i've only read half of that but, instead of putting something like this in osu!, just go play touhou or something. its wasting time putting a mode in osu! that's JUST like touhou when you can just go play the original game. yes, i know standard and taiko is also from a game, but touhou is free and something that everybody can just go and . i don't see the point of putting it in osu!
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i have seen a game with such rhythm and bullet style, so it should be possible in osu as well, woc233 plz add this
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who said i didn't like it? please, don't put words in my mouth. all i did was say that something that was already made into a game shouldn't really be made into an osu! mode. it's just my opinion, sheesh.deadbeat wrote: 819
....wowRinKagamine wrote: 2m1v54
but touhou is free and something that everybody can just go and .
anyway. peppy's all ready shown interest in adding this. you don't have to play if you don't like it
ctb is also considered as an interpretation of Ez2catch but I recently discovered that the idea comes first from an hidden play mod in the BMS player Rythm it. It's the same as ctb but for two players.
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Pretty nice example on how to implement it.[CSGA]Ar3sgice wrote: 5a44y
i have seen a game with such rhythm and bullet style, so it should be possible in osu as well, woc233 plz add this
just eggpain
lol beaten the entire game in 45 minutes :p[CSGA]Ar3sgice wrote: 5a44y
i have seen a game with such rhythm and bullet style, so it should be possible in osu as well, woc233 plz add this
i don't even know why i fucking bother posting in forums. i give my honest opinion how i feel about this and i get criticism just because i don't think it's a good idea. the whole point of this is for people to give on what they think, not for you to go and insult/criticise people for their opinion. i thought touhou was something that was free to for people, because when i searched it up there was always places to it so i thought it was just a free little game you on your computer. no need to give me rude replies =_=
just do it ^^
I think it is clear that the community really want this
peppy already said that he has some ideas
I'm afraid it won't really happen anytime soon
would be bad to lock that for people who want to show some concepts (not sure if that is necessary but who knows ...)
but like you said there is mostly nothing constructive other than +
I think it is clear that the community really want this
peppy already said that he has some ideas
I'm afraid it won't really happen anytime soon
would be bad to lock that for people who want to show some concepts (not sure if that is necessary but who knows ...)
but like you said there is mostly nothing constructive other than +
There are rhythm games and rhythm-based games. osu!, Taiko and osu!mania are the first ones and CtB and Touhosu are second.Zarerion wrote: 54f6m
Please, just make sure this game mode will have something to do with Rhythm, unlike other gamemodes where stuff is coming from above and you have to catch it.
When there's a beat, u should in some way click according to that beat.
So Touhosu will be like CtB? :/[Dellirium] wrote: 1x621p
There are rhythm games and rhythm-based games. osu!, Taiko and osu!mania are the first ones and CtB and Touhosu are second.Zarerion wrote: 54f6m
Please, just make sure this game mode will have something to do with Rhythm, unlike other gamemodes where stuff is coming from above and you have to catch it.
When there's a beat, u should in some way click according to that beat.
Touhosu isn't defined yet. It's likely to be largely just a music game, but not a rhythm one... which is what CtB is. But as the peppy quote above says... getting rhythm involved in the gameplay (beyond the part where it's part of the music) is what would be preferred. How to do that is the big question. If there was a strong answer to it, then I think that development on Touhosu would start happening in earnest.
Seph
Uhh actually CtB is based off EZ2Catch which is a RHYTHM game. Also CtB follows the beat that a standard map is following, the only difference is you have to catch it in that game mode and not click circles and move your mouse.Zarerion wrote: 54f6m
Please, just make sure this game mode will have something to do with Rhythm, unlike other gamemodes where stuff is coming from above and you have to catch it.
When there's a beat, u should in some way click according to that beat.
Whats with all the hate on the game mode? Seriously, osu! is full of rhythm games, I mean why would peppy create CtB if it never followed or plan to follow any rhythm at all?
The best implementation would be to move in rythm to avoid bullets. Else it would be an audiosurf like (in much harder I hope).
@Seph : The idea of CtB doesn't come from Ez2catch. PM me for more info. But I agree CtB requires rythm (sometimes more than std and sometimes not, this is mainly due to std map adaptation).
@Seph : The idea of CtB doesn't come from Ez2catch. PM me for more info. But I agree CtB requires rythm (sometimes more than std and sometimes not, this is mainly due to std map adaptation).
I dunno if it's been said or implied already, but an idea for HP is that it can be similar to the way the HP bar works in osumania. You start out with a full bar and when you get hit, it takes out, say, a quarter of the bar. But every time you graze a bullet, the bar is restored slightly. It would be restored less the higher the song's HP drain is. This would be different from having a set number of, say, 5 lives for example.
And if this had been said already just ignore me.
I've never played any Touhou games either but I've got all 3 eXceed games so I'm a veteran in the bullet hell genreKiosk14 wrote: 21831
Sounds interesting. ive actually never played TOHOU b4, so this could be my chance
eXceed - Gun Bullet Children by FLAT
eXceed - 2nd Vampire REX (Remake by Tennen-sozai)
eXceed - 3rd Jade Penetrate Black Package (Extended version by Tennen-sozai)
Not exactly Touhou but you know what I mean
To the eXceed fans: Sorry, only original I have is the first one
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I saw a video and I think that was how touhosu could work
see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nQXsmlU3Ps
see:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nQXsmlU3Ps
I don't know if this can help but I think it gives a good idea on how to do it.peppy wrote: 6w4l42
Just to clear things up, I generally have an idea of how this will be implemented already in my head (when/if it is) and may or may not consider any suggestions. For this reason I won't actively participate in this discussion but will monitor it. Keep in mind that I have played touhou and other danmaku games, so suggesting things already done in those is a bit moot. Try and thing of original aspects which will bring rhythm and bullets together in an awesome way if you are looking to positively contribute.
http://youtu.be/KnoUG4RwjSk
Need to have more bullets to avoid than enemies to shoot downIgor-Sonic wrote: 5k2f16
I don't know if this can help but I think it gives a good idea on how to do it.
http://youtu.be/KnoUG4RwjSk
Danmaku is the word.
Edit:
I was too lazy to record/ video earlier
Ultra difficulty (on "view" mode)
Link for anyone interested
http://www.utgsoftware.net/games/newcur ... /index.htm
TouhouNerd
I don't know if anyone said this before. 10 pages is a lot to read. If these points are duplicate, just consider this to the original.
1. Touhou danmaku thrive by having good and meaningful patterns. So, it would be good to separate the standard mode from touhosu. That means, no generation from standard to touhosu.
2. In-game editor may be too much to handle. Every bullet have to be placed manually? Hardly possible. In-game editor provides some basic patterns? That would take away the beauty of variety of danmaku. So, I am thinking of using scripts. For general idea, something like these:
a. danmakufu-like script (those videos on the first 2 pages are from danmakufu, and they have their own script to generate patterns.)
b. Javascript interpreter and a library to it. (Like what Adobe does with ExtendScript)
c. Lua interpreter and a library.
d. Any other programming/scripting language that is appropriate. (aka you get the point)
3. As most Touhou original songs (i.e. with artist ZUN) are already ranked, I think when submitting, we should be able to "add difficulty to existing map". I know this requires changes to be made in the database, but hey, it isn't that bad. :/
Well, apart from the suggestions, here is my opinion. I AM A TOUHOUNERD. (just saying)
1. If there were a Touhosu! mode, I can foresee myself going crazy making danmaku. So "no one's gonna make it" is invalid argument.
2. Touhosu! will be even more "irrelevant" to the rhythm game genre (e.g. when compared to CTB). If there were Touhosu, soon there will be osu!craft where you fight zombies and mine according to music(i.e. not rhythm game anymore), and finally My Little Posu!ny, where MLP episodes will be made into MAD according to music(i.e. not game anymore). I the idea of Touhosu!, but still, this is something to consider.
3. Even more people with crazy skill will pop up from nowhere. (we have Cookiezi for standard, Remilia-Scarlet for mania, not sure about CTB and taiko, never checked)
4. Touhou with DT/HD/FL will be fun!
1. Touhou danmaku thrive by having good and meaningful patterns. So, it would be good to separate the standard mode from touhosu. That means, no generation from standard to touhosu.
2. In-game editor may be too much to handle. Every bullet have to be placed manually? Hardly possible. In-game editor provides some basic patterns? That would take away the beauty of variety of danmaku. So, I am thinking of using scripts. For general idea, something like these:
a. danmakufu-like script (those videos on the first 2 pages are from danmakufu, and they have their own script to generate patterns.)
b. Javascript interpreter and a library to it. (Like what Adobe does with ExtendScript)
c. Lua interpreter and a library.
d. Any other programming/scripting language that is appropriate. (aka you get the point)
3. As most Touhou original songs (i.e. with artist ZUN) are already ranked, I think when submitting, we should be able to "add difficulty to existing map". I know this requires changes to be made in the database, but hey, it isn't that bad. :/
Well, apart from the suggestions, here is my opinion. I AM A TOUHOUNERD. (just saying)
1. If there were a Touhosu! mode, I can foresee myself going crazy making danmaku. So "no one's gonna make it" is invalid argument.
2. Touhosu! will be even more "irrelevant" to the rhythm game genre (e.g. when compared to CTB). If there were Touhosu, soon there will be osu!craft where you fight zombies and mine according to music(i.e. not rhythm game anymore), and finally My Little Posu!ny, where MLP episodes will be made into MAD according to music(i.e. not game anymore). I the idea of Touhosu!, but still, this is something to consider.
3. Even more people with crazy skill will pop up from nowhere. (we have Cookiezi for standard, Remilia-Scarlet for mania, not sure about CTB and taiko, never checked)
4. Touhou with DT/HD/FL will be fun!
This is a video from another forum, very inspiring. If there's ways to script it so that the player has to move to match the beat (like 3:04) it'd be awesome.
0:55 also a nice idea for mania skin.
0:55 also a nice idea for mania skin.
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Oinari-sama wrote: cv50
A touhou-version of Rhythm Tengoku, nice!
The style in 2:25 seems like a good concept for touhosu!
Yeah, this is actually a really good place to start. Instead of a classic touhou style where the bullets spawn to the beat, have it so the player must move to the beats. We could have different patterns for different movements, and if you let go of a key you go back to neutral position. This makes hold notes, normal beats, and possibly some other stuff possible. Let me vent some ideas out.
The source of bullets will be a circular entity. It will pulse to the beat, making a translucent circle that expands towards the player (probably at the designated approach rate from osu!standard maps). This would be like the barline on taiko or osu!mania. Any and all hit objects will be placed on these circles. If a hitobject is placed off of a beat, (eighth/sixteenth notes), a fainter circle will be put there to indicate that there is a hitobject there.
Player loses health when they get hit by a bullet, and they gain health when they successfully dodge one. Sudden Death will make one hit = kill, and the damage is calculated by the health drain difficulty setting.
The player has 3 main positions. Neutral, Left, and Right. Pressing a key down will make the character move in that direction, and letting a key go will put you back in neutral.
When you dodge a bullet, you get a "graze" bonus based on your timing.
Here are the potential differences in hitobjects.
Normal Beat: Moving from neutral position to one of two sides, to avoid a single bullet headed straight for you. You get extra points if you input the dodge at the right time. Holding the directional key to avoid multiple bullets will cause every other bullet to be scored as a 50 instead of a 300, and the player's health would not increase for it.
Specific Beat: Requires you to move to one side, dependant on which side has a free spot. Bullets spawned by this hitobject are placed in the neutral position AND in one of the two directions you can dodge in, limiting you to only one of the two sides. The secondary bullet would be highlighted in some way, probably by being a bit bigger or brighter. This could probably be mapped to one of the hitsounds, or certain movement patterns in osu.
Hold Notes: The laser. The entity starts glowing or shining (as if it was charging), then it makes a thin line that goes over the neutral position a few beats before it arrives. You can through it as it has not arrived yet. Expands to a bigger line once it arrives. Requires the player to hold the left or right button until it is done. Multiple lasers can be read by looking at the charge animation. Counting how many of them happen and when they happen should give you a good sense on when they appear. This can be combined with specific beats, with multiple thin lines hinting on which sides to avoid.
Don't know what to do for spinners. We could make them press the up arrow to the beat or something to do a little taunt or dance, but I'm not sure.
This should be good enough for now. If you can't visualize it, I'll draw (MS Paint or lazy photoshop) a draft of the circle thing. Just visualize the osu! logo on the title screen, where the circles it pulses out to the beat have little circles stuck to them. Now imagine dodging them like in the video.
The source of bullets will be a circular entity. It will pulse to the beat, making a translucent circle that expands towards the player (probably at the designated approach rate from osu!standard maps). This would be like the barline on taiko or osu!mania. Any and all hit objects will be placed on these circles. If a hitobject is placed off of a beat, (eighth/sixteenth notes), a fainter circle will be put there to indicate that there is a hitobject there.
Player loses health when they get hit by a bullet, and they gain health when they successfully dodge one. Sudden Death will make one hit = kill, and the damage is calculated by the health drain difficulty setting.
The player has 3 main positions. Neutral, Left, and Right. Pressing a key down will make the character move in that direction, and letting a key go will put you back in neutral.
When you dodge a bullet, you get a "graze" bonus based on your timing.
Here are the potential differences in hitobjects.
Normal Beat: Moving from neutral position to one of two sides, to avoid a single bullet headed straight for you. You get extra points if you input the dodge at the right time. Holding the directional key to avoid multiple bullets will cause every other bullet to be scored as a 50 instead of a 300, and the player's health would not increase for it.
Specific Beat: Requires you to move to one side, dependant on which side has a free spot. Bullets spawned by this hitobject are placed in the neutral position AND in one of the two directions you can dodge in, limiting you to only one of the two sides. The secondary bullet would be highlighted in some way, probably by being a bit bigger or brighter. This could probably be mapped to one of the hitsounds, or certain movement patterns in osu.
Hold Notes: The laser. The entity starts glowing or shining (as if it was charging), then it makes a thin line that goes over the neutral position a few beats before it arrives. You can through it as it has not arrived yet. Expands to a bigger line once it arrives. Requires the player to hold the left or right button until it is done. Multiple lasers can be read by looking at the charge animation. Counting how many of them happen and when they happen should give you a good sense on when they appear. This can be combined with specific beats, with multiple thin lines hinting on which sides to avoid.
Don't know what to do for spinners. We could make them press the up arrow to the beat or something to do a little taunt or dance, but I'm not sure.
This should be good enough for now. If you can't visualize it, I'll draw (MS Paint or lazy photoshop) a draft of the circle thing. Just visualize the osu! logo on the title screen, where the circles it pulses out to the beat have little circles stuck to them. Now imagine dodging them like in the video.
I agree with the limiting of the movements, but limiting it to only 3 positions is too much, mainly because if you think about danmaku, you think about few spots on screen which are "safe" to be avoiding them, principally at the highest difficulty levels.Mithost wrote: 346313
Yeah, this is actually a really good place to start. Instead of a classic touhou style where the bullets spawn to the beat, have it so the player must move to the beats. We could have different patterns for different movements, and if you let go of a key you go back to neutral position. This makes hold notes, normal beats, and possibly some other stuff possible. Let me vent some ideas out.
The source of bullets will be a circular entity. It will pulse to the beat, making a translucent circle that expands towards the player (probably at the designated approach rate from osu!standard maps). This would be like the barline on taiko or osu!mania. Any and all hit objects will be placed on these circles. If a hitobject is placed off of a beat, (eighth/sixteenth notes), a fainter circle will be put there to indicate that there is a hitobject there.
Player loses health when they get hit by a bullet, and they gain health when they successfully dodge one. Sudden Death will make one hit = kill, and the damage is calculated by the health drain difficulty setting.
The player has 3 main positions. Neutral, Left, and Right. Pressing a key down will make the character move in that direction, and letting a key go will put you back in neutral.
When you dodge a bullet, you get a "graze" bonus based on your timing.
Here are the potential differences in hitobjects.
Normal Beat: Moving from neutral position to one of two sides, to avoid a single bullet headed straight for you. You get extra points if you input the dodge at the right time. Holding the directional key to avoid multiple bullets will cause every other bullet to be scored as a 50 instead of a 300, and the player's health would not increase for it.
Specific Beat: Requires you to move to one side, dependant on which side has a free spot. Bullets spawned by this hitobject are placed in the neutral position AND in one of the two directions you can dodge in, limiting you to only one of the two sides. The secondary bullet would be highlighted in some way, probably by being a bit bigger or brighter. This could probably be mapped to one of the hitsounds, or certain movement patterns in osu.
Hold Notes: The laser. The entity starts glowing or shining (as if it was charging), then it makes a thin line that goes over the neutral position a few beats before it arrives. You can through it as it has not arrived yet. Expands to a bigger line once it arrives. Requires the player to hold the left or right button until it is done. Multiple lasers can be read by looking at the charge animation. Counting how many of them happen and when they happen should give you a good sense on when they appear. This can be combined with specific beats, with multiple thin lines hinting on which sides to avoid.
Don't know what to do for spinners. We could make them press the up arrow to the beat or something to do a little taunt or dance, but I'm not sure.
This should be good enough for now. If you can't visualize it, I'll draw (MS Paint or lazy photoshop) a draft of the circle thing. Just visualize the osu! logo on the title screen, where the circles it pulses out to the beat have little circles stuck to them. Now imagine dodging them like in the video.
Being able to free move at least for left/right (like in ctb) you could move to more dangerous spots and get more graze score; there would be a great variety of scores.
Also your "circular entity" could have infinites life bars (for it to last until the end of the song) so you could always earn extra points by killing it, the more you shoot it, the more score you get. It could also drop few 点 item at random position on screen when you finish with one of its lifebar, as well as removing all of the enemy's bullets when this happens, earning good amount of point for each bullet onscreen, just like in Touhou.
Though implementation of 300, 100, 50, etc would be hard in this case, unless counting 300 as each of your shots that hit the "circular entity", 100 as bullets grazed, and counting point items '点' instead of 50.
Of course there should be the "misses" which happen each time you get hit, but what about having "lives" earned each X points?
Missing should imply score penalty; it could be instant penalty or calculated at the final score, depending on the amount of lost lives.
Losing all of them would result in a fail.
Could work this way:
Hit by bullet → miss sound + score penalty → player respawn while bullets onscreen are cleared with no score bonus → continue as if nothing has happened.
We should not forget about the life-saving BOMBS, which the player could have 2 each life.
Bombing would clear bullets on screen and remove current boss' life bar bonus. (Yes, penalties for bombing as well)
There could be a 5ms time before actually dying in which one could bomb (consuming 2 bombs) to prevent from losing a life and giving some score for bullets onscreen. (Still removing the boss' lifebar bonus)
Life penalty would be greater than bomb penalty.
Now the objects:
Circle: Would be a simple multi-direction shoot, with pattern and kind of bullets based on the hitsound, OD and CS.
Sliders: Multiple 1/4 or 1/8 based bullets shoot directly at the player as it moves with other circle-like bullets being shoot at slider ticks with heavier waves on the slider Start and End.
Repeating Sliders: A non straight slider bullet wave, spread by the lengh of the slider.
As for spinners: a HEAVY amount of bullet for you to graze. (from simple to complex patterns, depending on OD)
HP drain = Amount of lives, the higher the less. Drain 10 = 0 Lives (Still earns lives by score)
Circle Size = Average AMOUNT of bullets. (Bullets should have fixed size and be greater in amount rather than sizes)
Approach Rate = Average Speed of bullets (combined with slider velocity could have greater variety)
OD = Overall difficulty. The higher, the more bulles, heavier spinners, more score. Could also define amount of bombs per life. OD 10 = 0 Bombs
The boss-like thing can move left/right as well.
And to finish, give the player a small hitbox with possibility of focusing.
Example:
(Alternatively "Boss Kill" count could be just a number on the left of its lifebar)
Of course this is all suggestion, its not me that will be the one to code if such game mode gets to be implemented.
Edit: Forgot to mention, bonuses for each life/bomb remaining go to the final score.
These are two different options. One has the bullets spawning to the beat, and the other has the player dodging to the beat. My idea that I posted above was an attempt to make a rhythm game based on a danmaku game, not a danmaku game based off of a rhythm game. Sure this limits some stuff, but in my opinion, a danmaku game probably wont translate over perfectly if we leave everything intact.
On the topic of grazing, risky movements, and safezones, that is what we would be emulating with the different patterns. I could see someone being forced to move to the right and while they are there, a laser will start charging on their spot, making it a narrow escape.
Shooting something for points is something I REALLY want to avoid here. Why? You get more points for standing still, than you do for moving along to the song. Osu! is a Rhythm game, and we need to this. Making score based on dodging to the beat and actually reading rhythmic patterns seems like a better, more simple system for a rhythm game.
Another thing is the issue on balance. With your system, the danmaku part of the game will turn the music part of the game into background music from what I see. Players don't need to pay attention to the music (they might even be better off without it), and timing of pretty much everything is not even considered.
I agree though that we CAN give the players a bonus if they stay un-hit long enough (high enough combo) and get a bonus by beating a life off of the boss.
tl;dr: Bullets spawning to the beat like fireworks does not make a good RHYTHM BASED game (A rhythm game being a game that rewards good timing based on reacting visual and audio cues). It would make a really cool game, but not a very good game-mode for osu.
On the topic of grazing, risky movements, and safezones, that is what we would be emulating with the different patterns. I could see someone being forced to move to the right and while they are there, a laser will start charging on their spot, making it a narrow escape.
Shooting something for points is something I REALLY want to avoid here. Why? You get more points for standing still, than you do for moving along to the song. Osu! is a Rhythm game, and we need to this. Making score based on dodging to the beat and actually reading rhythmic patterns seems like a better, more simple system for a rhythm game.
Another thing is the issue on balance. With your system, the danmaku part of the game will turn the music part of the game into background music from what I see. Players don't need to pay attention to the music (they might even be better off without it), and timing of pretty much everything is not even considered.
I agree though that we CAN give the players a bonus if they stay un-hit long enough (high enough combo) and get a bonus by beating a life off of the boss.
tl;dr: Bullets spawning to the beat like fireworks does not make a good RHYTHM BASED game (A rhythm game being a game that rewards good timing based on reacting visual and audio cues). It would make a really cool game, but not a very good game-mode for osu.
Seems like interesting wall of text. I'll read the entire post tomorrow after a good sleep.Mithost wrote: 346313
Don't know what to do for spinners. We could make them press the up arrow to the beat or something to do a little taunt or dance, but I'm not sure.
For time being, here's a quick take on possible spinner adaptation. I'll use my favourite Ran as example.
Fast farward to roughly 5:00. The prep for spinning laser starts, firing moments later. The character is forced to move with it. The guy in the video got pwned for not moving with it =.=
To do something similar in osu, the mapper can use different geometrical arrangements while always leaving safe spots at various distances from centre of rotation. From the scoring point of view, obviously the "spin rate" is controlled by the boss, not the player (ie constant angular velocity). However the player can choose to do easier spins by staying closer to the centre of rotation (ie lower linear velocity), or move in a safe spot further away from the centre of rotation to get score bonus (higher linear velocity, more distance to cover per rotation).
If that sounds confusing, just look at the video. If a player stays closer to the centre of the rotation, he/she can move rather "slowly" compared to someone who stays on the rim of the spinning laser (if we focus on only the laser and ignore all other bullets temporarily). Obviously it's harder to control when you have to move faster so the player should get score bonus for it. Of course, the mapper will have to balance the danmaku so that the "safe spot" during spinning laser should be the same size no matter how far it's placed from centre of rotation to justify for the bonus given.
Here is the original Remilia mini-game (Just FYI):
(The game consist of 10-ish mini-games then a remix, just like rhythm tengolku)
that there is only 2 buttons active in that game. One for "hit-circle" and one for "slider".
I think your idea would work well, but to me it sound like taking away the fun. It sounds like to make a touhou-themed rhythm game rather than to make a rhythm game based on a danmaku game. I think the danmaku is mostly what we are looking for here. And as I said earlier, there is not really a way to generate danmaku.
(The game consist of 10-ish mini-games then a remix, just like rhythm tengolku)
that there is only 2 buttons active in that game. One for "hit-circle" and one for "slider".
Spinners are ignored in mania too.Mithost wrote: 346313
It's a cool pattern, but I don't think it would match well with 1) How spinners usually fit in songs 2) My idea on how the game would work and 3) How spinners work score wise in osu!standard
Some FYI information: In rhythm tengoku, it's basic that you MUST match the beat, so sometimes it's easier to listen to the cue rather than looking. That's what they did in rhythm carnival scarlet too. Everything has a cue(mostly). BTW the remilia beat game, it only takes 2 keys, one for normal beat and one for hold.Mithost wrote: 346313
......The source of bullets will be a circular entity. It will pulse to the beat, making a translucent circle that expands towards the player (probably at the designated approach rate from osu!standard maps). This would be like the barline on taiko or osu!mania. Any and all hit objects will be placed on these circles. If a hitobject is placed off of a beat, (eighth/sixteenth notes), a fainter circle will be put there to indicate that there is a hitobject there......
I think your idea would work well, but to me it sound like taking away the fun. It sounds like to make a touhou-themed rhythm game rather than to make a rhythm game based on a danmaku game. I think the danmaku is mostly what we are looking for here. And as I said earlier, there is not really a way to generate danmaku.
Each person should feel free to propose their ideas, cause I think peppy will do things his way at the end of the day so there's no need for us to "finalise" our discussions. Our discussions here only serves as peppy's inspiration so feel free to organise your ideas and post them here.
So here's my take on how Touhosu can be implemented. It's going to be a long post so I'll try to use as many pictures as possible to make it easier to read. Bear with me
NOTE: This post is unfinished.
I saw the video Sakuya ed when I was half way through putting my ideas together. The game mechanism shown in that video is very clean and simple and it made me wonder if the stuff I'm proposing here is too complicated to code. I guess I'll leave this post as is unless people think it's worth digging deeper.
So here's my take on how Touhosu can be implemented. It's going to be a long post so I'll try to use as many pictures as possible to make it easier to read. Bear with me
Basic Gameplay Concept
BASIC GAMEPLAY CONCEPT
Similar to TH9.5 "Shoot the Bullet," the player will not be firing any of her danmaku at the boss. The focus of the game will be dodging bullets and get high scores. Yes, that means NO BOMBS.
Health/HP Bar
Player starts with full health. There is a constant HP drain as soon as the map section starts, ie if a player sits there and do nothing he/she will die (fail).
Each hit objects (explained later) cleared will give the player some health back. To a map the player must constantly clear hit objects throughout the map.
Another way to lose HP is to get hit by the bullet. A "hit" is only ed when the "hit box" touches a bullet (refer to the picture below).
Hit Objects
The basic building block in this idea is an invisible string connecting 2 adjacent bullets together.
A Hit Object is cleared when the player es through the gap between 2 bullets (break the string). Once cleared, a hit object cannot be activated again.
Player Control
Similar to TH9.5 "Shoot the Bullet," the player will not be firing any of her danmaku at the boss. The focus of the game will be dodging bullets and get high scores. Yes, that means NO BOMBS.
Health/HP Bar
Player starts with full health. There is a constant HP drain as soon as the map section starts, ie if a player sits there and do nothing he/she will die (fail).
Each hit objects (explained later) cleared will give the player some health back. To a map the player must constantly clear hit objects throughout the map.
Another way to lose HP is to get hit by the bullet. A "hit" is only ed when the "hit box" touches a bullet (refer to the picture below).
Hit Objects
The basic building block in this idea is an invisible string connecting 2 adjacent bullets together.
A Hit Object is cleared when the player es through the gap between 2 bullets (break the string). Once cleared, a hit object cannot be activated again.
Player Control
- Mouse/tablet movement to navigate Player position
- Up/Down/Left/Right Arrow (remap-able) "blinks" Player towards that direction (at fixed pixel distance) and cuts the string in its path
- Once the button is released, the player "blinks" back to the cursor location prior to the button press
Mapping & Design
MAPPING & DESIGN
Mapping
Basic map mapping should be exactly the same as osu standard, so that an existing osu standard map can be "translated" and played without extra tweak.
Additional "annoyance" objects (eg laser, ootama) can either be scripted for existing maps, or added by mappers for new submissions. The purpose of these additional annoyances are to discourage Player camping at the same spot.
The distance between 2 bullets (or "string length" as referred to from here on) is directly proportional to the length of a note. It'll be easier to visualise by the following figure.
Map Difficulty Settings
HP Drain Rate = same definition as osu standard
Circle Size = Size of bullets (larger bullets reduce the "string length")
Approach Rate = Speed of bullets
Overall Difficulty = same definition as osu standard
Mapping
Basic map mapping should be exactly the same as osu standard, so that an existing osu standard map can be "translated" and played without extra tweak.
Additional "annoyance" objects (eg laser, ootama) can either be scripted for existing maps, or added by mappers for new submissions. The purpose of these additional annoyances are to discourage Player camping at the same spot.
The distance between 2 bullets (or "string length" as referred to from here on) is directly proportional to the length of a note. It'll be easier to visualise by the following figure.
Map Difficulty Settings
HP Drain Rate = same definition as osu standard
Circle Size = Size of bullets (larger bullets reduce the "string length")
Approach Rate = Speed of bullets
Overall Difficulty = same definition as osu standard
Spinners
If there's spinner in Touhosu at all, I can think of 2 ways to do this:
- Fast rotating laser (constant rate). Player moves with the cone to stay safe. Player gains more bonus point by staying further away from the centre of rotation.
- Random stationary Danmaku filling the screen. Player's Grace circle activates. Free hand movement, grace for bonus points (you can still get hit and lose HP)
NOTE: This post is unfinished.
I saw the video Sakuya ed when I was half way through putting my ideas together. The game mechanism shown in that video is very clean and simple and it made me wonder if the stuff I'm proposing here is too complicated to code. I guess I'll leave this post as is unless people think it's worth digging deeper.
My idea favored simplicity and rhythm based movements to the common "Bullets spawn to the beat" thing. Both are decent, and none of our ideas are set in stone. Fixing my idea would be great, but I'll also provide ideas for the normal danmaku game.
My main theory behind this is that this game mode needs to be a rhythm game first. I am all for adding as many danmaku elements as we can, but there really should be some input on the character that is rhythm based. I like the string idea with the paired bullets, but it lacks the insensitive to move much if you are playing for fun instead of for score. Another thing we would be missing with the idea is accuracy. How do we what bullets count towards score, and which ones are not? We can't have 3000x Miss and 1% accuracy for every song.
With my idea, I thought of a slightly different movement plan. The character is still on a fixed plane, but this time it is a horizontal line or curve, which the player can travel along freely. When you tap a directional key, you move over one space. The same bullet patterns are waiting for you when you move over, but the immediate bullet in your way is deactivated if your timing was correct. It's the same game idea as before, but instead of being snapped back to the neutral area, your current location becomes the new neutral. I would imagine that you could pull a pac-man and move from one side of the stage to the other by moving too far one way.
This idea also brings back the potential boss idea. The entity moves around the top part of the stage, and the player gets bonus points (spinner bonus amount, not TOO much) for being in the position to deal damage to it. The closer you are to it, the more of your bullets hit it, and the more points you get for it.
The fixed sections that you can move in are there so people cannot camp. The game knows where to aim so you will always be moving because there is less variables. The screen is filled with bullets that you dodge, but your inputs are based on the music playing. I don't want to have vertical movement because that will alter the timing of which you need to dodge the bullets too much.
Now that I think about this, this is one of the hardest game genres to transform into a rhythm game.
Edit: I now have a visualization of how my idea would work.
My main theory behind this is that this game mode needs to be a rhythm game first. I am all for adding as many danmaku elements as we can, but there really should be some input on the character that is rhythm based. I like the string idea with the paired bullets, but it lacks the insensitive to move much if you are playing for fun instead of for score. Another thing we would be missing with the idea is accuracy. How do we what bullets count towards score, and which ones are not? We can't have 3000x Miss and 1% accuracy for every song.
With my idea, I thought of a slightly different movement plan. The character is still on a fixed plane, but this time it is a horizontal line or curve, which the player can travel along freely. When you tap a directional key, you move over one space. The same bullet patterns are waiting for you when you move over, but the immediate bullet in your way is deactivated if your timing was correct. It's the same game idea as before, but instead of being snapped back to the neutral area, your current location becomes the new neutral. I would imagine that you could pull a pac-man and move from one side of the stage to the other by moving too far one way.
This idea also brings back the potential boss idea. The entity moves around the top part of the stage, and the player gets bonus points (spinner bonus amount, not TOO much) for being in the position to deal damage to it. The closer you are to it, the more of your bullets hit it, and the more points you get for it.
The fixed sections that you can move in are there so people cannot camp. The game knows where to aim so you will always be moving because there is less variables. The screen is filled with bullets that you dodge, but your inputs are based on the music playing. I don't want to have vertical movement because that will alter the timing of which you need to dodge the bullets too much.
Now that I think about this, this is one of the hardest game genres to transform into a rhythm game.
Edit: I now have a visualization of how my idea would work.
Now you two are missing the point of "danmaku" which is: multiple bullets of multiple types moving at multiple speeds with multiple patterns, AT THE SAME TIME.
The following is just my opinion, I'm not saying "your concept is bad, you should change this and that", just pointing some stuff out.
Mithost: you could achieve that having some other bullets moving diagonally a bit slower, with less space between them or faster and more spaced than the other bullets, but never being on the player's path on the time of the beat so he/she can dodge them while still focusing on the main bullets, for example.
Oinari-sama: mouse control is not good for bullet dodging, especially because of how the speed works for cursor (think about CtB with relax, please do so); constant movement speed = good.
Other thing is bullet size changing: it is not good in ANY way; you should focus on bullet ammount rather than size. Where have you seen a danmaku game with bullet size changing between difficulty levels ?????????? There should be a fixed set of bullets, each with their own sizes and be the same in all maps/diffs (maybe set bullet kind by hitsound/new combo/whatever). You could make use of bigger bullets more frequent, but not turn all bullets into big bullets.
And yeah, putting accuracy there is (almost?) impossible without killing the real point of danmaku.
The following is just my opinion, I'm not saying "your concept is bad, you should change this and that", just pointing some stuff out.
Mithost: you could achieve that having some other bullets moving diagonally a bit slower, with less space between them or faster and more spaced than the other bullets, but never being on the player's path on the time of the beat so he/she can dodge them while still focusing on the main bullets, for example.
Oinari-sama: mouse control is not good for bullet dodging, especially because of how the speed works for cursor (think about CtB with relax, please do so); constant movement speed = good.
Other thing is bullet size changing: it is not good in ANY way; you should focus on bullet ammount rather than size. Where have you seen a danmaku game with bullet size changing between difficulty levels ?????????? There should be a fixed set of bullets, each with their own sizes and be the same in all maps/diffs (maybe set bullet kind by hitsound/new combo/whatever). You could make use of bigger bullets more frequent, but not turn all bullets into big bullets.
And yeah, putting accuracy there is (almost?) impossible without killing the real point of danmaku.
I agree with this, everyone who have ed this should have their own image of how this could work.Oinari-sama wrote: cv50
Each person should feel free to propose their ideas
That game has very weak gameplay, avoiding bullets is easy, the bullets on the hardest level are less frequent than touhou on easy - it's all just visual effects and enemies to shoot (I don't see music being applied to gameplay in any way there).JeMhUnTeR wrote: 605c39
can't we just base it on beathazard, but call it touhosu!? (although mapping it would be impossible :<)
Not to be mean here, but I think you are missing the point of "rhythm game", which is doing something to the beat of the music. One thing that a lot of people here are missing is that we can't have a game that is danmaku where the bullets are simply spawned on beats. Sure, it would make a nice game (see beat hazard, the touhou modded levels, etc), but it can't be an osu! game mode. It lacks too many things that make a rhythm game a rhythm game. Things like Accuracy, Combos, and actually paying attention to the beat are crucial to any gamemode that will ever go in osu!. I don't want to speak for peppy here, but I honestly think that peppy won't even lift a finger towards making this game mode if it doesn't include the fundamentals of rhythm games.JhowM wrote: 43266m
Now you two are missing the point of "danmaku" which is: multiple bullets of multiple types moving at multiple speeds with multiple patterns, AT THE SAME TIME.
My idea for a rhythm game combines both games in a 50/50 split, where both games have equal representation, and the game feels like both games. Let me explain. Danmaku games are about dodging bullets and staying alive. Rhythm games are about performing actions to the music that is playing. My idea is about dodging bullets to the music. You still dodge bullets, and you still move to the rhythm. 50/50 split.
One thing that was not shown in the picture was other note types. The main point of them will be to limit certain movement lanes and make it so you have to find safe zones (sound familiar?) without being able to camp. Certain bullets will force you to move right instead of left or vice versa, and the lasers would temporarily limit the ability to access the lane you were in when it started charging. Accuracy will also emulate a sort of "graze" system, where if you do a note perfectly, you would get an extra bonus (kind of like the rainbow 300's in osumania being worth 320 base points instead of 300). On top of that, I was thinking of adding a "deathbombing" system, where you could prevent one combo break (receiving a 100 or 50 instead of a miss) by using a one-per-song bomb attack. The bomb could also be useful for clearing out a few beats worth of bullets if you need time to think. This is the touhou part of everything. The only thing missing is vertical movement and a "focus" feature.
Alright. Let's talk about difficulty. The first thing I would like to note is that bullets would generally land on the player at the same time a hitcircle would be clicked, and each hitcircle would equal one bullet to dodge. This is pretty good until we get into streams, where it would become TOO hard to read patterns while constantly moving every 16th note. If we can translate streams (but not short 3-5 note long streams) into another kind of bullet or pattern that gives a similar feel to it without being too difficult, we will be in good shape. Any suggestions are welcome on how we can do that are welcome, because I'm a bit stumped. I guess we could make it so it's just a steady stream of bullets that follows you with it changing direction every quarter or eighth note. Ideas are welcome.
I don't see how it would be dead-easy in harder translations. We bring up the approach rate and the more complex rhythms and bullet patterns that come with hard and insane maps will scale the difficulty themselves. Normal and Easy Difficulties will be easy, sure. We just limit some certain bullets from easy and we introduce them in normals if they get out of hand.
I don't see how it would be dead-easy in harder translations. We bring up the approach rate and the more complex rhythms and bullet patterns that come with hard and insane maps will scale the difficulty themselves. Normal and Easy Difficulties will be easy, sure. We just limit some certain bullets from easy and we introduce them in normals if they get out of hand.
About implementing this like what they did in Touhou Rhythm Carnival...
I have played this game, and my least favourite mini-game was VS. Remilia.
It was awkward to play. And it didn't feel like Touhou. It felt like a more advanced version of Taiko or CtB, I'm not sure.
I really liked idea where bullets pop up in beat with the music. That way you have a music-oriented bullet hell game! Feels more like what it should be.
But then again. This is an opinion on the internet! I doubt anyone would care too much!
I have played this game, and my least favourite mini-game was VS. Remilia.
It was awkward to play. And it didn't feel like Touhou. It felt like a more advanced version of Taiko or CtB, I'm not sure.
I really liked idea where bullets pop up in beat with the music. That way you have a music-oriented bullet hell game! Feels more like what it should be.
But then again. This is an opinion on the internet! I doubt anyone would care too much!
Dolphin, it would make a great music-oriented danmaku game, but it wouldn't come close to a rhythm game (ie what we are trying to make). I understand that there are some issues with the rhythm heaven thing. We are not trying to emulate it 100%. We are just using it as a base, and solving the problems that come up.
1. If the pattern is fixed with no variations at all, then it fails. ( the NOT DANMAKU rule )
2. If the rhythm is not required to play the game, then it fails. ( the NOT RHYTHM rule )
Therefore,
1. We need a bunch of bullets with different properties.
2. We need most dodges to be rhythmic.
That's when I realize that there is absolutely no way to do traditional Touhou in osu!.
For Ouendan to osu!standard, it's easy, because it was a rhythm game.
For taiko(tatsujin) to taiko(osu!), it's easy, because it was a rhythm game.
(I don't want to talk about CTB, I never understand it)
For BMS-type to mania, it's easy, because it was a rhythm game.
For Touhou though, we need to tweak it somehow, while keeping the danmaku stuff.
So, what about we just cross the 2 together?
Imagine this, there are danmaku, and hit circles, in the same screen.
You have to evade the danmaku, then move to the hit circles, then hit the C key to earn points.
Yeah, this sounds insane, but what about making the hitcircles, like, 35% as big as the screen?
(I think the only playable difficulties are the 3 star Easy ones, but I still think this might me a good starting point)
(And of course, the hyperdash from CTB might need to appear too)
2. If the rhythm is not required to play the game, then it fails. ( the NOT RHYTHM rule )
Therefore,
1. We need a bunch of bullets with different properties.
2. We need most dodges to be rhythmic.
That's when I realize that there is absolutely no way to do traditional Touhou in osu!.
For Ouendan to osu!standard, it's easy, because it was a rhythm game.
For taiko(tatsujin) to taiko(osu!), it's easy, because it was a rhythm game.
(I don't want to talk about CTB, I never understand it)
For BMS-type to mania, it's easy, because it was a rhythm game.
For Touhou though, we need to tweak it somehow, while keeping the danmaku stuff.
So, what about we just cross the 2 together?
Imagine this, there are danmaku, and hit circles, in the same screen.
You have to evade the danmaku, then move to the hit circles, then hit the C key to earn points.
Yeah, this sounds insane, but what about making the hitcircles, like, 35% as big as the screen?
(I think the only playable difficulties are the 3 star Easy ones, but I still think this might me a good starting point)
(And of course, the hyperdash from CTB might need to appear too)
SPOILER
(I assumed the new "approach circles" approach from the inside and expand until it hit the big circle.)
I actually have another idea, but it was too similar to osu standard so I haven't mentioned it so far. Might as well throw it out here.
Fujiwara no Moukou has an "exploding bullet" attack. Fast forward to 10:56 to see the attack.
In the game, moukou unleashes some magical circles that spawns an exploding bullet after a few second. I was thinking of tweaking that into a usable adaptation for osu standard.
So instead of bullet spawn directly inside the magic circles, we can make the magic circle the ONLY safe place when that particular trap explodes. The magic circle can appear with the same timing like in HD mod, then explode when it's time to hit the beat in osu standard. The "shrapnel" should disappear quicker than in the game obviously or the character will suffer damage in a jumpy map.
This idea was scrapped because it's almost like a skin for osu standard, not a separate game mode. The advantage of course is that it'll be easy to adapt standard map for touhosu mode.
I'll just leave it here, maybe this can help someone to come up with a better idea.
@sakuya
Actually I thought about doing the complete opposite to what I posted above too. Making the character earn points by "eating" more bullets. Glad you mentioned yours.
Fujiwara no Moukou has an "exploding bullet" attack. Fast forward to 10:56 to see the attack.
In the game, moukou unleashes some magical circles that spawns an exploding bullet after a few second. I was thinking of tweaking that into a usable adaptation for osu standard.
So instead of bullet spawn directly inside the magic circles, we can make the magic circle the ONLY safe place when that particular trap explodes. The magic circle can appear with the same timing like in HD mod, then explode when it's time to hit the beat in osu standard. The "shrapnel" should disappear quicker than in the game obviously or the character will suffer damage in a jumpy map.
This idea was scrapped because it's almost like a skin for osu standard, not a separate game mode. The advantage of course is that it'll be easy to adapt standard map for touhosu mode.
I'll just leave it here, maybe this can help someone to come up with a better idea.
@sakuya
Actually I thought about doing the complete opposite to what I posted above too. Making the character earn points by "eating" more bullets. Glad you mentioned yours.
This is something Tasha quickly scrapped together, so it's all made by him. It's extremely simple and far from a functional game, thus the pre-prototype title. He's actively developing and trying to create this osu! based bulletstorm game, so let's hope for the best.
Unreadable mess, nowhere near what it should look like. I just quickly mapped this on top of djpop's diff to see how it would look. Nice visualization though.
You will hear some osu! notification sounds in this video, so don't get paranoid while watching this.
Wow that's a lot of bullets xDtheowest wrote: tpu
This is something Tasha quickly scrapped together, so it's all made by him. It's extremely simple and far from being a functional game, thus the pre-prototype title. He's actively developing and trying to create this osu! based bulletstorm game, so let's hope for the best.
Unreadable mess, nowhere near what it should look like. I just quickly mapped this on top of djpop's diff to see how it would look. Nice visualization though.
You will hear some osu! notification sounds in this video, so don't get paranoid while watching this.
Nice visualisation. Imagine the "Magical Circle" (refer to my post on previous page) moves around the map like autoplay and the hero has to hide in it all the time...
Can add a Grace bonus for those who dares to venture outside of the Magical Circle lol
Primula_old
I'd prefer something a bit more like Osu! where by interacting with beats causes objects to sprout of which you then dodge.
Eg. Clicking a hitcircle would cause mini circles which sprout from it after a couple seconds, then you go to the next hitcircle and continue on causing a build up of mini circles of which you dodge.
All current modes follow the same sort of logic where your actions follow a beat, but the current idea of what people have with Touhosu (pattern of objects spawn on beat of which you then dodge) does not follow this same logic, because you're dodging a beat which was in the past.
Eg. Clicking a hitcircle would cause mini circles which sprout from it after a couple seconds, then you go to the next hitcircle and continue on causing a build up of mini circles of which you dodge.
All current modes follow the same sort of logic where your actions follow a beat, but the current idea of what people have with Touhosu (pattern of objects spawn on beat of which you then dodge) does not follow this same logic, because you're dodging a beat which was in the past.
I think Mithost Point of view is one of the most correct ones i've seen so far... Obviously we have to add other kind of bullets and lasers etc, but I think touhosu! should be a RHYTHM BASED Game first of all...
And the concept that Mithost is showing is the closest to it i've seen so far in 3 pages of comments...
And the concept that Mithost is showing is the closest to it i've seen so far in 3 pages of comments...
The video is very close to how I imagine the gamemode to be like. Placed notes will explode into balls that the player must dodge with the cursor. I think drain should be constantly refilling with each ed object. Each time you touch a ball it will remove a chunk of HP. Hit too many balls and you will surely fail.
Surviving each object adds a combo and getting hit will either break your combo or give you less points depending on how much of the ball touches your cursor. A lenient combo break system would increase the variety of scores in the leaderboard and make mod usage more approachable. Your accuracy will be based on the number of times you got hit and how badly those hits were determined. If you make it to the end of the song without getting hit you get a perfect score.
Mods will provide an extra degree of challenge to those who request it. The standard mods would fit very nicely into the gameplay. Hidden would make the balls disappear and the player would have to dodge them without seeing them. Doubletime and flashlight would be exactly the same. Hardrock could make the balls larger or something or the balls could move faster from the center of the note.
The main issue is balancing the scoring system. Adding mods would make this gamemode exceptionally more difficult. It would be very hard to perform well with mods applied. Mods shouldn't make playing the game impossible. It wouldn't be worth the extra bonus.
Surviving each object adds a combo and getting hit will either break your combo or give you less points depending on how much of the ball touches your cursor. A lenient combo break system would increase the variety of scores in the leaderboard and make mod usage more approachable. Your accuracy will be based on the number of times you got hit and how badly those hits were determined. If you make it to the end of the song without getting hit you get a perfect score.
Mods will provide an extra degree of challenge to those who request it. The standard mods would fit very nicely into the gameplay. Hidden would make the balls disappear and the player would have to dodge them without seeing them. Doubletime and flashlight would be exactly the same. Hardrock could make the balls larger or something or the balls could move faster from the center of the note.
The main issue is balancing the scoring system. Adding mods would make this gamemode exceptionally more difficult. It would be very hard to perform well with mods applied. Mods shouldn't make playing the game impossible. It wouldn't be worth the extra bonus.
Well there are games like Symphony that are danmaku-esk with cursor movement.JhowM wrote: 43266m
which danmaku game you play with mouse ?w?w?w?w?[CSGA]Ar3sgice wrote: 5a44y
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doding danmaku with mouse is much easier than keyboard..
But keyboard controls with 4 directions (8 if you count left-up right-down etc) has much more solid gameplay and controls than mouse.
"Is this a Rhythm Game?" I think that is the only requirement for a potential gamemode in osu!. Sure, the bullets spawn to music, but the player would probably doing the opposite, slightly nudging themselves over every few milliseconds and only watching the aftermath of what appeared before them. Touhou causes ridiculous tunnel vision when playing, and the chance that players will even see what is going on 'rhythmically' above them is zero-to-none.TheVileOne wrote: 4cy22
The video is very close to how I imagine the gamemode to be like. Placed notes will explode into balls that the player must dodge with the cursor. I think drain should be constantly refilling with each ed object. Each time you touch a ball it will remove a chunk of HP. Hit too many balls and you will surely fail.
Surviving each object adds a combo and getting hit will either break your combo or give you less points depending on how much of the ball touches your cursor. A lenient combo break system would increase the variety of scores in the leaderboard and make mod usage more approachable. Your accuracy will be based on the number of times you got hit and how badly those hits were determined. If you make it to the end of the song without getting hit you get a perfect score.
Mods will provide an extra degree of challenge to those who request it. The standard mods would fit very nicely into the gameplay. Hidden would make the balls disappear and the player would have to dodge them without seeing them. Doubletime and flashlight would be exactly the same. Hardrock could make the balls larger or something or the balls could move faster from the center of the note.
The main issue is balancing the scoring system. Adding mods would make this gamemode exceptionally more difficult. It would be very hard to perform well with mods applied. Mods shouldn't make playing the game impossible. It wouldn't be worth the extra bonus.
If you want an example of this, fullscreen tasha's video. Now get a piece of paper roughly the size of your monitor, and cut a circular hole in it with a coin or something. No matter how loud you turn up the music, no matter how many visualizations you have in the background, this is what the player will see when playing.
This is what bothers me though. Tasha's video and the ideas being put around here are amazing super-cool ideas, but most of them don't fit in osu!'s structure at all. Nobody would be able to say "That's a rhythm based game!" if you turned off the BGM on this game mode. By using the hitbursts=bullet spread style, we have to throw out the only mechanics that hold osu!'s gamemodes together. BPM no longer means anything. Accuracy would be over-complicated at best to implement. Combos? Forget them. I'm not usually pessimistic, but this design is not a rhythm game, not even the slightest!
this kind of really hard to dodge.theowest wrote: tpu
This is something Tasha quickly scrapped together, so it's all made by him. It's extremely simple and far from a functional game, thus the pre-prototype title. He's actively developing and trying to create this osu! based bulletstorm game, so let's hope for the best.
Unreadable mess, nowhere near what it should look like. I just quickly mapped this on top of djpop's diff to see how it would look. Nice visualization though.
You will hear some osu! notification sounds in this video, so don't get paranoid while watching this.
I don't care if it's related to the rhythm or not. If peppy adds it, it would be a unique flare to osu! and I can guarantee people would play it. Imagine how many new players would osu! just because it has a Touhou-esque game in it. If you can translate the game nicely, it would be a big plus to osu! as a game.
You got a valid point. All I am hoping for really is a rhythm-oriented game mode that works kinda like Danmakufu.TheVileOne wrote: 4cy22
I don't care if it's related to the rhythm or not. If peppy adds it, it would be a unique flare to osu! and I can guarantee people would play it. Imagine how many new players would osu! just because it has a Touhou-esque game in it. If you can translate the game nicely, it would be a big plus to osu! as a game.
Also it would be nice if it got its own editor where you can adjust bullet-type, amount, direction etc. To keep complexity and variation.
An issue would be having Touhosu-specific maps, people would want to make these, but for these to be ranked we need to make a ranking criteria for it.
But nearly all Shmups are ridiculously difficult. So where do we limit the difficulty for Easy for instance? How hard should it be? How easy should it be?
We need to know this, and I think basing the diff-spread after Touhou would be a general bad idea, since the difficulty curve on Touhou is steep.
We also need to know what should be allowed and disallowed. If you're inexperienced and want to create an Insane difficulty by basing it of Touhou Lunatic, you might think that any pattern and bullet density/speed is allowed, but that's not quite true. There are always limitations.
I guess if you can't beat them, them. I hope my idea still stands, but I'm going to move on to trying to get a rhythm fighting game made for osu! instead. For this idea however, one thing I would want to incorporate are small things that really mix the game and the song together, in the same way osu!'s menu and games like rhythm heaven do very well.
One thing I would like to see with the 'main idea' is a clear indication of BPM in the character. Just a simple movement like moving slightly side to side, have the visible hitbox/grazebox have a pulse effect sort of like the menu animation, just something. Wait... I have an idea with graze, just a small one.
Graze is usually a constant stream of bonus points you get for staying ridiculously close to a danmaku. To help with the rhythm aspect of the game, I just had the idea of making graze only active on the beats of a song, or reward more points for grazing during a beat and less during offbeats, creating more of a 'curve' than a steady stream of points.
If the changing size of danmaku's didn't affect the hitboxes or gameplay, I would suggest that they pulse to the BPM as well. I think they could still have animations if they were done right.
Last thing to note right now, has anyone made a pippi touhou sprite?
One thing I would like to see with the 'main idea' is a clear indication of BPM in the character. Just a simple movement like moving slightly side to side, have the visible hitbox/grazebox have a pulse effect sort of like the menu animation, just something. Wait... I have an idea with graze, just a small one.
Graze is usually a constant stream of bonus points you get for staying ridiculously close to a danmaku. To help with the rhythm aspect of the game, I just had the idea of making graze only active on the beats of a song, or reward more points for grazing during a beat and less during offbeats, creating more of a 'curve' than a steady stream of points.
If the changing size of danmaku's didn't affect the hitboxes or gameplay, I would suggest that they pulse to the BPM as well. I think they could still have animations if they were done right.
Last thing to note right now, has anyone made a pippi touhou sprite?