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Melophobia wrote: 522q4p

Alright
f_ck yeah
Seph
rank it now

Seph wrote: e4q1c

rank it now
[General]
The spinner circle middle point is off-center.

[Easy]
00:12:629 (1) - This flows better ctrl + h'd. Also not very symmetrical.
00:33:623 (1) - Remove new combo
00:37:440 (1) - ^

[Normal]
00:14:537 (5) - Make up your mind on whether you want combos 1 measure long or 2 measures long.
00:22:172 (5) - ^
00:29:806 (5) - ^

[Taiko]
Why is the OD so low? Raise that.

[CtB]
00:46:983 - I'm surprised you didn't add the storyboard ghost here.

[TVO]
Add a spinner somewhere so that there can be variability in score.
The varying distance snap used all over during the intro makes for bad flow considering how little the music is changing (not at all)
In general the difficulty feels quite a bit harder in comparison to Normal. As much as I personally like them, the small circles and very large spacing is to blame here. Think you can tone it down a little bit to conform to the rest of the set better?
Topic Starter

Garven wrote: 2k1v16

[General]
The spinner circle middle point is off-center. .__. okay let's see how i can fix that. Asked MLGnom ... let's hope he can help me :3 okay MLGnom fixed it for me :3

[Easy]
00:12:629 (1) - This flows better ctrl + h'd. Also not very symmetrical. one of these moments where I think... why did i not see that earlier ^^ fixed :3
00:33:623 (1) - Remove new combo okay
00:37:440 (1) - ^ I don't know. For me a new music phrase starts there. I can see why it is suggested but I really think there should be a NCremoved now

[Normal]
00:14:537 (5) - Make up your mind on whether you want combos 1 measure long or 2 measures long. Set new combo on each (5) spot you pointed out :3 made it possible to get the right color on 00:39:348 (1) - too ^^ my minimalistic ghost slider, even though i think these (5) spots look better without a NC I don't mind that either ^^
00:22:172 (5) - ^ ^
00:29:806 (5) - ^ ^

[Taiko]
Why is the OD so low? Raise that. _Gezo_ said he answered you ingame ._. raised by one

[CtB]
00:46:983 - I'm surprised you didn't add the storyboard ghost here. dunno why i never thought about adding him there xD added, reason why it was not set there was actually because at first i wanted the SB only in E and N because the spinner makes the ghost effect in standard better. But since Hard should / had to have one too I can add it there as well
thank you :3
let's wait for TVO
Just saw this... shouldn't the artist name be Junichi Masuda?

Composers are usually credited first name then last name. The artist himself also romanizes his name as Junichi Masuda; for example see his twitter and this release which even says on the cover Junichi Masuda Selection CD and not Masuda Junichi Selection CD.

I think there's a strong case that the artist should be changed. (Yeah I know the thread is already LONG :P)
Topic Starter
orz
p/2106990
and before anyone blames Melo.
The bubble pop came after Melo talked with me about this.
I really don't know why we even must have this rule. It only causes confusion
anyway ... unless a BAT says now that I should change I will keep this thing in mind and so
I changed it because I couldn't find any album with a quick google search, and wikipedia gave me the japanese way and so ... uh.
So I agreed with Melo and changed it to the way it is now

So my questions:
If I have to change it:
Completly deleting the whole japanese written way?
Or somehow make it like the name on twitter .__.
Or just change the romanised way ._.

EDIT

how it goes
20:15 bomber34: hi
20:16 bomber34: http://osu-ppy-sh.jeuxcrack.net/forum/p/2128387 there is a bit confusion now
20:19 Garven: Oh whoops
20:19 Garven: We usually put the jp artist name in the First -> Last name
20:19 Garven: Now that we have the unicode option as well, we can put the JP order as well
20:20 bomber34: well the suggestion i got is that I use the japanese way for the japanese letters and the western for the

romanised way. But nobody is sure about that either
20:21 Garven: Do it that way.
20:22 bomber34: okay. Will update when TVO gives me his update.

p/2124611 recent map that seems to do the similar thing


hope people can live with that ... hopefully
I would change the circle size, but I don't want to disappoint anyone looking forward to the current circle size. I'm not sure if this is relevant though. I want to just roll the dice and see what people think.
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I actually would like to keep CS6 if possible. Really dig that
know enough people who think the same

EDIT:
TVO lowered spacing on alot of places and added spinner
EDIT:

Shulin wrote: 50b6b

Just saw this... shouldn't the artist name be Junichi Masuda?

Composers are usually credited first name then last name. The artist himself also romanizes his name as Junichi Masuda; for example see his twitter and this release which even says on the cover Junichi Masuda Selection CD and not Masuda Junichi Selection CD.

I think there's a strong case that the artist should be changed. (Yeah I know the thread is already LONG :P)
I think your case doesn't matter much. Everytime we romanize our names we use "firstname => surname" format. Go check Wikipedia and you'll notice it's using that format too. And for japanese people, it is taken for granted so we never use "surname => firstname" in public places, which is including Twitter, and CD cover too. This is why he uses "Junichi Masuda". That's not his own argument, but common sense among japanese people. As a japanese person, I don't think it's appropriate to use "Junichi Masuda" just because he's using it in several places.

See also:

Suzully wrote: 6z6m2x

A Japanese person's name consists of family name first and first name next.(a rule of osu follows this)
However in an official place(like iTunes store), we write our first names first, and write our family names next as well as other countries.
The problem is, the ranking rules state "Eastern artists must be written in the proper 'surname firstname' format". I'm not sure if it makes sense and is even necessary, but rule is exactly rule. Obviously MAT shouldn't encourage mappers to scrap rules as we're here to enforce them upon mappers.

That's it. I would appreciate if you guys give me your thoughts. And gather further opinions if possible.
@bomber34: I'm sorry to bother you with this. me if you or Garven thinks rebubble is necessary. I'll gladly help you out.

Melophobia wrote: 522q4p

EDIT:I think your case doesn't matter much. Everytime we romanize our names we use "firstname => surname" format. Go check Wikipedia and you'll notice it's using that format too. And for japanese people, it is taken for granted so we never use "surname => firstname" in public places, which is including Twitter, and CD cover too. This is why he uses "Junichi Masuda". That's not his own argument, but common sense among japanese people. As a japanese person, I don't think it's appropriate to use "Junichi Masuda" just because he's using it in several places.

See also:

Suzully wrote: 6z6m2x

A Japanese person's name consists of family name first and first name next.(a rule of osu follows this)
However in an official place(like iTunes store), we write our first names first, and write our family names next as well as other countries.
The problem is, the ranking rules state "Eastern artists must be written in the proper 'surname firstname' format". I'm not sure if it makes sense and is even necessary, but rule is exactly rule. Obviously MAT shouldn't encourage mappers to scrap rules as we're here to enforce them upon mappers.

That's it. I would appreciate if you guys give me your thoughts. And gather further opinions if possible.
@bomber34: I'm sorry to bother you with this. me if you or Garven thinks rebubble is necessary. I'll gladly help you out.
Well I was thinking of this rule from a worldwide perspective, but I do understand that it's probably strange for you to see the name romanised like this but at least we have the option to put Japanese characters now which can follow the Japanese format.

I think that if a Japanese artist is using First Name Last Name format in official places when releasing material worldwide then it's important to use that standard since the majority of people who are familiar with the artist (outside of Japan) will be using that name. It would be strange to enforce this rule when there are official releases where the artist has shown a clear preference or is using First Name Last Name format by default; you could think of this like a stage name which isn't uncommon anywhere in the world. It should be up to the artist to decide what name they are known by and I think the rule should be flexible and accommodate this. Personally, I think this rule needs more discussion because there too many exceptions (especially for artists outside of Japan) but this thread probably isn't the place for that. ^_^
There aren't any other maps going by this method.

http://puu.sh/24zck
Topic Starter

TheVileOne wrote: 4cy22

There aren't any other maps going by this method.

http://puu.sh/24zck
But they are before the rule?

I think I actually said everything that came to my mind here p/2128412
I have no problem with changing anything here. But please ... agree to something D: I really don't want to keep changing the artist. That is annoying >.<
>First world problems
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Stefan wrote: 5nd6l

>First world problems
It is not a big thing. Just confusing that's all ^^

Anyway redo it ---
First of all, I'm so sorry for being so narrow‐minded. I was fairly impressed at Shulin's post. And honestly, now that both formats are fine to me.
Since I'm super tired and have to sleep soon, I'll just mess up here leaving the discussion log. orz

Garven
01:02 Melophobia: iru?
01:02 *Garven is away: Busy, sorry. 忙しいごめんなさい
01:23 Garven: x_x
01:24 Garven: hikouki kippu kaimonositeru
01:24 Garven: gomen mou chotto matte kudasai
01:24 Melophobia: aa
01:24 Melophobia: mou neru hitsuyou ga aru T_T
01:24 Garven: Pokemon no map no koto?
01:24 Garven: Artist name?
01:24 Melophobia: un
01:26 Garven: Whatever you decide is fine with me. I'll defer to your judgement on the matter.
01:26 Melophobia: actually i'm fine with both :v
01:26 Garven: orz
01:27 Melophobia: if the mapper wanted to keep it consistent with old ranked maps, then i wouldn't ask him to change
01:27 Melophobia: but he agreed with me and was willing to change it
01:27 Melophobia: so i popped after some discussion
01:27 Melophobia: for +5
01:27 Garven: Haha
01:28 Garven: Well, if you rebubble, then I can just rank
01:28 Garven: Since I probably popped from TVO's big changes
01:29 Melophobia: I'd like to continue to discuss a bit more
01:30 Melophobia: although im totally fine with both formats, i wouldn't call the current state the final
01:30 Melophobia: so i wanted to ask for your thoughts on it o.o
01:31 Garven: Since we have the Unicode format available now, I'd prefer to see the Western format with the western characters
01:31 Garven: And the original country's format in the unicode
01:31 Garven: That makes the most sense to me
01:32 Melophobia: yes.. but the rule is sticking in my head
01:32 Garven: We can make a proposition to change it
01:32 Garven: Once osz2 comes out, we can change it without a need to unrank
01:33 Melophobia: but rule is still existing
01:34 Melophobia: enforce the rule for now and better to wait for removal of rule
01:34 Garven: Sure
01:34 Garven: I honestly can't which way the rule is stated w
01:35 Garven: I mostly don't care as long as we have the name right :P
01:35 Melophobia: same here
01:35 Garven: Okay, then follow rule for this one
01:35 Garven: Propose a change afterward
01:36 Melophobia: sure
02:29 Melophobia: http://puu.sh/24C0y
02:29 Melophobia: chotto atama itai desu orz
02:30 Garven: >_>
02:30 Garven: em
02:30 Garven: Nobody cares www
02:31 Melophobia: e?
02:31 Garven: You don't care
02:31 Garven: I don't care
02:31 Garven: Shulin doesn't care
02:32 Melophobia: and the mapper doesn't care
02:32 Garven: mou
02:32 Melophobia: ah
02:32 Melophobia: he said he wants to use the current one
02:32 Garven: Then let's use the current one.
02:32 Melophobia: ok
02:33 Melophobia: i'll rebubble soon~~
Shulin
02:02 Melophobia: hi
02:02 Shulin: hey :)
02:03 Melophobia: first of all, thank you for your opinion, that's quite impressive to me
02:03 Melophobia: I was a bit too narrow‐minded apparently, sorry for that
02:04 Shulin: It's fine, I understand your concerns xD
02:05 Melophobia: I talked with Garven and we decided to follow the current rule for now
02:06 Shulin: Honestly, I think the rule needs more thought
02:06 Melophobia: but it doesn't mean we are going to throw away your opinion
02:06 Melophobia: http://puu.sh/24AK3
02:06 Melophobia: here's the log
02:07 Melophobia: my point is,
02:07 Melophobia: I will enforce the rule for now since it's still existing
02:07 Melophobia: but after looking into your thought, I find the rule to be just stupid or confusing
02:08 Shulin: Ahh I understand that, actually I think a change should be proposed first before enforcing it =P
02:08 Shulin: It's very confusing since all the previous maps are using the other format
02:10 Melophobia: yeah
02:11 Melophobia: we just need to discuss it and the said rule should be removed because of artist unicode
02:12 Melophobia: and osz2 will enable us to change old ranked maps without unranking
02:12 Melophobia: umm i lost my point..
02:12 Melophobia: i just wanted to see your thought on this
02:13 Shulin: well i'm fine either way, I don't want to make a big fuss over it
02:13 Shulin: I think I'd want to keep it consistent with the older maps for now
02:13 Shulin: just because if you were to search for the artist in game it'd be strange
02:14 Melophobia: but they were ranked when the said rule wasn't formulated yet, apparently
02:14 Shulin: and if you search junichi masuda in game for example, you don't get this map if it's listed as masuda junichi
02:14 Melophobia: I don't know because I haven't arrived here yet at that time :v
02:14 Melophobia: that's right
02:15 Shulin: I actually don't know when this new rule was introduced
02:15 Shulin: fairly recently I think
02:15 Melophobia: at least when i started mapping it was already there
02:16 Shulin: the only discussion I can find is 7 months old
02:16 Shulin: but the result was inconclusive, it didn't seem there was an argreement =S
02:16 Melophobia: abalee's thread?
02:16 Shulin: yep
02:17 Melophobia: umm
02:17 Melophobia: now that i don't know what to do..
02:19 Shulin: it's so confusing! xD
02:19 Shulin: well we could open a discussion in mod lounge forum
02:19 Shulin: or just let the mapper decide which they prefer
02:20 Shulin: with osz2 it can be changed anyway, so it can be changed to whatever the rule may be then
02:21 Melophobia: alright
02:22 Melophobia: as i said in the log i wouldn't care about it if the mapper didn't want to
02:22 Melophobia: well then i'll tell him about this
02:23 Shulin: okay ^_^
02:23 Melophobia: thanks so much!
02:23 Shulin: no problem! :)
bomber34
01:36 Melophobia: around?
01:37 bomber34: yes
01:37 Melophobia: this may be the final :v
01:37 Melophobia: http://puu.sh/24AK3
01:40 bomber34: okay read it. So just to be sure. I re-do it? Masuda Junichi?
01:40 Melophobia: Yes
01:41 bomber34: okay. orz haha then i just should have let it how it was yesterday. But (hopefully) you read the short IRC discussion i had with Garven ^^ oh well. I gonna change it now
01:41 bomber34: okay. orz haha then i just should have let it how it was yesterday. But (hopefully) you read the short IRC discussion i had with Garven ^^ oh well. I gonna change it now
01:43 bomber34: Is it okay if i post your IRC chat too?
01:43 bomber34: So that the discussion doesn't start again?
01:44 Melophobia: I'll do that when I rebubble
01:44 bomber34: oh okay :3
01:44 Melophobia: I still need to state something important :3
01:44 bomber34: something else?
01:45 Melophobia: don't worry, just an apology xD
01:45 bomber34: It is not your fault ._.
01:46 Melophobia: at least I should have explained better when i popped the bubble
01:47 bomber34: well i still think that people would have argued about that
01:47 Melophobia: rule?
01:47 Melophobia: or masuda?
01:49 bomber34: both
01:50 bomber34: I mean they would argue there are older maps who have it the other way (but they were before the rule)
01:50 bomber34: or they still would have brought other examples of the artist
01:51 Melophobia: that's just nonsense to me. don't even care
01:51 Melophobia: the problem is that rule itself
01:52 bomber34: have to say it is really confusing to me ._. I mean it seems like the staff is not sure/ confident about it either yet
01:54 Melophobia: if there isn't the said rule it'll less confusing? i don't think so..
01:54 Melophobia: *it'll be
01:54 bomber34: no not that
01:54 bomber34: I mean that people aren't sure when to do it or when not
01:55 Melophobia: a bit confused now..
01:55 Melophobia: my english sucks, sorry o_o
01:56 bomber34: my japanese sucks .... (0% skill) so you have more options than me at least
01:57 bomber34: I mean. I linked a recent map thread in my first post after Shulin said that to me
01:57 bomber34: There the artist format was made like in my case. That the unicode is the eastern way
01:57 bomber34: and the romanised one is the western way
01:58 Melophobia: yes?
01:58 bomber34: I mean that the staff is not sure if that is the right way or not
01:58 bomber34: staff, XAT team ... idk D:
01:59 Melophobia: as that's not formulated yet..
02:00 Melophobia: probably we'll have discussion very soon. but that's not a good reason to wait you so long i think
02:01 Melophobia: terrible english.. but oh well
02:01 bomber34: it isn't that bad D:
02:01 bomber34: anyway... Shulin is talking to me right now
02:01 Melophobia: so I made up my mind to follow the current rule for now and wait for osz2, or new rule
02:02 bomber34: can you sent him or her the IRC dialogue
02:02 Melophobia: umm, sure
02:07 bomber34: orz. So Shulin tells me now to not change artist ...
02:07 bomber34: can you talk with Shulin?
02:08 Melophobia: yes
02:24 Melophobia: http://puu.sh/24C0y
02:24 Melophobia: ~
02:27 bomber34: so .... it is up to me?
02:27 Melophobia: yes, apparently
02:28 Melophobia: personally prefer sticking to the rule, but shulin's point is right too
02:28 Melophobia: > 02:14 Shulin: and if you search junichi masuda in game for example, you don't get this map if it's listed as masuda junichi
02:29 bomber34: xD okay .... I personally think it would be best then to use Junichi Masuda for now. Like you said ... with osz2 you can change it if needed. I think people would like to find all Masuda maps that they have if they search for it
02:29 bomber34: xD okay .... I personally think it would be best then to use Junichi Masuda for now. Like you said ... with osz2 you can change it if needed. I think people would like to find all Masuda maps that they have if they search for it
02:30 Melophobia: ok
02:30 bomber34: actually i am open for everything. I see both sides and can agree to them but for now it will be less trouble with Junichi Masuda
02:31 bomber34: and please ^_^ re-discuss this rule xD
02:32 Melophobia: sure

tl;dr We decided to let bomber34 decide, and he decided to keep the current one for convenience and consistency. Rebubbled~
This map is now cursed! (「・ω・)「
gz!!! :D
This song. I love you.
Mercurial

Garven wrote: 2k1v16

cursed! (「・ω・)「
uhuhuhuhuhuh!

Love you Bomber :)
gg

Garven wrote: 2k1v16

This map is now cursed! (「・ω・)「
Haha, cursed. My mind is dead.
Congrats on first rank. >.<
Endlich, glückwunsch.
Nice to see this finally ranked :)
Finally omg
Gratz <3
Topic Starter
love you all <3
Epic map.. really fun to play with Flashlight :P
You really shouldn't have done that.

Garven wrote: 2k1v16

cursed! (「・ω・)「
_Gezo_ achieved rank #1 on Junichi Masuda - Lavender Town Theme [MuzuZoda] (Taiko)

Cursed people with cursed maps ~
Congratulation♥
OMG I can't believe it, congrats <3 /me suicides

inb4 massive suicides.

I wish to see some SS in TVO's Hard with HR x:
omedeto :33/
mine's better ;)

lol jk ok nice
Nightmares...
Suicides...
potatoes...
LUFTWAFFE
too scared to play D:
schmetterling.
Err... I made an insane difficulty for it. Should I just drop it here?
AHH WHAT HAVE YOU DONE?!

YOU'VE UNLEASHED DEATH AND DESTRUCTION UPON THE OSU COMMUNITY- *drowns in a sea of tiny hit circles*

RarutheLugia wrote: 38672r

Err... I made an insane difficulty for it. Should I just drop it here?
no
Seph
about time, grats
congratz..scary song :o

Gabe wrote: 1n5x2f

Escape from Lavender Town

So scared.... :(
Oh heeeeeck yes! /plays/ Gratz btw.
inb4 lots of suicides on in the osu community
Buck yeah, Glückwunsch zum Rank ^.=.^
*Spielt nach der Schule dann die Map *.=.*
Lol 17 Seiten, schwere Geburt XD
Spwintch

Bomber, now make the Mt. Silver song I told you about :> (I have a Taiko on it lel)
Topic Starter

RarutheLugia wrote: 38672r

Err... I made an insane difficulty for it. Should I just drop it here?
why not? You can also check my insane in the thread info out ;) (and the removed Taiko Oni ^^ )

DarkDunskin wrote: 3g206d

Lol 17 Seiten, schwere Geburt XD
Ja xD Timing Geschichte, BG Geschichte, SB Geschichte, 12312839183 mods, Lustige Kopfschmerz Posts, und dann kam noch Charles Post sowie die Geschichte mit dem Artist. Das kann locker 17 Seiten ergeben xDDDDD

_Gezo_ wrote: o6e3e

Spwintch

Bomber, now make the Mt. Silver song I told you about :> (I have a Taiko on it lel)
haha sure maybe that one gets ranked on Halloween

silmarilen wrote: 3y5n4j

inb4 lots of suicides on in the osu community
Stefan will actually cause this sometime soon xD
Oh u

Stefan wrote: 5nd6l

Oh u
Congratulations bomber :3 ... finally after all this time^^
And yeah, you won our race, be happy now <.< xD
Gratz, bomber34 c:
Deni
Glückwunsch! ;)
What is the point of mapping this?

Quality stupid map!
Topic Starter

JAKACHAN wrote: r3w3g

What is the point of mapping this?

Quality stupid map!
The point was to piss you off.
I succeded. So best map 2013
gg
Inb4 ironic
Err... How do you get it in puu.sh format?

Sorry, I haven't ed a beatmap via link to this day v.v"

I upped the size of the notes since I posted this video, but here's what it looks like at least:

RarutheLugia wrote: 38672r

Err... How do you get it in puu.sh format?

Sorry, I haven't ed a beatmap via link to this day v.v"

I upped the size of the notes since I posted this video, but here's what it looks like at least:
Topic Starter

RarutheLugia wrote: 38672r

Err... How do you get it in puu.sh format?

Sorry, I haven't ed a beatmap via link to this day v.v"

I upped the size of the notes since I posted this video, but here's what it looks like at least:
Have to say that I got amused ^^
anyway.
Go to the Beatmap folder where the diff is.
pack the .osu data of the diff into a .zip or .rar and that. / Or just the .osu data (but then people just get a wall of text that they have to copy into a new diff they have to create)
Map is overmapped but it looks like fun so if you can find a way maybe to it? I would like to try it x)
What have you done...

Just kidding, great beatmap! I missed this creepy song.
Mercurial

bomber34 wrote: o1q2a

gg
Mikarunoel131_DELETED
Ich liebe es :D geil xDD Toll gemacht und Glückwunsch zum Rank ! wurde ja auch mal Zeit ! :D
하악 무서어
hmm, map is short and easy, but very well. With lavender town is associated creepypasta, I like them :)
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