With the strict rules in place by Lord Farquaad, the entire subforum took an unexpected twist with a future now very different than what I thought it would be just a few day ago. Just a few days ago was the OT civil war, the great debate over what is quality which spawned into OT denizens fighting themselves over how to promote quality. Oldfag's approach to get rid of any shit and newfag's approch to make more quality and leave shit alone. Sad to say, the oldfags won. Lord Farquaad ended it all by placing in rules that slowed OT down to a near halt and prevented OT denizens to shitpost.

Why is the oldfag approach wrong? Consider this: How often do we see threads that would be not considered utter shit? Not often enough. OT became a meta circlejerk, but frankly that's the only think that kept it alive and allowed the OT denizen population to increase. We had something to talk about, be it about how the OP should die because the shitpost sucks or some other thing that makes little no coherent sense. Now with those threads gone via Farquaad's shit filter, there are so few new threads being made.

Who is going to make threads which will allow OT denizens to post in now? You can create one thread a day. There are so many OT denizens, most of which don't know what thread to make which would allow it to flourish. The ones that do exist do not interest many to post in. Birthday thread? Post a dancing loli and move on. Start posting shit? Lord Farquaad's lock hammer. With no opportunity to interact, OT denizens will leave to places where they can. Many will leave for either GD and take their chances there or keep hitting F5 in G&R until they get something to farm post count.

Quality in OT should be achieved with shitposts around. That's the static noise inherent to OT. Shitposts allows us to know and spend time with one another. Through this interaction we created a culture unique to OT. We can't have quality without shitposts if the lack of shitposts will make everyone leave. Going from here, the rules will choke OT until only a few threads like ITT2 remain with pages going to 100+

waiting for tae response

I wish that whoever started this bullshit conflict would just take a step back and see what he's caused.

This proves again: Nothing good comes from shit like this. At the end everyone just ends up unhappy. Well done for ruining OT, asshole! Well done.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Railey2 wrote: 6a2u27

I wish that whoever started this bullshit conflict would just take a step back and see what he's caused.

This proves again: Nothing good comes from shit like this. At the end everyone just ends up unhappy. Well done for ruining OT, asshole! Well done.

you were one of the biggest instigators of this drama

Sad

Railey2 wrote: 6a2u27

I wish that whoever started this bullshit conflict would just take a step back and see what he's caused.

This proves again: Nothing good comes from shit like this. At the end everyone just ends up unhappy. Well done for ruining OT, asshole! Well done.

the thread "newfags vs oldfags"? that was you in case you forgot

i predict, johnmedina999 will win president of ot and will be assassinated by the edgy flanster

roshan117 wrote: 5t1e2u

waiting for tae response

nah I got what I wanted (besides serious discussion going to GD) so I'm done with this topic now

DaddyCoolVipper wrote: 4p47

Railey2 wrote: 6a2u27

I wish that whoever started this bullshit conflict would just take a step back and see what he's caused.

This proves again: Nothing good comes from shit like this. At the end everyone just ends up unhappy. Well done for ruining OT, asshole! Well done.

you were one of the biggest instigators of this drama

nonsense, i would never do such a thing!

But the person that was, you know, REALLY responsible. That person should be banned forever. Or better: Doxxed and killed IRL

man, aren't you extra edgy today

You think my call for justice is edgy?? I just want that the people that started this are held ible! I mean look at this mess: A temporary decrease of new threads is such a serious threat to all of OT, i think we need to take action here.

Who were these so-called oldfags asking for restrictions advocating for restrictions on posting being put in place? I have always advocated against any restrictions. But regardless, to put thing in perspective, it's just a drama of little consequence - and it would remain such if mods like Ephemeral didn't get involved and create new arbitrary posting restrictions.

I think if we applied the rules of the free market to this problem, we could solve it rapid fast

The future is dark

Railey2 wrote: 6a2u27

I think if we applied the rules of the free market to this problem, we could solve it rapid fast

That's pretty much. Free market principles won't exactly "fix" all the problems, neither will all of these arbitrary rules and regulations which makes things even worse. Like most things of this nature, it doesn't address the fundamental root causes behind the problem, it is just a band-aid solution. The content is derived from the community; people post what they like, and associate with other people who post like them. The community self regulates, as content will reflect what the community or parts of the community enjoy; people shitpost because they enjoy doing that, they don't post "quality" because they don't enjoy doing that. And that's not a problem because, previously at least, we haven't been operating under a democracy: we don't say that everyone has to post one type of content because 51% of posters do, people are free to associate with the type of content they want to in their own threads, with little inconvenience to anyone else. People vote with their posts, so to speak. And you are also free to ostracise those who post content you don't like. The system was fine how it was. But now however, apparently due to a vocal minority and an overbearing mod, we now are forcing out certain content and thus s, for no good reason. Basically just "fuck you, I don't like you so you have to leave". If you want to make OT "valhalla" again, then what you need to do is get better s, or encourage existing posters to post better content. Incidentally, one of the reasons most of the oldfags left to Tuuba was because of mods making it difficult for s in OT. Let's not make that mistake again.

Question I'd like to ask to Ephemeral: Did you intend to suffocate OT and slowly kill it? If not, you made a mistake. If so, realize what you are destroying. And no, you are not destroying garbage us shits made, you are destroying something a lot bigger than that. Perhaps you went out of touch with OT quite some time ago and are not aware what it has evolved to.

But maybe you are aware and don't care so long as the mods don't have to work overtime and we don't complain about shit. What do I know?

B1rd you said it yourself. All these regulations make things worse and don't address the root of the problem. However the opposite would actually give us the chance to self-regulate ourselves into becoming a great community.

Imagine two scenarios.

A) Everyone gets soda and can decide what soda they like or not. If they don't like a type of soda, they don't have to take it.
B) Everyone gets soda, but some people can't get the type of soda that they want anymore because the upper echelon decided to ban it.

Now which one is closer to communism???

It's clear that we need option A), which is the equivalent of the free market. The s create their own supply and demand without interference. In B) the supply gets controlled in an effort to change the demand, which is bad because it undermines the 's freedom.

In other words: We need the free market. Option A). This is the only way we can actually get good quality long-term. If you force it out with B), it'll just collapse as soon as you look away.

The free market is our only option.



PS: if OT dies I will shoot myself and it's gonna be Ephemerals fault xd

B1rd wrote: 4w393k

then what you need to do is get better s, or encourage existing posters to post better content.

this is what i agree with.
OT always had bad threads and will continue to have bad threads. it's how OT is and im sure Eph is aware of that. it's just that there's been a lack of good shitposters like wojjan, and that's made it feel as if the overall thread quality has decreased, hence this situation. forcing people to make good threads aren't gonna do it. as vipper said, effort does necessarily mean quality and good threads can come with low effort. however, there aren't that many people that can do that among the current OTers.

Railey2 wrote: 6a2u27

A) Everyone gets soda and can decide what soda they like or not. If they don't like a type of soda, they don't have to take it.

Railey2 wrote: 6a2u27

A) Everyone gets soda

Railey2 wrote: 6a2u27

It's clear that we need option A), which is the equivalent of the free market

hmmm :thinking:

well technically you pay for the soda. With the time and energy it takes to read and post in the thread. And the reward for the soda producer is that they get the clicks and comments on their thread, which gives them affirmation.

Well explained. Doesn't mean that people will listen to you though.

Railey2 wrote: 6a2u27

well technically you pay for the soda. With the time and energy it takes to read and post in the thread. And the reward for the soda producer is that they get the clicks and comments on their thread, which gives them affirmation.

So then communism doesn't have anything to do with any of this, and the metaphor should be a free market versus a regulated market. And as glorious as a free market might sound, it won't work when there is virtually no cost to making a post. Now that strikes exist, people can't just spam blatantly retarded threads that have like a single word in the OP and have to actually think just a little bit more about the shitpost they're about to make.

Probably the only actually bad rules are the serious discussion rule, since whether something is serious or semi-serious is completely subjective to the mod and you could be pretending to be serious when you are actually just pretending to be retarded, and the one thread a day rule, but I think this only went up because people were making retarded threads with one word OPs anyway.

It's not as if you're not allowed to shitpost as a reply to a thread either. Shitpost without context has no meaning, anyway.

Hey now I didn't say that it was communism, but you have to agree that more and more regulations make OT more and more communist.

Only the free market can save us

Commuism: a political theory derived from Karl Marx, advocating class war and leading to a society in which all property is publicly owned and each person works and is paid according to their abilities and needs [Google].

:thinking:

the analogue to commuism isn't even free market

You won't be saying that once you live under the rule of our new COMMUNIST overlords.

nice

Citremi wrote: 1n1v4v

So then communism doesn't have anything to do with any of this, and the metaphor should be a free market versus a regulated market. And as glorious as a free market might sound, it won't work when there is virtually no cost to making a post. Now that strikes exist, people can't just spam blatantly retarded threads that have like a single word in the OP and have to actually think just a little bit more about the shitpost they're about to make.

doesn't the "1 thread per day rule" add a cost to making posts, giving them more value and therefore filtering out shitposting?

isn't that the whole point of the rule in the first place



also anyone seeing that comparison as being analogous to Communism is fucking retarded and has no idea what they're talking about lol

This capatilism vs communism thing about thread quality isn't a good analogy. Regardless, arguing what about that is doing us no good.

kai99 wrote: 6o576w

B1rd wrote: 4w393k

then what you need to do is get better s, or encourage existing posters to post better content.

this is what i agree with.
OT always had bad threads and will continue to have bad threads. it's how OT is and im sure Eph is aware of that. it's just that there's been a lack of good shitposters like wojjan, and that's made it feel as if the overall thread quality has decreased, hence this situation. forcing people to make good threads aren't gonna do it. as vipper said, effort does necessarily mean quality and good threads can come with low effort. however, there aren't that many people that can do that among the current OTers.

And odds are that there won't be good shitposters for some time, so quit relying on that idea. I concluded the only way out is to work toward quality as a group. OT!neus proved that it is a successful concept. I was just starting to push you guys to create your own groups like I, Kai, Blitzfrog, and John did so you could come up with something together. The likely possible result of that civil war should have been an "us" vs "them" between different groups who have different ideas on how to promote quality among the usual shitposts. I was actually enjoying the civil war because of that. Instead we got this totalitarian bullshit.

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

And odds are that there won't be good shitposters for some time, so quit relying on that idea.

i know. i just think i've said this on discord and never really said it here so i jsut put it to refute this "OT having only shittreads" thing xd
sorry i dont know what im writing rn because im watching E3

abraker wrote: 6cx2d

I was actually enjoying the civil war because of that. Instead we got this totalitarian bullshit.

lol rip

DaddyCoolVipper wrote: 4p47

doesn't the "1 thread per day rule" add a cost to making posts, giving them more value and therefore filtering out shitposting?

isn't that the whole point of the rule in the first place



also anyone seeing that comparison as being analogous to Communism is fucking retarded and has no idea what they're talking about lol

well yeah, that's the whole point
but when i said cost here i meant like actually money

itt : autism

Citremi wrote: 1n1v4v

So then communism doesn't have anything to do with any of this, and the metaphor should be a free market versus a regulated market. And as glorious as a free market might sound, it won't work when there is virtually no cost to making a post. Now that strikes exist, people can't just spam blatantly retarded threads that have like a single word in the OP and have to actually think just a little bit more about the shitpost they're about to make.

Probably the only actually bad rules are the serious discussion rule, since whether something is serious or semi-serious is completely subjective to the mod and you could be pretending to be serious when you are actually just pretending to be retarded, and the one thread a day rule, but I think this only went up because people were making retarded threads with one word OPs anyway.

It's not as if you're not allowed to shitpost as a reply to a thread either. Shitpost without context has no meaning, anyway.

Lol, I like how you say "the free market won't work" when that's how OT has been running for the majority of its life. You're wrong: every post still cost time and energy to posts, no matter how small, and no one would shitposts if they didn't think they would get approval from their peers. The content is determined by the community, both the consumers and producers. There is no need for any arbitrary rules.

Hey B1rd, can I buy 10 quality from you in exchange for a thread idea?

I think the future is very uncertain, imo OT is an experiment going on.

B1rd wrote: 4w393k

Lol, I like how you say "the free market won't work" when that's how OT has been running for the majority of its life. You're wrong: every post still cost time and energy to posts, no matter how small, and no one would shitposts if they didn't think they would get approval from their peers. The content is determined by the community, both the consumers and producers. There is no need for any arbitrary rules.

Sure, the forum has been under those "free market" rules, but now OT is here.

Active s right here right now are all OT's future. In the end, results will still depend on all of us.

B1rd wrote: 4w393k

no one would shitposts if they didn't think they would get approval from their peers

Imo I don't really think so. My Satire threads and roshan/Yuudachi's alphabet threads are exceptions

DJ Enetro wrote: 6t4y1n

Imo I don't really think so.

Replace "approval" with "attention".

Citremi wrote: 1n1v4v

Sure, the forum has been under those "free market" rules, but now OT is here.

And it needs to go back.

If OT continues as it is, I'm pretty sure people are going to riot

The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants.

B1rd wrote: 4w393k

And it needs to go back.

Even though those free market rules are exactly what brought it here?

Ephemeral brought the rules into effect by his own arbitrary decision, nothing else brought them. And only a couple of people besides him actually want them.

But he's trying to fix what's going on because there were no rules in the first place, which led to this mess that OT is now, right?

Am I misunderstanding something?

It was not the lack of rules that led to OT being in the state it is in, and the state that OT was in wasn't particularly a problem; and certainly, it's in no better state now.

If you want to go to a place with lots of rules, go to General Discussion. It has lots of rules, and its awful because of it. OT was fun precisely because of a lack of rules.

Well, if you don't think it's too much of a problem, then that's fair. But what would you say it was that brought it here at all?

Well OT had a good community a couple of years ago, however a lot of the old left and created their own forum for two reasons: the new forum design (no one likes it), and s coming in randomly and interfering with people's discussion, handing out arbitrary silences, and things like that. Since most of the better posters left, the quality of the subforum inevitably declined.

Oh
Icy