Thing O Doom wrote: 2g1s27

How can I get better at LNs? Because quite frankly I suck at them.

Think I'm about your level, maybe a bit better at LNs, so here's what I think:
I find LNs to be the hardest skill for me too, because there's simply more on the screen and you have to be thinking about when to take your fingers off as well.
Play some LN-y maps: ones which use LNs simply, in beat with chords. REDALiCE - Acceleration comes to mind.

Thing O Doom wrote: 2g1s27

I just dunno how to get a feel for holds I suppose. Also I keep my read speed super low, like usually 6 for high bpm maps, and 8 for slower, is this a problem?

That seems incredibly slow! I play around 13 on my 21" 1920x1080 monitor, arms breadth away if any of that changes things. Slow read speed for LNs is killer, because it's harder to see where to let go. For reference, I play Acceleration at 14 (little faster than I normally play, but I do well).


tl;dr play more of what you suck at. LNs come with experience, in my (short) experience.

Scrolling speeds are weird as heck. I've seen some players who play at a fairly low speed (I'm looking at you Charles445) that does pretty well.

I think it's really whatever the player's comfortable with. I like mine somewhat fast (12x at 200bpm, 14x at 180bpm, etc)

@Remi94
You could try going for RD sometimes if you want. As for hitting walls, that rest is also part of training. You could try to take a break (3-5 days maybe?) You'll be surprised how different playing would feel after the break.

Stairs would be very hard if you always play in random (since if technically the chart is full of stairs, then random would, well, randomize it). I'm not sure how I trained on stairs, but I playing relatively easy songs that are mainly stair-oriented without RD.

A lot of info could be found in Drace's thread. You could refer to it. There are quite a number of questions answered there.

@Akihiko
That's alright, and thanks ^^

(That is pretty neat!)

@firefwing
I'll try to check them out when I have the motivation... thanks for the !

Thing O Doom wrote: 2g1s27

How can I get better at LNs? Because quite frankly I suck at them.

I just dunno how to get a feel for holds I suppose. Also I keep my read speed super low, like usually 6 for high bpm maps, and 8 for slower, is this a problem?

I would go with what Muffin Man said. Play some LN-y maps that are simple. It doesn't matter how dense it is (stairs, double stairs, triple), as long as it is relatively simple to play and understand, go for it.

If you want info for Full LN maps (throughout the song you hold LNs), then you'd have to start from 0 again because it's a different world.

@Scrolling speed
For this one... it shouldn't matter at all on what speed you play. If you are used to speed 6, then 6 is normal to you and 8 is fast. If you are used to speed 10, then 10 is normal to you and 12 is fast. It's all relative anyway.

The only time you would have to worry about scroll speed is when playing retarded maps (In my experience, found mostly in the o2-world). But even then, most of the time you'd only have to worry about your relative slow-scroll reading. With that said, I'm pretty good in slow and normal scroll speed because of those retarded maps.

@Entozer:
Nice list at all. Love it

@Nekro:
You can try to find the most comfortable speed for yourself by add or subtract the speed.
And also, you can create your own minimum and maximum speed.

For example, my current speed when playing a map are x13 for 200 BPM and x15 for 180 BPM. Then, I make my speed range between 2.6K - 2.7K.
But when play Lily - Scarlet Rose (320 BPM), I play with 2 option (with x8 and x9). Realize that x9 is too fast and can't to be played, I change the speed to x8 and also change the speed range into 2.5K - 2.7K.
How about the 100 BPM? You can pick one of the 2 speed option; either x25 or x26 as long as the speed is in your speed range and you can play comfortably.

Once you get your own speed range, you can apply it into entire Beatmaps you want to play.
So you can't get dizzy easily and enjoy the game

ShinHikari wrote: 4g2b19

@Nekro:
You can try to find the most comfortable speed for yourself by add or subtract the speed.
And also, you can create your own minimum and maximum speed.

For example, my current speed when playing a map are x13 for 200 BPM and x15 for 180 BPM. Then, I make my speed range between 2.6K - 2.7K.
But when play Lily - Scarlet Rose (320 BPM), I play with 2 option (with x8 and x9). Realize that x9 is too fast and can't to be played, I change the speed to x8 and also change the speed range into 2.5K - 2.7K.
How about the 100 BPM? You can pick one of the 2 speed option; either x25 or x26 as long as the speed is in your speed range and you can play comfortably.

Once you get your own speed range, you can apply it into entire Beatmaps you want to play.
So you can't get dizzy easily and enjoy the game

Yeah, I got that figured out

This thread is really helping me out on improving my skills and some of the songs are really helping me with my problems on LNs. This is just what I needed, just a few days ago I've been beating my personal records after practicing with the suggested maps. Thanks a lot for posting this!
(it looks like Gamebrain is missing, everytime I click the link it says that the beatmap was not found)

Thanks for this thread. :3

Awesome thread, except one thing... In Beginner 3, on Chain Destruction, I get about 94%, and on the one right below, Flowe Flag, I get 74%. Is it just me, or Flower flag is just way harder? It's weird to me, since they're in the same difficulty :v

Appreciating this thread entozerrr. Keep up the work

ento stap bein lezy ass

Envisionise wrote: 152a3e

Finished Expert 8's Nou Shou + Heart of Witch, but I still can't do xepher or music revolver which are expert 6 and 7 :c

Finished as in survived or good rank?

Taadashi wrote: 311l4s

Envisionise wrote: 152a3e

Finished Expert 8's Nou Shou + Heart of Witch, but I still can't do xepher or music revolver which are expert 6 and 7 :c

Finished as in survived or good rank?

Survived haha, I'm not sure how you would get rank on those though

By the way, most unranked songs that are now deleted should be available from http://bloodcat.com/osu/ .

since the start i have always been scared of trying 7k, just stuck with 4k since it has been fun now with this new keyboard i am expanding out, my 5k is alright 4k is quite good still can always improve, thanks to this guide i am actually enjoying 7k and am not scared of it anymore, 8k and 6k though im playing them and after 50 replays of some maps since there isnt much map variety not getting anywhere, i am going to try lr2 with some suggested songs and hope that helps, any more advice on finding a good way to learn these keys would help

p.s. im glad this is introducing me to nonautoconverts right away and starting to teach different patterns right from the start with enough ease that i can move into it and slowly get better c:

oath sign lv .3 cant be found will post more as i find
chain de/struction is being treated as a bad link idk if thats just me though
shinseitaiju lv .5 missing link

beginner 4 is easier then some beginner 3 songs i find personally

All these deleted maps I checked the Korean website but I couldn't find them there. Is there any way at all to find Game Brain and shinseitaiju?

katphish wrote: 4i104n

All these deleted maps I checked the Korean website but I couldn't find them there. Is there any way at all to find Game Brain and shinseitaiju?

Shiraishi - Shinseitaiju

I'd post Game Brain as well but I cba starting the game to export the mapset lol.

PyaKura wrote: 486k50

katphish wrote: 4i104n

All these deleted maps I checked the Korean website but I couldn't find them there. Is there any way at all to find Game Brain and shinseitaiju?

Shiraishi - Shinseitaiju

I'd post Game Brain as well but I cba starting the game to export the mapset lol.

Thank you so much bro.

awesome thread learning 7k

We'll update this soon again (^^)b

wow JX I thought you were ded lol

Good to see this being revived again.

inb4 ETozer loses motivation... again.

5 level to advanced

i think my practise level is novice 10- advanced 1 now, hasn't taken too long, now the issue is finding time in between school and other games to practise ;-;

When should I move on to the next song in the progression? I play each until I get an S ranking -- should I be going for an SS every time before moving on instead? I have been playing for a couple of hours and I'm on Beginner Level 3.

Thank you!

SS is unrealistic. Go for either A or S if you want to play patterns until you're comfortable with them, or high B if you just want to try to learn as many new patterns as possible.

Alright, I will continue to go for S rankings (or A if I'm just spending forever on one song). Thank you!

Honestly, play whatever you have the most fun playing.

I spend most of my time playing stuff that I can't even (or can with a C or low B) because I find them a lot more fun than stuff I can A or S.

Since he's a beginner I think he should aim for As and Ss for now to train accuracy. In higher level play accuracy is already kinda acquired so it's not much of a problem when playing hard stuff but it's not something a beginner wants.

edit : my, it's already my 999th post.

PyaKura wrote: 486k50

Since he's a beginner I think he should aim for As and Ss for now to train accuracy. In higher level play accuracy is already kinda acquired so it's not much of a problem when playing hard stuff but it's not something a beginner wants.

edit : my, it's already my 999th post.

As far as I've been able to tell, accuracy will improve over time just by playing, whereas the ability to play harder patterns only comes from pushing your limits. If you focus on accuracy over difficulty at low skill levels, it will take much longer to build up your skill at harder patterns.

Ultimately, nobody can force anyone to play in a specific way, but I believe that new players should actually stop focusing on accuracy until they've at least made it to the hard/insane difficulty range.

Hey guys! Just crossed the 1k rank barrier and decided that if I wanted to keep progressing, I'd have to look deeper. I really like this thread and see myself around advanced level 4 or so.

Keep up the great work Entozer! and please continue to expand your list, each 'rank' only having one or two beatmaps at the advanced/expert level is kinda suffering.

Anyways, after thinking about the difficult songs out there and seeing the ever-relevant #rankhardermaps2014, I have to ask.

Why haven't harder maps been ranked?

I know +Danshi is on it's way towards being approved, but seriously, especially with the converts, I don't see why we can't have more of the challenging songs out there. I would love to the osu!mania community expand with more experts being drawn in by the ranked competition that they could use to improve themselves, etc.

But seriously, why? Is it the people ranking maps getting flooded with too many (easier) beatmaps to have time to deal with the harder ones?

Please enlighten me.

In order for a map to get ranked, it needs 3 things pretty much. To be "good" from a quality, playability and musicality perspective. To be "recognized" by the community, aka gain popularity. And constant activity from the mapper's part, integrating mods, showing it off and bothering the BATs (lol).

Most hard maps are either not good, or not popular. And the one that are both are often mapped my mappers who really don't care about ranking their map. Not really the the mappers' fault.

Not a problem per-say imo, it is the community's choice after all. Things might evolve in the future, seems things are already moving forward a little.

I see.

Seeing as how osu!mania is now two years old, along with all the dilligence that's been put into forming a difficulty scale (I love the new star system), I think that some people might be encouraged to increase there skill. I've seen so many people either play all the hardest 4k songs (Banging Burst Level 15/16, Imperishable Night 2006 4k insane, Kamui insane, Intersect Thunderbolt Remix, Don't Cut, Elemental Creation, etc.) and cap their performance points at about 3,300 or so PP. I've also seen people like 'Latitude Chaser' create an , get a 99.71% on Imperishable Night 2006 Lunatic difficulty, and then delete his an hour or two later. I know that the osu!mania community has absorbed a lot of the o2jam players, and after ing a thousand or so BMS/stepmania/o2jam songs, I'm wondering why Sister's Noise, G59, and Zakura are the highest o2jam levels we have. How about Only My Railgun's full song with the level 44 difficulty? I'm not experienced at mapping, but I think the autoconvert is close to the quality it needs to be for ranking. Why haven't we ranked any BMS songs? I also think we could promote the community to competitive players looking to play the game if some of these converts are approved. Is there something in the project section I haven't seen about this? I respect the community and it's choices, but I do believe there are people looking to see harder maps approved.

At the very least, couldn't scores for submitted beatmaps be ed online to facilitate people to compete with each other instead of keeping a less meaningful local ranking.

Maybe I'm just stepping in and saying this without knowing what I'm talking about, but I'd like to encourage the game to evolve and for mappers to keep up the hard work.

Well I'll be blunt here and say BMS songs belong in BMS and o2jam songs belong in o2jam. People should look to create original content instead ;o

And you're not allowed to rank maps from other games anyways :p

tbonedavis13 wrote: 1l1i1s

I've also seen people like 'Latitude Chaser' create an , get a 99.71% on Imperishable Night 2006 Lunatic difficulty, and then delete his an hour or two later.

For the record, Latitude Chaser was hacking; IN2006 lunatic score had exactly 4 misses, with the rest being about 80-20 on rainbow 300s to regular 300s. The was banned.

oath sign https://osu-ppy-sh.jeuxcrack.net/s/108565
Shinseitaiju https://osu-ppy-sh.jeuxcrack.net/s/104081
Game Brain https://osu-ppy-sh.jeuxcrack.net/s/121134

links arent working anymore

Game Brain https://osu-ppy-sh.jeuxcrack.net/s/188492
Oath Sign http://bloodcat.com/osu/m/76507
Anyone out there can the Shinseitaiju .osz? ;_;

Previous page... link still works, though it may very well die someday.

http://puu.sh/9GhbO.osz

puush links expire, this one won't disappear as easily
https://mega.co.nz/#!IpRxXApR!L4ap2t26s ... dpLMPYEB_M

Yeah I was too lazy to it somewhere safe, thanks

Why are all of these are 7k......
If you are going to do this please mark this tutorial as 7K.

Inversion wrote: 4e3571

Why are all of these are 7k......
If you are going to do this please mark this tutorial as 7K.

You can try t/162296 for 4k.

Inversion wrote: 4e3571

Why are all of these are 7k......
If you are going to do this please mark this tutorial as 7K.

When this was created, there were almost no 4k maps, and far fewer 7k maps. The list here is pretty outdated now.

been playing 4k this whole time hopefully this helps with 7k :p

Catastrophe [Easy] is way to fast for a beginner imo. I can barley read the notes coming down. Getting used to the keys comes before speed.

If you're having trouble with speeds, change your scroll speed (default keys are F3/F4).

Bobbias wrote: 7q4g

If you're having trouble with speeds, change your scroll speed (default keys are F3/F4).

Oh I'm dumb..

Well, it seems to be a common problem for newcomers. I'm not sure how, but it seems many newcomers completely miss that you can do that.

Ahh, ok. I just started to get into o!m like less than a week ago so.. I just never really looked at all of the keybindings.

Bobbias wrote: 7q4g

Well, it seems to be a common problem for newcomers. I'm not sure how, but it seems many newcomers completely miss that you can do that.

it took me about 2 weeks after i started playing mania from stepmania before i figured out you can actually change the speed lol

What's funny is that Entozer's info box for ChaiN De/structioN actually has the old keybindings listed (do these still work?)

They do lol

it actually took me a few months be4 i realised i could change speed lol

any hope in updating this guide?
some of the links are broken and cannot be used any more.

Thank you so much for this!
Wanted to start with osu mania but I had no idea which map to , etc.
Great help!

possible to put them all in 1 pack or?

I seem to be stuck at Novice 9 and 10 >.<
I mean I can play the song but like I can't recognise some of the patterns and end up getting B's and C's

It it weird that I got a decent score (sightread) in G59 (Level 30 something) and not be able to Wintersun?

Nope, I can G59 pretty easily, but can't get more than halfway through Wintersun

HP drain didn't seem to be taken into consideration when the list was made.

Also, it's normal for LN patterns to be harder for anyone not used to them.

I find wintersun a ton easier :V

Yeah, I'd agree that the patterns in wintersun are actually easier too.

I'm far more comfortable with simple notes patterns

I played some ddr and stuff so im kind of 'novice' to the 4K and I dont really like playing other layouts but this maplist only have 7K maps, can anyone help me with some great maps for learning 4K?

^ lel
Go find the 4SAM thread.t/162296 This should help.

Sorry for reviving Necro, but what about to make map pack containing all maps. and make collection.db that has 4 collections (Beginner, Novice, Advanced, Expert)
I will be much more comfortable.

Too many 7k songs, 7k is whey to hard for beginners to learn, I keep forgetting how to do it and some of the songs in the beginner category are really hard so this was very confusing so it didn't help me at all, 7k is too hard I will stick to 4 and 5k c:

Wiggull wrote: b2g30

Too many 7k songs, 7k is whey to hard for beginners to learn, I keep forgetting how to do it and some of the songs in the beginner category are really hard so this was very confusing so it didn't help me at all, 7k is too hard I will stick to 4 and 5k c:

actually I'd point each new player in the direction of 7k before any lower key amounts. It's easier to learn lower key modes after learning higher key modes. 7k is only marginally more challenging than learning 4k. You started playing only 20 days ago, I'd try learning about the game more before posting things like this.

sidenote, if you know 5k, then 7k should be really quite easy to learn

stop playing autoconverts for god's sake you aren't learning shit by playing autoconverts

oath sign [LV. 3] - Lieselotte i has been deleted in beginner 1

Beginner Beatmaps to hard 7K maybe better start with 4k

Yep.Now i learn the basic patterns.Now im improving in just 7 months. >_<

very useful, improving very quickly now with -made 7k maps ^_^

There are some maps have been deleted from thoase beginner packs:
- oath sign [LV. 3] - Lieselotte (B1).
- Shinseitaiju [Lv. 5] - ExPew (B4).
- oath sign [LV.8] - Lieselotte (B7).

Maybe there are more but I'm too lazy :d. Anyway, please fix or delete these links. Thanks.

Díky moc

This map has been deleted on the request of its creator. It is no longer available.

I'm waiting for the update on the list...

I am having a very hard time with big money easy mode . I cant hit all notes that fast. However i ed easily the other maps from that begginer category(4 i think)

thank you for the 7k i always find 4k so yeah it is really great to see some 7k

chonicle wrote: 4k554i

Can I put a link of this thread in my page? This is a great help to people who want to try some mania

chonicle wrote: 4k554i

Can I put a link of this thread in my page? This is a great help to people who want to try some mania

Hi, i know this thread is very old now, but i really enjoy these levels, and i appriciate that you take your time to do this. I am currently on Beginner stage 3, as i am pretty new to mania. I am mainly a osu!standard player, but i forgot my mouse somewhere, so i cant play standard, lol. And i find osu!mania really fun and interesting, so i might start playing it more. I were just wondering if maps get "outdated". Like is it better to play newer maps than old maps, that are like 5-10 years old? At least on osu!standard the game "physics" change over the years.
Sorry for bad english, and thanks for reading

! thnks for this thread <3 <3

Thanks

Thanks! I stumbled upon a wall that prevents me from improving since I've been playing 4-5 stars on 4k for a quite a while now. I've seen a lot of guide on improving in mania and one of them is to play and get good on 7k.

Flip Flap [Normal] isn't available for .

Sorry if this is a dumb question. New to osu!. If I a beatmap and the hard difficulty is selected, will it the easy difficulties too? Or do I need to select the right difficulty before ing?

Astiredian wrote: 726p1s

Sorry if this is a dumb question. New to osu!. If I a beatmap and the hard difficulty is selected, will it the easy difficulties too? Or do I need to select the right difficulty before ing?

if you a beatmap, it will every difficulty it has.

Thank you for this thread

Thanks bro!