Hello everyone,

I've got an initial iteration of the algorithm to show. Please to tell me which version you are talking about when giving . Also please let me know which tuning seems the best to you.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc ... 3emc#gid=1

Remove PP rankings.

119410501 wrote: 6j5q2p

Remove PP rankings.

I disagree with this. PP is fun for a lot of people even if it will never be perfect.

It isn't accurate at all IMO to put so much weight on ctb specific maps, especially since there are so few. There are plenty of standard maps that translate into fun and difficult ctb maps. Also the best performance shouldn't be filled with easy SS's...

dont. change. it. i will stay #84 forever.

i don't really know much about the "skill weight" in CTB... but because CTB uses just 2 axes the most "difficulty" increasing factors for me are the AR, the Distance between Notes and the CS.

let peppy do whatever he thinks is right, after all he can't make all this kids happy.

-Ryuujii- wrote: 44c34

let peppy do whatever he thinks is right, after all he can't make all this kids happy.

Indeed. I'm fine with this new system.

I think SS shouldn't be that much considered as it is in standard,or like it was in CtB,that's all what bothered me.

DeathXHunter wrote: 6p2t3q

I think SS shouldn't be that much considered as it is in standard,or like it was in CtB,that's all what bothered me.

This.

I think that if you play with a mod and Don't get an SS, it should weigh more than a SS nomod. I've had multiple plays like this and it really annoys me to know that my effort went to waste.

approved > insane > hard

DeathXHunter wrote: 6p2t3q

I think SS shouldn't be that much considered as it is in standard,or like it was in CtB,that's all what bothered me.

and this^

I am a SS player, and my old rank of around #4300 wasn't really indicative of my skill at all (I should really be much lower). Any good play with mods should really benefit more to ranks, even if they don't full combo. It takes much more skill in CTB to play with HR and get say, 99.5%, than it does to play the same map with no mod and get SS.

I logged in yesterday and loved how the boxes without rank look, everybody is the same and plays just for fun. I really liked that.
Of course PP rank is totally better than the ranked score rank, but no rank is the best one.

lineqtxz wrote: t4b5e

approved > insane > hard

DeathXHunter wrote: 6p2t3q

I think SS shouldn't be that much considered as it is in standard,or like it was in CtB,that's all what bothered me.

and this^

+1 to this

If CtB's SS has a high pp value, a lot of farmers will come back :s

119410501 wrote: 6j5q2p

I logged in yesterday and loved how the boxes without rank look, everybody is the same and plays just for fun. I really liked that.
Of course PP rank is totally better than the ranked score rank, but no rank is the best one.

Good guy 119410501.

I like players rank in each beatmap, so global rank could even stands for average places in every map

Kingkevin30 wrote: 5s1l4h

i don't really know much about the "skill weight" in CTB... but because CTB uses just 2 axes the most "difficulty" increasing factors for me are the AR, the Distance between Notes and the CS.

Mostly this ^

Also, there are some very difficult patterns in CtB such as slider streams and back/forth jumps since the hyperdash update.

You also have to that since vertical distance in CtB is nullified, you can't just calculate the total distance between notes, but instead, the left/right distance. The same goes for super speed slider streams, sometimes they're vertical so they're easy, but sometimes they're horizontal and almost impossible... It makes it a bit difficult and inconsistent to calculate difficulty.

1: ------------------------------------- Scratch that

2: CTB ranking should be calucated by combo/overall map progression

3:why are droplets worth 10 points.. lol? we only get these droplets to get that SS Bonus for the PP.. so please fix that <3

4: another thing is spinner maps, in ctb there are pp maps called no spinner maps such as (Maware - Popner's Hard) https://osu-ppy-sh.jeuxcrack.net/s/122658 Which gave over 40-50 PP If you SS'd it with HR/HD because you would tie for 3rd/4th place and give alot of pp, but if you even miss 1 droplet you would lose all that pp gain

5: you should weigh HR/FL, also look at HD, there are tons of HD players in CTB


thanks - sabi

EDIT: I am a nomod player, i infact HATE HD, HD for me is just for pp, i love nomod and alot of people do, so try to make it fun for the both sides of the grass HD and Nomod

119410501 wrote: 6j5q2p

no rank is the best one.

Sousaki wrote: 5e373i

119410501 wrote: 6j5q2p

no rank is the best one.

Having no rank, means no motivation or drive to others, if you want to play casualy then go offline, in black ops there is casual gamers and serious gamers, in ppv1 it was perfect for both

there is a huge gap between ctb custom maps and normal maps

HD should not be weighted that much ... or more or less like
- the lower the AR the more HD weights
on high AR you can ignore HD really
AR10 is a bitch no matter which mod though

DT should be weighted a bit less than HR but that also depends on how difficult the map overall is ... I hate DT since the control feels almost non existing in detailmovements >.>)

- imo dashes which are very closely no Hyperdashes (you still need to dash normally) are harder than normal Hyperdashes

- FL is weird, no opinion

no idea if the system can detect certain patterns well enough, especially very fast zigzags are hard

just my opinion though
good luck

im okay with this rank

I just hope you find a good way to measure difficulty. If you were to find one, you could compare all maps (converted and CTB-specific) with the same basis, and avoid giving CTB-specific maps a ridiculous bonus like it is now (a Cup diff I played almost 1 year ago is worth more than some harder converted maps I've been playing recently)

Sabi wrote: 5yz5

Having no rank, means no motivation or drive to others, if you want to play casualy then go offline, in black ops there is casual gamers and serious gamers, in ppv1 it was perfect for both

ing others shouldn't be based on a number.
I used to be motivated into rising ranks, I've always been high ranked, but the feeling of having no rank is priceless.
If you want to improve you still can without a rank.

Sabi wrote: 5yz5

Having no rank, means no motivation or drive to others, if you want to play casualy then go offline, in black ops there is casual gamers and serious gamers, in ppv1 it was perfect for both

agree.No rank.No motivation.ppv1 please //runs

Accuracy based plz

difficulty for CTB recommend to consider a see estimated harder songs that have mostly notes from left to right and right to left

because if they are vertical notes are very senciallas, also taking into the number of radioactive red fruits because if many should be considered the hardest song

even the speed of the fall fruit if not should consider is that some songs are too fast and not all get used to that speed so I say put a speed limiter of fallen fruit

and I think I should also consider the position in which you're but that the more players get superstructures + PP

and finally I think what most consider sebe difficulty is that order
- Size Cricle
- Rate Approach
- HP Drain
- Difficulty Overwall

Well that's all and greetings

1. Difficulty of maps based on something similliar to osu!tp beatmap diffculties. (+ little boost of performance in CtB diffs.)
2. Boost of FL performance, reduce of HD farming.

Having no rank would be too drastical in my opinion.

YERTI wrote: 6ii3x

im okay with this rank

Sure you are ! xD
I got 77k yey !

YERTI wrote: 6ii3x

im okay with this rank

Me too, lol

suggestion ? maybe same as others
approved > insane > hard

About mods:

- Playing DT on AR9+ maps. example: https://osu-ppy-sh.jeuxcrack.net/p/beatmap?b=48416&m=2
- Playing HR on AR8+ maps. example: https://osu-ppy-sh.jeuxcrack.net/b/151017?m=2
- Playing HD on AR7- maps (but the map has to be a hard difficulty). https://osu-ppy-sh.jeuxcrack.net/p/beatmap?b=101727&m=2
- Playing FL on AR9+ maps. https://osu-ppy-sh.jeuxcrack.net/p/beatmap?b=86324&m=2

That's the harder stuff about mods.
About the normal difficulty of a map, you have to consider the x distance of the notes, including sliders, because the y distance doesn't matter at all.
The note density doesn't matter that much, everything is about the jumps, a fast bpm song without jumps will be easy, a slow bpm song with a lot of jump will be hard.
The stream jumps can be considered has something really hard.

If anyone can add something that would be great.

edit double post.

DeathXHunter wrote: 6p2t3q

I think SS shouldn't be that much considered as it is in standard,or like it was in CtB,that's all what bothered me.

What are you talking about ?



Also I have no opinion about pp. /me get out of this thread.

Talking about that if u get SS you would've get a shitton of PP,1 droplet miss or more and you didnt even get close to the amount of PP.

Anyways Drafura,I'm lucky you mastered the alphabet!

DeathXHunter wrote: 6p2t3q

Anyways Drafura,I'm lucky you mastered the alphabet!

It took me some time.

Anyway /offtopic

DeathXHunter wrote: 6p2t3q

Talking about that if u get SS you would've get a shitton of PP,1 droplet miss or more and you didnt even get close to the amount of PP.

Anyways Drafura,I'm lucky you mastered the alphabet!

A droplet shouldn't be a big difference, the accuracy on ctb is a lot different from any other game mode.

Welp that's what i was trying to say ,was wrong considered on the old build. Anyways,keep sharing your opinons and dont complain ingame about your rank guys

1. SS shouldn't be weighted much
2. spinners shouldn't be weighted much (may still give a little bonus though)
3. HD on high AR shouldn't be weighted much.. sometimes it's even much easier to play high ARs with HD
4. DT should be equal or at least a bit less to HR, especially on AR9 or some maps with insane jumps. sometimes DT is even much harder than HR
5. a tp system for ctb would be good (where you collect the hardest to fc maps in ctb, rank them and made points based on that)

edit: ok i have no opinions for FL

remove play counts

I want to remove the PP system..

It would be impossible to remove pp ranking system on ctb

Guys, think it to better way, don't give up. We still don't know if new system will beloved?

- Rii - wrote: 5s5e2u

where you collect the hardest to fc maps in ctb, rank them and made points based on that

"omg lets rank verdi maps!"

no.

Seph wrote: e4q1c

- Rii - wrote: 5s5e2u

where you collect the hardest to fc maps in ctb, rank them and made points based on that

"omg lets rank verdi maps!"

no.

k verdi maps is overrated

and i don't mean to get those sh*tmaps to be "ranked", just something like this for ctb

- Rii - wrote: 5s5e2u

1. SS shouldn't be weighted much
2. spinners shouldn't be weighted much (may still give a little bonus though)
3. HD on high AR shouldn't be weighted much.. sometimes it's even much easier to play high ARs with HD
4. DT should be equal or at least a bit less to HR, especially on AR9 or some maps with insane jumps. sometimes DT is even much harder than HR
5. a tp system for ctb would be good (where you collect the hardest to fc maps in ctb, rank them and made points based on that)

edit: ok i have no opinions for FL

DT is harder on AR9+ and high bpm jumpy maps.

119410501 wrote: 6j5q2p

Remove PP rankings.

now that's something nice to see from you!

yeah i agree

- Rii - wrote: 5s5e2u

and i don't mean to get those sh*tmaps to be "ranked", just something like this for ctb

that is possible, its just that ctbtp would require manual inputs of maps, and difficulty of a map in ctb is quite arguable since player 1 can have troubles with a certain map while player 2 cant, and it goes vice versa

I express neutral opinion about this agenda.
Cuz If New ranking system is becoming, Maybe i can get more high ranking but i think that system will be not exciting for playing osu!
if system is staying like now, i can't get more high ranking but, there is exciting for getting more ranking with competition with others ranker

So i can't say certainly changing the system is good for me or not


( I'm not good at English So there are many grammatical errors)

119410501 wrote: 6j5q2p

Remove PP rankings.

^

cancel pp

alienflybot wrote: 23n16

cancel pp

+1

delete the pp system

I think there should still be PP in the game. I like to see how i rank around the world. BUT, there should be a option to not show for those people who doesn't like PP or just want to play for fun. I like being competitive with people around me, so thats why i like PP and getting good rank on songs. There different people that play osu for a lots of reason (to have fun, to be #1). Just have a option that allows the people to show/not show their pp rankings.

Do you really want the old old ranking system back? Just playing ranked songs and get scores to be #1? Pretty sure all the people who wants to delete this pp rank want this style back. Which is really shitty of a ranking system...

Nobody forces anyone of you to look at a ranking number. I don't see a reason to remove something, that a big portion of the player-base wants, that is not invasive at all towards anyone.

Cancel pp

\:D/ who care the ppv2? YOU? Too young Too simple!

also, please make DT multiplier 1.12

I like the pp system, but certainly I prefer not having rank at all rather than having an unfair one.

It would be nice that for those people who doesn't want pp should at least HAVE A FREAKING REASON TOO... And not just the normal JUST PLAY FOR FUN reason!... At least say why you don't want it. Explain yourselves

Ikillforpies wrote: 5g2r2k

It would be nice that for those people who doesn't want pp should at least HAVE A FREAKING REASON TOO... And not just the normal JUST PLAY FOR FUN reason!... At least say why you don't want it. Explain yourselves

lol the "Just play for fun" is actually a nice reason
without pp you can concentrate easier on the top50 rankings of your favourite songs and maps only without thinking about the whole ranking, since your fav. song/map might be something way easier than Big Black shitmaps
If there were no pp, you would feel better when you rank high on your fav. maps.
The overall harder maps just decrease the worth you would gave the maps you were enjoying more and where you ranked better, because the hard ones give more pp

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I know there are a lot of contra arguments against that point but that is one reason.

Also that is not my real opinion about pp I just wanted to bring another point of view you asked for

bomber34 wrote: o1q2a

Ikillforpies wrote: 5g2r2k

It would be nice that for those people who doesn't want pp should at least HAVE A FREAKING REASON TOO... And not just the normal JUST PLAY FOR FUN reason!... At least say why you don't want it. Explain yourselves

lol the "Just play for fun" is actually a nice reason
without pp you can concentrate easier on the top50 rankings of your favourite songs and maps only without thinking about the whole ranking, since your fav. song/map might be something way easier than Big Black shitmaps
If there were no pp, you would feel better when you rank high on your fav. maps.
The overall harder maps just decrease the worth you would gave the maps you were enjoying more and where you ranked better, because the hard ones give more pp

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I know there are a lot of contra arguments against that point but that is one reason.

Also that is not my real opinion about pp I just wanted to bring another point of view you asked for

In that case, isn't it just an issue with ppv1? If you don't want to be rewarded for an easy map, this can be fixed in ppv2 like standard. I personally like the confirmation of a genuinely good rank on a difficult map when I receive pp, but I agree that a less competitive system could allow players to enjoy themselves more and not take ctb so seriously.

Sabi wrote: 5yz5

2: CTB ranking should be calucated by combo/overall map progression

3:why are droplets worth 10 points.. lol? we only get these droplets to get that SS Bonus for the PP.. so please fix that <3

4: another thing is spinner maps, in ctb there are pp maps called no spinner maps such as (Maware - Popner's Hard) https://osu-ppy-sh.jeuxcrack.net/s/122658 Which gave over 40-50 PP If you SS'd it with HR/HD because you would tie for 3rd/4th place and give alot of pp, but if you even miss 1 droplet you would lose all that pp gain

5: you should weigh HR/FL, also look at HD, there are tons of HD players in CTB


thanks - sabi

EDIT: I am a nomod player, i infact HATE HD, HD for me is just for pp, i love nomod and alot of people do, so try to make it fun for the both sides of the grass HD and Nomod

That's pretty much my opinion. And I do think that missing ONE DROPLET is not a reason to lose all the pp you would get from a SS.

After all there will be ppv2 hopefully,so the guys who say that the ranking should be removed just play for the fun and let the other guys discuss what should be considered in the system and not ask for removing it,lol.

DeathXHunter wrote: 6p2t3q

After all there will be ppv2 hopefully,so the guys who say that the ranking should be removed just play for the fun and let the other guys discuss what should be considered in the system and not ask for removing it,lol.

^