There's been one before, as far as I know.ziin wrote: 1o1846
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Shortage?CoroQuetz wrote: 3u1no
OnosakiHito as well~
It would be nice to have more MATs who are able to mod Taiko, there's a shortage of them at the moment~
happy30
Kiddo-Kun
Roddie
NoHitter
spboxer3
bossandy
mancusojuanmattos
Elly-Chan
+ a handful of the active BAT.
All the MATs I can think of off the top of my head that can mod/map taiko.
Knowing more than 1 gamemode is always a plus though. :p
ziin wrote: 1o1846
it was open for about 5 minutes and caused TNT: we know drama dramaMr Color wrote: 1qt6d
There's been one before, as far as I know.
Are you sure? I don't recall that happening. I the "Think you know what it takes to be a MAT?" thread that basically was this with a fancier title, but yeah. I didn't do any research about it back then as I wasn't interested in modding.
SoulBuster
Me too, dear ._. Me too >_<Bardiche_Z wrote: 1e3d4t
wish i could do this but all i have is mediocre knowledge of mapping T.T
I tried some... look at my profile (2 pending beatmaps + one graveyarded)
I'm with you Pereira006 ^^ Go go go!!!!Pereira006 wrote: x69q
omg omg omg
EDIT: I can send now ?
Also go go go Luanny (: You can![Luanny] wrote: 1a3g5e
PLEASE-Cloudchaser wrote: 612p3x
inb4 Onosakihito
Also gogo Gabe and Pereira <3 hope to see you two with the sexy purple name
Just because someone is good at mapping does not make them MAT material. It's one thing to map well, it's quite another to be able to put into words why someone is not mapping well and what they need to do to fix their mapping.
If you want my view of what a MAT should be. MATs need to be critical. They need to know where to draw the line between mapper style, and mapper error and not cave in when the mapper disagrees. as MAT you are the expert. You are the one who is trusted with upholding quality standards, so make sure you know what those standards are. The mapper is ignorant when it comes to quality standards. In any point where this is not correct, then you are the one who is ignorant.
A MAT is fair. MATs should make sure that they are modding maps from a wide variety of music, and mappers. If you only like a small variety of music, then perhaps you should take some time to expand your modding capacity so that you wont be only modding certain types of maps. A part of being fair is not being biased. If you only mod certain types of music, you are only catering to people who enjoy the types of music you like.
Bias is a problem with many mappers and pros alike.
Those who specialize in particular gamemodes are the exception.
If you want my view of what a MAT should be. MATs need to be critical. They need to know where to draw the line between mapper style, and mapper error and not cave in when the mapper disagrees. as MAT you are the expert. You are the one who is trusted with upholding quality standards, so make sure you know what those standards are. The mapper is ignorant when it comes to quality standards. In any point where this is not correct, then you are the one who is ignorant.
A MAT is fair. MATs should make sure that they are modding maps from a wide variety of music, and mappers. If you only like a small variety of music, then perhaps you should take some time to expand your modding capacity so that you wont be only modding certain types of maps. A part of being fair is not being biased. If you only mod certain types of music, you are only catering to people who enjoy the types of music you like.
Bias is a problem with many mappers and pros alike.
Those who specialize in particular gamemodes are the exception.
Sat May 28, 2011 1:57 pm (over 1 year ago)Mr Color wrote: 1qt6d
ziin wrote: 1o1846
it was open for about 5 minutes and caused TNT: we know drama drama
Are you sure? I don't recall that happening. I the "Think you know what it takes to be a MAT?" thread that basically was this with a fancier title, but yeah. I didn't do any research about it back then as I wasn't interested in modding.
Mon Aug 15, 2011 10:40 am (over 1 year ago)ztrot wrote: 21x5f
I would like to announce that we will now be taking MAT applications throughout June and into September
Fri Dec 23, 2011 12:13 pm (over 1 year ago)ztrot wrote: 21x5f
I've stopped accepting mat apps at this time I've got more than 40 of them atm and that is more than enough check back in the later on to see if we will need more but at this time app accepting is CLOSED.
Sat Dec 24, 2011 3:15 pm (over 1 year ago)ztrot wrote: 21x5f
I will now start accepting MAT apps at this time.
Sun Dec 25, 2011 3:29 pm (over 1 year ago)ztrot wrote: 21x5f
Alright our cap is reached thanks for everyone that sent in a app
Fri Dec 30, 2011 5:38 pm (over 1 year ago)ztrot wrote: 21x5f
for the love of god enjoy the holidays! The thread is gonna stay open till Jan 10th the amount of apps is far larger then I wanted it to be. And this is why the thread was closed. I don't really have the time to go through that many but against my better judgement and what not I'll leave them open for just a while longer
Yeah. 5 minutes.Derekku wrote: 5h5e
Unfortunately, the newMAT process has changed (again) and thus we are currently not accepting any more applications. We will look into the current ones and update the OP with more details as soon as possible. The moderation team as a whole apologizes for the confusion.
Shohei Ohtani
Modding amounts doesn't really determine criteria.Zexous wrote: 1t1r3x
I could probably fit all the criteria for MAT except I don't mod nearly as much as other people who deserve it so gg D:
Like, Agnes had like, 50-60 kds when she became a MAT, and now she's a kawaii BAT.
On the other side, modding a lot doesn't mean you're better. For instance, I'm not really qualified at all to be a MAT, but I have like, 500+ kds.
Sweet! I really appreciate what these guys do. I've tried having a modding queue before, it's a REAL drain on your time and mental energy. Plus, when you're at my level, you always come across that ONE map you can't clear. And then your song library is full of unranked songs when you're just playing (although you can filter them out). xD
But yeah, great to see that there are new MATs being added to the team! Hopefully we can get all of these unranked maps knocked down in number someday soon.
But yeah, great to see that there are new MATs being added to the team! Hopefully we can get all of these unranked maps knocked down in number someday soon.
Quantity will never beat Quality. However no action makes nothing. Irony ._.CDFA wrote: 2s6v1k
Modding amounts doesn't really determine criteria.Zexous wrote: 1t1r3x
I could probably fit all the criteria for MAT except I don't mod nearly as much as other people who deserve it so gg D:
Like, Agnes had like, 50-60 kds when she became a MAT, and now she's a kawaii BAT.
On the other side, modding a lot doesn't mean you're better. For instance, I'm not really qualified at all to be a MAT, but I have like, 500+ kds.
Mercurial
Posting in a locked thread.
Osama wrote: 394m4h
Pereira006 for MAT
-kevincela- wrote: 5la1p
Please,do not write things like "x for MAT" or something like that. This has been said many times,and it doesn't help the staff with any of the choosements,on the countrary it would just make the situation worse.
What do you want them to say? Even if you quote kevin's sentence, it won't stop them and why locking the thread..? D:Mercurial wrote: 5t3f12
Posting in a locked thread.
Osama wrote: 394m4h
Pereira006 for MAT-kevincela- wrote: 5la1p
Please,do not write things like "x for MAT" or something like that. This has been said many times,and it doesn't help the staff with any of the choosements,on the countrary it would just make the situation worse.
I guess that's one of the main problems when trying to get new MATs involved by applications. To know the "quality" of a mapper, you must have received a mod from them, at least that's my opinion. I can't state on mods from other people if it's not for one of my maps.TheVileOne wrote: 4cy22
They could actually provide examples as to why they deserve MAT. X for MAT states nothing about the person. This is not a popularity contest, one's qualifications must be shown through example.
Anyways, the current staff should be able to get through this problem and find the right for the staff.
Whatykcarrot wrote: 2l4v3k
Let it be. Even if it affects nothing, you don't need to make them don't do that. They have the liberty to appeal their wish. If you don't like those things, just ignore them.
Will x for MAT change anything? Nope. It shouldn't sway voting from any staff. It's not like it's going to be based on popularity. "Omg someone said val for mat, okay that's a vote from me"
Quantity doesn't mean nothing. If you're best modder ever but you only mod 5 maps per year, you won't contribute more than a common modder who mods 50+ maps per year.ykcarrot wrote: 2l4v3k
Quantity will never beat Quality. However no action makes nothing. Irony ._.CDFA wrote: 2s6v1k
Modding amounts doesn't really determine criteria.
Like, Agnes had like, 50-60 kds when she became a MAT, and now she's a kawaii BAT.
On the other side, modding a lot doesn't mean you're better. For instance, I'm not really qualified at all to be a MAT, but I have like, 500+ kds.
Also the amount of maps you check is a good index that imply your experience in a degree. Not everybody here is awesome genius isn't it?
but ofc, those whose modding quality extremely poor don't count.
just quote it, MAT is not only good at modding, but also need to contribute to the community. That is, despite kds amount is not important, it also cannot be ignored. At least, it shows your wish to help others by practical action but not only words.LKs wrote: 24g2m
Quantity doesn't mean nothing. If you're best modder ever but you only mod 5 maps per year, you won't contribute more than a common modder who mods 50+ maps per year.
Also the amount of maps you check is a good index that imply your experience in a degree. Not everybody here is awesome genius isn't it?
but ofc, those whose modding quality extremely poor don't count.
My guess is that the best MAT is one who has a balance in both quality and quantity.
Thus, Quantity = Quality, for me at least
So what I say here is that you do your best while at the same time keeping the quantity of maps you mod / help.
Quantity < Quality means bigger help from one mod, but can't keep up with the amount of maps. I don't have all day if I have to wait till the end of time!
Quantity > Quality means lower than usual help from one mod, but can do mod a lot of maps. Some would demand that the mod can be better than this.
Of course, I would like to use Quantity = Quality as my principle of modding. Of course, you start by helping little, but by time you can do better mods and for more mappers. Once you reach to the point that people liked your mods a lot, while also many say that your mods are quick enough for most people, you may have a chance to become MAT.
Just my point of becoming MAT I guess. I still have a long way to go.
Thus, Quantity = Quality, for me at least
So what I say here is that you do your best while at the same time keeping the quantity of maps you mod / help.
Quantity < Quality means bigger help from one mod, but can't keep up with the amount of maps. I don't have all day if I have to wait till the end of time!
Quantity > Quality means lower than usual help from one mod, but can do mod a lot of maps. Some would demand that the mod can be better than this.
Of course, I would like to use Quantity = Quality as my principle of modding. Of course, you start by helping little, but by time you can do better mods and for more mappers. Once you reach to the point that people liked your mods a lot, while also many say that your mods are quick enough for most people, you may have a chance to become MAT.
Just my point of becoming MAT I guess. I still have a long way to go.
MATs need to be mature and intelligent too. Quality is very important, but MATs need to know how to conduct themselves. If you can't get along with people, then probably you're not going to make a good teammate. I learned this lesson already and it has made me a better person.
Quantity isn't really important. Quantity is how mistakes happen. BAT mods can take well over an hour. My mods usually take over an hour. In order to give a truly exceptional judgment, one needs to not rush things. Bad things happen when you rush. We may not mod as much in a week as other people, but our quality shows through the thought we put into our mods.
If you look at bakari's mods you can tell they are designed just to be pushed out. The mods tend to be error prone, because the modder rushes through the checking process. A modder that rushes is not someone you want as MAT. It's realistic to expect at least 3 mods a week from the average MAT, because not everyone has the time to make quality mods.
The problem with the current system is that the MATs are not efficient in finding and modding maps that need to be ranked right away. It makes sense that many good maps get ignored, because every MAT is doing his own thing without any direction or objectives. We do not need MATs who can mod faster, we need ones who mod maps more fairly and openly. If rank ready maps are going unchecked, that's a problem, and it's not because MATs aren't modding fast enough, it's because they have their priorities elsewhere.
Edit: Fixed up sloppy sentence structure- added detail.
Quantity isn't really important. Quantity is how mistakes happen. BAT mods can take well over an hour. My mods usually take over an hour. In order to give a truly exceptional judgment, one needs to not rush things. Bad things happen when you rush. We may not mod as much in a week as other people, but our quality shows through the thought we put into our mods.
If you look at bakari's mods you can tell they are designed just to be pushed out. The mods tend to be error prone, because the modder rushes through the checking process. A modder that rushes is not someone you want as MAT. It's realistic to expect at least 3 mods a week from the average MAT, because not everyone has the time to make quality mods.
The problem with the current system is that the MATs are not efficient in finding and modding maps that need to be ranked right away. It makes sense that many good maps get ignored, because every MAT is doing his own thing without any direction or objectives. We do not need MATs who can mod faster, we need ones who mod maps more fairly and openly. If rank ready maps are going unchecked, that's a problem, and it's not because MATs aren't modding fast enough, it's because they have their priorities elsewhere.
Edit: Fixed up sloppy sentence structure- added detail.
I don't know if this thread is supposed to be open for such discussions, but it dosen't bug me at all.
Anyway, I was thinking about some people a bit. And actually I would say that TheVileOne would be a good MAT.
I saw him pretty often in the Forum, modding maps and etc.(which mods were fine(though didn't checked the latest)). Not to mention that he is pretty active in the forum and open for every discussion in a friendly and clear way. Personally I think that's also important - beeing able to communitcate/contribute to the community.
He is the only one right now I could think about, since he is really active in many topics. That's why I think a litte from my site would be reasonable/okay.
Anyway, I was thinking about some people a bit. And actually I would say that TheVileOne would be a good MAT.
I saw him pretty often in the Forum, modding maps and etc.(which mods were fine(though didn't checked the latest)). Not to mention that he is pretty active in the forum and open for every discussion in a friendly and clear way. Personally I think that's also important - beeing able to communitcate/contribute to the community.
He is the only one right now I could think about, since he is really active in many topics. That's why I think a litte from my site would be reasonable/okay.
I actually do agree a lot with Ono, I am extremely sure TVO will do a good job as a MAT, as well as Gabe. Even though some of my mods take sometimes over 3 hours for a 4-diff mapset, I can't stand strong in front of these two modders. Having read their mods, I feel small but determinated, so they must be.
I can't add much stuff about this as Ono pointed much things about TVO which could apply to Gabe too.
I'll go against kevin's quote and proudly say TVO and Gabe for MAT, but I still wish best of luck to all applicants.
I can't add much stuff about this as Ono pointed much things about TVO which could apply to Gabe too.
I'll go against kevin's quote and proudly say TVO and Gabe for MAT, but I still wish best of luck to all applicants.
Mercurial
Now, that's a really good reason why somebody must be part of the MAT.OnosakiHito wrote: 1h4bn
I don't know if this thread is supposed to be open for such discussions, but it dosen't bug me at all.
Anyway, I was thinking about some people a bit. And actually I would say that TheVileOne would be a good MAT.
I saw him pretty often in the Forum, modding maps and etc.(which mods were fine(though didn't checked the latest)). Not to mention that he is pretty active in the forum and open for every discussion in a friendly and clear way. Personally I think that's also important - beeing able to communitcate/contribute to the community.
He is the only one right now I could think about, since he is really active in many topics. That's why I think a litte from my site would be reasonable/okay.
I also think TVO would make a good MAT. He writes wonderful mods in which he explains everything thoroughly and persists when the mapper denies to change a vaild point he makes. Not only are his mods well put together, he's also (from what I've seen) very intelligent and doesn't hesitate to provide and speak out his opinion during a discussion of a topic that a lot of people feel strongly about, even if/when he is going against the majority in of opinion.
Good luck to all of the applicants in general as well. There's a handful of you out there that really deserve it.
Good luck to all of the applicants in general as well. There's a handful of you out there that really deserve it.
Shohei Ohtani
"I think that x would be a very good MAT because he makes good maps and hes so kawaii lol xd"deadbeat wrote: 819
I think it would be interesting if we could also send nominations with up to 3 names and reason why we think that person, or people would make good MAT's. maybe not for this round since it's all ready started, but might be something nice if there are open applications again
That'll be like half of the PMs.
Or it'll be like
"I think that x would be a MAT since (s)he has lots of kudosu and mods a lot"
"I think x should be MAT because he helped me alot"
It's one of those things that leaving it open to the general public to decide would be more problematic than helpful.
Also, not going to comment much on who I feel should be a MAT. Of course I have opinions, but I like to listen to authority when they say "Don't post "x for MAT""
You deserve it TVO. I meant the best is to keep balance of quality and quantity, but you're right, quantity below quality might work well at times.TheVileOne wrote: 4cy22
Thanks for the . I didn't really expect it since everyone was so focused on other people. Even more surprising is that the people that other people are voting for are the same people in of me.
Thorough modding would mean Quality > Quantity, or can be equal if you can suit with the quantity (Through experience, you will). But try not to get too much thoroughness that it took too long. You know what LKs said.
But overall, TVO deserves to be a MAT, even tho I never met him on my maps, but he's already powerful enough just by his words.
Edit: Sorry MMzz, got a bit carried away. ><
I was in a writing mood. If this is not ed discussion here I can edit this out. I've been meaning to create a guide to modding for awhile, and I decided here was a good place to try to educate a few applicants that may not be as ready as they think they are.
Spoilered it, just to avoid bias. It's a draft for my new modding guide.
Spoilered it, just to avoid bias. It's a draft for my new modding guide.
SPOILER
Being able to mod fast has its pros. However I doubt many can catch everything by modding quickly. If we're concerning ourselves with bubbling a map, then we must make sure it is ready to rank. A bubble should mean that all errors in this map that should be fixed and can be fixed to make the beatmap more enjoyable are addressed with a better reason than the mapper is too lazy to do it. Quantity will not make you a better MAT. It will just make nazi-modders like me point the finger at you when they see easily fixable things get ranked. People still wonder why the quality has been dropping since 2011, it's because of MATs and BATs not taking their time, and things being ranked well before they have a reasonable number of mods.
Casual modding is less thorough and more relaxed. Some of my mods are not as thorough as they could be. Sometimes I'm just not up to spending the day trying to find optimal solutions, or the song selection is not one I would consider mapping, or it could just be that the way the mapper has his patterns that the solutions break those patterns. Casual modding takes less time, but it increases the risk you missed something. In fact I will tell people if I could only casual mod something. Bubble modding requires a thorough check.
Mini-guidelines for MAT qualification
A thorough check is more than just mentioning the most noticeable issues. Mappers are relying on you as an expert to find errors in your map. Well okay some just want the bubble, but that's not how it should work. You should go to MATs for a thorough check of a beatmap. As a MAT you would want to ask yourself "can this map be made better?". If you want to become a part of MAT, make sure you can answer that question. That question is still hard even for me to answer. When I find that I cannot answer this question or I cannot define how to make it better, those are the times I resort to more casual modding. The answer is made easier with a second opinion.
If you want to be MAT, even if you do not make it, make sure you can confidently ask this question and be able to convey your concerns to the mapper. MATs have every right not to bubble a map. It would be a service to the osu community to deny a bubble if you feel a map is not ready. Know how to say no to people.
Work on your problem solving skills, and have an opinion that has meaning. Empty opinions are those not related to how something looks or plays from experience. Try to avoid those unless it's really obvious or necessary. With experience one learns what things to mention or not mention. Do not be afraid to give your opinion, especially one you feel strongly about. Do not assume the mapper is psychic and will know what people dislike in a map. One must tread lightly when dealing with mapper style, but make sure to address style issues. Something that is consistently wrong through the entire map is still wrong regardless of style, but many style issues are personal preference. Make sure you can tell the difference between something that's different, and something that must be changed. The BATs are equipped to make this kind of decision, so you shouldn't have to worry too much about forcing someone to change their style, but if you dislike it, please make a habit of mentioning it to the mapper. I certainly don't like it when everyone lets an error go unnoticed in my map that I realize is there after its ranked. Modding is all about .
If you keep all of this in mind, your mods will be better and your chances of being an MAT in the future will be better.
-TheVileOne
Casual modding is less thorough and more relaxed. Some of my mods are not as thorough as they could be. Sometimes I'm just not up to spending the day trying to find optimal solutions, or the song selection is not one I would consider mapping, or it could just be that the way the mapper has his patterns that the solutions break those patterns. Casual modding takes less time, but it increases the risk you missed something. In fact I will tell people if I could only casual mod something. Bubble modding requires a thorough check.
Mini-guidelines for MAT qualification
A thorough check is more than just mentioning the most noticeable issues. Mappers are relying on you as an expert to find errors in your map. Well okay some just want the bubble, but that's not how it should work. You should go to MATs for a thorough check of a beatmap. As a MAT you would want to ask yourself "can this map be made better?". If you want to become a part of MAT, make sure you can answer that question. That question is still hard even for me to answer. When I find that I cannot answer this question or I cannot define how to make it better, those are the times I resort to more casual modding. The answer is made easier with a second opinion.
If you want to be MAT, even if you do not make it, make sure you can confidently ask this question and be able to convey your concerns to the mapper. MATs have every right not to bubble a map. It would be a service to the osu community to deny a bubble if you feel a map is not ready. Know how to say no to people.
Work on your problem solving skills, and have an opinion that has meaning. Empty opinions are those not related to how something looks or plays from experience. Try to avoid those unless it's really obvious or necessary. With experience one learns what things to mention or not mention. Do not be afraid to give your opinion, especially one you feel strongly about. Do not assume the mapper is psychic and will know what people dislike in a map. One must tread lightly when dealing with mapper style, but make sure to address style issues. Something that is consistently wrong through the entire map is still wrong regardless of style, but many style issues are personal preference. Make sure you can tell the difference between something that's different, and something that must be changed. The BATs are equipped to make this kind of decision, so you shouldn't have to worry too much about forcing someone to change their style, but if you dislike it, please make a habit of mentioning it to the mapper. I certainly don't like it when everyone lets an error go unnoticed in my map that I realize is there after its ranked. Modding is all about .
If you keep all of this in mind, your mods will be better and your chances of being an MAT in the future will be better.
-TheVileOne
I was not doing such things at all. I was merely discussing the modding process in general. In fact when I get the chance, I will be moving my essay over to a private area. I just thought it might encourage better modding practices, and thus help people become qualified for MAT. I'm not trying to coerce the results or even making nominations or suggesting how MATs should be chosen. I was merely stating, this is what I suggest to make your chances better. If you feel what I say is incorrect, well it's basically information I've gotten from other s and BATs.
I had a feeling it was going to be offtopic while I was making it.
There's no need to lock on my accord.
I had a feeling it was going to be offtopic while I was making it.
There's no need to lock on my accord.
TheVileOne wrote: 4cy22
I was not doing such things at all. I was merely discussing the modding process in general.
I don't want to sound rude (which I probably do by now), however please let's not discuss such matters here. You can always create a new thread about such things in a more appropriate (beatmaps) forum.MMzz wrote: 2i3zq
Keep this related to MAT applications please. Not saying why someone should be a MAT, that is for us, the staff to decide.
I think quality matters more than quantity
I mean who cares if you have a ton of kid but rarely actually help mappers with your mods?
But at the same time, if you barely mod at all, then you probably shouldn't be a MAT, no matter how good your mods are.
So I think it's a mixture of both, but quality more so.
But, that's, like, totally my opinion, man. I guess a MAT/BAT would probably give a better answer.
I mean who cares if you have a ton of kid but rarely actually help mappers with your mods?
But at the same time, if you barely mod at all, then you probably shouldn't be a MAT, no matter how good your mods are.
So I think it's a mixture of both, but quality more so.
But, that's, like, totally my opinion, man. I guess a MAT/BAT would probably give a better answer.
Although there isn't a minimum kudosu amount listed, it does help to show that you've been helpful to others in the community in a constant and consistent manner. We use the kudosu links to review modding style if we are unable to research the individual otherwise, so the more recent examples the better, but it's not the only avenue available.
Shohei Ohtani