and more noticeable overall, and doesn't meld the two parts together in of difficulty and emphasis.
00:45:850 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - The spacing in this combo overall is also quite...odd. The first three notes are fine, but the rest seem a bit too much for a bridge to the Kiai, and while this is indeed a really hard Extra, I think that having 1/4s right after a slider being this far away and having them almost completely stop is a bit too emphasis-happy for a relatively consistent part like this. Perhaps if the 1/4s were spaced out slightly farther to make less of a sudden shift of motion and move 8 accordingly somewhat like this you could keep the consistency a little more.
00:47:154 (1,2,3,1,2,3) - A lack of movement which suddenly peaks in the next 2 notes, and all of the notes in this part are of similar emphasis. At least build up the DS on these 2 combos to the 2-note combo so that the emphasis becomes more consistent within the map, seeing as how you remain fairly confident with high-spacing emphasis on particular things. I mean, 00:49:600 (4,1) - is fair game since vocals reach a peak here, so perhaps consider adding more movement here?
01:23:676 (1) - and 01:26:284 (1) - both seem to have very drastic SV changes. I get this, but maybe having 0.6x -> 1.3x both times is a bit too much of a change, particularly on the first one where more of the song plays out, so at the very least consider changing the first one to 0.65-0.7x.
01:33:458 (5,6) - This distance change seems way too much for a low-key point in the song, and as CB said just before me, the next note feels very much like an anti-jump that shouldn't really be an anti-jump. Perhaps if this DS was reduced, the next note will be a bit more readable as a result.
01:46:665 (4,5,6) - Perhaps 4 should have a slightly reduced distance towards 5 so that way the three notes can have a gradual build up of impact, because as it stands 4 has more spacing to 5 than 5 does to 6, and that doesn't seem like it works in of build up.
01:47:154 (1,2) - Not that high-key in relation to the song, and the spacing here is very high, especially due to the fact that there is no better way to do this combo than to not bother with the slider as I mentioned earlier. This time, I'm not too sure of a way to make it better, but try something like this to bring 1 a little closer to 2 while keeping the spacing and emphasis of the new combo as it was meant to be.
01:49:111 (5,6) - Again, people will not bother with the slider, and like before the 1/4 has less effect because of it. If you were to flip the slider around, adjust the position of it significantly in order to retain proper build up and relative spacing to 6. Kinda like how the last suggestion went, so no need to screenshot this, I think.
01:49:763 (1,2,3) - The spacing changes in this part are significant, and like the last time a transition was mentioned, this makes it less smooth, unless people don't play the slider, but there was clearly something in the song that needed to be mapped, which you did, but let's see. Try flipping 2, move it so that the spacing for 1/4 doesn't completely overwhelm the player on such a calm part, and that should work, maybe like this but in a more refined way.
02:02:480 (6,7,1) - How come 7 is very harshly positioned when compared to the next 1? Causes a dead stop and emphasis on the 1/4, and the main vocal does not really land here. The same positioning happens with 02:06:719 (1,2,3,4) - and again causes a sudden shift in motion that doesn't relate to the song that well, imo (all 5 notes within the song have around the same importance but you really only put it on 2 of them for the sake of higher spacing).
02:49:763 (1,2,3,4,5,6,1,2,3) - Comparing these two combos with each other (I know I cut out the 2nd combo, but this is the important stuff), we see that the first one has far higher spacing than the second, while the song doesn't appear to have much more going on in the first combo. My suggestion here is to slightly increase the second combo's spacing to come a little closer to the first in of snappy motion and again allows for more consistency, but since there is clearly more in the first combo than the second and this part is still very emphasised as a whole, this is just a very minor thing.
03:13:241 (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8) - Same as the suggestion from just before the first Kiai, but the movement does clearly increase here according to the song so it's your call on whether you want to give the 1/2 doublets some movement by themselves or keep them as they are.
Anyways, whatever I guess. Let's hope this doesn't get Disqualified again. Good luck with the map. This was just a basic mod from me, because I felt like it.
The 1/4 track wasn't thrown in by the artist for no reason, it's intended to compliment the rest of the song. captin took advantage of this to place special emphasis on certain beats throughout the map with triplets and kick sliders. It's a very unique interpretation compared to the lower difficulties, but it's executed amazingly well.Quality Assurance Team wrote: 3c1v6u
- 03:16:013 (2,3,4,2,3,4) - This case is similar to 00:49:926 (2,3,4,2,3,4) - just more extreme. There is literally nothing in the music, making this completely overmapped. I don't even understand what you guys mean by "completely" and "more extreme," it's either overmapped or it's not. Anyone could clearly hear hi-hat sounds on these triplets so they are perfectly justified. The switch from a 1/4 to 1/2 tapping rhythm makes 00:49:763 (1,1) - MUCH more satisfying to hit, so removing them wouldn't even be an improvement.
Mapping could be considered as a form of art, which will never thrive under such an obstinate ranking system.
I do agree that the "overmapped" judgements are possibly over-the-top, but if you think this then follow it up in the thread. Don't fucking throw the towel. Don't fucking dismiss the whole system. Go about fixing the problem.
(for those about to suggest that i'm "raging", i wrote all the above posts while sipping a coffee and enjoying an amazingly peaceful and cool morning. the caps and language are all placed to try and get your attention. enjoy.)
(for those about to suggest that i'm "raging", i wrote all the above posts while sipping a coffee and enjoying an amazingly peaceful and cool morning. the caps and language are all placed to try and get your attention. enjoy.)
Slow down y'all. It's more effective to look closely at issues.
So uh, gonna go through the post.
00:35:986 (4) - The song’s calm atmosphere does not call for such overmapping.
- - - - - The buildup to the clap noise seems to have its automation set to change volume specifically on blue ticks... So it sharply increases in volume at that beat (if you have trouble hearing it, slow it down). It's a really obscure beat, though. This is a maybe.
00:49:926 (2,3,4,2,3,4) - Overmapped. The music does not have anything in it that would justify these.
- - - - - I can hear a beat in my left ear on the 3's. Turn up the volume and pay attention to the left ear, there's definitely something there. This is a no.
01:01:502 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,1) - This part is overmapped. The song does not have a constant 1/4 rhythm going on.
- - - - - Mapped to the synth vibration,, subtle but also ed by background drums. I think that's why he chose sliderends, haha! This is a no.
03:16:013 (2,3,4,2,3,4) - This case is similar to 00:49:926 (2,3,4,2,3,4) - just more extreme. There is literally nothing in the music, making this completely overmapped.
- - - - - Tough to say here. 03:16:094 - I don't hear anything here, but, 03:16:583 - I do hear something impacting on the blue tick. It's so, so, so quiet though. This is a yes, I'm pretty sure this part would be better off as 1/2.
So basically, maybe to the first point (so subtle, hardly noticeable), and yes to the last point (it's really not noticeable at all).
So that's my analysis, please don't follow it word for word, though, instead go into the map yourself and try to figure out what's going on. The more ears the better.
So uh, gonna go through the post.
00:35:986 (4) - The song’s calm atmosphere does not call for such overmapping.
- - - - - The buildup to the clap noise seems to have its automation set to change volume specifically on blue ticks... So it sharply increases in volume at that beat (if you have trouble hearing it, slow it down). It's a really obscure beat, though. This is a maybe.
00:49:926 (2,3,4,2,3,4) - Overmapped. The music does not have anything in it that would justify these.
- - - - - I can hear a beat in my left ear on the 3's. Turn up the volume and pay attention to the left ear, there's definitely something there. This is a no.
01:01:502 (1,2,1,2,1,2,1,1) - This part is overmapped. The song does not have a constant 1/4 rhythm going on.
- - - - - Mapped to the synth vibration,, subtle but also ed by background drums. I think that's why he chose sliderends, haha! This is a no.
03:16:013 (2,3,4,2,3,4) - This case is similar to 00:49:926 (2,3,4,2,3,4) - just more extreme. There is literally nothing in the music, making this completely overmapped.
- - - - - Tough to say here. 03:16:094 - I don't hear anything here, but, 03:16:583 - I do hear something impacting on the blue tick. It's so, so, so quiet though. This is a yes, I'm pretty sure this part would be better off as 1/2.
So basically, maybe to the first point (so subtle, hardly noticeable), and yes to the last point (it's really not noticeable at all).
So that's my analysis, please don't follow it word for word, though, instead go into the map yourself and try to figure out what's going on. The more ears the better.
That was meant to be taken lightly, as a parody to what Gaia has written on the description of the map, nobody likes getting their map DQ'edpeppy wrote: 6w4l42
Mapping ain't a happy thing? Because you ahve this vision in your head that YOU ARE ALWAYS RIGHT AND KNOW THE BEST. How about you get down off your wang horse and learn to accept constructive criticism?
. As for the wall of text I wrote earlier, you most likely didn't read it since you deleted every post that didn't have a timing point, even though it said everything you pretty much just outlined with your 4 posts.
i didn't and wasn't planning on deleting anything. i just addressed a few posts quickly because fucked if i'm going to reply to each individual complaint. let's stay on topic for the sake of the creator of this map, though.Spaghetti wrote: 411b2e
That was meant to be taken lightly, as a parody to what Gaia has written on the description of the map, nobody likes getting their map DQ'ed
Where did "fuck a donkey" come from? xDpeppy wrote: 6w4l42
fuck a donkey
*on a more serious note..*
Even there are some parts of the map that are sorta overmapped, it won't be hard to re-rank the map again since there is so very few changes to make.
Good luck re-ranking the map guys! Would love to see it ranked for good next time.
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I can't really hear a beat on the blue ticks even with 25% speed. However a possible solution would be in my opinion a slider + circle combo instead of a tripple since there is a sound that holds on onto the blue tick. So playwise you'd hit to the 1/2 notes which are clearly hearable.Charles445 wrote: 2362o
00:49:926 (2,3,4,2,3,4) - Overmapped. The music does not have anything in it that would justify these.
- - - - - I can hear a beat in my left ear on the 3's. Turn up the volume and pay attention to the left ear, there's definitely something there. This is a no.
Shohei Ohtani
Reditum wrote: 2k259
Hello peppy!
In the future, if you would like to made an additional point directly after your last, please avoid double posting and instead use the edit feature on the bottom righthand side of the post!
Thank you!
more importantly..
yeah, its officialpeppy wrote: 6w4l42
THE THINGS WRITTEN BY QATS ARE NOT FINAL>
Mercurial
Nice alumni you had there.captin1 wrote: 4j864
I swear to god if the general public starts throwing another fit in the thread without contributing meaningfully I will bring in someone much less lenient in moderation to clean up.
It's disappointing how selective and directly targeted the dq's are on this map. The amount of close-minded stubbornness and double standards going on here is completely ridiculous, and only serves to continue undermining what little credibility the QAT has left, and clearly shows how much of blind puppets to Loctav they truly are. It's sickening that this is the officially sanctioned system that we are running now. I hope for the future of this game (if it has any) that we will not remain in this system for much longer.
Time to rank this again, I think.
peppy wrote: 6w4l42
THE THINGS WRITTEN BY QATS ARE NOT FINAL>
p/4450747Quality Assurance Team wrote: 3c1v6u
The issues mentioned by Loctav and listed in the previous disqualification post have not been addressed properly again. Like stated previously, everything is mandatory to be fixed.
so does this mean we can hacve this map ranked now or what
Mercurial
Mercurial
Uh not to intervene or anything but "wang horse" isn't exactly constructive, just saying.peppy wrote: 6w4l42
Mapping ain't a happy thing? Because you ahve this vision in your head that YOU ARE ALWAYS RIGHT AND KNOW THE BEST. How about you get down off your wang horse and learn to accept constructive criticism?
Also QAT posts ARE final because the map will just keep getting DQ'd if you don't fix what they tell you to fix.
Lastly, I don't think raging in the thread actually helps the map improve so I'm kinda confused as to why that happened. People tend to get really salty when there's any DQ drama and it's generally the mapper and a few people vs. the QAT and a few people and I don't really understand why nobody learns from this. I think osu staff should really work on taking criticism since it goes both ways, especially the QAT have to be very careful about their reasons for DQ and their requirements for reQ or you're just making the mapper's life miserably hard. peppy said that QATs are checking your map for free but for the record @peppy mappers are also making the map for free, and if there are no maps made then there are no maps to check and if our mappers ever give up on mapping we end up with a wastelanded game where nothing new ever happens.
I don't think the rage at the mappers is necessary nor do I think any of this situation was necessary, and none of it would've happened if both mappers and osu staff were more open to criticism. But I really, really don't think raging ever helps. If peppy was a normal his posts would've been removed by Garven for sure. I don't think that's okay but that's just my opinion, and many people have the feeling that their opinions are ignored in favor of other opinions. Just saying, I don't think either side is right but the side with more power could definitely show some more humility and patience. The staff sets the example, if all they do is argue then all the community will do is argue back. If they show patience and try their best to be objective and respectful then eventually the community will start respecting them more back. It's a two-way thing, and I don't think a staff can force their community to respect them, at least not in a game community where everyone is free to leave whenever they want.
Sorry for the walls but I'm kinda tired of hearing "oh look at this map DQ drama" "look at this peppy rage post" "oh look what happened here" "lol drama on a HW map". It's the same thing every time and it keeps happening because people don't listen to each other from any side. We also need to make it more clear how "final" the QAT posts are because it's already been pointed out that there seems to be a miscommunication there. I honestly don't have faith in this system anymore considering the drama DQs and what I see actually making it to ranked (which isn't exactly high quality while lots of good stuff doesn't make it for arbitrary reasons). Clearly it doesn't work but I don't expect any replacements anytime soon.
Anyway good luck getting this ranked and sorry if I offended anyone, no intention to do that here. Just posting some thoughts.
on a serious note i'd look into this map and if you need it try to give some suggestions