{"content":"\n \n \n Shohei Ohtani\n <\/span>\n \n \n \n \n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Shohei Ohtani<\/span>\n\n \n 2012-03-29T01:54:50+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n eldnl wrote:<\/h4>palion wrote:<\/h4>too subjective<\/blockquote>I can't see the problem with that.<\/blockquote>Two things1) Friends will generally their friends. They could be a huge cheater, and they'll know it, but they'll go \"omg he was nice\" just to get their buddy back2) This make bans follow the Lunah\/Mara\/Gladi\/Whoever Else clause, which means \"Hey, I can do anything that I want to, because I'm popular and my fanbase will give the site hell if I'm banned\"Pretty much, cheaters should be banned. Maybe not perma-banned, but at least banned for a long period of time. None of this \"oh people won't shut up about him so let's not ban him.\" crap. That's what pisses me off every time someone popular gets banned here. They do some stupid crap and everybody sees them as a god because they were so popular, even if an unpopular person did the exact same thing. There's so much damned leniency that it just makes the entire mod team lose its authority.I don't generally criticize people this forwardly, maybe it's because I'm in the worst of moods today, but gaah, seriously, if you really feel the need to cheat after making yourself an established member of the community, then there's consequences. Nixon didn't get his ass popular'd into office after Watergate and stuff. Nobody went \"Oh, he's a nice guy, he's done so much for the country! Let's give him a second chance!\"For every action, there's a consequence. I've been banned from so many places, and I know that if I'm doing stupid stuff, then I'll get a punishment. Hell, within the year, I'll probably get banned from here. But I won't be pissed about it, as long as I know why I was banned, because I'll know that I'm just getting the consequence that comes with doing a misdemeanor. I don't have the popular crap behind me, because most of the people in power pretty much hate me and aren't afraid to it it, so maybe I'm \"biased\" in a sense. But I was great friends with a lot of people who got banned. I wasn't mad, or angered, because I knew that, I apologize for the cliche, if you can't pay the time, then don't do the crime.I didn't even read what the thread was about, so I may look completely stupid right now.So yeah, although I'm not like \"PERMA-BAN ALL THE \", because I know that people do turn around, and people sometimes make misguided mistakes, there should still be some sort of punishment that is more then just a few days, especially for popular people that get banned. If you're going to ban them for a year, then they should be banned for a year. I've had year-long bans before, and you know what I did? I took it like a man. I ed some other places and waited until my ban was over, then improved myself to not be such a dumbass next time..-.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n Wishy<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 2,972 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed September 2010<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Wishy<\/a>\n\n \n 2012-03-29T02:28:36+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Shut up you are an idiot you should be banned ok? :S :S XD XD<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n xsrsbsns<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 1,935 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed July 2010<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n xsrsbsns<\/a>\n\n \n 2012-03-29T03:45:56+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n eldnl wrote:<\/h4>Ask to the comunity (people who know him) if they are really nice guys and deserve a second chance. But for totally shameless guys must be a permanent BAN.<\/blockquote>\"Really nice guys\" don't cheat.And usually anyone who cheats is already aware of the consequences, but just want to risk in hopes of not getting caught (or asking for second chance if they are eventually found out).That said, I don't particularly care what happens to their s, as long as their hacked plays\/scores are removed from the scoreboard and they don't cheat again. But a permaban sounds better.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n deadbeat<\/a>\n\n \n osu! Alumni\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 9,218 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed June 2009<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n deadbeat<\/a>\n\n \n 2012-03-29T04:10:34+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n i'd say the 3rd option. the risk of banning doesn't seem to be stopping the numbers. neither does giving second chances. the 3rd seems ok though since it lets them play, but removes the need to cheat in the first place<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n Taiko_old\n <\/span>\n \n \n \n \n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Taiko_old<\/span>\n\n \n 2012-03-29T04:52:11+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n HD+FL on taiko with a dual screen makes me weep so much... Yet it's not cheating, I'd rather we fix this thing as well D:<\/span>2nd chance or permaban ftw<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n ampzz\n <\/span>\n \n \n \n \n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n ampzz<\/span>\n\n \n 2012-03-29T05:16:56+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Score reset, disable submission, but leave access is the only logical and viable option to compensate for the sheer lack of effect any IP ban as they are useless for ISPs that don't give out static IP addresses or people by them with a proxy.Second chance could technically come after a grace period of n<\/em> time as an added bonus to those who have decided to be both beneficial to the community (in the form of modding maps or just generally good forum behaviour) and come to with their length of time being forbidden from score submissions which means they have learnt from their previous mistake.If they do it again there is no more chances and their is permanently blacklisted from another opportunity to become a regular again.^ This helps to cover quite a few areas in this option. ^<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n peppy<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 19,323 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n Here since the beginning<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Topic Starter\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n \n peppy<\/a>\n\n \n 2012-03-29T05:35:38+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n To me, being beneficial to the community doesn't make any difference if they are doing harm secretly. Instant negation of any positive in my eyes.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n Deleted_910779\n <\/span>\n \n \n \n \n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Deleted_910779<\/span>\n\n \n 2012-03-29T07:24:55+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n .<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n Last edited by Deleted_910779<\/span> 2013-08-26T13:32:40+00:00<\/time>, edited 1 time in total.\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n Vish024<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 2,640 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed December 2010<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Vish024<\/a>\n\n \n 2012-03-29T08:08:34+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Disable submission surely, and it'll send a message to any other potential cheaters in the community.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Show me a perfect community and I'll show you a pig that can fly.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n kriers<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 1,963 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed April 2010<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n kriers<\/a>\n\n \n 2012-03-29T16:19:54+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n peppy wrote:<\/h4>To me, being beneficial to the community doesn't make any difference if they are doing harm secretly. Instant negation of any positive in my eyes.<\/blockquote><\/span>SPOILER<\/a><\/div><\/div>ontopic: I think the only option is to permanently ban the player. The other two options seem almost rewarding, especially consideringthose players who'd like a score reset in order to improve statistics.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n Waryas\n <\/span>\n \n \n \n \n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Waryas<\/span>\n\n \n 2012-03-29T16:29:38+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Most people have a dynamic ip on multiple 255.255.0.0 range (65535*X ips), so it's useless to ban by IPs.People with static IPs can get a new one by changing their router mac and forcing the dh server of their isp of giving them a new one.Banning MAC? byed in 2s. Banning some sort of hardware GUID? byed in 2s.There is no by-proof way to ban and if someone is smart enough to cheat on osu i think he's smart enough to by a ban.3rd option is the best choice.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n ziin<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 2,632 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed January 2010<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n ziin<\/a>\n\n \n 2012-03-29T17:16:29+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Soly wrote:<\/h4>peppy wrote:<\/h4>To me, being beneficial to the community doesn't make any difference if they are doing harm secretly. Instant negation of any positive in my eyes.<\/blockquote>Exactly, it's like your wife cheating on you.<\/blockquote>then you lock her up in the basement and never let her see another man.The problem is that you can kick out the wife, but she always comes back, and always looks different, and you have to accept her back.Unless you lock her up.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n It's only gay if the sliders touch.My page\/links to my guides<\/a><\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n Sinistro<\/a>\n\n \n osu! Alumni\n <\/div>\n \n \n 13b64