{"content":"\n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n Blushing<\/a>\n\n \n Technical Team\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 3,226 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed February 2015<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Blushing<\/a>\n\n \n 2024-04-08T04:12:34+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n the main issue is that people still see value in denizenship. <\/span>My Rant About it<\/a>The change needs to more proactive approach to adding people that meet the \"requirements\" or whatever you want to call it. Currently there are like 6(?) dwellers that post and everyone else is denizen, and even less of them care about whatever you government officials are cooking. ===============As for changes that affect the ENTIRETY of OT, it should ask all constituents rather than just the \"government\", the government is in, itself, heavily biased and does not represent the whole of OT and those who post. I can already feel the next question, \"Well why would I care about what a 0 post player cares about OT?\". Ok why do you care what a denizen who has no \"good\" posts, broke multiple rules\/laws, is generally not able to understand past their own hubris, etc.===============if you want people to give a damn about what you are doing then add more people to denizen, make denizen mean something other than \"status\"-locked voting that is easily riggable or is completely just a popularity contest... Like IDK: Anonymous voting where only their campaigns are visible and not the name, because being biased is being biased (this is something america should implement).<\/div><\/div><\/span>Addressing Manishh<\/a>1. electing denizenship is the only thing a government does? Ok you are the government... do something other than that lol? You guys are the deciders of what you can do. be the change? Idk, very reductive and very american politician (I say all of these things, then nothing is done because I now have the position and will never be impeached)2. An entire voting of everyone voting for the denizens seems like a good idea. You guys forget that making a post as an official body or through the GMT can and should be done when announcing official change or something like that. I literally dont understand why its a vote of a few people, but the rest of the OT world is unable to put their own opinion (except for when it comes to removing them... apparently). 3. OK THEN STOP BEING LAZY AND MAKE THE GUIDELINES, YOU WANTED THIS POSITION STOP BEING LAZY!4. Again, criteria for denizenship is hardly objective. So much so that the current president has an entire thread for such a thing, and is actively wanting to change the current system. Voters in other democratic processes don't always know what the person is going for and they are only voting because they like the campaign or because they like the person in general. Being a denizen does nothing ed getting to vote in elections and being able to run, which can be changed on the whim from the president, so idk why it matters.5. Stop holding a title with no meaning to a higher standard just because you met a post count in a year. <\/div><\/div><\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n Patatitta<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 1,329 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed February 2020<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Topic Starter\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n \n Patatitta<\/a>\n\n \n 2024-04-08T06:41:35+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n while I disagree with manishh in the fact that the gov does more things other than adding denizens (manishh should know, they are in the gov and done things other than adding denizens), it's true that pushing actual changes to denizen under that system would be a fucking nightmarealso about what blushing said about denizen, you just REALLY want denizenanyways, let's not talk too much about the actual gov structure and talk about denizen itself since that is the thing I asked<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/a> <\/a> <\/a>Discord de CTB Espa\u00f1a<\/a><\/em> | OT!eras<\/a><\/em> | Patatitta's analysis corner<\/a><\/em><\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n Manishh<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 2,093 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed October 2020<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Manishh<\/a>\n\n \n 2024-04-08T07:09:21+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/span>My response<\/a>My first point was a joke guys, come on do I have to put \/jYmir wrote:<\/h4>Manishh wrote:<\/h4><\/span><\/a>Ymir wrote:<\/h4>Patatitta wrote:<\/h4>Ymir wrote:<\/h4>Not saying that I want this, but I have thought several times about a reality where the parliament doesn't choose Denizenship, but previous Denizens and the community do.Usually I stop thinking about it because I have no idea how this would work.<\/blockquote>I mean the government is all denizens and i'm asking the community so idk what do you mean by that<\/blockquote>Well it's still only the government who makes Denizens, I meant people outside the government have their say on each Denizen too, as opposed to a body of like 4 people.It's one of the only ways we could make Denizenship free from Drama. Just throwing the idea out there, I'm personally fine with the current method though.<\/blockquote>A lot of issues with this idea.1: electing denizenship is the only thing a government do, you are stealing there job2: Very slow and long process. This is like adding paper work in OT! Waiting for approval of everyone.3: will need to create its own guidelines. Ex a guy won by just couple votes should be consider denizen or not4: will lead to inconsistency since a government will announce if there rules or views has change for denizen but public will not do that. You don't know if the criteria for denizenship is even being considered by the voter.<\/div><\/div><\/blockquote>Hence why I never pushed for a complete democracy system anyway. But if reducing inconsistency and drama is something we are aiming for, then community voice should be considered in some way.As for stealing your job, that's funny.<\/blockquote>I dont see a reason why it will reduce inconsistency, though I get your point. But in my experience, whenever there have been public talk about denizenship, nothing useful has came out of it and nor will there ever be. When it comes to discussion, everyone is a brick wall, even me.Blushing wrote:<\/h4>the main issue is that people still see value in denizenship. <\/span>Addressing Manishh<\/a>1. electing denizenship is the only thing a government does? Ok you are the government... do something other than that lol? You guys are the deciders of what you can do. be the change? Idk, very reductive and very american politician (I say all of these things, then nothing is done because I now have the position and will never be impeached)2. An entire voting of everyone voting for the denizens seems like a good idea. You guys forget that making a post as an official body or through the GMT can and should be done when announcing official change or something like that. I literally dont understand why its a vote of a few people, but the rest of the OT world is unable to put their own opinion (except for when it comes to removing them... apparently). 3. OK THEN STOP BEING LAZY AND MAKE THE GUIDELINES, YOU WANTED THIS POSITION STOP BEING LAZY!4. Again, criteria for denizenship is hardly objective. So much so that the current president has an entire thread for such a thing, and is actively wanting to change the current system. Voters in other democratic processes don't always know what the person is going for and they are only voting because they like the campaign or because they like the person in general. Being a denizen does nothing ed getting to vote in elections and being able to run, which can be changed on the whim from the president, so idk why it matters.5. Stop holding a title with no meaning to a higher standard just because you met a post count in a year. <\/div><\/div><\/blockquote>1: It was a joke2: I already stated the cons, the 'few people' are elected by the 'many people' and why is that? It is so actual things happen rather than trying to satisfy every person. And get over it, you didnt even meet the requirement in the first place..3: The cons are greater than pros, its waste of time in making guideline for such a thing4: Denizenship was never made to give power, it was a hall of fame, A way of preserving history. It has a value for me, maybe not for you.5: Why are you even talking about it when you dont see any meaning in it?<\/div><\/div>\"Government should listen to the community\"I dont see a single proposal<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n Blushing<\/a>\n\n \n Technical Team\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 3,226 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed February 2015<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Blushing<\/a>\n\n \n 2024-04-08T22:52:30+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Manishh wrote:<\/h4>1: It was a joke2: I already stated the cons, the 'few people' are elected by the 'many people' and why is that? It is so actual things happen rather than trying to satisfy every person. And get over it, you didnt even meet the requirement in the first place..3: The cons are greater than pros, its waste of time in making guideline for such a thing4: Denizenship was never made to give power, it was a hall of fame, A way of preserving history. It has a value for me, maybe not for you.5: Why are you even talking about it when you dont see any meaning in it?\"Government should listen to the community\"I dont see a single proposal<\/blockquote>A majority of the actives in the subforum simply dont care what happens to OT because not much changes and probably won't. To continue to address this: 1. joke statement 2. This is when governments then start to do this fun and cool thing called cabinets. Cabinets can help aid the central circle of governments without having to interfere with the main stuff, like policy changes and such. Maybe OT government should delegate certain tasks to people not already holding a position. This might help the feeling that you can't add everyone in the backlog vs. wanting to add those who deserve it.3. Actually kind of hilarious saying that something is too much work so it will never get done. Creating guidelines and creating statutes so that processes are slow and annoying in the beginning are then easily done in the later lifetime of the government. 4. If it is simply hall of fame type stuff then why are some things locked behind it? There is \"inherit\" worth in the title, it would help with the misconception of it being about \"elevating\" someone to a higher prestige and instead could cement that it is simply an award for being recognizable within the community. 5. Because beside me and like 5 other people there is no one caring enough about it. So someone has to.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n Patatitta<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 1,329 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed February 2020<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Topic Starter\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n \n Patatitta<\/a>\n\n \n 2024-04-21T13:26:02+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n uhhh so manishh quitted the parliament and we were only 3 people in parliament (excluding gmts) so we decided to add the next two parliament that recieved the most votes to replace manishh and also get 5, so yeah, welcome hydreigon and blushing to the parliament (lol) also kobold said that apparently I can still say the oath and I would have solved every single charge against me so will say it (didn't say it earlier because I thought I had missed my shot lol)I solemnly swear that I will rightfully execute the Office of President of OT, and will to the best of my ability, preserve, protect and defend the OTConstitution<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/a> <\/a> <\/a>Discord de CTB Espa\u00f1a<\/a><\/em> | OT!eras<\/a><\/em> | Patatitta's analysis corner<\/a><\/em><\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n Reyalp51<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 971 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed April 2021<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Reyalp51<\/a>\n\n \n 2024-04-21T13:28:56+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n chat he said the thing are we good now<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n spin<\/strong><\/center><\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n Lapizote<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 121 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed January 2016<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Lapizote<\/a>\n\n \n 2024-04-21T13:31:25+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n another layer added to the parliament drama lore<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Q: \"Last book that made you cry\"A: \"University Physics with Modern Physics 15th Edition by Hugh D. Young, Roger A. Freedman\"<\/del>A: \"Mathematical Methods for Students of Physics and Related Fields 2nd Edition by Sadri Hassani\"<\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n Hydreigon<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 274 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed February 2020<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Hydreigon<\/a>\n\n \n 2024-04-21T13:33:35+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n hi<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n 333oy