{"content":"\n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n Chromate<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 100 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed October 2019<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Chromate<\/a>\n\n \n 2021-10-24T03:04:01+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n opinionI want Shoshinsha to be standard+I also think we must have separate diff rcs for beginner diffs and therefore need to adjust all other diff rcs but thats another topic for another day(first opinion is minor)<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n Last edited by Chromate<\/a> 2021-10-24T03:04:45+00:00<\/time>, edited 1 time in total.\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n Nifty<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 898 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed September 2014<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Nifty<\/a>\n\n \n 2021-10-24T03:10:46+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n I like the idea of making shokyuu merely a part of the kantan RC instead of making it a separate thing so that new mappers dont think shokyuu is necessary for a spread.Considering the issue of shokyuu being added to sets that don't need them, it isn't an issue at all. Nobody bats an eye at a map having 3 insane difficulties and it's basically the same thing, and there are entire sets that could be considered too easy given their extremely low level of difficulty that people don't really care about. At the end of the day, whether these things are ranked or not is up to the BNs, putting anything in the RC against them would seem unfair.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n ikin5050<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 587 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed February 2014<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n ikin5050<\/a>\n\n \n 2021-10-24T03:11:23+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Simply saying harsher versions of kantan guidelines won't cut it. if beginner diffs are to be officially recognized and moderated they should have their own section in rc<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n radar<\/a>\n\n \n Nomination Assessment Team\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 293 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed September 2015<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Topic Starter\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n \n radar<\/a>\n\n \n 2021-10-24T03:29:38+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n ikin5050 wrote:<\/h4>Simply saying harsher versions of kantan guidelines won't cut it. if beginner diffs are to be officially recognized and moderated they should have their own section in rc<\/blockquote>I'd say its in the middle ground, I don't think they should be moderated any more than they are now (except for the naming of the difficulty). That bit would more be a guideline of when\/how you can go about creating one to help well, guide peopleNifty wrote:<\/h4>I like the idea of making shokyuu merely a part of the kantan RC instead of making it a separate thing so that new mappers dont think shokyuu is necessary for a spread.Considering the issue of shokyuu being added to sets that don't need them, it isn't an issue at all. Nobody bats an eye at a map having 3 insane difficulties and it's basically the same thing, and there are entire sets that could be considered too easy given their extremely low level of difficulty that people don't really care about. At the end of the day, whether these things are ranked or not is up to the BNs, putting anything in the RC against them would seem unfair.<\/blockquote>Thats fair! Though I still think the few lines I wrote don't particularly work against<\/em> shokyuu diffs, especially since these would be guidelines and therefore able to be byed with sufficient reasoning<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n (\u0e51<\/span>\u02c3\u1d17\u02c2)\ufeed<\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n Nao Tomori<\/a>\n\n \n osu! Alumni\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 3,078 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed December 2014<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Nao Tomori<\/a>\n\n \n 2021-10-24T05:01:50+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n Shoshinsha dumb shokyuu basedBeginner diffs are stupid and shouldn't exist, don't need to regulate them<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n Capu<\/a>\n\n \n osu! Alumni\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 351 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed March 2013<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Capu<\/a>\n\n \n 2021-10-24T07:08:16+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n 1. Shokyuu2. I think we should give Shokyuu diffs their own rules and guidelines to follow. Otherwise there will be inconsistencies and I feel like it would be easier for everyone to not leave things too open.Ideas<\/em> would be:(Around 180bpm ofc)Rules<\/strong>Patterns faster than 1\/1 must not be used<\/li>No idea about the swing part<\/li><\/ol>Guidelines<\/strong>1\/1 patterns should not be longer than 5 notes<\/li>Main snapping should consist of mostly 4\/1 or slower, 2\/1 or 1\/1 can be used occasionally<\/li>There should be at least 1\/1 distance between a spinner and its preceding note<\/li>Rest moment should stay the same as for a Kantan imo<\/li>Slider Velocity changes may not be used (?) Only exception is for BPM changes<\/li><\/ol>Overall Difficulty should be 3 or less<\/li>HP should be 7 or more<\/li><\/ol>Those are just general ideas, I just think it would help to include it properly with its own rules. \"If a Shokyuu is used as the lowest difficulty [...]\"<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n Arach<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 143 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed June 2016<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Arach<\/a>\n\n \n 2021-10-24T08:51:17+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n First, yes, finally it's time to do something for them.Then yeah Shokyuu definitely seems to be more appropriate for me too.For what concerns the usage of Shokyuu diff, I honestly agree with what Nifty said: it's not an issue if people add them to their sets, as long as it's mapped correctly and with consciousness.Also I think that including it into Kantan's guideline would be a step forward for sure but1. One day it will not be enough anymore and a full regulations is still going to be needed so another proposal should be rise and I think that it's worth doing things with completeness since the beginning starting already with the full regulation2. It would become quite confusionary for those who are not really into mapping yet to see that only taiko mode and only Kantans have something regarding another difficulty in the regulations (because at this point for completeness and consistency it should be considered also to add for example \"guidelines for Lite Oni\" in Oni's regulations and I do not think that they have to be treated the same way, Shokyuu diffs actually need their own space while Lite Onis don't need that kind of regardings at all in my opinion). Shokyuu shouldn't be considered as a \"Lite Kantan\", but as a difficulty on it's own.Regarding practical opinions about possible regulations, I think that your concern that separating Shokyuu from Kantan's guidelines would cause people to think it's mandatory for a set can actually be fixed like this:Shokyuu<\/span><\/strong>This difficulty has beginner players as a target and it is not mandatory for the building of a spread (totally facultative).Rules<\/strong>[Insert snapping rules here (I like Capu's proposal about them)]\u2022 Shokyuu cannot be added to a set without the presence of a Kantan difficulty beforehand.Guidelines<\/strong>\u2022 You can consider to add this difficulty to your set in a circumstance in which your mapset is overall more difficult due for example to either a more dense\/higher BPM map.\u2022 You can consider to add this diff to your set if your Kantan is on the edge of its guidelines to provide an easier approach to the song.[Other snapping, od, sv guidelines...]<\/div>In my opinion this can be a nice solution to be discussed and eventually improved.(Sorry for bad wording I just woke up)<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n Roger<\/a>\n\n \n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 194 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed April 2012<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Roger<\/a>\n\n \n 2021-10-24T12:14:59+00:00<\/time>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n I don't think it needs to be regulated. It had been proposed similarly before in here<\/a>.It's up for the BN to judge whether beginner difficulty is necessary\/fit in the map spread or only as difficulty bloat.I do agree it would be better for consistent naming usage of beginner difficulty in taiko as currently it is unnecessarily many different naming. It would be weird though for this to be added to wiki diffnaming since other modes don't include them.<\/div>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n Last edited by Roger<\/a> 2021-10-24T12:19:41+00:00<\/time>, edited 2 times in total.\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n radar<\/a>\n\n \n Nomination Assessment Team\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/a>\n\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n <\/span>\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n \n \n \n 293 posts\n <\/a>\n <\/div>\n\n \n ed September 2015<\/strong>\n <\/div>\n <\/div>\n\n \n \n \n \n \n Topic Starter\n <\/span>\n <\/div>\n \n \n 3i5do